Brenda
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Post by Brenda on Nov 5, 2007 21:27:03 GMT -5
seems we have a ton of threads about this-- one tacked at the top-- is there any question these are sick individuals?
Should they not be reported immediately to the authorities??
What is the question?
The workers are not speakers for Gods purpose.
I understand the person that asked about things that had happened and the time had expired but after that-- I DONT understand anyone knowing about child molestation and not reporting it to the authorites-- to me if you do that you are about as bad as the molester themselves.
My rant for the night.........
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Post by aussiegal on Nov 5, 2007 21:31:34 GMT -5
Totally 100% agree with you.
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Post by 2x2 IDIOTICs on Nov 5, 2007 22:25:19 GMT -5
HOLD YER HORSES THERE LITTLE ONE!!!!! BJ-----You are absolutely right-----REPORT TO PROPER AUTHORITIES!!!!! 2x2's report to workers, and we all know what happens pertaining to that. 2x2's have become an open forum and an open catalogue to any and all sexual predators, pedophiles, etc., etc., etc.,.....Ask yourself this question-----as far as 2x2s are concerned, WHO HOLDS 2x2's ACCOUNTABLE? ???They PRIDE theirselves on not being held ACCOUNTABLE because they are right. So there you have it, and you are the one that is insane!!!!! Oh, I forgot I am crazy too, and I am wondering what I just wrote?
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Post by matia on Nov 6, 2007 1:56:36 GMT -5
2x2
Well spoken
BJ You talk a lot of rubbish Perhaps if BJ had this happen to him or his family it may be different Perhaps that saying sais ( you can forgive , but unwise to forget) thats all
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Post by Brenda on Nov 6, 2007 7:04:04 GMT -5
I dont get this comment-- I am saying I dont understand not telling the authorities and by authorites I mean the police-- not the workers-- what is rubbish about that???
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Post by Peacemaker on Nov 6, 2007 8:15:22 GMT -5
I dont get this comment-- I am saying I dont understand not telling the authorities and by authorites I mean the police-- not the workers-- what is rubbish about that??? Don't worry about the comment, BJ. Those who have gone through this nasty experience justifiably feel molested and betrayed by those who were in positions of moral authority and and responsibility who failed to act responsibly in protecting the victims. This is a very sensitive issue and the effects on the victims can be long-lasting to the point where some might even become a little paranoid about it and justifiably so. People who commit serious crimes (and sexual crimes against children , and adults, are very serious indeed) should be brought to justice; and justice must not only be done, but must be seen to be done. God would have it no other way, IMO. Let us face it, workers and adults must know that this kind of behaviour is not only morally wrong but is against the laws of the land. It is conceivable that some offenders/abusers may be mentally ill of suffers with some form of deminished responsibilities; if that is the case then they should be reported to the proper relevant authorities who would then ensure that proper corrective treatment is administered to the offenders/abusers. Cover-ups in not the answer in such cases, and I speak from my heart on this one. To all victims and your families I sincerely offer you my sympathy and I pray that almighty God will bring comfort and ease to your anguished minds and bodies. May God bless you all.
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Post by Feelings on Nov 7, 2007 12:40:05 GMT -5
This brings up a lot of issues because although it might be a worker who has been the abuser it is, and always will be, the responsibility of the parents to keep their children safe.
When parents fail to do this, for whatever reason, the children have, to say the least, mixed feelings about the people they are supposed to trust.
I see post after post asking why the workers don't do something in regards to this problem.
My question is why the parents don't do something other than report the crime to, what is at best, a normal citizen.
It seems that the anger is somewhat misplaced. The parents fail to protect their children or report a criminal and the workers are blamed.
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Post by matia on Nov 7, 2007 19:33:18 GMT -5
The reason why the workers are not reported , is because they want to keep it a SECRET SECT
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Post by sin on Nov 7, 2007 19:48:24 GMT -5
I am currently boarding a native american couple, until they can obtain a voucher for housing assistance based on their income level. I asked 'Karla' how the natives dealt with ''abuse'' on the reservation.. Her answer was that 90% of the natives have been abused, and most frequently it is by close relatives... Basically she said that if they were to implement a cross-the -board plan, and treat all offenders the same....over half the tribe would be incarcinated..... I think what we have here is a very deep human problem, much like the alchohol problems, such that we know it is out of control, but are helpless to know how to deal with it! It is sad, indeed........obviously I wanted to comfort 'Karla' ..and I said that 'forgiveness' on the part of the abused, can help the offence....what to do with the offenders ....is to educate all of them of the horrible offence they have commited, obviously without true repentance this is vain... what to do....start a new race of people? ? that do NOT sin in any way shape or form!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by quest on Nov 7, 2007 20:14:13 GMT -5
If we knew the problems they have on the reservations , we would all cry, yet what good would the crying do, IT is OUT of control PERIOD.... You can believe it or not, but that is why natives for the most part, look the other way, sweep it under the rug, because everyone knows it happens and it is not going to stop until there is an education that 'immorality' is wrong... Yes, the immorality that we see paraded on soap operas, and film and movie industry is wrong, and natives should stop watching it, or they will get their innocent native minds corrupted like white peoples.
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Post by answers on Nov 7, 2007 20:39:43 GMT -5
If we knew the problems they have on the reservations , we would all cry, yet what good would the crying do, IT is OUT of control PERIOD.... You can believe it or not, but that is why natives for the most part, look the other way, sweep it under the rug, because
everyone knows it happens and it is not going to stop until there is an education that 'immorality' is wrong...
Yes, the immorality that we see paraded on soap operas, and film and movie industry is wrong, and natives should stop watching it, or they will get their innocent native minds corrupted like white peoples. any answers?alchoholics have AA meetings to educate them, is their to be a recovering abuser group for the natives? Maybe all mankind would be benifitted by such a program.
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Post by Brenda on Nov 7, 2007 20:59:58 GMT -5
Some of these replies are seem so nonchanlant about child sexual abuse-- I regret starting this thread--
To me is it black and white-- if there is an abuser they get reported to the police-- - if it were my kid I would be front in line to the police) if someone tries to cover it up-- then they get reported to the police-- end of story--
dont get any middle ground.......
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Post by eyedeetentee on Nov 7, 2007 21:50:38 GMT -5
I agree. Anything we see as immoral should be eliminated immediately. All homosexual activity should be reported. All liars should be reported. All gossips should be reported. All adultery should be reported. All excessive drinking should be reported. All sinners should be reported. When they've all been reported, we should burn them at the stake. Go Phelps! Go Phelps! Go Phelps!
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Post by juliette on Nov 7, 2007 22:36:14 GMT -5
The big question for me is what is wrong in a system where parents do not report sexual abuse of their children. I think we can all agree that the abuse should be reported by the parents.... but why has this not been done in the past, and why is it still not being done?
In the MN case, the head worker advised the parents not to call the authorities because it would be better for the abuser (worker) if he turned himself in. So the parents did not call the authorities. 5 days later, another family member did. So the parents are at fault.. but what could be occurring in these circumstances that would circumvent the natural and God given desire of parents to advocate for their children at all costs. Also, the workers are definitely not off the hook. If you know about child abuse, you have a moral imperative to report it. Just think... if you had an an employee who molested a child, and for some reason the parents didn't report it, would you just sit back, or maybe transfer the employee to a different state?!
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Post by ooT on Nov 7, 2007 23:50:48 GMT -5
Non-reporting is certainly not unique to the f&w fellowship. Many children in society as a whole do not have their abuse reported. That phenomenon is changing... and we see the change is also coming in the fellowship.
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Post by been on Nov 8, 2007 12:27:45 GMT -5
If we knew the problems they have on the reservations , we would all cry, yet what good would the crying do, IT is OUT of control PERIOD.... You can believe it or not, but that is why natives for the most part, look the other way, sweep it under the rug, because
everyone knows it happens and it is not going to stop until there is an education that 'immorality' is wrong...
Yes, the immorality that we see paraded on soap operas, and film and movie industry is wrong, and natives should stop watching it, or they will get their innocent native minds corrupted like white peoples. [ is their to be a recovering abuser group for the natives? Maybe all mankind would be benifitted by such a program. call it sinners Anonymous, eh? .
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Post by seeking on Nov 8, 2007 13:40:31 GMT -5
i'm sorry. i didn't know this was a catholic site. i was looking for something from God to help me choose correctly in my choices in this evil day and age of corruption, but i guess as with any other religion, most of the talk is about child molesters.
there must be other posts but the molester's push them off the page, eh ? oh well, maybe it would be good to say what these people did... did they pull a little boys pants down? butt rape the anyname twins ? did they get raped in prison? hope so... lets talk more on this.... i was just going to talk about local politics, but i guess this is better. always good to know as much as possible about this, and if we already know, then just the thrill of repeating it over and over until we can catch them in the act. then we can hope that it gets covered up.... a good media cover up just isn't as interesting as talking about covering up the story about chester the molester....
anyone posting on anything else just is not hip to what is important, and that is child molestation message boards, where other talk is just secular, and not godly.
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Post by love thy neighbor seinfeld on Nov 8, 2007 13:48:14 GMT -5
i'm sorry. i didn't know this was a catholic site. i was looking for something from God to help me choose correctly in my choices in this evil day and age of corruption, but i guess as with any other religion, most of the talk is about child molesters. there must be other posts but the molester's push them off the page, eh ? oh well, maybe it would be good to say what these people did... did they pull a little boys pants down? butt rape the anyname twins ? did they get raped in prison? hope so... lets talk more on this.... i was just going to talk about local politics, but i guess this is better. always good to know as much as possible about this, and if we already know, then just the thrill of repeating it over and over until we can catch them in the act. then we can hope that it gets covered up.... a good media cover up just isn't as interesting as talking about covering up the story about chester the molester.... anyone posting on anything else just is not hip to what is important, and that is child molestation message boards, where other talk is just secular, and not godly. maybe cassie kramer of the san diego police can help you. she is a detective in child protective services. maybe she can get you some new stories to share around the camp fire. maybe she is reading this right now, and logging IPs. maybe the talk here should be on politics, and maybe she was just starting to enjoy the ron paul clips. and maybe there can even be a story about the day that you were called in for questioning.
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Post by kreamer on Nov 8, 2007 13:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by ban all sinners on Nov 8, 2007 15:18:56 GMT -5
453] If we knew the problems they have on the reservations , we would all cry, yet what good would the crying do, IT is OUT of control PERIOD.... You can believe it or not, but that is why natives for the most part, look the other way, sweep it under the rug, because everyone knows it happens and it is not going to stop until there is an education that 'immorality' is wrong... Yes, the immorality that we see paraded on soap operas, and film and movie industry is wrong, and natives should stop watching it, or they will get their innocent native minds corrupted like white peoples.
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Post by bump on Nov 14, 2007 10:19:11 GMT -5
bump
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Post by calmrainydaze on Nov 14, 2007 10:27:11 GMT -5
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