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Post by nitro on Jun 17, 2006 18:59:02 GMT -5
THE CONVENTIONS . Great meetings, or conventions as they were called, were held between 1908-’10 at Crocknacrieve, near Ballinamallard, the home of the late Mr. John West, and crowds of several thousand people travelled to hear the speakers. The conventions lasted for weeks and elaborate arrangements were made to provide meals and to accommodate those who stayed over-night. Teams of workers looked after the cooking, the transport, the sleeping accommodation and there was even a barber’s shop. Everything was done voluntarily. . The ‘Pilgrims’ dressed sombrely, the women mostly in black, and were strictly segregated from the men. Many of the men wore beards.
Times have changed somethings. I remember getting told to get on the men's side of the eating tent and not to come to the womens side. I was looking for my mom. But as you would know all looked so much alike . Just maybe things will keep changing for the better and see strict rules don't always work.
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Post by lilwolfmisty on Jun 17, 2006 21:24:41 GMT -5
Nitro I have heard about some positive changes in some workers thinking. I pray that my friends and family that are still in the truth just follow God and not workers. Nitro you must be really old, cuz I am pushing 40 and I don't remember ever being segregated at any convention by sex and neither does my mom who is in her early 60's. For myself no matter where I am led to worship I just want to make sure that I am listening to God and following what he says instead of what man says. I agree the more legalistic you are with the rules the more they dont' work and that applies to parents, churches and in marriage even. I don't think that God is a punishing father but he instead is an understanding father with SIMPLE, straightforward rules and lots of love and I am so thankful for that
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2006 21:35:22 GMT -5
I saw segregation by sex in Alabama in the early 1970s so a person would not have to be ancient to remember it
You just have to be in the right place I guess.
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Post by jxr on Jun 18, 2006 5:35:19 GMT -5
Conventions are still segregated by sex. Those who don't have it, sit up the front. Those who do, sit anywhere else.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 18, 2006 7:51:24 GMT -5
I dont know of many churches except my organization that does this but our churches still seperate the women on one side of the church and the men on the other to pray.
Now as far as sitting in the service we all sit wherever we want
Is it biblical or necessary?? Not that I know of but it is a preference and no harm done in it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2006 8:04:10 GMT -5
It was a hassle, as I recall. Not only the meeting tent, but also the eating tent were sex segregated, which meant that the daddys were supposed to be responsible for their sons at meal time. Unfortunately, not all dads were good at doing meal time with their kiddies, a lot of small sons seemed to miss their mommies very much. Although it may have given some moms a bit of relief! Seems like families generally hated it.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 18, 2006 9:03:39 GMT -5
It was a hassle, as I recall. Not only the meeting tent, but also the eating tent were sex segregated, which meant that the daddys were supposed to be responsible for their sons at meal time. Unfortunately, not all dads were good at doing meal time with their kiddies, a lot of small sons seemed to miss their mommies very much. Although it may have given some moms a bit of relief! Seems like families generally hated it. Big deal, our school assemblies were sex segregated.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 18, 2006 9:11:44 GMT -5
Big deal, our school assemblies were sex segregated. Well, that's the point, teenager. The workers' friends (and likely other church people at some time) were treated as if they were kids that might not (can not?) control their behavior so they need to be segragted by gender.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 18, 2006 9:40:16 GMT -5
Big deal, our school assemblies were sex segregated. Well, that's the point, teenager. The workers' friends (and likely other church people at some time) were treated as if they were kids that might not (can not?) control their behavior so they need to be segragted by gender. Some of these were adults. Aged 18. Im not supporting sex segregation, however if you consider society at the time, im sure it was fairly normal.
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Post by nitro on Jun 18, 2006 10:08:04 GMT -5
[ Some of these were adults. Aged 18. I'm not supporting sex segregation, however if you consider society at the time, I'm sure it was fairly normal. So at this time normal is wearing a dress in cold freezing winters or fall days because thats par for the religions unwritten rule go figure.
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 18, 2006 10:16:32 GMT -5
[ Some of these were adults. Aged 18. I'm not supporting sex segregation, however if you consider society at the time, I'm sure it was fairly normal. So at this time normal is wearing a dress in cold freezing winters or fall days because thats par for the religions unwritten rule go figure. Many schools over here it is compulsary for girls to wear a skirt all year, rain, hail or snow.
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Post by junia on Jun 18, 2006 10:21:26 GMT -5
Many schools over here it is compulsary for girls to wear a skirt all year, rain, hail or snow. Yes, and men will wear their jacket and tie to clean out the barn in Ireland too. No wonder the f&w have so many silly rules and traditions...blame it on the Irish!
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 18, 2006 10:25:47 GMT -5
Many schools over here it is compulsary for girls to wear a skirt all year, rain, hail or snow. Yes, and men will wear their jacket and tie to clean out the barn in Ireland too. No wonder the f&w have so many silly rules and traditions...blame it on the Irish! It is true, many older men do wear a shirt and tie when doing their farming, going to cattle sales etc.
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Post by nitro on Jun 18, 2006 10:26:13 GMT -5
Drink Guinness - It's Good For You! I thought we'd discuss Guinness today. There is an awesome new study published (by the University of Wisconsin) about the different health factors of various beers - carbs, calories, alcohol content, etc. Of course, my friends, you knew where the "nectar of the gods" wound up on the study - as the best bloody beer in the world (for your health). Of course, it's healthy! If it wasn't so good for your health, the life expectancy of an Irishman would only be about thirty years. Raise a pint of Guinness to your good health By KEVIN HUNT Hartford Courant Question: Whose dietary and health interests are better served by the 12-ounce beer? If the guidelines are less alcohol, fewer calories, fewer carbohydrates - and, to top it off, protection against heart attacks, blindness and maybe even impotence - then it's the Guinness drinker, hands down. No joke. Guinness, in fact, is lower in alcohol, calories and carbohydrates than Samuel Adams, Budweiser, Heineken and almost every other major-brand beer not classified as light or low-carb. It has fewer calories and carbohydrates than low-fat milk and orange juice, too. <...> In the study, Guinness proved twice as effective as Heineken at preventing blood clots. Guinness is loaded with flavonoids, anti-oxidants that give the dark color to many fruits and vegetables. These anti-oxidants are better than vitamins C and E, the study found, at keeping bad LDL cholesterol from clogging arteries. Blocked arteries also contribute to erectile dysfunction, as does overindulgence in alcohol. Guinness has a higher concentration than lighter beers of vitamin B, which lowers levels of homocysteine, linked to clogged arteries. And researchers have found that anti-oxidants from the moderate use of stout might reduce the incidence of cataracts by as much as 50%... So, lads and lasses, drink your Guinness and stay healthy. With your dresses and coat and tie
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 18, 2006 10:34:52 GMT -5
Drink Guinness - It's Good For You! I thought we'd discuss Guinness today. There is an awesome new study published (by the University of Wisconsin) about the different health factors of various beers - carbs, calories, alcohol content, etc. Of course, my friends, you knew where the "nectar of the gods" wound up on the study - as the best bloody beer in the world (for your health). Of course, it's healthy! If it wasn't so good for your health, the life expectancy of an Irishman would only be about thirty years. Raise a pint of Guinness to your good health By KEVIN HUNT Hartford Courant Question: Whose dietary and health interests are better served by the 12-ounce beer? If the guidelines are less alcohol, fewer calories, fewer carbohydrates - and, to top it off, protection against heart attacks, blindness and maybe even impotence - then it's the Guinness drinker, hands down. No joke. Guinness, in fact, is lower in alcohol, calories and carbohydrates than Samuel Adams, Budweiser, Heineken and almost every other major-brand beer not classified as light or low-carb. It has fewer calories and carbohydrates than low-fat milk and orange juice, too. <...> In the study, Guinness proved twice as effective as Heineken at preventing blood clots. Guinness is loaded with flavonoids, anti-oxidants that give the dark color to many fruits and vegetables. These anti-oxidants are better than vitamins C and E, the study found, at keeping bad LDL cholesterol from clogging arteries. Blocked arteries also contribute to erectile dysfunction, as does overindulgence in alcohol. Guinness has a higher concentration than lighter beers of vitamin B, which lowers levels of homocysteine, linked to clogged arteries. And researchers have found that anti-oxidants from the moderate use of stout might reduce the incidence of cataracts by as much as 50%... So, lads and lasses, drink your Guinness and stay healthy. With your dresses and coat and tie BTW please remember the difference between the more conservative protestant Northern Ireland. And the largely Catholic, Republic of Ireland (90%+). Guinness is an Irish drink, as in the Republic of Ireland.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 18, 2006 14:56:50 GMT -5
. [/quote] So at this time normal is wearing a dress in cold freezing winters or fall days because thats par for the religions unwritten rule go figure. [/quote] No different than people wearing Long pants out in the Hot heat in the summer. Just thought Id point that out too ;D
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Post by nitro on Jun 18, 2006 16:18:35 GMT -5
. No different than people wearing Long pants out in the Hot heat in the summer. Just thought Id point that out too ;D Or shorts when it's Hot!
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Post by firstborn on Jun 18, 2006 16:23:24 GMT -5
It was a hassle, as I recall. Not only the meeting tent, but also the eating tent were sex segregated, which meant that the daddys were supposed to be responsible for their sons at meal time. Unfortunately, not all dads were good at doing meal time with their kiddies, a lot of small sons seemed to miss their mommies very much. Although it may have given some moms a bit of relief! Seems like families generally hated it. Big deal, our school assemblies were sex segregated. The big deal was segregation with in the family, and yes, I remember this as a kid at Malcolm Ia. convention. Now that I look back at this I wonder how people bought into this crap, following worker rules like a bunch of sheep. Let see, take a two year old kid within a family, have him sit in a two hour meeting with out so much as a peep, then make him sit again at dinner without his mom. And that proved what??
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Post by ex-teenager on Jun 18, 2006 16:45:18 GMT -5
Big deal, our school assemblies were sex segregated. The big deal was segregation with in the family and yes, I remember this as a kid at Malcolm Ia. convention. Now that I look back at this I wonder how people bought into this crap, following worker rules like a bunch of sheep. Let see take a two year old kid within a family, have him sit in a two hour meeting with out so much as a peep, then make him sit again at dinner without his mom. And that proved what?? Offcourse it wasn't ideal, but that just happens to be the way things were. Get over it, move on.
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Post by firstborn on Jun 18, 2006 17:02:23 GMT -5
The big deal was segregation with in the family and yes, I remember this as a kid at Malcolm Ia. convention. Now that I look back at this I wonder how people bought into this crap, following worker rules like a bunch of sheep. Let see take a two year old kid within a family, have him sit in a two hour meeting with out so much as a peep, then make him sit again at dinner without his mom. And that proved what?? Offcourse it wasn't ideal, but that just happens to be the way things were. Get over it, move on. I have, and examples like this that are true is a good reminder to you and others that a vast majority of us experienced thing like this, and the rosy picture of the 2x2 world that you supposively live in was not our world...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2006 17:28:10 GMT -5
Also, factor in that a lot of families took vacation time off from work to attend convention, a *vacation* where they would be segrgated in the meeting tent, dining hall, and sleeping quarters. Not much family time. And a two year old boy who is used to spending all day with his mommy might find it particularly hard.
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Post by a believer on Jun 18, 2006 18:42:16 GMT -5
So at this time normal is wearing a dress in cold freezing winters or fall days because thats par for the religions unwritten rule go figure. Many schools over here it is compulsary for girls to wear a skirt all year, rain, hail or snow. Teenager, we are talking about adults, not children. Professing people are mostly made up of adults and these are adults being controlled by other adults by telling others i.e. workers telling other people where to sit, what they can wear etc. Guess some people like being controlled and letting others do the thinking for them.
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Post by horsewoman on Jun 18, 2006 19:45:20 GMT -5
For a believer...But God help you if you start thinking for yourself. This is more thanthe meetings and their various customs!
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Post by talk on Jun 18, 2006 21:44:28 GMT -5
talk about whiners you are still alive are you not? this is so trivial compared with what some families have to go through by the standards of this world
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Post by nitro on Jun 18, 2006 21:49:38 GMT -5
talk about whiners you are still alive are you not? this is so trivial compared with what some families have to go through by the standards of this world Good first post Next time kinda add something to a tread.By the way what are your standards?
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Post by towit on Jun 18, 2006 21:52:38 GMT -5
Some of these were adults. Aged 18. Im not supporting sex segregation, however if you consider society at the time, im sure it was fairly normal. Yep, gender segregation was normal in church society- even well into this century. Here is some text from a book regarding Baptists. . . "Some churches financed such construction by selling pews. Although free pews had some advantages, they did tend to divide families. With rented pews, families generally sat together. With free pews, men usually sat on one side of the church, and women, girls, and young boys sat on the other. Although many churches had separate doors for men and women, Baptist leaders were by no means of one mind on gender separation..."excerpt from Alabama Baptists by Wayne Flynt.
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Post by nitro on Jun 18, 2006 22:05:47 GMT -5
Now thats adding to a tread ;D ;D ;D Good Job towit!
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Post by towit on Jun 18, 2006 22:14:13 GMT -5
Now thats adding to a tread ;D ;D ;D Good Job towit! Good to hear from you Nitro, thanks!
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