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Post by Nate Nate on Mar 27, 2006 12:20:09 GMT -5
Nate Nate come come now !
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Post by nathan7 on Mar 27, 2006 12:21:57 GMT -5
I just clicked Nate's Member Bio - here's what it said: Name: nathan7 Email: hidden Sex: Undisclosed Location: USA Posts: 1,573 Date Registered: 9/29/05 at 10:49 Opps...sorry I can read my e-mail but not the readers.... that is OK... they can send PM me on this message board when they are registered or not. I will get a hold of them one way or another. |
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Post by nathan7 on Mar 27, 2006 12:24:46 GMT -5
To Clay:
My e-mail is posted on Part III at the bottom of the article: Did the VOT/TTT ex-2x2s websites set you free?
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Post by nathan7 on Mar 27, 2006 12:28:49 GMT -5
I just clicked Nate's Member Bio - here's what it said: Name: nathan7 Email: hidden Sex: Undisclosed Location: USA Posts: 1,573 Date Registered: 9/29/05 at 10:49 Opps...sorry I posted my e-mail address on my profile but didn't know what Undisclosed was all about. I can read it but not the readers. ;D... that is OK... The readers here can send Private Message to me on this message board if they are registered or not I will get a hold of them one way or another. |
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Post by ClayRandall on Mar 27, 2006 12:43:42 GMT -5
To Clay: My e-mail is posted on Part III at the bottom of the article: Did the VOT/TTT ex-2x2s websites set you free? Gosh, thanks so much, Nathan! This saves me the time of wading through the fifty articles in Parts I and II (most of which have so little in common with each other to the point one wonders why they're organized in such a way in the first place) before I got to Part III. For everyone else, here's Nate's email: ABarkerN@aol.com. |
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Post by ClayRandall on Mar 27, 2006 15:53:13 GMT -5
I have to say that the style of writing and the common themes remind me a lot of Josh/Jason's work. I spent some amount of time addressing his previous website and so I feel like I am familiar with his prose.
The fact that he has taken down similar pro-2x2 sites might also explain why Nate told him not to post his name/contact info "yet".
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Post by nathan7 on Mar 27, 2006 16:51:52 GMT -5
I have to say that the style of writing and the common themes remind me a lot of Josh/Jason's work. I spent some amount of time addressing his previous website and so I feel like I am familiar with his prose. The fact that he has taken down similar pro-2x2 sites might also explain why Nate told him not to post his name/contact info "yet". Sorry, again.... Clay... it is NOT Jason. |
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Post by huh1 on Apr 8, 2006 15:57:27 GMT -5
Who are the VOTs?
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Post by the VOTS on Apr 9, 2006 9:57:24 GMT -5
The VOTs are those who have figured out how far away from reality 2x2ism is. |
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Post by Ghostwhisperer on Apr 9, 2006 18:00:47 GMT -5
"For the eyes of the Lord [are] over the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil. And who [is] he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good. But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy [are ye]: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled; But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ." 1 Peter 3
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Post by Audrey on Apr 10, 2006 15:48:24 GMT -5
I too am less than impressed by the cowardice displayed by the lack of contact information. Posting opposing opinions on this board is pointless if the author of that website isn’t participating in the discussion.
I will, however, briefly point out a few things I observed on Mr. Phillip’s web page.
The most disturbing accusation made is that the VOT’s (how the author sarcastically calls all exes—surely he’s not simply referring to the few people who authored another web page, all of whom had the integrity to stand behind their words by posting contact information, incidentally) claim that being “saved by grace” means that they are free to live in sin and in fact encourage others to do so, not to mention brag about doing so themselves. What a ridiculous thing to say! It DOES have the desired effect of making one pause, however, if one didn’t have first hand knowledge of the true Gospel of Jesus.
WHICH IS:
That none of us can be saved by our own efforts. The ONLY WAY to salvation is through grace demonstrated by the saving blood of Jesus Christ. If we could have done it, He wouldn’t have had to die.
Period.
That being said, all believers entered into a relationship with God when they came to faith in Jesus. Fruits of the Spirit began to grow in them and be demonstrated by their conduct (works). If those fruits aren’t there, something’s seriously wrong with an individual’s claim of belonging to Jesus.
Something I found amusing was Mr. Phillip’s contention that being able to claim that your church is “from the beginning” is nothing important and that doesn’t in itself mean that it’s the “True Church.” Rather ironic considering the insistence on that very thing by workers and friends over the past 100 years. But perhaps it’s wise that that particular claim be dropped now that the existence of Wm. Irvine is so widely known.
I was a bit confused by Mr. Phillip’s repeated reference to “apostles and workers,” … are there living apostles that I should know about?
I will close by saying that my faith is in Jesus Christ alone. Nothing else will save me no matter how hard I try. I love him and I live my life for him. I’m wise enough to know that I still need a savior and I always will. Wearing my hair in a bun and meeting in a home are not what’s going to get me into heaven. My faith in the saving blood of Jesus is the only thing I will have that’s worth anything.
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Post by parts nate on Apr 10, 2006 15:54:17 GMT -5
To Clay: My e-mail is posted on Part III at the bottom of the article: Did the VOT/TTT ex-2x2s websites set you free? Gosh, thanks so much, Nathan! This saves me the time of wading through the fifty articles in Parts I and II (most of which have so little in common with each other to the point one wonders why they're organized in such a way in the first place) before I got to Part III. For everyone else, here's Nate's email: ABarkerN@aol.com. Even nate doesn't understand why his so-called articles are in Part I, Part II, Part III, and so forth. He really has no idea. |
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Post by a true believer on Apr 10, 2006 16:14:13 GMT -5
Audrey, I so appreciated your response. I feel they same way but you put it into words much better than I could have. It is only through Jesus---he IS the Way!!!
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Post by belief on Apr 11, 2006 1:35:09 GMT -5
I too am less than impressed by the cowardice displayed by the lack of contact information. Posting opposing opinions on this board is pointless if the author of that website isn’t participating in the discussion. I will, however, briefly point out a few things I observed on Mr. Phillip’s web page. The most disturbing accusation made is that the VOT’s (how the author sarcastically calls all exes—surely he’s not simply referring to the few people who authored another web page, all of whom had the integrity to stand behind their words by posting contact information, incidentally) claim that being “saved by grace” means that they are free to live in sin and in fact encourage others to do so, not to mention brag about doing so themselves. What a ridiculous thing to say! It DOES have the desired effect of making one pause, however, if one didn’t have first hand knowledge of the true Gospel of Jesus. WHICH IS: That none of us can be saved by our own efforts. The ONLY WAY to salvation is through grace demonstrated by the saving blood of Jesus Christ. If we could have done it, He wouldn’t have had to die. Period. That being said, all believers entered into a relationship with God when they came to faith in Jesus. Fruits of the Spirit began to grow in them and be demonstrated by their conduct (works). If those fruits aren’t there, something’s seriously wrong with an individual’s claim of belonging to Jesus. Something I found amusing was Mr. Phillip’s contention that being able to claim that your church is “from the beginning” is nothing important and that doesn’t in itself mean that it’s the “True Church.” Rather ironic considering the insistence on that very thing by workers and friends over the past 100 years. But perhaps it’s wise that that particular claim be dropped now that the existence of Wm. Irvine is so widely known. I was a bit confused by Mr. Phillip’s repeated reference to “apostles and workers,” … are there living apostles that I should know about? I will close by saying that my faith is in Jesus Christ alone. Nothing else will save me no matter how hard I try. I love him and I live my life for him. I’m wise enough to know that I still need a savior and I always will. Wearing my hair in a bun and meeting in a home are not what’s going to get me into heaven. My faith in the saving blood of Jesus is the only thing I will have that’s worth anything. They believe their actions are worthy. They believe Jesus came to give us the doctrine of works. They believe they can add to the finish work on the cross. Their efforts are nothing more then filthy rags. |
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Post by ex-teenager on Apr 11, 2006 3:50:38 GMT -5
Not sure about your 'true church' comment, heard only this year at convention that it is likely the catholic was the 'orginal/true church'.
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Post by Yellow on Apr 11, 2006 10:03:35 GMT -5
It'd be very interesting to know who spoke that, and just how long it took for someone to correct him/her on that minor little point.
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Post by Nathan is OK on Apr 19, 2006 23:29:14 GMT -5
Nathan is an OK guy, in my book. Whatever faults he might possibly have (at least in the eyes of the Xs) he seems like one of the nicer people at TMB. I don't claim to be a Christian...but I think Nathan's civility, good homor, and calm spirit, gives Christianity a good name. Some of you bitter Xs could take some niceness lessons from Nate.  |
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Post by nathan7 on Apr 19, 2006 23:36:01 GMT -5
Nathan is an OK guy, in my book. Whatever faults he might possibly have (at least in the eyes of the Xs) he seems like one of the nicer people at TMB. I don't claim to be a Christian...but I think Nathan's civility, good humor, and calm spirit, gives Christianity a good name. Some of you bitter Xs could take some niceness lessons from Nate. Thanks, for your nice comments.  |
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Post by loving force on Apr 19, 2006 23:36:21 GMT -5
"Homor"... is usually spelled, "humor". I don't think God is concerned with MAN'S complicated doctrines...in which you must have every "i" dotted, and every "t" crossed. God is a loving force.
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Post by filthy rags on Apr 20, 2006 1:43:56 GMT -5
I too am less than impressed by the cowardice displayed by the lack of contact information. Posting opposing opinions on this board is pointless if the author of that website isn’t participating in the discussion. I will, however, briefly point out a few things I observed on Mr. Phillip’s web page. The most disturbing accusation made is that the VOT’s (how the author sarcastically calls all exes—surely he’s not simply referring to the few people who authored another web page, all of whom had the integrity to stand behind their words by posting contact information, incidentally) claim that being “saved by grace” means that they are free to live in sin and in fact encourage others to do so, not to mention brag about doing so themselves. What a ridiculous thing to say! It DOES have the desired effect of making one pause, however, if one didn’t have first hand knowledge of the true Gospel of Jesus. WHICH IS: That none of us can be saved by our own efforts. The ONLY WAY to salvation is through grace demonstrated by the saving blood of Jesus Christ. If we could have done it, He wouldn’t have had to die. Period. That being said, all believers entered into a relationship with God when they came to faith in Jesus. Fruits of the Spirit began to grow in them and be demonstrated by their conduct (works). If those fruits aren’t there, something’s seriously wrong with an individual’s claim of belonging to Jesus. Something I found amusing was Mr. Phillip’s contention that being able to claim that your church is “from the beginning” is nothing important and that doesn’t in itself mean that it’s the “True Church.” Rather ironic considering the insistence on that very thing by workers and friends over the past 100 years. But perhaps it’s wise that that particular claim be dropped now that the existence of Wm. Irvine is so widely known. I was a bit confused by Mr. Phillip’s repeated reference to “apostles and workers,” … are there living apostles that I should know about? I will close by saying that my faith is in Jesus Christ alone. Nothing else will save me no matter how hard I try. I love him and I live my life for him. I’m wise enough to know that I still need a savior and I always will. Wearing my hair in a bun and meeting in a home are not what’s going to get me into heaven. My faith in the saving blood of Jesus is the only thing I will have that’s worth anything. They believe their actions are worthy. They believe Jesus came to give us the doctrine of works. They believe they can add to the finish work on the cross. Their efforts are nothing more then filthy rags. Quote,''Bring forth then , 'WORKS'' worthy of repentance.'' How does God know we are repenting/turning from our sins, if we go on and live without the [['worthy''/sincere]] repentance that He speaks of??? Grace does not mean there is NO need for works, even though their own efforts ARE INDEED= ''FILTHY RAGS". |
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Post by take your own advice on Apr 20, 2006 6:21:01 GMT -5
Nathan is an OK guy, in my book. Whatever faults he might possibly have (at least in the eyes of the Xs) he seems like one of the nicer people at TMB. I don't claim to be a Christian...but I think Nathan's civility, good homor, and calm spirit, gives Christianity a good name. Some of you bitter Xs could take some niceness lessons from Nate. When you put "bitter" next to "Xs" in a generalized attempt to address everyone who has left 2x2ism, you place yourself in position to need to take your own advice regarding niceness. We're not all bitter. Get it? |
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Post by about the past on Apr 20, 2006 6:44:25 GMT -5
"I can feel guilty about the past, apprehensive about the future, but only in the present can I act. The ability to be in the present moment is a major component of mental wellness."
Abraham Maslow
1908-1970, Psychologist
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Post by aliens and Xs on Apr 25, 2006 18:59:19 GMT -5
Jungo, your alien abduction comparison with Xs who feel traumatized is interesting. I wonder how many Xs...have also been abducted by saucer beings? Either way...apparently traumatic.
Pssst....Jungo, do you believe in aliens? They believe in you.
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Post by Learn to read on Apr 25, 2006 19:04:06 GMT -5
Take your own advice...please learn how to read. I qualified my "so called" generalization, by prefacing it with the word "Some".
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Post by Learn to read on Apr 25, 2006 19:05:09 GMT -5
Take your own advice...please learn how to read. I qualified my "so called" generalization, by prefacing it with the word "Some".
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Post by learn some grammar on Apr 25, 2006 20:48:30 GMT -5
The way you worded it implies you think all x's are bitter, and that you were only referring to some of them. You could have written "some of you x's".... but nope, you put "some of you bitter x's".
So attempting to clarify your own gaffe only tells us more of your slant.
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