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Post by Dan on Dec 6, 2024 23:30:49 GMT -5
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magpies39plus
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WHY? Does quoting relevant scripture send the 2x2;s into sometimes a nasty response??
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Post by magpies39plus on Dec 8, 2024 19:14:34 GMT -5
FOR 70 Years I have been waiting for this moment?? At 85 I can look back to The Irvine doctrines 2x2 ministry at recorded and/or known unnatural Bro/Sister Homo/Lesbian Preachers "100" years? It was so known that at the 500 strong Technical School I attended I was known as "Fiddlers little boy" .. My campaign has only been to protect the kids of the same fate many of us suffered?
The Bible says in Timothy 16 All scripture is ordained by God... So it is a Godly thing to read ! Corinthians 9 verses 5-6..
So as I and so many of us have said before Celibate living is not Biblical (Yes there exceptions and choice) and what a great hiding place for the unnatural sexual desirers to hide? "Just",as the Celibate Roman Catholic Priest/Nuns, the ones "we" used to make jokes about?
Yes the AZ case is headlines here too.. Isn't that good. The 2x Preachers of just a few years ago that were jailed was only a tip of the iceberg.. The trauma,mental health,suicides caused by sick depraved Bro/Sister Preachers?? Reckon I am a bit rough? Well as an ex victim knowing and knowing of others abused as kids/young teens,"I" have a God given right to speak,,haven't I?
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magpies39plus
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Post by magpies39plus on Dec 8, 2024 19:15:58 GMT -5
Sorry Dan I overlooked thanking you for releasing this article.. Magpie..
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Post by Dan on Dec 9, 2024 1:27:47 GMT -5
FOR 70 Years I have been waiting for this moment?? At 85 I can look back to The Irvine doctrines 2x2 ministry at recorded and/or known unnatural Bro/Sister Homo/Lesbian Preachers "100" years? It was so known that at the 500 strong Technical School I attended I was known as "Fiddlers little boy" .. My campaign has only been to protect the kids of the same fate many of us suffered? The Bible says in Timothy 16 All scripture is ordained by God... So it is a Godly thing to read ! Corinthians 9 verses 5-6.. So as I and so many of us have said before Celibate living is not Biblical (Yes there exceptions and choice) and what a great hiding place for the unnatural sexual desirers to hide? "Just",as the Celibate Roman Catholic Priest/Nuns, the ones "we" used to make jokes about? Yes the AZ case is headlines here too.. Isn't that good. The 2x Preachers of just a few years ago that were jailed was only a tip of the iceberg.. The trauma,mental health,suicides caused by sick depraved Bro/Sister Preachers?? Reckon I am a bit rough? Well as an ex victim knowing and knowing of others abused as kids/young teens,"I" have a God given right to speak,,haven't I?
You have every right to complain. Justice has been slow and a long time coming for many victims.
This Raymond Zwiefelhofer (elder) was convicted of 10 counts of abuse and sentenced to 120 years. He looks like a nice guy who could be anyone's grandpa at 61, I almost felt sorry for him. He told the judge, "I'd like to plead not guilty again and I'd like to know how the jury found that I knowingly did this"
One of my sisters sent me the link, and my other sister who's a Worker was somehow shown singing a hymn in a brief 1 second photo op at about 1:15 minutes into the report. She was embarrassed and has no idea why or how she was video taped and included?
I don't know if celibacy is to blame, I suspect many of these pedophiles would have offended regardless? Its totally unnatural to be attracted to children, that's likely a psychological sickness that transcends being single or married? But obviously, the church is an ideal feeding ground for predators since it provides a trusting atmosphere with access to children, so perhaps a celibate ministry unknowingly acts as a magnet for perverts?
Its difficult to understand how someone would surrender their entire life to a ministry only for an opportunity to molest children? I suspect they gradually fall to such perversions, never being sexually satisfied might lead to unnatural lust? I don't know, its an enigma.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 9, 2024 4:05:39 GMT -5
From notes I saw taken from the trial, the Defence were putting up quite a strong case for the possibility he was framed. But the Jury were privy to all the statements put before them and made their decision.
Something I have noticed in my professional life, and have seen it in the church, is that often offenders can be nice people, charming, charitable, charismatic etc, and it masks their dark side. And this is one of the reasons why people defend them, because they cannot reconcile their behaviour with the character they see.
Yes, Pedophilia is a disease of deviancy. We are witnessing things playing out here, down under, that proves marriage makes no, or very little, difference to the odds of offending. Certainly the worker lifestyle puts temptation in front of them.
You're probably right in your last paragraph, Dan.
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Post by Lee on Dec 9, 2024 14:21:18 GMT -5
Was a motive alleged in framing Raymond? Technology, coupled with despotism in government circles has afforded an ability and climate for framing everyone. Maybe his entire defense consists of exploiting the moral vacuum pervading the powers that shouldn’t be.
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Post by Pragmatic on Dec 9, 2024 17:19:20 GMT -5
Not that I can recall, but I wasn't taking a lot of interest, being away at the time at a friend's funeral. There may be some details on a forum or two.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2024 17:47:00 GMT -5
FOR 70 Years I have been waiting for this moment?? At 85 I can look back to The Irvine doctrines 2x2 ministry at recorded and/or known unnatural Bro/Sister Homo/Lesbian Preachers "100" years? It was so known that at the 500 strong Technical School I attended I was known as "Fiddlers little boy" .. My campaign has only been to protect the kids of the same fate many of us suffered? The Bible says in Timothy 16 All scripture is ordained by God... So it is a Godly thing to read ! Corinthians 9 verses 5-6.. So as I and so many of us have said before Celibate living is not Biblical (Yes there exceptions and choice) and what a great hiding place for the unnatural sexual desirers to hide? "Just",as the Celibate Roman Catholic Priest/Nuns, the ones "we" used to make jokes about? Yes the AZ case is headlines here too.. Isn't that good. The 2x Preachers of just a few years ago that were jailed was only a tip of the iceberg.. The trauma,mental health,suicides caused by sick depraved Bro/Sister Preachers?? Reckon I am a bit rough? Well as an ex victim knowing and knowing of others abused as kids/young teens,"I" have a God given right to speak,,haven't I? You have every right to complain. Justice has been slow and a long time coming for many victims.
This Raymond Zwiefelhofer (elder) was convicted of 10 counts of abuse and sentenced to 120 years. He looks like a nice guy who could be anyone's grandpa at 61, I almost felt sorry for him. He told the judge, "I'd like to plead not guilty again and I'd like to know how the jury found that I knowingly did this" One of my sisters sent me the link, and my other sister who's a Worker was somehow shown singing a hymn in a brief 1 second photo op at about 1:15 minutes into the report. She was embarrassed and has no idea why or how she was video taped and included? I don't know if celibacy is to blame, I suspect many of these pedophiles would have offended regardless? Its totally unnatural to be attracted to children, that's likely a psychological sickness that transcends being single or married? But obviously, the church is an ideal feeding ground for predators since it provides a trusting atmosphere with access to children, so perhaps a celibate ministry unknowingly acts as a magnet for perverts? Its difficult to understand how someone would surrender their entire life to a ministry only for an opportunity to molest children? I suspect they gradually fall to such perversions, never being sexually satisfied might lead to unnatural lust? I don't know, its an enigma.
I don't think one can blame the celibacy rule for child sexual abuse. It can contribute to fornication, perhaps, but such an interest in children has no equivalent expectation of legitimacy as does adult sexuality. CSA requires the element of non-consent and predatorial play. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 9, 2024 18:53:08 GMT -5
Sexual perversion can ensue from a perception or actual denial of healthy sexual expression. Some elements of 2x2ism discourage humor, play, and the immutable connection between the soul and the body.
This is not to blame such circumstances on a secondary or subsequent perversion. Healthful boundaries and conduct, are first of all the responsibility of adults.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2024 18:57:22 GMT -5
Sexual perversion can ensue from a perception or actual denial of healthy sexual expression. Some elements of 2x2ism discourage humor, play, and the immutable connection between the soul and the body. This is not to blame such circumstances on a secondary or subsequent perversion. Healthful boundaries and conduct, are first of all the responsibility of adults. You will be very helpful to the cause. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 9, 2024 22:21:52 GMT -5
FOR 70 Years I have been waiting for this moment?? At 85 I can look back to The Irvine doctrines 2x2 ministry at recorded and/or known unnatural Bro/Sister Homo/Lesbian Preachers "100" years? It was so known that at the 500 strong Technical School I attended I was known as "Fiddlers little boy" .. My campaign has only been to protect the kids of the same fate many of us suffered? The Bible says in Timothy 16 All scripture is ordained by God... So it is a Godly thing to read ! Corinthians 9 verses 5-6.. So as I and so many of us have said before Celibate living is not Biblical (Yes there exceptions and choice) and what a great hiding place for the unnatural sexual desirers to hide? "Just",as the Celibate Roman Catholic Priest/Nuns, the ones "we" used to make jokes about? Yes the AZ case is headlines here too.. Isn't that good. The 2x Preachers of just a few years ago that were jailed was only a tip of the iceberg.. The trauma,mental health,suicides caused by sick depraved Bro/Sister Preachers?? Reckon I am a bit rough? Well as an ex victim knowing and knowing of others abused as kids/young teens,"I" have a God given right to speak,,haven't I? You have every right to complain. Justice has been slow and a long time coming for many victims.
This Raymond Zwiefelhofer (elder) was convicted of 10 counts of abuse and sentenced to 120 years. He looks like a nice guy who could be anyone's grandpa at 61, I almost felt sorry for him. He told the judge, "I'd like to plead not guilty again and I'd like to know how the jury found that I knowingly did this" One of my sisters sent me the link, and my other sister who's a Worker was somehow shown singing a hymn in a brief 1 second photo op at about 1:15 minutes into the report. She was embarrassed and has no idea why or how she was video taped and included? I don't know if celibacy is to blame, I suspect many of these pedophiles would have offended regardless? Its totally unnatural to be attracted to children, that's likely a psychological sickness that transcends being single or married? But obviously, the church is an ideal feeding ground for predators since it provides a trusting atmosphere with access to children, so perhaps a celibate ministry unknowingly acts as a magnet for perverts? Its difficult to understand how someone would surrender their entire life to a ministry only for an opportunity to molest children? I suspect they gradually fall to such perversions, never being sexually satisfied might lead to unnatural lust? I don't know, its an enigma.
She was included because the lame stream media has an agenda to “make war on the harlot”. It’s less than truthful, because many 2x2 are ignorant and innocent of the perverts among them. In an immediate sense they’re innocent. Perhaps God desires their attention for other sins of commission and omission. |
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Post by Dan on Dec 10, 2024 0:02:49 GMT -5
Was a motive alleged in framing Raymond? Technology, coupled with despotism in government circles has afforded an ability and climate for framing everyone. Maybe his entire defense consists of exploiting the moral vacuum pervading the powers that shouldn’t be. I don't know the details or the extent of what he was charged with? If it was just being in possession of child pornography or fondling children, the life sentence would seem excessive. Sexual abuse can be defined by inappropriate touching, molestation, intercourse, etc? I'd assume if it was just one victim that came forward, the defense of framing might carry some weight (one persons word against another's), but with 10 felony convictions, I'd assume that several people had alleged some type of SA? He said to the judge, "I'd like to know how the jury found that I knowingly did this?".. Makes me wonder how a person could unknowingly do it? Sleepwalking I guess  She was included because the lame stream media has an agenda to “make war on the harlot”. It’s less than truthful, because many 2x2 are ignorant and innocent of the perverts among them. In an immediate sense they’re innocent. Perhaps God desires their attention for other sins of commission and omission.
I imagine that ABC News just used any film they could get in order to give the audience a glimpse of a meeting? That small clip was taken in South Carolina and had nothing to do with the trial in Arizona. And I agree, most professing folks are innocent and its unfair for the press to lump them all into some type of perverted sect. The larger problem is that some in leadership were content to drink the Kool-Aid, but that should be no reflection on the majority who would have brought the hammer down on any wolves among the sheep.
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Post by chuck on Dec 10, 2024 5:58:49 GMT -5
You have every right to complain. Justice has been slow and a long time coming for many victims.
This Raymond Zwiefelhofer (elder) was convicted of 10 counts of abuse and sentenced to 120 years. He looks like a nice guy who could be anyone's grandpa at 61, I almost felt sorry for him. He told the judge, "I'd like to plead not guilty again and I'd like to know how the jury found that I knowingly did this" One of my sisters sent me the link, and my other sister who's a Worker was somehow shown singing a hymn in a brief 1 second photo op at about 1:15 minutes into the report. She was embarrassed and has no idea why or how she was video taped and included? I don't know if celibacy is to blame, I suspect many of these pedophiles would have offended regardless? Its totally unnatural to be attracted to children, that's likely a psychological sickness that transcends being single or married? But obviously, the church is an ideal feeding ground for predators since it provides a trusting atmosphere with access to children, so perhaps a celibate ministry unknowingly acts as a magnet for perverts? Its difficult to understand how someone would surrender their entire life to a ministry only for an opportunity to molest children? I suspect they gradually fall to such perversions, never being sexually satisfied might lead to unnatural lust? I don't know, its an enigma.
I don't think one can blame the celibacy rule for child sexual abuse. It can contribute to fornication, perhaps, but such an interest in children has no equivalent expectation of legitimacy as does adult sexuality. CSA requires the element of non-consent and predatorial play. True, but the culture of celibacy certainly cannot help. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 10, 2024 22:40:02 GMT -5
I don't think one can blame the celibacy rule for child sexual abuse. It can contribute to fornication, perhaps, but such an interest in children has no equivalent expectation of legitimacy as does adult sexuality. CSA requires the element of non-consent and predatorial play. True, but the culture of celibacy certainly cannot help. I think maybe it even exacerbates the CSA problem. A CSA offender can undoubtedly believe that going into a celibate ministry indicates a rejection of any sexual orientation or relationship. People are less suspicious of celibate workers than they are of never partnered old men. |
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Post by help on Dec 11, 2024 0:28:32 GMT -5
I thought old men were safe, because nature steps in and things stop working. Even if he gets randy, he can't do much about it. It's time to just dream about it.
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