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Post by fwiw on Aug 11, 2007 8:42:28 GMT -5
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Post by Dude on Aug 12, 2007 16:11:28 GMT -5
When are we going to get some footage on youtube of a worker preaching? That would be a first for some young dude worker to boast about. Maybe a convention scene ..... or a gospel meeting tirade even.
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Post by the sad thing on Aug 12, 2007 16:49:46 GMT -5
You know, the truly sad thing is that if a worker discovered he/she was being videotaped, he/she would simply stop preaching.
Guilty feelings, perhaps?
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Post by shushy on Aug 12, 2007 17:01:05 GMT -5
Are you serious??? I doubt that would ever happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2007 18:55:58 GMT -5
What is a "gospel meeting tirade" ?
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Post by Encourage on Aug 12, 2007 19:55:59 GMT -5
I would like to hear a worker preach a message that I could listen to right on the computer! Many of us that are no longer part of the Friends and Workers or never have been, would be much clearer on their beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2007 19:57:38 GMT -5
What don't you understand about us?
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Post by nothing on Aug 12, 2007 20:26:42 GMT -5
What don't you understand about us? There is nothing about 2x2ism we don't understand. That's why we left.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 13, 2007 6:22:58 GMT -5
You know digital cameras also have a thing you could film with and not be so conspicuous
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Post by guest5 on Aug 13, 2007 7:04:41 GMT -5
bert - For me as an older person, there are lots of things you have said that I don't understand. You present yourself as one super self-righteous person who says "There's nothing wrong with me, it is every one else". Why can't you face it in that everyone doesn't think like you and you will not change them. For me, I have one person to answer to and that certainly isn't you.
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Post by IQ on Aug 13, 2007 9:36:47 GMT -5
You know digital cameras also have a thing you could film with and not be so conspicuous ...isn't there laws against taping/videoing/etc people without their permission/knowledge? ...doing so without their permission/knowledge is against one of the very principles of Christ teaching...but then again...maybe your brand doesnt follow such principles.
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 13, 2007 10:06:03 GMT -5
syd...meet me in chat....nathans room. who was you talking to when you said 2 peas in a pod? that was the other guy....? you and them are all stubborn. i have not been mean to anyone. i am allowed to disagree sometimes, especially when it involves me. but i have overall been good to everyone, for a long time now. its just not right, syd. i have done my very best. what more can i do? its about giving someone a chance.
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Post by selah on Aug 13, 2007 10:50:39 GMT -5
Hi Nathan,
The reference is to those who went out from those who believed in the gospel of redemption and the Kingdom. There are many who have departed from that gospel. Some of them are f&w. Some of them are ex f&w.
It's important to examine carefully who you apply passages like this to. I don't think you can broadly include all exes, just as I would not broadly include all the friends and workers.
However, I would consider that if the emphasis of ministry is on something other than the gospel of redemption through Christ Jesus and the Kingdom at hand, it would seem the person/people behind that ministry have indeed departed from the original gospel.
I'm sensing my time here on this board is growing shorter.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by anexandhappy on Aug 13, 2007 11:37:02 GMT -5
Hi Nathan, The reference is to those who went out from those who believed in the gospel of redemption and the Kingdom. There are many who have departed from that gospel. Some of them are f&w. Some of them are ex f&w. It's important to examine carefully who you apply passages like this to. I don't think you can broadly include all exes, just as I would not broadly include all the friends and workers. However, I would consider that if the emphasis of ministry is on something other than the gospel of redemption through Christ Jesus and the Kingdom at hand, it would seem the person/people behind that ministry have indeed departed from the original gospel. I'm sensing my time here on this board is growing shorter. Blessings, Linda Thanks Linda for your wonderful post. You have a wonderful spirit that I hope one day Nathan will receive. He likes to slap us exes in the face. It is sad, but we can just pray about it. Love you girl.
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Post by freespirit on Aug 13, 2007 11:49:54 GMT -5
Let us be bridge builders. hmmm. okay. I'm curious if you had any plans about how to do this...? What sort of actions would building a bridge require? Just curious. peace to all, freespirit
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Post by HelenGreene on Aug 13, 2007 12:14:18 GMT -5
I am so thankful for God's love and His wonderful spirit He shows to all. I want to be more like Him. 2x2s are the most judgmental people on the face of this earth. God is the most loving on the face of this earth. Just can't say it enough that I want to be more like Him, and love everyone. What a wonderful testimony that would be.
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Post by to natetwister on Aug 13, 2007 14:12:00 GMT -5
What don't you understand about us? Bert,
This is perhaps why they don't understand about us. This is what the apostles wrote about the exes in their days.
(I John 2:19) They went out from us! they did not really belong with us for if they had belonged with us, they would no doubt have remained with us: but their going out, showed they might be made manifest that they were not all belonged to us. (NIV/KJV)
(I John 1:7) If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanse us from all sin. If we say we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.
Apostle Paul wrote in II Cor. 4:3,4 But if our Gospel is veil, it is veil (hid) to them that are LOST. In whom the god of this world has BLINDED the mind! of them who believe NOT lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
(II Thess. 2:9-12) Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and miracles. And with all spirits of EVIL that deceive those who are perish; because they receive NOT the LOVE of the truth, that they might be SAVED.
And for this reason God shall send them POWERFUL delusion! that they ALL might be damned who believe NOT the truth, but had delighted in wickedness.
Peter wrote in (II Peter 2:20,21) For it they have escaped the pollutions of the world, through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are ENTANGLED in it, and Overcome!, they are worse off at the end they were in the beginning.
For it had been better for them NOT to have known the way of righteousness, than AFTER! they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned to his own vomit again! and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. That's a broad brushed generalization, natetwister. And here I thought you were adamantly against anyone using generalizations on this forum. YET HERE YOU DID IT YOURSELF!
HYPOCRITE!
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Post by pointing it out on Aug 13, 2007 14:57:40 GMT -5
pointing out your hypocracy is neither name-calling nor hypocracy.
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Post by selah on Aug 13, 2007 16:05:24 GMT -5
Hi Nathan...yes, let us be bridge builders. Your post hit a nerve with some it seems, and honestly speaking, I guess it did a bit with me too, and that's why I responded. Maybe it was this comment:
Were you referring to those who exit the f&w church, or did you mean those who left the original group of believers in the first century?
If you are referring to those who exit the f&w church, you would be misapplying scripture.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by _ on Aug 13, 2007 16:25:24 GMT -5
There are exes within the 2x2s church. Do you equate leaving the 2x2 fellowship with leaving God?
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Post by _ on Aug 13, 2007 16:49:51 GMT -5
That is between them and God Then why make the connection? So what?
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 13, 2007 17:03:17 GMT -5
Bryan, you're a Christian? (I think you are...) and you can say so what? to that last comment??? I would think ANY Christian would be concerned for the soul of an Atheist. And btw, thank you Nate. Back atcha. We don't *always* agree, but I respect you as well, and agree with you much of the time. I feel you do very well here considering all you deal with on a daily basis. M.
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Post by to wtbwg on Aug 13, 2007 17:06:55 GMT -5
The "so what" merely points out that nathan's comment is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
You, likewise, are irrelevant to the topic at hand, true?
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Post by _ on Aug 13, 2007 17:10:17 GMT -5
Bryan, you're a Christian? (I think you are...) and you can say so what? to that last comment??? I would think ANY Christian would be concerned for the soul of an Atheist. You misunderstand the purpose of my "so what"... Nathan is attempting to marginalize faithful exes who have left his fellowship but not God by pointing to those who have left both his fellowship and God... I think the more you read nathan the more you will come to the conclusion he is not worthy of your respect... this may take time, but I have no doubt you will reach this conclusion if you continue to follow his posts...
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 13, 2007 17:32:36 GMT -5
What don't you understand about us? Bert, This is perhaps why they don't understand about us. This is what the apostles wrote about the exes in their days. Nathan, I just love it when those who post here who are still going to meetings "put the period on a paragraph" for us (x's) as you have done here! Many of us have said over and over again that the F & W believe they are "the WAY" (furthermore, the ONLY Way - as the only Christianity acceptable to God), which several of you who still go to meeting deny over and over again. But here, you have confirmed it! What you are confirming is your belief that "the exes" have left JESUS! And, it is not so for most of us! Edy
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 13, 2007 18:08:19 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I do NOT believe that the f&w religion is the only way to be saved....I believe God judges our hearts, not our religion.
To "to wtbwg" It matters not if anyone else thinks I am irrelevant to the discussion or not. To that I will answer, respectfully, that most all of us chime in when we have anything to say...just as I did here. No harm, no foul. M.
PS..and ok, Bryan, I guess I see what you meant by your "so what." Sorry... M.
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Post by selah on Aug 13, 2007 19:03:23 GMT -5
So then with this statement, are you saying that the exes you referred to here are those who have left the first century church, the Catholic church, the Protestant church and the 2x2 church? I don't think that is what you were trying to say. I suspect that you were referring to those who leave the f&w church. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way it read to me, and obviously to others too. Anyway, I know you accept some people outside of your faith as believers....'cause you've confirmed this to me on more than one occasion. So, your understanding of the verses you posted doesn't really apply to ALL exes. Once again though, I think you may have misinterpreted those verses to be specifically speaking of leaving the f&w church. Blessings, Linda
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Post by freespirit on Aug 13, 2007 21:52:50 GMT -5
Yea right... you should be the last person to call anyone a hyprocrite. LOOK at yourself in the mirror first, please. A drive-by hit and run anonymous. That is truly pathetic. Hmm. Well. :blink: Color me confused. Is the bridge already finished? Was it really short? Or were we only building it so we could throw stuff at the the other side? Or maybe we've just stopped for a bit. I'm finding it hard to line up with the plumb line while still holding rocks in my hand. Oh, well. It was your bridge anyhow. peace, freespirit
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