magpies39plus
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WHY? Does quoting relevant scripture send the 2x2;s into sometimes a nasty response??
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Post by magpies39plus on Jul 18, 2024 20:11:15 GMT -5
To ignore God's commands is
disobedience isn't it? We are "COMMANDED to not judge others,Gossip,put others down,ungodly speach/comments,Care for the POOR,etc!!
18th of Samual v 11, "Don't retaliate hold your peace"
Romans 14, V 1 . Welcome the person who is weak in faith.do not argue with him about his personal opinions. Chapter 14,v 13, So then,let us stop judging one another. Instead you should decide never to do anything that would make your brother stumble or fall into sin..
Ephesians 4 v 29, Do not use harmfull words,but only helpful words,the kind that will build up and provide what is needed so that what you say will do"good" to those who hear you. 30, Do not make God's Holy Spirit sad,for the Spirit of God's mark of ownership on you a guarantee that the day will come when God will set you free.. 31, Get rid of all bitterness passion and anger. No more shouting or insults,no more hateful feelings"of any sort" . Instead be kind and tenderhearted to one another,as God has forgiven you through Christ..
The Holy(GOD"S) Spirit is real and there to guide your mind and hand in serving Him and "others",isn't He.
Commands - God expects His children to adhere to His words...
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Post by Dan on Jul 19, 2024 1:41:00 GMT -5
To ignore God's commands is disobedience isn't it? We are "COMMANDED to not judge others,Gossip,put others down,ungodly speach/comments,Care for the POOR,etc!! 18th of Samual v 11, "Don't retaliate hold your peace" Romans 14, V 1 . Welcome the person who is weak in faith.do not argue with him about his personal opinions. Chapter 14,v 13, So then,let us stop judging one another. Instead you should decide never to do anything that would make your brother stumble or fall into sin.. Ephesians 4 v 29, Do not use harmfull words,but only helpful words,the kind that will build up and provide what is needed so that what you say will do"good" to those who hear you. 30, Do not make God's Holy Spirit sad,for the Spirit of God's mark of ownership on you a guarantee that the day will come when God will set you free.. 31, Get rid of all bitterness passion and anger. No more shouting or insults,no more hateful feelings"of any sort" . Instead be kind and tenderhearted to one another,as God has forgiven you through Christ.. The Holy(GOD"S) Spirit is real and there to guide your mind and hand in serving Him and "others",isn't He. Commands - God expects His children to adhere to His words...
Everyone judges, "holding your peace" could be construed as condoning sin. When Jesus entered the Temple, he was angry, judged the money changers and overturned their tables.
I agree that we aren't suppose to exercise condemning judgement, but we all need to discern right from wrong, because non-decisions can be harmful, and sometimes 'harsh words' can be helpful.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 19, 2024 14:06:53 GMT -5
To ignore God's commands is disobedience isn't it? We are "COMMANDED to not judge others,Gossip,put others down,ungodly speach/comments,Care for the POOR,etc!! 18th of Samual v 11, "Don't retaliate hold your peace" Romans 14, V 1 . Welcome the person who is weak in faith.do not argue with him about his personal opinions. Chapter 14,v 13, So then,let us stop judging one another. Instead you should decide never to do anything that would make your brother stumble or fall into sin.. Ephesians 4 v 29, Do not use harmfull words,but only helpful words,the kind that will build up and provide what is needed so that what you say will do"good" to those who hear you. 30, Do not make God's Holy Spirit sad,for the Spirit of God's mark of ownership on you a guarantee that the day will come when God will set you free.. 31, Get rid of all bitterness passion and anger. No more shouting or insults,no more hateful feelings"of any sort" . Instead be kind and tenderhearted to one another,as God has forgiven you through Christ.. The Holy(GOD"S) Spirit is real and there to guide your mind and hand in serving Him and "others",isn't He. Commands - God expects His children to adhere to His words...
Everyone judges, "holding your peace" could be construed as condoning sin. When Jesus entered the Temple, he was angry, judged the money changers and overturned their tables.
I agree that we aren't suppose to exercise condemning judgement, but we all need to discern right from wrong, because non-decisions can be harmful, and sometimes 'harsh words' can be helpful.
"Judged the money changers and overturned their tables." Does anyone here understand the context behind this verse? I'll give you a hint: Money changers were necessary because the law required only pure silver to enter the temple. Coins came from all over the world and were made of various materials. Are we starting to get the picture yet? |
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Post by Dan on Jul 20, 2024 13:48:44 GMT -5
Everyone judges, "holding your peace" could be construed as condoning sin. When Jesus entered the Temple, he was angry, judged the money changers and overturned their tables.
I agree that we aren't suppose to exercise condemning judgement, but we all need to discern right from wrong, because non-decisions can be harmful, and sometimes 'harsh words' can be helpful.
"Judged the money changers and overturned their tables." Does anyone here understand the context behind this verse? I'll give you a hint: Money changers were necessary because the law required only pure silver to enter the temple. Coins came from all over the world and were made of various materials. Are we starting to get the picture yet?
If the money changers were doing business in the temple court, then impure silver was already on Temple grounds.. That service was a business that should have been transacted in another part of town. But it was more than that, they were selling over-priced flea bitten pigeons and such to profit off of visitors. Seeking to profit financially from the worship of God was what set Jesus off, they had turned the House of God into a Den of Thieves.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 21, 2024 9:24:40 GMT -5
"Judged the money changers and overturned their tables." Does anyone here understand the context behind this verse? I'll give you a hint: Money changers were necessary because the law required only pure silver to enter the temple. Coins came from all over the world and were made of various materials. Are we starting to get the picture yet?
If the money changers were doing business in the temple court, then impure silver was already on Temple grounds.. That service was a business that should have been transacted in another part of town. But it was more than that, they were selling over-priced flea bitten pigeons and such to profit off of visitors. Seeking to profit financially from the worship of God was what set Jesus off, they had turned the House of God into a Den of Thieves.
I can see why you might believe your current understanding is the whole of the subject; however, the use of pure silver in the Temple and its associated practices have specific contexts within Jewish tradition. In the Jewish tradition, silver was considered a valuable and pure metal, often used for sacred purposes. For instance, silver trumpets were used in the Temple services as described in the Torah (Numbers 10:2). Silver was also used in the construction of the Tabernacle (Mishkan) in the wilderness, which served as the prototype for the later Temple. The sockets for the boards of the Tabernacle were made of silver (Exodus 26:19). Various implements used in the Temple services were made of silver or overlaid with silver. This included certain utensils and possibly parts of the menorah (candelabrum) and the table of showbread. The Temple in Jerusalem had a distinct structure with several key areas, including the courtyard: Sanctuary (Heichal): The main building of the Temple, containing the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies. The Holy of Holies (Kodesh HaKodashim) housed the Ark of the Covenant and was the most sacred part of the Temple. Inner Court (Priestly Court): This area was accessible only to priests (Kohanim) and Levites. It contained the altar for burnt offerings, the laver (a large basin for ritual washing), and other essential elements for the sacrificial services. Outer Court (Court of Israel and Court of Women): The outer court was divided into different sections: the Court of Israel, where Jewish men could enter, and the Court of Women, where Jewish women could enter. Court of the Gentiles: This was a larger, outermost area where non-Jews could enter, but it was not considered part of the sacred Temple precincts proper. In the context of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, the courtyard (or courtyards) were indeed integral parts of the Temple complex. Each courtyard had specific rules and regulations governing who could enter and what activities could take place there: Court of the Priests: This was the closest to the Temple building itself and was used for the sacrificial rituals and other priestly duties. Court of Israel and Court of Women: These areas allowed broader access for the Jewish population to participate in religious ceremonies and offerings. Court of the Gentiles: Though part of the Temple Mount complex, this outermost courtyard had less stringent purity requirements and allowed access to non-Jews. While the inner sanctum and the priestly areas of the Temple required the highest levels of purity and might have used pure materials like silver, the courtyards were also crucial parts of the Temple complex, facilitating various aspects of worship and community gathering. The differentiation in purity requirements highlights the hierarchical nature of sacred spaces within the Temple. The Holy of Holies demanded the utmost purity, symbolizing the direct presence of the Divine and thus necessitating pure materials and strict regulations. In contrast, the outer courtyards, while still significant, served a more inclusive role, accommodating a broader spectrum of the community, including those who might not adhere to the same stringent purity standards. This approach reflects a balance between maintaining sacredness in the most holy areas and ensuring the Temple's accessibility to the wider community in the courtyards. While I didn't lay out the full story for you, I hoped you might come to your own conclusion based on a new understanding. How do you explain the money changers' riot if you realize that someone with no personal experience is writing a Jesus story without knowledge of how the Temple works? It reminds me of the Roswell story when people write about how Mac Brazel found the wreckage while driving sheep to water. This story will inevitably be found false because those with actual ranching experience know you only herd sheep for shearing or lambing. If sheep are too stupid to find the water trough by the windmill, they go thirsty. |
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Post by chuck on Jul 21, 2024 20:39:47 GMT -5
☝️ Exactly why you don't read it literally through the religious lense and then make commentary on that literal interpretation.
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Post by passingby on Aug 27, 2024 15:36:40 GMT -5
If the money changers were doing business in the temple court, then impure silver was already on Temple grounds.. That service was a business that should have been transacted in another part of town. But it was more than that, they were selling over-priced flea bitten pigeons and such to profit off of visitors. Seeking to profit financially from the worship of God was what set Jesus off, they had turned the House of God into a Den of Thieves.
I can see why you might believe your current understanding is the whole of the subject; however, the use of pure silver in the Temple and its associated practices have specific contexts within Jewish tradition. et al ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reply In light of the O.P. What % silver was judged to be pure? |
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Post by Lee on Sept 9, 2024 16:40:27 GMT -5
If the money changers were doing business in the temple court, then impure silver was already on Temple grounds.. That service was a business that should have been transacted in another part of town. But it was more than that, they were selling over-priced flea bitten pigeons and such to profit off of visitors. Seeking to profit financially from the worship of God was what set Jesus off, they had turned the House of God into a Den of Thieves.
I can see why you might believe your current understanding is the whole of the subject; however, the use of pure silver in the Temple and its associated practices have specific contexts within Jewish tradition. In the Jewish tradition, silver was considered a valuable and pure metal, often used for sacred purposes. For instance, silver trumpets were used in the Temple services as described in the Torah (Numbers 10:2). Silver was also used in the construction of the Tabernacle (Mishkan) in the wilderness, which served as the prototype for the later Temple. The sockets for the boards of the Tabernacle were made of silver (Exodus 26:19). Various implements used in the Temple services were made of silver or overlaid with silver. This included certain utensils and possibly parts of the menorah (candelabrum) and the table of showbread. The Temple in Jerusalem had a distinct structure with several key areas, including the courtyard: Sanctuary (Heichal): The main building of the Temple, containing the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies. The Holy of Holies (Kodesh HaKodashim) housed the Ark of the Covenant and was the most sacred part of the Temple. Inner Court (Priestly Court): This area was accessible only to priests (Kohanim) and Levites. It contained the altar for burnt offerings, the laver (a large basin for ritual washing), and other essential elements for the sacrificial services. Outer Court (Court of Israel and Court of Women): The outer court was divided into different sections: the Court of Israel, where Jewish men could enter, and the Court of Women, where Jewish women could enter. Court of the Gentiles: This was a larger, outermost area where non-Jews could enter, but it was not considered part of the sacred Temple precincts proper. In the context of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, the courtyard (or courtyards) were indeed integral parts of the Temple complex. Each courtyard had specific rules and regulations governing who could enter and what activities could take place there: Court of the Priests: This was the closest to the Temple building itself and was used for the sacrificial rituals and other priestly duties. Court of Israel and Court of Women: These areas allowed broader access for the Jewish population to participate in religious ceremonies and offerings. Court of the Gentiles: Though part of the Temple Mount complex, this outermost courtyard had less stringent purity requirements and allowed access to non-Jews. While the inner sanctum and the priestly areas of the Temple required the highest levels of purity and might have used pure materials like silver, the courtyards were also crucial parts of the Temple complex, facilitating various aspects of worship and community gathering. The differentiation in purity requirements highlights the hierarchical nature of sacred spaces within the Temple. The Holy of Holies demanded the utmost purity, symbolizing the direct presence of the Divine and thus necessitating pure materials and strict regulations. In contrast, the outer courtyards, while still significant, served a more inclusive role, accommodating a broader spectrum of the community, including those who might not adhere to the same stringent purity standards. This approach reflects a balance between maintaining sacredness in the most holy areas and ensuring the Temple's accessibility to the wider community in the courtyards. While I didn't lay out the full story for you, I hoped you might come to your own conclusion based on a new understanding. How do you explain the money changers' riot if you realize that someone with no personal experience is writing a Jesus story without knowledge of how the Temple works? It reminds me of the Roswell story when people write about how Mac Brazel found the wreckage while driving sheep to water. This story will inevitably be found false because those with actual ranching experience know you only herd sheep for shearing or lambing. If sheep are too stupid to find the water trough by the windmill, they go thirsty. Youre saying that Jesus was just a rabble rouser. The clearest reading of scripture is he was challenging the money-centric culture of the Pharisees. Unless, of course, he was just a schill for the Christians, whoever they were at the time. That’s what any “good” Jew would say. Who were the Christians? Read the apostles. |
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Post by Lee on Sept 9, 2024 16:48:25 GMT -5
☝️ Exactly why you don't read it literally through the religious lense and then make commentary on that literal interpretation. So we’re to read it through your putative objectivity then? Who are you / by what authority |
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Post by Lee on Sept 9, 2024 18:20:30 GMT -5
To ignore God's commands is disobedience isn't it? We are "COMMANDED to not judge others,Gossip,put others down,ungodly speach/comments,Care for the POOR,etc!! 18th of Samual v 11, "Don't retaliate hold your peace" Romans 14, V 1 . Welcome the person who is weak in faith.do not argue with him about his personal opinions. Chapter 14,v 13, So then,let us stop judging one another. Instead you should decide never to do anything that would make your brother stumble or fall into sin.. Ephesians 4 v 29, Do not use harmfull words,but only helpful words,the kind that will build up and provide what is needed so that what you say will do"good" to those who hear you. 30, Do not make God's Holy Spirit sad,for the Spirit of God's mark of ownership on you a guarantee that the day will come when God will set you free.. 31, Get rid of all bitterness passion and anger. No more shouting or insults,no more hateful feelings"of any sort" . Instead be kind and tenderhearted to one another,as God has forgiven you through Christ.. The Holy(GOD"S) Spirit is real and there to guide your mind and hand in serving Him and "others",isn't He. Commands - God expects His children to adhere to His words... The tendency of judging anyone in this world is to cycle oneself into the paradigm of this world. What is the world? It’s a farm, for demons. What are demons? Technically-superior persons without a commensurate conscience. Bob Williston won’t tell you this. The workers won’t tell you this. Why? Because they’re working for them (the demons). |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 9, 2024 18:48:53 GMT -5
To ignore God's commands is disobedience isn't it? We are "COMMANDED to not judge others,Gossip,put others down,ungodly speach/comments,Care for the POOR,etc!! 18th of Samual v 11, "Don't retaliate hold your peace" Romans 14, V 1 . Welcome the person who is weak in faith.do not argue with him about his personal opinions. Chapter 14,v 13, So then,let us stop judging one another. Instead you should decide never to do anything that would make your brother stumble or fall into sin.. Ephesians 4 v 29, Do not use harmfull words,but only helpful words,the kind that will build up and provide what is needed so that what you say will do"good" to those who hear you. 30, Do not make God's Holy Spirit sad,for the Spirit of God's mark of ownership on you a guarantee that the day will come when God will set you free.. 31, Get rid of all bitterness passion and anger. No more shouting or insults,no more hateful feelings"of any sort" . Instead be kind and tenderhearted to one another,as God has forgiven you through Christ.. The Holy(GOD"S) Spirit is real and there to guide your mind and hand in serving Him and "others",isn't He. Commands - God expects His children to adhere to His words... The tendency of judging anyone in this world is to cycle oneself into the paradigm of this world. What is the world? It’s a farm, for demons. What are demons? Technically-superior persons without a commensurate conscience. Bob Williston won’t tell you this. The workers won’t tell you this. Why? Because they’re working for them (the demons). And they're like Trump - - they don't pay for what you do for them. |
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Post by nathan2 on Sept 9, 2024 21:11:05 GMT -5
The tendency of judging anyone in this world is to cycle oneself into the paradigm of this world. What is the world? It’s a farm, for demons. What are demons? Technically-superior persons without a commensurate conscience. Bob Williston won’t tell you this. The workers won’t tell you this. Why? Because they’re working for them (the demons). And they're like Trump - - they don't pay for what you do for them. Well, if they did a half-baked jobs… Sorry, no pay. DO it right the first time, get pay. No second chance, get better people who can do the job right the first time.👍 |
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 9, 2024 23:57:42 GMT -5
And they're like Trump - - they don't pay for what you do for them. Well, if they did a half-baked jobs… Sorry, no pay. DO it right the first time, get pay. No second chance, get better people who can do the job right the first time.👍 Maybe next time, Nathan. |
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Post by chuck on Nov 26, 2024 5:54:02 GMT -5
☝️ Exactly why you don't read it literally through the religious lense and then make commentary on that literal interpretation. So we’re to read it through your putative objectivity then? Who are you / by what authority you read it through the eyes of the teller, who just happened not to be a western Christian in raised in the 20th century and the relevant culture. You don't need any authority to work that one out, just the ability to hop out of your religious box. Or as one author put it.... Have courage, don't be afraid.... you too can get out of the boat and walk on water....... |
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2024 14:26:14 GMT -5
Zionists and central bankers speak thru Chuck. He gives them the floor.
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Post by chuck on Dec 6, 2024 7:52:03 GMT -5
Zionists and central bankers speak thru Chuck. He gives them the floor. Your perception is limited, once you expand it beyond 4th century Christianity you may understand. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 6, 2024 16:26:40 GMT -5
Zionists and central bankers speak thru Chuck. He gives them the floor. Your perception is limited, once you expand it beyond 4th century Christianity you may understand. And the "Q". |
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Post by Lee on Dec 6, 2024 17:58:30 GMT -5
I’ve entertained the idea the millennium following Christs return began some time proximate to the apostles. That would explain the rebellion happening today, in keeping with the eschatology of John’s revelation.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 6, 2024 18:31:24 GMT -5
I’ve entertained the idea the millennium following Christs return began some time proximate to the apostles. That would explain the rebellion happening today, in keeping with the eschatology of John’s revelation. In that case it would be a millennium late. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 7, 2024 8:55:25 GMT -5
I don’t know if the time signatures revealed to John were/are literal or representational. The best filter IMO is the millennium has not yet begun.
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Post by chuck on Dec 9, 2024 17:52:51 GMT -5
I’ve entertained the idea the millennium following Christs return began some time proximate to the apostles. That would explain the rebellion happening today, in keeping with the eschatology of John’s revelation. In that case it would be a millennium late. I suspect you are more than right..... Revelation 1:1 [1]The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Revelation 22:20 [20]He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Shortly and quickly, yet the fundementalists are still waiting.... |
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Post by Lee on Dec 9, 2024 18:19:13 GMT -5
Paul as well as John understood the advent of the kingdom of heaven would be staged too. Fundamentalists as you deride them, merely represent those who desire the kingdom of heaven to be revealed in its manifold righteousness and glory.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2024 18:26:56 GMT -5
Paul as well as John understood the advent of the kingdom of heaven would be staged too. Fundamentalists as you deride them, merely represent those who desire the kingdom of heaven to be revealed in its manifold righteousness and glory. Paul and John could very possibly known that Jesus' coming was another telling of a previous such advent. It's fundamental to an understanding of the "christs" of world history. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 9, 2024 18:29:27 GMT -5
Here we go again.. Bob the antichrist, or instead of christ. As if he’s knows better than Paul and John. The workers do huh!
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2024 18:52:45 GMT -5
Here we go again.. Bob the antichrist, or instead of christ. As if he’s knows better than Paul and John. The workers do huh! I don't know better than Paul. Paul just didn't write the history of "christs". It's not really a secret, you know. |
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Post by Lee on Dec 9, 2024 20:02:28 GMT -5
I think we’re using the word stage or staging in different ways. You’re using it in the sense of theatre; I’m using it in the sense of succession. That is to say, both John and Paul depict the reception of this world into heaven in stages.
Through the years you’ve demonstrated yourself willing to entertain Jesus in terms of a myth. Whereas I venerate the man himself, and recognize him as being the literal leader of our world to come.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 9, 2024 23:16:31 GMT -5
I think we’re using the word stage or staging in different ways. You’re using it in the sense of theatre; I’m using it in the sense of succession. That is to say, both John and Paul depict the reception of this world into heaven in stages. Through the years you’ve demonstrated yourself willing to entertain Jesus in terms of a myth. Whereas I venerate the man himself, and recognize him as being the literal leader of our world to come. I understand what you are saying with the word stages. I don't understand the notion that this world is being received into heaven in stages. I entertain such things as you mention the say way as I entertain your thoughts in this discussion. The entertainer is not the buyer. |
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Post by chuck on Dec 10, 2024 6:07:32 GMT -5
Paul as well as John understood the advent of the kingdom of heaven would be staged too. Fundamentalists as you deride them, merely represent those who desire the kingdom of heaven to be revealed in its manifold righteousness and glory. Paul and John could very possibly known that Jesus' coming was another telling of a previous such advent. It's fundamental to an understanding of the "christs" of world history. I suspect Paul and John didn't know anything at all about Lee's Christ.... |
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