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Post by Mary on Nov 25, 2024 1:45:06 GMT -5
We were reading Romans 10 today and I saw this there. Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! I'm sorry but with Nathan there is no gospel of peace, and no glad tidings of good things. He's all hell and damnation for everyone that doesn't believe as he does, even when it's clearly shown to him that what he says isn't in the Bible. He just needs to calm down and stop judging everyone according to his own beliefs. Giving people an ultimatum doesn't generally attract believers. But Nathan was generally responding to people who mocked and demeaned Christ, wherein the gospel of peace doesn't apply. The two edged sword isn't always a delightful message, there is a downside to rejecting Christ. That said, hell fire and brimstone responses don't generally motivate people to consider a belief, in fact it turns them off. I agree that 'believe as I believe' should never be the message, especially when it includes things that can't be biblically confirmed. Encouraging people to read what Christ taught without misinterpreting or misconstruing the simple gospel message is enough. Flying to Florida tomorrow (Monday) for the holiday, so will be incommunicado for a few days.
Nathan has been abusing and demeaning people since before you came on this message board. People only started retaliating after they had had enough of how he was speaking to them. People took a lot from him without responding before you came on here. What encourages him is having someone like you or Wally supporting him. He only needs one person's support and that reinforces his behavior. He attacks and when people finally retailate he plays the victim. It was obvious that Bob had finally had enough and responded how he did ìn the end. He'd been very patient with Nathan. Chuck was verbally attacked by Nathan but Chuck did not respond back. Nathan kept on going until Chuck seems to have left. He called RT (Rosalyn) a broken record to try and stop her posting until she left. He had no reason to speak to her like he did. He gets an idea and becomes focused on that. He attacks fixit for being an elder. He does what he accuses others of doing. Nathan does not let up. Annan went a bit far but was just doing what Nathan has done to others. He calls everyone nasty names for having a different belief. Behavior speaks louder than words. His behavior was not becoming as a Christian. He causes chaos on the board. He has tried to kill the board. No doubt his behavior here reflects a wider picture of life off this board too. |
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Post by maryhig on Nov 25, 2024 2:04:07 GMT -5
We were reading Romans 10 today and I saw this there. Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! I'm sorry but with Nathan there is no gospel of peace, and no glad tidings of good things. He's all hell and damnation for everyone that doesn't believe as he does, even when it's clearly shown to him that what he says isn't in the Bible. He just needs to calm down and stop judging everyone according to his own beliefs.
Giving people an ultimatum doesn't generally attract believers. But Nathan was generally responding to people who mocked and demeaned Christ, wherein the gospel of peace doesn't apply. The two edged sword isn't always a delightful message, there is a downside to rejecting Christ. That said, hell fire and brimstone responses don't generally motivate people to consider a belief, in fact it turns them off. I agree that 'believe as I believe' should never be the message, especially when it includes things that can't be biblically confirmed. Encouraging people to read what Christ taught without misinterpreting or misconstruing the simple gospel message is enough.
Flying to Florida tomorrow (Monday) for the holiday, so will be incommunicado for a few days.
Well why did he do it to me then? I don't mock or demean Christ? And I didn't say anything about Nathan's family. The only reason Nathan did it to me was because I didn't believe as he does. And when I showed him in the Bible, that what he says isn't the truth, then that's when he turned on me. If you're all over him, then you're his best friend and you're going to heaven with him (until you disagree with him). If you don't believe as he does, then you are hell bound (according to him) And one minute you say that people shouldn't say anything when someone condemns them to hell, or is horrible to them. But you seem to think it's ok for Nathan to retaliate and personally attack them, because you make excuses for him. No it isn't ok for Nathan to do it, he should know better than that, he believes in God. As you say, when Jesus was crucified he didn't retaliate, he said father forgive them, for they know not what they do. (And he didn't say they were idiots as you have said he did) |
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2024 2:16:28 GMT -5
Are you OK maryhig? Wales has some pretty major flooding! |
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Post by fixit on Nov 25, 2024 2:17:38 GMT -5
He has tried to kill the board. I have wondered if that was his intention. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 25, 2024 2:38:45 GMT -5
Nathan is both narcissistic and seriously delusional. That's a really bad combination.
He should be on medication for his delusions because he's been feeding them for a very long time.
He's also dangerous - - he will ruin your reputation like you cannot imagine if he gets a chance.
I know all about it.
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Post by maryhig on Nov 25, 2024 3:21:19 GMT -5
Are you OK maryhig? Wales has some pretty major flooding! Hi fixit, no we are ok where we are thank you. But I feel so sorry for those who have been flooded. And there are many areas around us on flood alert, but not here at the moment. Thank you for asking. |
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Post by chuck on Nov 26, 2024 6:27:40 GMT -5
Giving people an ultimatum doesn't generally attract believers. But Nathan was generally responding to people who mocked and demeaned Christ, wherein the gospel of peace doesn't apply. The two edged sword isn't always a delightful message, there is a downside to rejecting Christ. That said, hell fire and brimstone responses don't generally motivate people to consider a belief, in fact it turns them off. I agree that 'believe as I believe' should never be the message, especially when it includes things that can't be biblically confirmed. Encouraging people to read what Christ taught without misinterpreting or misconstruing the simple gospel message is enough. Flying to Florida tomorrow (Monday) for the holiday, so will be incommunicado for a few days.
Nathan has been abusing and demeaning people since before you came on this message board. People only started retaliating after they had had enough of how he was speaking to them. People took a lot from him without responding before you came on here. What encourages him is having someone like you or Wally supporting him. He only needs one person's support and that reinforces his behavior. He attacks and when people finally retailate he plays the victim. It was obvious that Bob had finally had enough and responded how he did ìn the end. He'd been very patient with Nathan. Chuck was verbally attacked by Nathan but Chuck did not respond back. Nathan kept on going until Chuck seems to have left. He called RT (Rosalyn) a broken record to try and stop her posting until she left. He had no reason to speak to her like he did. He gets an idea and becomes focused on that. He attacks fixit for being an elder. He does what he accuses others of doing. Nathan does not let up. Annan went a bit far but was just doing what Nathan has done to others. He calls everyone nasty names for having a different belief. Behavior speaks louder than words. His behavior was not becoming as a Christian. He causes chaos on the board. He has tried to kill the board. No doubt his behavior here reflects a wider picture of life off this board too. You have to remember Nathan's brain was fried when those charlatans took advantage of him all those years ago. They literally travelled over land and sea to make him twice the child of hell they were. Hell isn't a location......it's characteristics that inhabit humans. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Nov 26, 2024 15:40:37 GMT -5
Good to see you on here again old son.....no doubt you've been lurking, and then when you saw IQ50 had been sent to the naught corner, you've popped up.
We visited your country a few weeks ago for a funeral, and gee, there's been quite an exodus from the Twobies over there in Queensland.
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Post by chuck on Nov 26, 2024 20:58:40 GMT -5
Nathan is both narcissistic and seriously delusional. That's a really bad combination. He should be on medication for his delusions because he's been feeding them for a very long time. He's also dangerous - - he will ruin your reputation like you cannot imagine if he gets a chance. I know all about it. The word "offend" or stumblingblock in the new testement comes from the Greek word Skandalon, it is essentially the trigger for a hunters trap. Nathan baits the trap when he goes around tarnishing your reputation as he effects the perception of how other see you before they've even met you. Nathans bible says this.. 1 John 2:10-11 [10]He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. [11]But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. Revelation 2:13-14 [13]I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. [14]But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Tsk tsk, the doctrine of Balaam.... |
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Post by chuck on Nov 26, 2024 21:23:03 GMT -5
Good to see you on here again old son.....no doubt you've been lurking, and then when you saw IQ50 had been sent to the naught corner, you've popped up. We visited your country a few weeks ago for a funeral, and gee, there's been quite an exodus from the Twobies over there in Queensland. IQ50 🤣. After reading some of his latest posts he's still crazy, hope he gets some help as this level of intensity must effect him and those close to him. Screw Larry Taylor and those other old guys for messing up his brain properly. They should be in Jail. Good to see you too 😉. Oh yes quite the exodus, and I suspect probably twice as many still processing everything and having their world completely turned upside down wondering what to do. I can feel their pain and despair. Makes me angry unfortunately. Sorry to hear you lost a friend(assuming here). |
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Post by Pragmatic on Nov 26, 2024 21:42:47 GMT -5
Yes in Brisbane. We met a few there who's mental state is rather scrambled thanks to the Queensland overseer and his henchmen. We feel so sorry for them.
Ahh, Larry Taylor - he of the jet setting kind. I got to see his photo album before he protected it. Mind blowing how the homeless and penniless live, traveling the world on a widow's last mite!
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Post by passingby on Nov 27, 2024 11:36:56 GMT -5
Prayer is just a fancy word for talking to yourself. So........
You may be right, but some people feel its a need or necessity to give it a try anyhow.
Also consider that an answered prayer may very well be an indication that someone is listening and that you aren't talking to yourself. Give it a try sometime, you might be surprised. Pray for belief if you can't conjure up any on your own.
Although I don't believe in the Christian or biblical God anymore, during my time working it out, drifting away, I still found prayer was a way of thinking about and considering others. Also it was a time to imagine a better world. I would think of some by name, it was a time to send good thoughts and hopes their way, with at least the possibility of a higher power beyond myself to help out. This is the good part of prayer that otherwise I probably wouldn't take the time to do. They are intentional, dedicated, prescribed time outs, to consider others. It did me good, and if I might cross their path maybe them too. Time well spent I'd say. Maybe with the reminders of this time of year, by whatever means, if it leads to the consideration of others, by whatever means, Good. I had an experience that maybe involved something like this. I'd been done a pretty significant wrong by a number of Friends. One member called afterwards with a profuse apology; but that was it. A few years later there was a gathering to which I was invited. When I showed up, I was surprised by the length and closeness of hug from a number of them, such that it made we wonder...what? I don't know, but maybe part of it was I'd been in their prayers? |
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Post by passingby on Nov 27, 2024 11:48:57 GMT -5
Regarding Nathan and the discussion above
Sticks and stone may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Ha Ha Ha
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Post by chuck on Nov 30, 2024 8:06:50 GMT -5
Yes in Brisbane. We met a few there who's mental state is rather scrambled thanks to the Queensland overseer and his henchmen. We feel so sorry for them. Ahh, Larry Taylor - he of the jet setting kind. I got to see his photo album before he protected it. Mind blowing how the homeless and penniless live, traveling the world on a widow's last mite! Yeah AM is completely removed from reality and has no ability to understand what damage he has done. Stupidly dangerous that man. Yes Larry is an actual charlatan. I have known about his album for years, people didn't believe me when I told them about it. Be nice to know his accumulated travel bill. |
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Post by Dan on Nov 30, 2024 18:33:54 GMT -5
Giving people an ultimatum doesn't generally attract believers. But Nathan was generally responding to people who mocked and demeaned Christ, wherein the gospel of peace doesn't apply. The two edged sword isn't always a delightful message, there is a downside to rejecting Christ. That said, hell fire and brimstone responses don't generally motivate people to consider a belief, in fact it turns them off. I agree that 'believe as I believe' should never be the message, especially when it includes things that can't be biblically confirmed. Encouraging people to read what Christ taught without misinterpreting or misconstruing the simple gospel message is enough. Flying to Florida tomorrow (Monday) for the holiday, so will be incommunicado for a few days.
Nathan has been abusing and demeaning people since before you came on this message board. People only started retaliating after they had had enough of how he was speaking to them. People took a lot from him without responding before you came on here. What encourages him is having someone like you or Wally supporting him. He only needs one person's support and that reinforces his behavior. He attacks and when people finally retailate he plays the victim. It was obvious that Bob had finally had enough and responded how he did ìn the end. He'd been very patient with Nathan. Chuck was verbally attacked by Nathan but Chuck did not respond back. Nathan kept on going until Chuck seems to have left. He called RT (Rosalyn) a broken record to try and stop her posting until she left. He had no reason to speak to her like he did. He gets an idea and becomes focused on that. He attacks fixit for being an elder. He does what he accuses others of doing. Nathan does not let up. Annan went a bit far but was just doing what Nathan has done to others. He calls everyone nasty names for having a different belief. Behavior speaks louder than words. His behavior was not becoming as a Christian. He causes chaos on the board. He has tried to kill the board. No doubt his behavior here reflects a wider picture of life off this board too.
Probably true, I only saw a 2-way assault, I wasn't around to know who initiated it, but it seemed mutual to me... Its not a matter of me supporting Nathan, I just happen to agree with most of his fundamental biblical understanding.
People get offended, get defensive, and then begin demeaning the offender. It happens all the time, but the infighting should be kept off the main board and limited to a selected section of the forum. When it infiltrates and pollutes the main board, I'd just prefer that the moderators move those off-topic debates (attacks) to a sub-section. Otherwise the insidious back & forth insults detract from any meaningful conversation.
Nathan has also been demeaned and called nasty names. Why? Because he has some unusual and different beliefs. As bizarre as those beliefs may seem, I just think everyone has a right to express themselves. Also consider a couple comments on this page alone; "Nathan is both narcissistic and seriously delusional. That's a really bad combination. He should be on medication for his delusions... He's also dangerous" (Bob).. "You have to remember Nathan's brain was fried" (Chuck). So you can see why I might think the abuse and demeaning commentary are mutually exchanged.
Well why did he do it to me then? I don't mock or demean Christ? And I didn't say anything about Nathan's family. The only reason Nathan did it to me was because I didn't believe as he does. And when I showed him in the Bible, that what he says isn't the truth, then that's when he turned on me. If you're all over him, then you're his best friend and you're going to heaven with him (until you disagree with him). If you don't believe as he does, then you are hell bound (according to him) And one minute you say that people shouldn't say anything when someone condemns them to hell, or is horrible to them. But you seem to think it's ok for Nathan to retaliate and personally attack them, because you make excuses for him. No it isn't ok for Nathan to do it, he should know better than that, he believes in God. As you say, when Jesus was crucified he didn't retaliate, he said father forgive them, for they know not what they do. (And he didn't say they were idiots as you have said he did)
Its true that Nathan has a somewhat crude way of disagreeing with you, mainly on the trinity and your stand on the unnecessary need for the crucifixion of Christ. Both you and he had verses to confirm your belief, but neither accepted the others point of view. When people get frustrated, that's when debates can get nasty.
I don't think Nathan meant to attack you, he just thinks your headed to hell for denying who Christ was and belittling the purpose of his sacrifice. To Nathan, it wasn't retaliating, but just a statement of fact. Jesus told the Jews, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" (John 8:44). Was Jesus attacking or retaliating against them? Or simply speaking the truth?
Its not my intent to make excuses for anyone, everyone has their own opinion. It may have seemed like I was defending Nathan, but I just happen to have agreed with him on the specific topics being discussed.
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