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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 24, 2024 14:49:37 GMT -5
But sin remains, and you agree. What will you propose to do? You assume that I agree with your concept of sin. I prefer following the laws of my country. Cross them and you will be judged in the here and now. The January six insurrectionists are finding that out right now.
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Post by Lee on Feb 24, 2024 14:52:00 GMT -5
They are, according to your evil prayers. What persuaded you to adopt the Jewish religion based in law, as opposed to a reformation of the internal person?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 24, 2024 14:55:27 GMT -5
They are, according to your evil prayers. Prayer, you must be kidding. I gave up talking to myself a long time ago.
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Post by Lee on Feb 24, 2024 14:57:54 GMT -5
You’re prevaricating and persevering like a drunken sailor now
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 24, 2024 16:15:54 GMT -5
I am saying I am NOT the only guilty one, but you and the rest of the world, the FBI should come for ALL of you posting on TMB too! For NOT reporting CSA names of workers you read on this message board for over 20 years! Jail and HELL bound for you, Annie. So you are guilty. There it is folks! Tsk tsk. What excuse will you give your god especially with your claims of being a worker? Hellbound. And you are guilty as hell And ALL of posters on TMB also! For NOT reporting CSA you all have heard and read on here/TMB, jail house and Hell bound eternity for you, Annie. Annie, you love to point your finger at me, but 4 fingers are pointing back at you guilty as hell. Stop being a self-righteous Pharisee Jew! Please.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 24, 2024 16:20:12 GMT -5
You’re revealing your ignorance, and or willingness to participate in the controlled operation of satan. While government has the imprimatur of Jesus, not everything done in governments name obeys Jesus. In fact, government arguably occupies the same position as religious authority. Do you suppose Satan would not thought to infiltrate? Amen! bro. These ignorance atheists fools think they are so smart, Satan plays them like a yoyo! King David said, The fool has said in his heart, there is no God… Satan got Curly, by the ball$ so to speak but he doesn’t know it, yet. What a fool, he is. A believer turned to atheist! A dog returns eating its vomit. Dumb doggy.
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Post by bfvernon on Feb 24, 2024 16:35:39 GMT -5
Nathan - MOST OF US ON HERE DO NOT EVEN READ YOUR POSTS. THEY ARE NONSENSE. WE WORKED THAT OUT YEARS AGO. FIND A NEW HOBBY.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 24, 2024 16:57:47 GMT -5
Nathan - MOST OF US ON HERE DO NOT EVEN READ YOUR POSTS. THEY ARE NONSENSE. WE WORKED THAT OUT YEARS AGO. FIND A NEW HOBBY. That is OK Bf, you are entitled to your opinion! It seems you have been reading otherwise you wouldn’t post, now. I heard from my field workers, the friends she KNOWS appreciate reading my posts. I KNOW for sure many exes don’t like it, because hearing the truth hurts, but some enjoy reading my postssuch as Dan, Lee, and others for 20 years. Beauty is in the eye of beholder, you know. There are hundreds, thousands come and read monthly…. They might like what I write so who KNOWS, Bf. You have your hobby and I have mine so, both of us are happy campers.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 24, 2024 17:09:34 GMT -5
The apostle Doubting Thomas, said he didn’t believe Jesus had risen from the dead. Jesus appeared to him and said Thomas, come and touch my wounds and he did then he said to Jesus “You are My Lord and God!” You're changing the scripture again Nate... John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God you are My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. Hey! Fixit…. Jesus is the Son of God, wouldn’t that put him in the same Godhead as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit Acts 5 ? You anti-Trinity are unbelievable, The answers are right in front of you and you can’t see and understand it. How blind can you be?
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Post by Dan on Feb 24, 2024 17:49:11 GMT -5
I'm not talking about anyone but you, Natie. Your attempts at deflection are very telling. No excuse for not contacting the FBI about what you know. Perhaps someone should alert them your way. Hellbound.
In most cases, only a victim and their accused assailant know anything. The FBI and law enforcement aren't interested in hearsay, they need to hear directly from the person who was victimized. Anything reported by bystanders or those who allegedly 'heard' something, would not be considered valid evidence of any crime having occurred, so non-eyewitnesses would not be enough to initiate an investigation.
The blame game of who should have reported an incident isn't applicable to anyone who saw and knows nothing for certain, because it would accomplish nothing. All any Worker or Friend could effectively do is encourage a victim to report the crime themselves. That is what they are apparently doing now... Better late than never.
It all seems easy in hindsight, but no one wants to get the reputation of a gossiper who tattletales about every unfounded accusation they hear about. Just curious, if you were a head Worker or Overseer and someone claimed they were molested, what steps would you take if the accuser refused to go to the police? Condemn someone who might be innocent? Or separate the accused from the accuser? Those were the only 2 choices available in many of these cases.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 24, 2024 18:24:54 GMT -5
I'm not talking about anyone but you, Natie. Your attempts at deflection are very telling. No excuse for not contacting the FBI about what you know. Perhaps someone should alert them your way. Hellbound.
In most cases, only a victim and their accused assailant know anything. The FBI and law enforcement aren't interested in hearsay, they need to hear directly from the person who was victimized. Anything reported by bystanders or those who allegedly 'heard' something, would not be considered valid evidence of any crime having occurred, so non-eyewitnesses would not be enough to initiate an investigation.
The blame game of who should have reported an incident isn't applicable to anyone who saw and knows nothing for certain, because it would accomplish nothing. All any Worker or Friend could effectively do is encourage a victim to report the crime themselves. That is what they are apparently doing now... Better late than never.
It all seems easy in hindsight, but no one wants to get the reputation of a gossiper who tattletales about every unfounded accusation they hear about. Just curious, if you were a head Worker or Overseer and someone claimed they were molested, what steps would you take if the accuser refused to go to the police? Condemn someone who might be innocent? Or separate the accused from the accuser? Those were the only 2 choices available in many of these cases.
Annie, is taken over the title “Queen of broken record” from RT. Whatever happened to RT? Annie carry on the torch of RT the “Queen of the broken record” Repeating the same thing over and over when I already answered her so many times on the same question! she must NOT read our answered to her. Annie will repeat the question again after she read yours, Dan. Good post, again.
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Post by snow on Feb 24, 2024 18:39:52 GMT -5
Everyone that knows anything about instances where they can prove that the workers have power over the friends and have a huge amount of control should be contacting the FBI. They don't just want to hear about the CSA, though that is their focus, but how the group is run, who controls it etc. The Alberta excommunications should be told to the FBI because it gives them a clearer picture of just what the overseers and senior workers have done, the power they have and their ability to control. The letter from Dale Shultz to the friends saying that the friends needed to listen to the workers even if they were wrong is another thing that should be in their hands. All of this gives the FBI the big picture of just how much power the workers have. The workers have traditionally downplayed their power, their status etc when dealing with law enforcement. They lied and we all know exactly how much they control, how their word is law regarding convention grounds etc. They have kicked people out. So when they say they don't have anymore control than the average 'friend' that's a blatant lie. Anyone that knows anything that enables law enforcement to get a clear picture of the systemic abuse and level of control should report it imo. Anyone that was once a worker knows just how much they were controlled by their senior worker companion and the overseers. Report what you know. I can see where you're coming from, but that isn't illegal, and while it may help them understand why things haven't been reported, it doesn't excuse it. Do you think they'd really be interested in that level of minutiae? Did you listen to the zoom meeting I posted a link too? They want whatever you have and they will decide if it's something they can use. Don't self filter, report and let them decide if it helps is what they said over and over in the zoom.
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Post by Annan on Feb 24, 2024 19:32:31 GMT -5
In most cases, only a victim and their accused assailant know anything. The FBI and law enforcement aren't interested in hearsay, they need to hear directly from the person who was victimized. Anything reported by bystanders or those who allegedly 'heard' something, would not be considered valid evidence of any crime having occurred, so non-eyewitnesses would not be enough to initiate an investigation. The blame game of who should have reported an incident isn't applicable to anyone who saw and knows nothing for certain, because it would accomplish nothing. All any Worker or Friend could effectively do is encourage a victim to report the crime themselves. That is what they are apparently doing now... Better late than never. It all seems easy in hindsight, but no one wants to get the reputation of a gossiper who tattletales about every unfounded accusation they hear about. Just curious, if you were a head Worker or Overseer and someone claimed they were molested, what steps would you take if the accuser refused to go to the police? Condemn someone who might be innocent? Or separate the accused from the accuser? Those were the only 2 choices available in many of these cases.
Annie, is taken over the title “Queen of broken record” from RT. Whatever happened to RT? Annie carry on the torch of RT the “Queen of the broken record” Repeating the same thing over and over when I already answered her so many times on the same question! she must NOT read our answered to her. Annie will repeat the question again after she read yours, Dan. Good post, again. No, Natie, you did not answer my question. Why haven't you contacted the FBI about what you know about CSA in the cult. Artful dodger.
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Post by Annan on Feb 24, 2024 19:34:24 GMT -5
So you are guilty. There it is folks! Tsk tsk. What excuse will you give your god especially with your claims of being a worker? Hellbound. And you are guilty as hell And ALL of posters on TMB also! For NOT reporting CSA you all have heard and read on here/TMB, jail house and Hell bound eternity for you, Annie. Annie, you love to point your finger at me, but 4 fingers are pointing back at you guilty as hell. Stop being a self-righteous Pharisee Jew! Please. I love how you worry about me so much, Natie. Time for you to worry about yourself. When are you going to report what you know about CSA in the cult to the FBI? Let me rephrase the question... Why won't you report CSA to the FBI? Hellbound.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 24, 2024 19:43:10 GMT -5
Annie, is taken over the title “Queen of broken record” from RT. Whatever happened to RT? Annie carry on the torch of RT the “Queen of the broken record” Repeating the same thing over and over when I already answered her so many times on the same question! she must NOT read our answered to her. Annie will repeat the question again after she read yours, Dan. Good post, again. No, Natie, you did not answer my question. Why haven't you contacted the FBI about what you know about CSA in the cult. Artful dodger. Because, I didn’t know hardly any case about CSA, when I was in the work and still don’t. I am out of a loop Let me ask you this why, haven’t you report to the police with so many posts on here mention so and so workers were accused of CSA for years. Have you report anyone, Annie? Jail time and hell bound for you the Queen dodger! You are a hard core anti-2x2 why, didn’t you report these rumors to the police? Why, didn’t you report Cherie K? To the police She knows than most 2x2 about CSA for over 30 years. How about the old and New TMB Adm. and their moderators who knows and read all kinds of so and so workers might be CSA abusers workers for 20 years that is a long time. Did you report them to the police, Annie? Jail time and hell bound for you, the Queen of dodger.
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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2024 20:02:09 GMT -5
Hey! Fixit…. Jesus is the Son of God, wouldn’t that put him in the same Godhead as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit Acts 5 ? Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 24, 2024 20:13:05 GMT -5
Hey! Fixit…. Jesus is the Son of God, wouldn’t that put him in the same Godhead as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit Acts 5 ? Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Well, when we are the sons of God, doesn’t that make us on the same level as the Godhead= God the Father, Christ our God and Savior and God the Holy Spirit?
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Post by Annan on Feb 24, 2024 20:14:27 GMT -5
No, Natie, you did not answer my question. Why haven't you contacted the FBI about what you know about CSA in the cult. Artful dodger. Because, I didn’t know hardly any case about CSA, when I was in the work and still don’t. I am out of a loop Let me ask you this why, haven’t you report to the police with so many posts on here mention so and so workers were accused of CSA for years. Have you report anyone, Annie? Jail time and hell bound for you the Queen dodger! You are a hard core anti-2x2 why, didn’t you report these rumors to the police? Why, didn’t you report Cherie K? To the police She knows than most 2x2 about CSA for over 30 years. How about the old and New TMB Adm. and their moderators who knows and read all kinds of so and so workers might be CSA abusers workers for 20 years that is a long time. Did you report them to the police, Annie? Jail time and hell bound for you, the Queen of dodger. Why won't YOU report all you have read here about CSA, Natie? I doubt your god will buy your excuses, Natie. Artful Dodger. Hell bound.
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Post by snow on Feb 24, 2024 20:21:07 GMT -5
I'm not talking about anyone but you, Natie. Your attempts at deflection are very telling. No excuse for not contacting the FBI about what you know. Perhaps someone should alert them your way. Hellbound. In most cases, only a victim and their accused assailant know anything. The FBI and law enforcement aren't interested in hearsay, they need to hear directly from the person who was victimized. Anything reported by bystanders or those who allegedly 'heard' something, would not be considered valid evidence of any crime having occurred, so non-eyewitnesses would not be enough to initiate an investigation. The blame game of who should have reported an incident isn't applicable to anyone who saw and knows nothing for certain, because it would accomplish nothing. All any Worker or Friend could effectively do is encourage a victim to report the crime themselves. That is what they are apparently doing now... Better late than never. It all seems easy in hindsight, but no one wants to get the reputation of a gossiper who tattletales about every unfounded accusation they hear about. Just curious, if you were a head Worker or Overseer and someone claimed they were molested, what steps would you take if the accuser refused to go to the police? Condemn someone who might be innocent? Or separate the accused from the accuser? Those were the only 2 choices available in many of these cases.
This is true to a point. Even Cynthia, Dr. Bolin and Lauren giving their list to the FBI is just hearsay. The survivors need to report themselves. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't give them a name if you know about a case though. The FBI have the names of all the over 700 abusers from AFTT. It gives them something to work with when they want to know who to talk to among the workers and overseers about what they know. So don't self filter, report what you know and let them decide if it's something they can work with.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 24, 2024 20:22:41 GMT -5
Because, I didn’t know hardly any case about CSA, when I was in the work and still don’t. I am out of a loop Let me ask you this why, haven’t you report to the police with so many posts on here mention so and so workers were accused of CSA for years. Have you report anyone, Annie? Jail time and hell bound for you the Queen dodger! You are a hard core anti-2x2 why, didn’t you report these rumors to the police? Why, didn’t you report Cherie K? To the police She knows than most 2x2 about CSA for over 30 years. How about the old and New TMB Adm. and their moderators who knows and read all kinds of so and so workers might be CSA abusers workers for 20 years that is a long time. Did you report them to the police, Annie? Jail time and hell bound for you, the Queen of dodger. Why won't YOU report all you have read here about CSA, Natie? I doubt your god will buy your excuses, Natie. Artful Dodger. Hell bound. And WHY, didn’t you? Report to the police And the rest of TMB Adm. , the moderators and thousands and thousands of readers on TMB? What is the hold up? How come you haven’t report it, yet Annie, Queen of broken record dodger! Jail and hell bound.
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Post by snow on Feb 24, 2024 21:01:52 GMT -5
Why won't YOU report all you have read here about CSA, Natie? I doubt your god will buy your excuses, Natie. Artful Dodger. Hell bound. And WHY, didn’t you? Report to the police And the rest of TMB Adm. , the moderators and thousands and thousands of readers on TMB? What is the hold up? How come you haven’t report it, yet Annie, Queen of broken record dodger! Jail and hell bound. The difference is that people who knew about it in real life are in a different category from anyone who only read about it. FBI need the story from the survivors or people that were involved. If anyone knows about a case that wasn't just something they read, letting the FBI know about it would be helpful for them to put one more piece in the puzzle. But in your case if the perpetrator was not in the 2x2 group, it's probably not relevant to the investigation. Wouldn't it be nice if all the workers and overseers that are on the AFTT list of predators would come forward and turn themselves over to the FBI? You'd think that would be the actions of someone that says they have repented wouldn't you? You aren't seeing that, so a lot of workers aren't honest and are just blowing hot air when they say they have repented.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 24, 2024 22:04:36 GMT -5
And WHY, didn’t you? Report to the police And the rest of TMB Adm. , the moderators and thousands and thousands of readers on TMB? What is the hold up? How come you haven’t report it, yet Annie, Queen of broken record dodger! Jail and hell bound. The difference is that people who knew about it in real life are in a different category from anyone who only read about it. FBI need the story from the survivors or people that were involved. If anyone knows about a case that wasn't just something they read, letting the FBI know about it would be helpful for them to put one more piece in the puzzle. But in your case if the perpetrator was not in the 2x2 group, it's probably not relevant to the investigation. Wouldn't it be nice if all the workers and overseers that are on the AFTT list of predators would come forward and turn themselves over to the FBI? You'd think that would be the actions of someone that says they have repented wouldn't you? You aren't seeing that, so a lot of workers aren't honest and are just blowing hot air when they say they have repented. Some of the older workers are going to die in prison.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 24, 2024 22:43:43 GMT -5
And WHY, didn’t you? Report to the police And the rest of TMB Adm. , the moderators and thousands and thousands of readers on TMB? What is the hold up? How come you haven’t report it, yet Annie, Queen of broken record dodger! Jail and hell bound. The difference is that people who knew about it in real life are in a different category from anyone who only read about it. FBI need the story from the survivors or people that were involved. If anyone knows about a case that wasn't just something they read, letting the FBI know about it would be helpful for them to put one more piece in the puzzle. But in your case if the perpetrator was not in the 2x2 group, it's probably not relevant to the investigation. Wouldn't it be nice if all the workers and overseers that are on the AFTT list of predators would come forward and turn themselves over to the FBI? You'd think that would be the actions of someone that says they have repented wouldn't you? You aren't seeing that, so a lot of workers aren't honest and are just blowing hot air when they say they have repented. I hope and pray the overseers, the workers, the friends will assist the FBI to expose and get rid off CSA in the ministry and fellowship to bring them to justice. Repent or NOT is up to the abusers, they must pay for their crimes against the children. The 2x2 overseers must eliminate/ No tolerance CSA within the ministry and fellowship so the children of the friends feel save when they attend the meetings, and when the workers stay in the friends homes.
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Post by fixit on Feb 24, 2024 23:00:35 GMT -5
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Well, when we are the sons of God, doesn’t that make us on the same level as the Godhead= God the Father, Christ our God and Savior and God the Holy Spirit? So now you'll talk about multiplicity rather than trinity?
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 25, 2024 0:14:09 GMT -5
Well, when we are the sons of God, doesn’t that make us on the same level as the Godhead= God the Father, Christ our God and Savior and God the Holy Spirit? So now you'll talk about multiplicity rather than trinity? Can you simplify so, I can understand what you are trying to say.
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Post by fixit on Feb 25, 2024 2:28:23 GMT -5
You're changing the scripture again Nate... John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God you are My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. Hey! Fixit…. Jesus is the Son of God, wouldn’t that put him in the same Godhead as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit Acts 5 ? You anti-Trinity are unbelievable, The answers are right in front of you and you can’t see and understand it. How blind can you be? Son of God is not the same as God. All who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God. Godhead in the bible does not equate to trinity. Look it up in a Strongs or Youngs dictionary.
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Post by nathan2 on Feb 25, 2024 3:07:12 GMT -5
Hey! Fixit…. Jesus is the Son of God, wouldn’t that put him in the same Godhead as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit Acts 5 ? You anti-Trinity are unbelievable, The answers are right in front of you and you can’t see and understand it. How blind can you be? Son of God is not the same as God. All who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God. Godhead in the bible does not equate to trinity. Look it up in a Strongs or Youngs dictionary. You are still in the middle school understanding of the Godhead after 20 years? This is pathetic for a 2x2 elder. You are still eating baby foods, all these years, you should pass this stage by now…. Just like woman at the well second stage when she recognized Jesus a prophet! And NOT the Messiah, yet. It’s very simple to understand, fixit. The Godhead consists of God the Father, the Most high God, Christ the Lord God our Savior who died for our sins and God the Holy Spirit our Teacher, Guide and Protector until Jesus returns. God the Father, Christ God, and Holy Spirit God= The Godhead/Triune God or the Trinity/Three are ONE in Harmony, Unity and Divine Love. Each Divine/Supreme being is God; the Father is God, the Son is God; and the Holy Spirit is also called God. God the Father is the MOST high of the Trinity; Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity; and the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity/Triune God. I Cor 15 it says the Son/2nd Person of the Trinity will be subjected to God the Father once He had ruled and reigned 1000 years His True believers in the Universe.
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Post by fixit on Feb 25, 2024 3:44:34 GMT -5
Son of God is not the same as God. All who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God. Godhead in the bible does not equate to trinity. Look it up in a Strongs or Youngs dictionary. You are still in the middle school understanding of the Godhead after 20 years? This is pathetic for a 2x2 elder. You are still eating baby foods, all these years, you should pass this stage by now…. Just like woman at the well second stage when she recognized Jesus a prophet! And NOT the Messiah, yet. It’s very simple to understand, fixit. The Godhead consists of God the Father, the Most high God, Christ the Lord God our Savior who died for our sins and God the Holy Spirit our Teacher, Guide and Protector until Jesus returns. God the Father, Christ God, and Holy Spirit God= The Godhead/Triune God or the Trinity/Three are ONE in Harmony, Unity and Divine Love. Each Divine/Supreme being is God; the Father is God, the Son is God; and the Holy Spirit is also called God. God the Father is the MOST high of the Trinity; Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity; and the Holy Spirit is the third Person of the Trinity/Triune God. I Cor 15 it says the Son/2nd Person of the Trinity will be subjected to God the Father once He had ruled and reigned 1000 years His True believers in the Universe. 'Twas life I got not theory Nate. Vain creeds of men are sure to fail.
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