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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 18:45:19 GMT -5
Who paid Bruer's bills? They would have some knowledge of the frequency of visits to motels. Ditto for phone bills. There are other lines of enquiry to follow as well. I suspect there will be people who may well be pooping their pants about now. Overseers (and many other workers) now have their own bank cards. In the US you can also have a checking account card that can also be used for credit card charges. So he would have no problem using hotels, or airline tickets, as long as the money was in his account.
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2023 18:50:03 GMT -5
Just so you know the laptop and phone were handed in by the workers to the Oregon Sheriff's office. Where’d you find that….online? I don’t see it on the Clackamas County Sheriffs website. Wondering where you got that from. From the private investigator that is responsible for having the workers hand over the computer to authorities. It was the disclosure of the letter to many exes that contacted family about the letter that finally got the head workers to turn over the laptop to the police. They couldn't hide it anymore from the friends because too many had received the letter. What I just posted is not on the Clackamas County website but is a recommendation from the Sheriffs office to get the contact information out to the friends and ex 2x2's because they don't have a list of all the members. This will make the information available to those who need it faster so those who might have information and/or are victims can have the numbers to call for help or give information. If you have any doubts I would suggest you get a hold of the Clackamas Sheriff's department using the numbers given to make sure it's a real case if you still have doubts that this is really happening.
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2023 18:56:49 GMT -5
That was actually the point I was trying to make. Wally said that the letter didn't say 'don't share' and I asked him if he had seen it then. Obviously he hasn't so that supports the post that said it wasn't shared with everyone. It wasn't. Wally hasn't seen it. Case closed. A truly transparent system who have sent emails to everyone in that part of the US first and foremost and then to any jurisdictions he might have been. Since there were quite a few I would say that complete disclosure would take some time, but the western states members should have had it immediately. I know everyone has their addresses in the workers hands if not email addresses and phone numbers. The letter was posted HERE and on WINGS it did NOT come through normal public channels from any other source for WA. You're initial response to someone that said it wasn't shared with everyone was this "The letter never states not to share...So what are you reading that's not there?" I responded to your post asking you if you'd see the letter, that it had been shared with you by your elder. The answer is no so just because it doesn't tell anyone not to share it, it obviously wasn't shared with all the members in Western Canada where there could possibly be people that would need to know the information and be impacted in some way by it. From what I heard, elders in some places were given it to read and then hand it back to the worker. But a copy got into the hands of someone that did share it. The point is you didn't get it shared with you and if it was something that they wanted to be transparent about like the letter says, you and everyone else should have had a chance to see it. Don't you think?
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Post by rudyw on Mar 25, 2023 18:57:49 GMT -5
Where’d you find that….online? I don’t see it on the Clackamas County Sheriffs website. Wondering where you got that from. From the private investigator that is responsible for having the workers hand over the computer to authorities. It was the disclosure of the letter to many exes that contacted family about the letter that finally got the head workers to turn over the laptop to the police. They couldn't hide it anymore from the friends because too many had received the letter. What I just posted is not on the Clackamas County website but is a recommendation from the Sheriffs office to get the contact information out to the friends and ex 2x2's because they don't have a list of all the members. This will make the information available to those who need it faster so those who might have information and/or are victims can have the numbers to call for help or give information. If you have any doubts I would suggest you get a hold of the Clackamas Sheriff's department using the numbers given to make sure it's a real case if you still have doubts that this is really happening. Thanks, Snow. I’m going to call them on Monday.
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Post by rudyw on Mar 25, 2023 19:15:16 GMT -5
From the private investigator that is responsible for having the workers hand over the computer to authorities. It was the disclosure of the letter to many exes that contacted family about the letter that finally got the head workers to turn over the laptop to the police. They couldn't hide it anymore from the friends because too many had received the letter. What I just posted is not on the Clackamas County website but is a recommendation from the Sheriffs office to get the contact information out to the friends and ex 2x2's because they don't have a list of all the members. This will make the information available to those who need it faster so those who might have information and/or are victims can have the numbers to call for help or give information. If you have any doubts I would suggest you get a hold of the Clackamas Sheriff's department using the numbers given to make sure it's a real case if you still have doubts that this is really happening. Thanks, Snow. I’m going to call them on Monday. I went ahead and called right away instead of waiting. All they would tell me was that it’s a real case number, but that the case isn’t ‘approved yet’ (whatever that means) and the officer wouldn’t disclose any information.
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 25, 2023 19:29:27 GMT -5
By the sounds of it many sister workers are stepping up. I vaguely recall that Bruer attended NZ and OZ conventions. Which makes me wonder whether he offended here. His offending seems to be a lot like that other cult leader in Waco. I wonder if you remember worker Cliff Wills? He was certainly helping himself to junior sister workers.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2023 19:44:27 GMT -5
I vaguely recall that Bruer attended NZ and OZ conventions. Which makes me wonder whether he offended here. His offending seems to be a lot like that other cult leader in Waco. I wonder if you remember worker Cliff Wills? He was certainly helping himself to junior sister workers. I do but did not know he was. I know of one that used to visit a mens toilet in Auckland for the rent boys that hung out there. Luckily he wasn't transvestite so it was ok. I also know of more than one female lesbian worker and one or two other dodgy characters. If it's consensual between adults I don't care what they do.
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Post by verna on Mar 25, 2023 19:59:43 GMT -5
Thanks, Snow. I’m going to call them on Monday. I went ahead and called right away instead of waiting. All they would tell me was that it’s a real case number, but that the case isn’t ‘approved yet’ (whatever that means) and the officer wouldn’t disclose any information. That makes sense. It was only reported to the police a couple of days ago.
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Post by rudyw on Mar 25, 2023 20:13:31 GMT -5
I went ahead and called right away instead of waiting. All they would tell me was that it’s a real case number, but that the case isn’t ‘approved yet’ (whatever that means) and the officer wouldn’t disclose any information. That makes sense. It was only reported to the police a couple of days ago. Yes, it makes sense. At least I now know it’s an actual case number.
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Post by verna on Mar 25, 2023 20:24:01 GMT -5
That makes sense. It was only reported to the police a couple of days ago. Yes, it makes sense. At least I now know it’s an actual case number. Kudos to for you for checking!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 21:00:55 GMT -5
So, my own verifying adventure. I suggest everyone verify this on your own, it's the only right and rational thing to do instead of going by something spread on the internet.
Contacted my 2 locals on this. 1 responded quite quickly and thoroughly the other is 2000 miles away.
The Letter is legit.
Who posted it to the internet is unknown.
The Letter was meant for EVERYONE in Oregon but was sent to elders to read to their respective churches, no options on this. So, I was 1/2 right and 1/2 wrong.
The Letter has been shared with multiple states how many is unclear and at least Canada, unknown if other countries are included.
How every area is addressing it is unknown.
WA/ID/AK all workers and elders know of it the laity do not, when I said there was there was no word there has been no word. That may change on Sunday Phone calls are starting to come in.
They needed to get on Deans computer and cell to get Truth/2x2 info from it, they then discovered it. When, has not been shared. They told the Oregon Police as required nothing appears hidden.
I have no info on if a cell phone was wiped and handed off. Nor as someone "heard" that elders refused to read the letter to their church.
(Looked it up myself) There is NO LEGAL requirement to tell anyone other than the Police of abuse except for some states require telling the HEAD of the organization it happened under.(i'm not a lawyer look it up your damn self). Whether that's the over overseers or just that state the crime took place in overseer is not apparent. WA state, There is NO LEGAL requirement for a reporter to even tell a parent about them reporting to LE their child has reported abuse. The obvious reason is the parent(s) may be the abuser(s). It may be the same for other states or not. So, reporting to anyone else besides LE is a VERY MORAL obligation not a legal one. (i'm not a lawyer look it up your damn self).
I could find nothing on whether the LE agency takes over and tells other agencies during the investigation or if the reporter must tell every agency other than just the state they are in.
There is nothing I could find either that suggests one must report a report of a report of a report of a report that was reported to authorities etc etc...see what I am getting at? If you know different, then speak the hxll up.
I have no idea whether other countries do the same or not. I would suspect they are similar in some ways and not in others.
For US folks findlaw.com is a good resource.
EDIT: forgot to mention, 5 victims came forward, 3 were actually physically hurt, 2 were threatened but said no to advances....
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Post by fixit on Mar 25, 2023 21:10:17 GMT -5
shut the f up . You are a disgusting human being May your god have mercy on your soul . Try to REMEMBER THERE CAN BE 100’s COMING FORWARD ! Stop using your WISDOM ASS WIPE if you have any . I am focusing on the victims and working with law enforcement today . Better things to do other than adding your name to an offender list ,because you are hurting many ! "At one point" won't do a bit of good... What age are you ? My great grandkids have a better education than you ! Seriously dude go for a long walk ! There are obviously serious reasons you were not acceptable to be a worker and it shows on here . Oh nap time again As worker’s list are being reviewed today . Plus travels of Dean ! Seek some help... You sure won't get help from our resident "internet worker".
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 21:28:39 GMT -5
UPDATE * 110 perpetrators have been named so far from the 2x2 community. This group is making a difference in bringing these ugly abuses to light and your voice matters. - Doyle and the workers now have legal representation and intend to set up a fund for victims.
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 25, 2023 21:39:11 GMT -5
UPDATE * 110 perpetrators have been named so far from the 2x2 community. This group is making a difference in bringing these ugly abuses to light and your voice matters. - Doyle and the workers now have legal representation and intend to set up a fund for victims. I know of one 2x2 pedo in my hometown that paid his victim out $5000 to keep quiet, yet maintains his continued innocence to her family. Go figure.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 21:43:34 GMT -5
Remember the golden rule , don’t tell , don’t ask . That is truly disgusting 🤢
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2023 21:43:57 GMT -5
UPDATE * 110 perpetrators have been named so far from the 2x2 community. This group is making a difference in bringing these ugly abuses to light and your voice matters. - Doyle and the workers now have legal representation and intend to set up a fund for victims. I know of one 2x2 pedo in my hometown that paid his victim out $5000 to keep quiet, yet maintains his continued innocence to her family. Go figure. I remember hearing about an elder from that area who used to go to the hot pools with the young people. The girls said he had wandering hands. Surname began with Ba from memory. Was that the same chap. This would have been 1970s or 80s
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 21:45:07 GMT -5
My I ask location ? Will be helpful . You can message if you want
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 21:48:48 GMT -5
You sure won't get help from our resident "internet worker". That would be Nathan, I'm the watchman...diversity is best right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 21:51:41 GMT -5
Wingsfortruth.info lists 26 where is this other list of 110?
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 25, 2023 22:13:39 GMT -5
I know of one 2x2 pedo in my hometown that paid his victim out $5000 to keep quiet, yet maintains his continued innocence to her family. Go figure. I remember hearing about an elder from that area who used to go to the hot pools with the young people. The girls said he had wandering hands. Surname began with Ba from memory. Was that the same chap. This would have been 1970s or 80s Oh, F.B, it's not him I'm talking about, but yeah, that was a thing with him apparently.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2023 22:15:25 GMT -5
I remember hearing about an elder from that area who used to go to the hot pools with the young people. The girls said he had wandering hands. Surname began with Ba from memory. Was that the same chap. This would have been 1970s or 80s Oh, F.B, it's not him I'm talking about, but yeah, that was a thing with him apparently. That's the fella.
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 25, 2023 22:17:39 GMT -5
Oh, F.B, it's not him I'm talking about, but yeah, that was a thing with him apparently. That's the fella. Why nobody including my sister screamed blue murder is beyond me.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 22:22:18 GMT -5
Wingsfortruth.info lists 26 where is this other list of 110? it is a site , where you can’t participate . Sorry about that , you don’t have the criteria required , I would not especially share with you Wally . I won’t share it for various reasons . I am not a rat , loose lips sink tall ships 🚢
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2023 22:30:23 GMT -5
Why nobody including my sister screamed blue murder is beyond me. I heard that one young woman's boyfriend went round to see Fiddler Fr... and threatened to turn his face to pulp. That would have been hard to explain for him.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 22:36:28 GMT -5
Dean Bruer The late Dean Eldon Bruer was a sexual predator. Virtual Memorial Gatherings has voluntarily removed his memorial tribute posted here and we provide the following information.
A case has been opened by the Clackamas County Sherriff, 9101 SE Sunnybrook Blvd, Clackamas, OR 97015, United States
Case Number: 23-006111
Phone Number: 503-655-8211
Resources published by the US Department of Health & Human Services Child Welfare Information Gateway:
Child Sexual Abuse
Darkness to Light Phone: 866.FOR.LIGHT (866.367.5444) People They Help: Children and adults needing local information or resources about sexual abuse
Rape/Incest
Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network (RAINN) Phone: 800.656.HOPE (800.656.4673) People They Help: Rape and incest victims, media, policymakers, concerned individuals
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Post by chuck on Mar 25, 2023 22:52:54 GMT -5
And here's a funny thing. I'm not a worker in fact I'm not even a 2x2, i don't worship any kind of god, and yet I'm in a far better position to recieve eternal awesomeness than this senior worker and regional overseer due to my own personal values an subsequent behavoiur. Tribal right of salvation!! It seems to me the tribe is still handing children over to Molech...
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Post by chuck on Mar 25, 2023 22:54:11 GMT -5
What we are witnessing is the result of celibacy.....
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 23:12:20 GMT -5
What we are witnessing is the result of celibacy..... This is complicated. First they do away with married workers because it was an inconvenience. But it remains a calling that is attractive to anyone who doesn't come to terms with his/her sexuality.
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