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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 17:18:54 GMT -5
You are confused, Dean was never an overseer in WA State that I remember. It was TS, ES, SH and MH since at least as far back 1979. Do better research before you spew. Scientist. I'm sorry. Dean was in the neighbouring state so it wouldn't have concerned you. Just across the Columbia River -- sister jurisdictions.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 17:26:05 GMT -5
Wally is not hiding or barricading himself from any of this. If it’s a fact he’ll acknowledge it. Have some compassion, Verna. Dean Bruer’s crimes are not something to rub another person’s face. It’s a crime and a tragedy. Not something to gloat over. No it’s not something to gloat over, but it is the inevitable result of judging a person’s worth by their religious performance. And the system and performers which 2x2’s worship is largely based around issues which don’t matter a fig in determining the real content of a person’s character. It’s well said in scripture, “By their fruits you shall know them”. Exactly.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 17:29:46 GMT -5
This isn't a court of law -- this is the secret gossiping 2x2 family talking. Does that matter? Gossip trumps law? Yes, when you're looking for fake news!!! Go to the source, which would be the workers.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 17:30:40 GMT -5
Who cares? I'm not prosecuting you. Really? Your last few posts seem to be rather accusatory... Yes -- of you for your arrogance.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 17:43:17 GMT -5
Paedophilia is a diagnosed psychiatric disorder, not a crime and not a sin. Child sexual abuse is both a crime and a sin. Neither paedophilia or child sexual abuse are crimes either in statute or common law. Both behaviours encompass criminal behaviours when acted upon and are categorised by statute and common laws (depending on country, etc). I get what you are saying about paedophilia, but your understanding is no different to a person who commits murder whilst insane. It's still murder but the medical condition has to be taken into account. Paedophilia is not a crime -- it is not an act. CSA is an act, and is a crime. Murder is always an act. In all cases, mental and medical conditions MAY (and may not) apply, depending on the statutes. The Dean case will have no consequences for Dean. The problem for people now is that the case reveals just how much ONE PERSON can hide from SO MANY people for SO LONG. It implies that ANYTHING IMAGINABLE can be hidden by an awful lot of people in whom full TRUST of TRUTH has been established.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 17:45:23 GMT -5
Have ya ever heard of Adam and Eve? Moses? King David? Solomon? Judas? Ananias and Sapphira? Lots of people commit sins knowing full well the consequences. Some choose to ignore, some think they'll live long enough to correct it, some don't care. Sex, Power and Money makes people do evil sheet all the time. For many impulses aren't always controllable when in the moment. Should all evil impulses be controlled? Sure, but none of us are Jesus when it gets down to it. And here's a funny thing. I'm not a worker in fact I'm not even a 2x2, i don't worship any kind of god, and yet I'm in a far better position to recieve eternal awesomeness than this senior worker and regional overseer due to my own personal values an subsequent behavoiur. Tribal right of salvation!!
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Post by chuck on Mar 25, 2023 17:47:14 GMT -5
Neither paedophilia or child sexual abuse are crimes either in statute or common law. Both behaviours encompass criminal behaviours when acted upon and are categorised by statute and common laws (depending on country, etc). I get what you are saying about paedophilia, but your understanding is no different to a person who commits murder whilst insane. It's still murder but the medical condition has to be taken into account. Paedophilia is not a crime -- it is not an act. CSA is an act, and is a crime. Murder is always an act. In all cases, mental and medical conditions MAY (and may not) apply, depending on the statutes. The Dean case will have no consequences for Dean. The problem for people now is that the case reveals just how much ONE PERSON can hide from SO MANY people for SO LONG. It implies that ANYTHING IMAGINABLE can be hidden by an awful lot of people in whom full TRUST of TRUTH has been established. Yes, makes me sick to think how many people may have known something wasn't right but didn't say anything because of the hold the system has over them.....
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 17:47:21 GMT -5
Just to be clear....it was a worker who wrote the letter. Not the police. No one said the police wrote it. We can't imagine who you will suggest wrote it, if not the workers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 17:57:12 GMT -5
No one said the police wrote it. I was trying to make sense of your comment about going to the police. Your twisted logic hurts my head. So now we are suppose to consult the workers about CSA when they are all "enablers of CSA". What happened to going to the police first? And leave workers out of it? How you got that I said the police wrote it would hurt anyone's head...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 17:58:42 GMT -5
Really? Your last few posts seem to be rather accusatory... Yes -- of you for your arrogance. So prosecutorial instead of not...as I thought...
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 18:01:36 GMT -5
Wow dirty deeds done dirt cheap . They wiped his phone and sat on the info ……. Thank you for the post regarding who to contact . I have given the number . I applaud any sister worker who goes to the police. I know exactly what happens to a sister worker who threatens going to the police with such a criminal complaint. Evidence of the power of cults to control the lives of their most faithful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 18:01:59 GMT -5
"At one point" won't do a bit of good... shut the f up . You are a disgusting human being May your god have mercy on your soul . Try to REMEMBER THERE CAN BE 100’s COMING FORWARD ! Stop using your WISDOM ASS WIPE if you have any . I am focusing on the victims and working with law enforcement today . Better things to do other than adding your name to an offender list ,because you are hurting many ! "At one point" won't do a bit of good... What age are you ? My great grandkids have a better education than you ! Seriously dude go for a long walk ! There are obviously serious reasons you were not acceptable to be a worker and it shows on here . Oh nap time again As worker’s list are being reviewed today . Plus travels of Dean ! Seek some help...
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 18:03:12 GMT -5
By the sounds of it many sister workers are stepping up. I vaguely recall that Bruer attended NZ and OZ conventions. Which makes me wonder whether he offended here. His offending seems to be a lot like that other cult leader in Waco. Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 18:07:00 GMT -5
What kind of delusion are you in now? Maybe seek some help... watch your words Wally ! YOU ARE HURTING MANY ASS-OLE No delusion it was sent to me for a reason . You are not even above the law . You are inflicting harm upon survivors . I don’t have delusions but maybe you do . Oh wait you do mister internet worker . I have all the assistance I need . Yes I have mental health issues but that’s not one of them . Under Canadian laws you can be charged ! Ah nap time again . Now you are disparaging my daughter’s rape on Didsbury convention grounds after she professed at age 9 She carried that betrayal her entire life . Even up to her death . Your method of thinking isn't rational, talk to your team at this point instead of lashing out randomly at anyone you hate. You certainly don't speak for anyone else but yourself...Your daughter? And you wonder why you are called delusional?
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 18:08:21 GMT -5
The letter never states not to share...So what are you reading that's not there? Have you received it from your elder? I would say by the way you're responding that it hasn't been shared with you. Your elder may or may not even know. Sharing with everyone means everyone in the Truth, not just the workers and some elders. If it has been shared with you then good. That's how it should be. Wally lives in Washington. Apparently it was only the elders in Oregon, S. Idaho, and Montana who got the letter. WA overseer maybe thinks his people don't know anything that happens in other states. Another jurisdiction, and overseers have full control of what happens in their own jurisdiction.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 18:09:26 GMT -5
They will need tech to get back the phone info. It was wiped and given to another worker apparently. At the time I posted, it had been stated the laptop and phone had been seized (handed over). We have since learned this was not the case with the phone and that it had been cleared. However, that situation may still be retrievable, I'm not sure? However, if they get the names of associated suspects, their phones and laptops can be seized. True
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 18:09:34 GMT -5
Trying to pass it off as just irony is gaslighting. Look up irony if you want to... Gaslighting IS NOT irony. Didn't say it was...Your critical reading skills need to be improved...
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 18:11:40 GMT -5
Gaslighting IS NOT irony. Didn't say it was...Your critical reading skills need to be improved... From when it comes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 18:12:02 GMT -5
Saying that some people want to be pedo's is NOT deranged? How did you come to that conclusion? Before you go too far with this -- prove to us that Dean didn't lurk here. Pedos lurk in the shadows, you know. He'd not be the first "PEDO" to lurk here. A pedo lurking here is a wannabe pedo? That makes no sense in the English language...
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 18:14:52 GMT -5
Before you go too far with this -- prove to us that Dean didn't lurk here. Pedos lurk in the shadows, you know. He'd not be the first "PEDO" to lurk here. A pedo lurking here is a wannabe pedo? That makes no sense in the English language... It does, with a sense of context.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 18:15:11 GMT -5
No one said the police wrote it. We can't imagine who you will suggest wrote it, if not the workers. The internet is a shadowy place... If you've noticed... Anywho, I'll post about my investigation into this shortly...
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 18:19:48 GMT -5
We can't imagine who you will suggest wrote it, if not the workers. The internet is a shadowy place... If you've noticed... Anywho, I'll post about my investigation into this shortly... And quote your sources, or we'll presume "fake news".
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 18:21:05 GMT -5
Today is 30th anniversary of raid on Branch Davidian in Waco.
Trump is having a rally there.
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2023 18:25:05 GMT -5
They will need tech to get back the phone info. It was wiped and given to another worker apparently. At the time I posted, it had been stated the laptop and phone had been seized (handed over). We have since learned this was not the case with the phone and that it had been cleared. However, that situation may still be retrievable, I'm not sure? However, if they get the names of associated suspects, their phones and laptops can be seized. Yes that's the last I heard. That they only have the laptop. But you're right. If there are names on the laptop then cell phones and computers named would be looked at too. But there is no reason why that phone can't be handed over. Surely the person that handed out the phoned that was wiped knows which worker got it and can go to them and ask them to turn it over.
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Post by rudyw on Mar 25, 2023 18:33:06 GMT -5
You’re right, Wally. This is a serious & intense situation, if true. However, the ‘source’ of this information isn’t confirmed. It’s hasty to judge someone guilty until the facts are known. It would be easy to get the facts right now, but the whole thing is so upsetting. I have no desire to discuss this with any local friends right now (perhaps never) because the thought of this being true makes me physically sick. I’d rather let it all play out on its own. But, I agree….the ‘source’ of the letter sounds off. I could be wrong though (I often am!) Just so you know the laptop and phone were handed in by the workers to the Oregon Sheriff's office. Where’d you find that….online? I don’t see it on the Clackamas County Sheriffs website. Wondering where you got that from.
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2023 18:36:10 GMT -5
Have you received it from your elder? I would say by the way you're responding that it hasn't been shared with you. Your elder may or may not even know. Sharing with everyone means everyone in the Truth, not just the workers and some elders. If it has been shared with you then good. That's how it should be. Wally lives in Washington. Apparently it was only the elders in Oregon, S. Idaho, and Montana who got the letter. WA overseer maybe thinks his people don't know anything that happens in other states. Another jurisdiction, and overseers have full control of what happens in their own jurisdiction. That was actually the point I was trying to make. Wally said that the letter didn't say 'don't share' and I asked him if he had seen it then. Obviously he hasn't so that supports the post that said it wasn't shared with everyone. It wasn't. Wally hasn't seen it. Case closed. A truly transparent system who have sent emails to everyone in that part of the US first and foremost and then to any jurisdictions he might have been. Since there were quite a few I would say that complete disclosure would take some time, but the western states members should have had it immediately. I know everyone has their addresses in the workers hands if not email addresses and phone numbers.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2023 18:39:02 GMT -5
Who paid Bruer's bills? They would have some knowledge of the frequency of visits to motels. Ditto for phone bills. There are other lines of enquiry to follow as well. I suspect there will be people who may well be pooping their pants about now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 18:44:26 GMT -5
Wally lives in Washington. Apparently it was only the elders in Oregon, S. Idaho, and Montana who got the letter. WA overseer maybe thinks his people don't know anything that happens in other states. Another jurisdiction, and overseers have full control of what happens in their own jurisdiction. That was actually the point I was trying to make. Wally said that the letter didn't say 'don't share' and I asked him if he had seen it then. Obviously he hasn't so that supports the post that said it wasn't shared with everyone. It wasn't. Wally hasn't seen it. Case closed. A truly transparent system who have sent emails to everyone in that part of the US first and foremost and then to any jurisdictions he might have been. Since there were quite a few I would say that complete disclosure would take some time, but the western states members should have had it immediately. I know everyone has their addresses in the workers hands if not email addresses and phone numbers. The letter was posted HERE and on WINGS it did NOT come through normal public channels from any other source for WA.
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