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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 3:20:51 GMT -5
Yes, I am smarter than that. What I wrote to Wally was irony. And you missed my point. Wally's the one who is advising people not to believe what the workers wrote to the elders. But come to think about it -- one might have suspicion about the truth of it, considering that reading it was restricted to a special group and the contents were not to be discussed. I recall learning that a local person was asked why the worker wouldn't put something in writing, and the reason given was that they may change their mind (or story.. who knows in that case). Then again, maybe Wally's jealous that he didn't get it from the workers too. Who knows? Anyway, what could Wally possibly be trying to protect poor old Dean from at this point. Wally has a penchant for not believing proofs. He probably still believes the election was stolen. What I said in that post wasn't advice it was what I am gonna do. Most of you are adults here and can make your own decisions. Since when do you believe what workers say or have respect for them? It says nothing in the letter about it just being the elders only that would receive it. Knee jerk response rarely help anyone... Not a knee jerk response. Do you really believe the workers would include in a letter to the elders that it was not to be shared with anyone else -- they don't get caught proving they have such distrust of the lay people in general. I have a suspicion about why it was only for elder consumption. They know that elders are the other type of F&W who often get caught in sexual misconduct, so the message is, "Keep it clean, guys!"
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 3:23:36 GMT -5
Who's gloating? Wally has condemned so many of us to hell that it's about time he's confronted with his own defensive words in favor of some miscreant, simply because he was a worker. I thought you were law abiding, rule of law and all that? It's innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Or are you throwing that under the bus? This isn't a court of law -- this is the secret gossiping 2x2 family talking.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 3:24:59 GMT -5
Wally is selective in his acceptance of "verification". Dean being a worker, Wally will be anticipating a "fake news style" decision on the workers' accusations of Dean. It's not about Dean -- it's about Wally's condescending and contemptible attitude to those outside his religiopolitical subculture. You are either gullible or deceptive here... Who cares? I'm not prosecuting you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:25:04 GMT -5
Not a word, the only place I see it is here and wings... Get off the proverbial fence. Ask your workers if it's true, then share the answer with us. If you really want to tell us the truth. So now we are suppose to consult the workers about CSA when they are all "enablers of CSA". What happened to going to the police first? And leave workers out of it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:26:19 GMT -5
Not a word, the only place I see it is here and wings... Also his obit being changed to a warning about sex abusers is a little telling, no? Sure, if He's guilty until proven innocent...
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 25, 2023 3:28:17 GMT -5
Get off the proverbial fence. Ask your workers if it's true, then share the answer with us. If you really want to tell us the truth. So now we are suppose to consult the workers about CSA when they are all "enablers of CSA". What happened to going to the police first? And leave workers out of it? If you're not a gossiper, yes. Consult the workers and see if they went to the police first. Check to see if the letter from the workers was real or fake, and tell us what they tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:30:27 GMT -5
What I said in that post wasn't advice it was what I am gonna do. Most of you are adults here and can make your own decisions. Since when do you believe what workers say or have respect for them? It says nothing in the letter about it just being the elders only that would receive it. Knee jerk response rarely help anyone... Not a knee jerk response. Do you really believe the workers would include in a letter to the elders that it was not to be shared with anyone else -- they don't get caught proving they have such distrust of the lay people in general. I have a suspicion about why it was only for elder consumption. They know that elders are the other type of F&W who often get caught in sexual misconduct, so the message is, "Keep it clean, guys!" The letter never states not to share...So what are you reading that's not there?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:31:22 GMT -5
I thought you were law abiding, rule of law and all that? It's innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Or are you throwing that under the bus? This isn't a court of law -- this is the secret gossiping 2x2 family talking. Does that matter? Gossip trumps law?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:34:40 GMT -5
You are either gullible or deceptive here... Who cares? I'm not prosecuting you. Really? Your last few posts seem to be rather accusatory...
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Post by verna on Mar 25, 2023 3:35:36 GMT -5
Also his obit being changed to a warning about sex abusers is a little telling, no? Sure, if He's guilty until proven innocent... It was you who said “ not a word”.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:36:26 GMT -5
So now we are suppose to consult the workers about CSA when they are all "enablers of CSA". What happened to going to the police first? And leave workers out of it? If you're not a gossiper, yes. Consult the workers and see if they went to the police first. Check to see if the letter from the workers was real or fake, and tell us what they tell you. Oh, I'll get to it to be sure there are even some that just read the forum that are on this...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 3:39:00 GMT -5
Sure, if He's guilty until proven innocent... It was you who said “ not a word”. There has been no word from the Truth in WA state as that was the topic, an obit on a funeral site wouldn't qualify as being part of the Truth in WA state, or would it?
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Post by fixit on Mar 25, 2023 3:54:25 GMT -5
Get off the proverbial fence. Ask your workers if it's true, then share the answer with us. If you really want to tell us the truth. So now we are suppose to consult the workers about CSA when they are all "enablers of CSA". What happened to going to the police first? And leave workers out of it? Just to be clear....it was a worker who wrote the letter. Not the police.
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Post by mountain on Mar 25, 2023 4:19:58 GMT -5
I think the police are very much involved in this case. From what is stated in the letter it is obvious to me the workers are acting in the third party. They will have avoided mentioning the police, etc., to try and make the whole matter easier to take. The laptop and phone etc, will have been seized by the police. Hopefully they weren't dumb enough to destroy the electronics But so far this has all the hallmarks of a coverup. No mention of what organizations victims can contact for help. No mention of "contact Detective so and so if you have been a victim or have information" Just request of "come talk to US" (the workers) Emphasis on how he is no longer in a position to hurt anyone, so case closed! And a letter which claims to display transparency and wants to reach all the victims but is being shown eyes-only to select elders. Bruer has escaped temporal justice. However in cases such as this it can turn out to be a spider's web or network of sexually deviant operatives spanning across not just States but also the World (if you consider a person's ability to travel). That is not to say this case goes beyond Bruer but I believe there is every likelihood that it does. Whilst others may be found amongst the unsaved, there could well be perpetrators and victims within the group. Would any sister worker who has been a victim be willing to come forward and tell all, bringing shame on the group and strangely on herself, with all the implications that would have for the group and herself? That would be the end of professing for her, one way or another. Laptops and phones are oft used communication devices in these matters and provide invaluable evidential data. I wouldn't get worked up about what the workers disclose or don't disclose and to whom at this stage. It's irrelevant and an unnecessary distraction. This matter, for the time being is way above their heads and abilities. With ongoing investigations it is best they shut up and let the authorities get on with their work. The workers should be cooperating with and following guidance from the police, so they will be subject to their advice. The demise of Bruer could bring a fairly swift cessation to proceedings unless other living culprits come out the bag. Normally at the beginning of these type of cases the hope is that the matter is confined to one or two suspects (for ease of investigation amongst other matters), but in most cases a can of worms is opened with far more tentacles than an octopus.
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Post by mountain on Mar 25, 2023 4:33:24 GMT -5
? I hope I misunderstand your post. Can you please elaborate? I think I’m not understanding y. Paedophilia is a diagnosed psychiatric disorder, not a crime and not a sin. Child sexual abuse is both a crime and a sin. Neither paedophilia or child sexual abuse are crimes either in statute or common law. Both behaviours encompass criminal behaviours when acted upon and are categorised by statute and common laws (depending on country, etc). I get what you are saying about paedophilia, but your understanding is no different to a person who commits murder whilst insane. It's still murder but the medical condition has to be taken into account.
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Post by mountain on Mar 25, 2023 4:37:50 GMT -5
Which raises the point that if Dean Bruer thought that God was watching and that he would burn for all eternity for what he was up to, he certainly wouldn't have done any of it. Which leaves the only logical conclusion that he didn't believe in God or eternity, he simply found a platform to fulfill his perverted desires, the rest was simply theatrics. Have ya ever heard of Adam and Eve? Moses? King David? Solomon? Judas? Ananias and Sapphira? Lots of people commit sins knowing full well the consequences. Some choose to ignore, some think they'll live long enough to correct it, some don't care. Sex, Power and Money makes people do evil sheet all the time. For many impulses aren't always controllable when in the moment. Should all evil impulses be controlled? Sure, but none of us are Jesus when it gets down to it. Good points Wally. Well said. However, there are limits, especially for disobedient women. Do not cut your hair. Do not wear trousers. Pants means lower underwear in the UK. You must wear these! Jewellery.....nuff said.
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 25, 2023 4:40:32 GMT -5
Which raises the point that if Dean Bruer thought that God was watching and that he would burn for all eternity for what he was up to, he certainly wouldn't have done any of it. Which leaves the only logical conclusion that he didn't believe in God or eternity, he simply found a platform to fulfill his perverted desires, the rest was simply theatrics. Have ya ever heard of Adam and Eve? Moses? King David? Solomon? Judas? Ananias and Sapphira? Lots of people commit sins knowing full well the consequences. Some choose to ignore, some think they'll live long enough to correct it, some don't care. Sex, Power and Money makes people do evil sheet all the time. For many impulses aren't always controllable when in the moment. Should all evil impulses be controlled? Sure, but none of us are Jesus when it gets down to it. And here's a funny thing. I'm not a worker in fact I'm not even a 2x2, i don't worship any kind of god, and yet I'm in a far better position to recieve eternal awesomeness than this senior worker and regional overseer due to my own personal values an subsequent behavoiur.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2023 7:29:22 GMT -5
It seems Bruer was a WINO.
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Post by chuck on Mar 25, 2023 8:41:11 GMT -5
So im curious, im sure lots of people thought Dean was up in heaven, what was it that that made people think that?. And if whatever that was is not actually a reliable thing for getting to heaven does that not ring any alarm bells??..... Exactly -- all you would have to do is ask whether he behaved as he expected everyone in his flock to behave. I'm guessing he wasn't one of those "family" characters who believe they are forgiven the moment they make a mistake, simply because they are a chosen one. So then if Mr Bruer didn't commit said crimes but he also didn't do whatever it was that made people think he went up to heaven....would he still go up to heaven or down to hell......
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 8:53:49 GMT -5
Dissociative Personality Disorder: How It Really Affects You ! • Psychiatry separation of some aspects of mental functioning from conscious awareness, leading to a degree of mental dysfunction or to mental conditions including dissociative identity disorder
This is exactly how it is . I put my phone down and went to sleep . Like many yes MANY survivors have probably used after this
I thought about a rope , handfuls of pills so I would just nod off !! However I dissociate instead .
This has probably happened to some on here . Go to your safe space to protect your mental health . Others COULD BE AT RISK NOW WITH VISIONS RUNNING THROUGHOUT THEY PSYCH ! They may act to stop the pain . Go to a care center please . Please support the victims at this time . Yes it has affected me in a horrible way and I am not the only one Verna . I have two hooliganisms that required breakfast at 6 AM So I have to get up , and put one foot forward to the other . But I dissociate myself thankfully , put my phone down and slept . Thankfully I can do so . Please send love via air to those abused by this man ! Call 911 or whatever service you require . Send the bill to the overseers Please seek help if needed . If you can’t afford it pm me ! You will be covered in Canada 🇨🇦 Please support the survivors
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 9:08:37 GMT -5
So now we are suppose to consult the workers about CSA when they are all "enablers of CSA". What happened to going to the police first? And leave workers out of it? Just to be clear....it was a worker who wrote the letter. Not the police. No one said the police wrote it.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 9:26:49 GMT -5
FO Not dealing with your straight up bull-either ! My plea was to survivors about ass swipe Again I just can’t call you that word !!!! PSA I AM NOT UP FOR WALLY GAMES !!! You are the most disgusting human I have ever encountered . R u a s— er ! And your buddy Judy .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 9:27:36 GMT -5
Ear buds in on my music Unavailable for at least 3 hours
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 9:32:41 GMT -5
You Wally have been trolling all night . Addiction problems ? What is your fav younggirlsforus. com Oh sleepy time talk to you B & S later To acknowledge that my daughter was subject to a rape after she professed at age 9 . Losing her father was at age 9 was the reason she turned to drugs . But if it makes you feel better carry on ! You are a……
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 9:40:00 GMT -5
Get some fur babies was suggested by care team , it was all good until they opened the freezer . They are all over me , they help the trauma
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 9:47:44 GMT -5
Have ya ever heard of Adam and Eve? Moses? King David? Solomon? Judas? Ananias and Sapphira? Lots of people commit sins knowing full well the consequences. Some choose to ignore, some think they'll live long enough to correct it, some don't care. Sex, Power and Money makes people do evil sheet all the time. For many impulses aren't always controllable when in the moment. Should all evil impulses be controlled? Sure, but none of us are Jesus when it gets down to it. And here's a funny thing. I'm not a worker in fact I'm not even a 2x2, i don't worship any kind of god, and yet I'm in a far better position to recieve eternal awesomeness than this senior worker and regional overseer due to my own personal values an subsequent behavoiur. Ummm, all unrepentant sinners or unbelievers will end up in the same place...I don't remember your story, but while there is life there is hope...
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 25, 2023 9:50:21 GMT -5
And here's a funny thing. I'm not a worker in fact I'm not even a 2x2, i don't worship any kind of god, and yet I'm in a far better position to recieve eternal awesomeness than this senior worker and regional overseer due to my own personal values an subsequent behavoiur. Ummm, all unrepentant sinners or unbelievers will end up in the same place...I don't remember your story, but while there is life there is hope... Yes we all have . At one point we were in THE WAY !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 9:50:34 GMT -5
FO Not dealing with your straight up bull-either ! My plea was to survivors about ass swipe Again I just can’t call you that word !!!! PSA I AM NOT UP FOR WALLY GAMES !!! You are the most disgusting human I have ever encountered . R u a s— er ! And your buddy Judy . What are you babbling about now?
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