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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 13, 2023 19:08:04 GMT -5
Hi Vinz, You stated the following in a recent post: 'However on the basis of being transparent I am not law enforcement but have trained many law enforcement professionals including detectives and S.W.A.T.' You are obviously a major contributor of the information on this thread. It would be interesting to know in what capacity you trained many law enforcement professionals including detectives and S.W.A.T. members?' Many thanks. Lets just say that I am highly specialized and they could not pass their course without passing mine as it is a key element in being on the high end of Law Enforcement. Being that here are so few that do what I do comparatively speaking I will not go into detail as to remain anonymous. I hope you understand that. What I have said has came to pass and regardless of what others may say here I gave a glimpse of the breadth of the investigation and it is only growing. This should give the victims hope as there words which have been silenced for so long are now being heard. Do you have top security clearance too? |
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 13, 2023 19:19:47 GMT -5
Lets just say that I am highly specialized and they could not pass their course without passing mine as it is a key element in being on the high end of Law Enforcement. Being that here are so few that do what I do comparatively speaking I will not go into detail as to remain anonymous. I hope you understand that. What I have said has came to pass and regardless of what others may say here I gave a glimpse of the breadth of the investigation and it is only growing. This should give the victims hope as there words which have been silenced for so long are now being heard. Do you have top security clearance too? I have a feeling that it is Q level... |
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 13, 2023 19:55:12 GMT -5
Your moral high ground looks bloody shaky where I see you from. and yours with your posts: "You sure do fantasize a lot while you have your head buried in the kitty litter box.
I like the bit about the magic potion.
Did you know that the biblical jesus could turn water into wine but not nails into noodles.
He was very much a one trick pony.
Religion is the opiate for the masses.
An enema would work well on them too
It looks to be if you want a lot of sex then become a worker.
I don't see any point in quoting your favourite book of mythology. It is full of immorality and anyone wanting to lead a decent life would have binned it long ago.
This conversation would not be occurring if Bruer and the like had kept their pants on and been leading a decent life.
I don't take anyone seriously who believes in virgin birth. That includes you."
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Post by jane on Apr 13, 2023 20:15:11 GMT -5
New Here: There is a lot of talk about the laptop being in the hands of the authorities. From some posters here, it sounds like there is incriminating stuff on the laptop. Can the authorities even look at the computer without a warrant? Without a victim coming forward? I am genuinely curious how that works? Is there any type of police enforcement looking into the Dean crimes or because he is dead there is no actual investigation? Some of you seem to have connections that I don't and may know more. Doyle has said there was nothing criminal on the computer, just porn and emails (which are not morally okay, but not criminal)--why do you not believe that, VinnyT?
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 13, 2023 21:00:23 GMT -5
and yours with your posts: "You sure do fantasize a lot while you have your head buried in the kitty litter box.
I like the bit about the magic potion.
Did you know that the biblical jesus could turn water into wine but not nails into noodles.
He was very much a one trick pony.
Religion is the opiate for the masses.
An enema would work well on them too
It looks to be if you want a lot of sex then become a worker.
I don't see any point in quoting your favourite book of mythology. It is full of immorality and anyone wanting to lead a decent life would have binned it long ago.
This conversation would not be occurring if Bruer and the like had kept their pants on and been leading a decent life.
I don't take anyone seriously who believes in virgin birth. That includes you."
Do you feel you are taken seriously here? ? Maybe clean your own house before you criticise others for your perceived state of theirs. The best you can come up with? 🤷♂️🤣🤣 |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 13, 2023 21:08:42 GMT -5
Appreciate your post mountain!  Let's see what Vinny comes up with!  The dude makes some 'interesting' statements! "* I can also say that to "to my knowledge" this is going to be the biggest or one of the biggest sex crime cases involving a religious order in the United States. "- There is absolutely zero proof that Doyle Smith was going to turn in the laptop before speaking to the Private Investigator.- The proof he wasn't going to turn it in were the months that passed with No letter except a glowing letter about Dean Bruer that has since been retracted. There was no mention of ANY wrong doing prior to the laptop being released by him or anyone during September, October, November, December, January, Febuary or March. ONLY glowing and praising words of the late Dean Bruer. (It seems Vinny hasn't read or understood what Doyle stated?) Here we go again. I understood what Doyle has said. All you do is continue to cover for him. Keep it up. His words along with the words from many other letters contradict each other. The wording they use shows they know full well that crimes have been committed, the issues at hand, who has committed them and the standard operating procedure of silencing and shaming the victims and knowingly relocating the people that have committed these atrocities. The more you try to hide the truth about the truth the more it shows that you sir knowingly support an entire dispensation of molesters, knowingly support the silencing, shaming and shunning or ex-communication of the victims and NOTHING is done to the people that commit these crimes. That's what you're trying to cover for. That's what you are supporting. What have I said that has not came to pass? The longer this goes on the deeper the will see the rape and pedophilia infection and the higher up you will see that the infections have spread. I don't blame you for trying to make me go away, I don't blame you for trying to cast shade on the things I say. In a weird way it shows you have strong convictions. They just happened to be placed on covering up these vile crimes and shunning and shaming the victims then going back to your routine. What proof do you have that Doyle was going to turn in the laptop prior to speaking to the private investigator? What proof do you have that he was going to say anything about the discoveries he made himself before the visit from the private investigator? Now I await your answer to these questions. Have a good day sir. Vinny very happy to respond! I take and accept what Doyle has stated at face value, as true until and unless facts emerge that contradict that. I understand Doyle to be a decent honest man who is dealing with the aftermath of Dean Bruer's double life with advice of professional in the field and with transparency and integrity. To be blunt and to the point. I consider this latest post of yours to contain more of your emotion based opinion rather than fact. As I stated you appear to be a case of 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You state a few correct details and a lot of emotion and opinion. Now your other statement: "* I can also say that to "to my knowledge" this is going to be the biggest or one of the biggest sex crime cases involving a religious order in the United States. "Oh yeah? are going to come up with something to give credibility this 'interesting' statement of yours? |
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 13, 2023 21:12:31 GMT -5
New Here: There is a lot of talk about the laptop being in the hands of the authorities. From some posters here, it sounds like there is incriminating stuff on the laptop. Can the authorities even look at the computer without a warrant? Without a victim coming forward? I am genuinely curious how that works? Is there any type of police enforcement looking into the Dean crimes or because he is dead there is no actual investigation? Some of you seem to have connections that I don't and may know more. Doyle has said there was nothing criminal on the computer, just porn and emails (which are not morally okay, but not criminal)--why do you not believe that, VinnyT? If there was more incriminating evidence buried on Deans laptop, Doyle probably wouldn’t know how or where to access it. Forensics will uncover if there’s anything. Many here seem to want to crucify Doyle. If he is legitimately guilty of something criminal then hopefully the investigation will reveal all and he can be dealt with accordingly. This site says they will share some investigation information within the next week-ish: voicesforthetruth.org/95-2/ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 21:38:25 GMT -5
Thanks for this further confirmation of your true colours and character! 🤷♂️ It's impossible to have a mature discussion with people who resort to personal attacks instead of addressing the subject being discussed. You've played the game before yourself, pot calling the kettle black... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 21:56:39 GMT -5
Now, let's back up a step for those of us who are less clued in here. Did @wally really take a loaded firearm to meetings? Wally has led us to believe just that. I wouldn't worry about him using it, though. He was in a restaurant one time where someone appeared to be a "bad" guy with a gun, and Wally fled the scene.  Lying eel that you are that's not what I said happened...God is watching... |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 13, 2023 22:10:24 GMT -5
Wally has led us to believe just that. I wouldn't worry about him using it, though. He was in a restaurant one time where someone appeared to be a "bad" guy with a gun, and Wally fled the scene. Lying eel that you are that's not what I said happened...God is watching...  |
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Post by deepdeep on Apr 13, 2023 23:06:07 GMT -5
New Here: There is a lot of talk about the laptop being in the hands of the authorities. From some posters here, it sounds like there is incriminating stuff on the laptop. Can the authorities even look at the computer without a warrant? Without a victim coming forward? I am genuinely curious how that works? Is there any type of police enforcement looking into the Dean crimes or because he is dead there is no actual investigation? Some of you seem to have connections that I don't and may know more. Doyle has said there was nothing criminal on the computer, just porn and emails (which are not morally okay, but not criminal)--why do you not believe that, VinnyT? If there was more incriminating evidence buried on Deans laptop, Doyle probably wouldn’t know how or where to access it. Forensics will uncover if there’s anything. Many here seem to want to crucify Doyle. If he is legitimately guilty of something criminal then hopefully the investigation will reveal all and he can be dealt with accordingly. This site says they will share some investigation information within the next week-ish: voicesforthetruth.org/95-2/Yeah... The more accurate statement is probably that there was no incriminating material on the laptop .... That Doyle was aware of. |
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Post by jane on Apr 13, 2023 23:16:55 GMT -5
My question is why do we think Forensics are involved at all? From a legal standpoint...can the police even open the laptop without a warrant-which would need a crime/victim/alive perp. I would love for there to be an investigation into the laptop--but can that legally even happen? Anyone know?
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 13, 2023 23:22:29 GMT -5
My question is why do we think Forensics are involved at all? From a legal standpoint...can the police even open the laptop without a warrant-which would need a crime/victim/alive perp. I would love for there to be an investigation into the laptop--but can that legally even happen? Anyone know? The "owner" isn't alive, and it has been handed to Police for the purpose of investigation. In our country, a warrant would only be required if it was not being handed in voluntarily, and Police needed to commandeer it against the wishes of the owner. (In general - there some exceptions)
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 13, 2023 23:23:49 GMT -5
Can you take it any lower ? They are picked for a reason . Like them or not . Fixit , is standing with those who have endured CSA & SA . Pretty sure he’s not doing stupid -hit like some worker’s and elders and professing peeps . In all years we never spoke like that to an elder , unless they had been involved in CSA OR SA . There is a reason they get picked and I am sure being turned down from the WORKERS to be a worker , was a great decision . To everything there is a time but remember this ……….. Before you spread gossip about somebody's life and their failures.. Remember, there are chapters of your life you don't want read out loud either. Since I got turned down by MH, I'm not sad anymore. I'm actually glad at this point I was rejected. I could have ended up being his companion. You should take your own advice. He didn't want any competition. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2023 23:29:16 GMT -5
Since I got turned down by MH, I'm not sad anymore. I'm actually glad at this point I was rejected. I could have ended up being his companion. You should take your own advice. He didn't want any competition. Your projections and predilections get more and more revealing as time goes on. Hopefully LE will catch up to you. |
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 13, 2023 23:37:13 GMT -5
My question is why do we think Forensics are involved at all? From a legal standpoint...can the police even open the laptop without a warrant-which would need a crime/victim/alive perp. I would love for there to be an investigation into the laptop--but can that legally even happen? Anyone know? I was throwing out assumptions, apologies. I personally don’t know if forensics are involved. Purely speculative… and maybe a little wishful thinking. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 14, 2023 0:14:56 GMT -5
Maybe clean your own house before you criticise others for your perceived state of theirs. The best you can come up with? 🤷♂️🤣🤣 So no fresh material then? Reminds me of your mate Walter Frank, he told a ripping yarn about the prodigal son at Ngaire convention, and no doubt every other convention he attended. Several years ago I was watching an old rerun of Billy Graham, and it turns out Walter had copied him word for word. Given that you pedal lies and pedophiles I wouldn't be too cocky though, I've been dropping names of kiddie fiddlers to one of your "work"mates today, good luck. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 14, 2023 0:22:16 GMT -5
Can you take it any lower ? They are picked for a reason . Like them or not . Fixit , is standing with those who have endured CSA & SA . Pretty sure he’s not doing stupid -hit like some worker’s and elders and professing peeps . In all years we never spoke like that to an elder , unless they had been involved in CSA OR SA . There is a reason they get picked and I am sure being turned down from the WORKERS to be a worker , was a great decision . To everything there is a time but remember this ……….. Before you spread gossip about somebody's life and their failures.. Remember, there are chapters of your life you don't want read out loud either. Since I got turned down by MH, I'm not sad anymore. I'm actually glad at this point I was rejected. I could have ended up being his companion. You should take your own advice. A young lad that was accepted for the work through Dean is going through a tough time at the moment, feels like he's wasted years of his life on a lie etc. He has plenty of great support, (including me) and I'm sure he will come out the other side a better man. It irks me when some pompous prick comes on here & gives workers a bad name, I include a worker amongst my most trusted confidants. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 14, 2023 4:01:19 GMT -5
I understand the embarrassment and humiliation that a young person might endure, but a parent can't bring an abuser to justice if their child says nothing about it.
I know that if one of my sisters got molested or even fondled, they would have told our Dad, and God help the offender.
Of course it isn't a child or young ladies responsibility to bring about justice, but I don't know why they wouldn't spill the beans to a parent they trust and rely on them to handle it.
Perhaps they just feel ashamed that they were violated? Feel guilty, don't think they'd be believed, or don't want others to know or feel sorry for them? Its a psychological puzzle.
But secrecy is a big part of the problem, because you can't resolve a hidden crime.
From what I have heard, when parents bring their child’s report to the workers, they are discouraged from taking it to the authorities. Is that difficult for you to understand?
Taking it to the authorities would be my first move, reporting an abuser to the Workers would be secondary. Imo, if parents know their child was abused and decide to keep silent, then the parents are the problem and need a good butt kicking.
You're forgetting that a normal response to a child's nasty worker accusation is that they will (1) accuse the child of lying, and/or (2) forbid the child to speak about it, and possibly (3) punish the child in some manner. If you don't get this, you probably had especially good parents growing up.
Sometimes kids lie, so I kinda understand why Workers would not condemn someone for one accusation that can't be proven. Although, what motive would a kid have to lie about something like that? Yes, denial, secrecy, and blaming a victim are ridiculous responses. And yes, I reckon I was lucky to have had parents that would have thrown a royal conniption fit if any adult fondled or molested one of us.
Especially my Dad, who I'm sure would have bypassed the authorities & Overseer, and 'explained' the abuse up-close and personal to the offending party.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 14, 2023 4:03:36 GMT -5
The best you can come up with? 🤷♂️🤣🤣 So no fresh material then? Reminds me of your mate Walter Frank, he told a ripping yarn about the prodigal son at Ngaire convention, and no doubt every other convention he attended. Several years ago I was watching an old rerun of Billy Graham, and it turns out Walter had copied him word for word. Given that you pedal lies and pedophiles I wouldn't be too cocky though, I've been dropping names of kiddie fiddlers to one of your "work"mates today, good luck. I’d heard that too about the Prodigal son and Billy Graham. I was probably at that Ngaere convention, but distracted by one of God’s female creations, finding new beauties in his word etc! |
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 14, 2023 4:05:59 GMT -5
Since I got turned down by MH, I'm not sad anymore. I'm actually glad at this point I was rejected. I could have ended up being his companion. You should take your own advice. A young lad that was accepted for the work through Dean is going through a tough time at the moment, feels like he's wasted years of his life on a lie etc. He has plenty of great support, (including me) and I'm sure he will come out the other side a better man. It irks me when some pompous prick comes on here & gives workers a bad name, I include a worker amongst my most trusted confidants. Let’s hope there’s no lasting mental health damage. It would be rough on a young guy |
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Post by fixit on Apr 14, 2023 4:29:24 GMT -5
From what I have heard, when parents bring their child’s report to the workers, they are discouraged from taking it to the authorities. Is that difficult for you to understand?
Taking it to the authorities would be my first move, reporting an abuser to the Workers would be secondary. Imo, if parents know their child was abused and decide to keep silent, then the parents are the problem and need a good butt kicking.
You're forgetting that a normal response to a child's nasty worker accusation is that they will (1) accuse the child of lying, and/or (2) forbid the child to speak about it, and possibly (3) punish the child in some manner. If you don't get this, you probably had especially good parents growing up. Sometimes kids lie, so I kinda understand why Workers would not condemn someone for one accusation that can't be proven. Although, what motive would a kid have to lie about something like that? Yes, denial, secrecy, and blaming a victim are ridiculous responses. And yes, I reckon I was lucky to have had parents that would have thrown a royal conniption fit if any adult fondled or molested one of us.
Especially my Dad, who I'm sure would have bypassed the authorities & Overseer, and 'explained' the abuse up-close and personal to the offending party.
False accusations are rare and professionals are trained to pick up on it when they do occur. Which is one reason amateurs (including workers) should stay out of it. |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 14, 2023 6:55:52 GMT -5
The best you can come up with? 🤷♂️🤣🤣 So no fresh material then? Reminds me of your mate Walter Frank, he told a ripping yarn about the prodigal son at Ngaire convention, and no doubt every other convention he attended. Several years ago I was watching an old rerun of Billy Graham, and it turns out Walter had copied him word for word. Given that you pedal lies and pedophiles I wouldn't be too cocky though, I've been dropping names of kiddie fiddlers to one of your "work"mates today, good luck. Your venom and false accusations are 'water of a duck's back'; you poor thing. Acid harming the vessel it is stored in rather than that which is poured out on. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by deepdeep on Apr 14, 2023 11:09:17 GMT -5
Taking it to the authorities would be my first move, reporting an abuser to the Workers would be secondary. Imo, if parents know their child was abused and decide to keep silent, then the parents are the problem and need a good butt kicking.
Sometimes kids lie, so I kinda understand why Workers would not condemn someone for one accusation that can't be proven. Although, what motive would a kid have to lie about something like that? Yes, denial, secrecy, and blaming a victim are ridiculous responses. And yes, I reckon I was lucky to have had parents that would have thrown a royal conniption fit if any adult fondled or molested one of us.
Especially my Dad, who I'm sure would have bypassed the authorities & Overseer, and 'explained' the abuse up-close and personal to the offending party.
False accusations are rare and professionals are trained to pick up on it when they do occur. Which is one reason amateurs (including workers) should stay out of it. It is hard to make an argument for the problem of who to take accounts of abuse to that rests on the training or good outcomes of the group you take the accounts to. (apologies for the confusing sentence). Much has been made on this message board of the fact that appealing to the authorities is the best thing to do (very true), but it is the reality that even the "trained" professionals track record is not great. People who are not totally ignorant of how the world works will have definitely heard about abusers getting off on a "technicality" or escaping justice due to some jurisdictional shenanigans. And then there are the cases where people do actually make false claims of abuse...perhaps rare but they poison the well pretty badly. Not only that...but in cases of SA and CSA, ambiguity hangs over the vast majority of these situations where direct evidence is hard to come by. There is a tension between protecting victims and protecting due process that appropriately exists. In the past, that tension did not exist at all and perpetrators who were valuable to the social system (clergy, teachers, authority figures in general) merely had to make sure that their actions were physically undetectable and they were largely protected from consequence. Now there is a better understanding of the damage that was done so efforts to protect victims have been put into place...it's not perfect. The reason to take abuse cases to the legal authorities is because it is better than taking it to the religious/social/family/spritual authorities....but it still is no guarantee that real justice and healing happens. Once the legal system gets involved, hopefully it can quickly stop abuse from going further but the healing/thriving of people will come from somewhere else. (re-reading this...sounds preachy to me....srry) |
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Post by mountain on Apr 14, 2023 12:47:35 GMT -5
Hi Vinz, You stated the following in a recent post: 'However on the basis of being transparent I am not law enforcement but have trained many law enforcement professionals including detectives and S.W.A.T.' You are obviously a major contributor of the information on this thread. It would be interesting to know in what capacity you trained many law enforcement professionals including detectives and S.W.A.T. members?' Many thanks. Lets just say that I am highly specialized and they could not pass their course without passing mine as it is a key element in being on the high end of Law Enforcement. Being that here are so few that do what I do comparatively speaking I will not go into detail as to remain anonymous. I hope you understand that. I understand what you are saying Vinz. Many thanks for that. What I do have difficulty with is that I find it difficult to believe this. Okay, I can only speak from the UK from personal experience, but I have to say this sounds somewhat far fetched, even to the point it nearly challenges some of the worker stories that I have posted way in the past (in the name of entertainment). I hope you are not trying to take my crown? I will have none of it!
What I have said has came to pass and regardless of what others may say here I gave a glimpse of the breadth of the investigation and it is only growing. This should give the victims hope as there words which have been silenced for so long are now being heard. |
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 14, 2023 13:07:56 GMT -5
Lets just say that I am highly specialized and they could not pass their course without passing mine as it is a key element in being on the high end of Law Enforcement. Being that here are so few that do what I do comparatively speaking I will not go into detail as to remain anonymous. I hope you understand that. What I have said has came to pass and regardless of what others may say here I gave a glimpse of the breadth of the investigation and it is only growing. This should give the victims hope as there words which have been silenced for so long are now being heard. Do you have top security clearance too? I do not have any special clearance |
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 14, 2023 13:09:34 GMT -5
Do you have top security clearance too? I have a feeling that it is Q level... No I do not have Q clearance, or W clearance or even F clearance. I am NOT a Qtard or a Trumper |
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 14, 2023 13:19:12 GMT -5
Lets just say that I am highly specialized and they could not pass their course without passing mine as it is a key element in being on the high end of Law Enforcement. Being that here are so few that do what I do comparatively speaking I will not go into detail as to remain anonymous. I hope you understand that. I understand what you are saying Vinz. Many thanks for that. What I do have difficulty with is that I find it difficult to believe this. Okay, I can only speak from the UK from personal experience, but I have to say this sounds somewhat far fetched, even to the point it nearly challenges some of the worker stories that I have posted way in the past (in the name of entertainment). I hope you are not trying to take my crown? I will have none of it!
What I have said has came to pass and regardless of what others may say here I gave a glimpse of the breadth of the investigation and it is only growing. This should give the victims hope as there words which have been silenced for so long are now being heard. How is it being far fetched to have trained law enforcement? There is not alot of people that do what I did. If you think getting paid to teach law enforcement is far fetched then I cannot help you. Please understand that there are many many different people and associations that train law enforcement personnel. I am not going to give details so people the likes of mr studies can try to sniff out my identity. I could have trained them on forensic accounting, I could have worked at a college, I could have worked in specialized combat, I could have worked in fitness, I could have worked in many types of fields that higher level law enforcement are required to take. Thats far fetched? If I find it far fetched that you're in the UK and have any remote knowledge of anything. Doesn't mean that you don't. If you all don't want to believe what I say that's your prerogative. I have nothing to prove to a bunch of people that don't like what I have to say , why would I? EVERYTHING I have said is the truth. I have given facts that came to pass long before anyone else did regardless if you believe it or not, what I said happened and then some. |
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