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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 12, 2023 21:50:39 GMT -5
Chuck a serious allegation you make Do you have facts/evidence to support your words.... or do we correctly understand you are one of the poor souls that post on this forum... with a large chip on your shoulder and this is... yet another of your malignant disinformation statements! 🤷♂️😜 If you are a worker or an enabler you would know. Are you suggesting you dont know it happens?. I have a massive chip on my shoulder about the deliberate deception and people who through our own short comings are manipulated by charlatans who say they have all the answers. You smell like one of those manipulaters. My soul is fine, I doubt you know anything about the orginal concept behind the word given how you used it, hence why I think you are a manipulator and very likely a charlatan. Im definitely not a worker or a enabler of the system, how about you?. Remember that doesn't mean I am not a 2x2. Chuck you have waffled and avoided answering the question I put to you. Chuck a serious allegation you make
Do you have facts/evidence to support your words....You won't be able to answer the question because you have no evidence or facts. The allegation is a product of your malignant mindset rather than facts you haveNothing new, there is a small clique of such posters.🤷♂️😜!
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Dean Bruer
Apr 12, 2023 21:52:30 GMT -5
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 12, 2023 21:52:30 GMT -5
Hello there, This is my first post. I'd like to explain a few things that may not be apparent. I am posting to inform people what I know and I will not be guessing unless I state that based upon my experience and knowledge. Information is what people will be using to make decisions and the more accurate information people have the better decisions they can make. First of all I am not law enforcement but I have worked with and trained law enforcement for decades. I have talked to a couple close friends of mine who shall remain un-named because they gave me information that is not easily available. My reason for posting is that I have someone very close to me that has escaped this "religious sect" and the many types of abuse that have thrived from within the group due to its policies, procedures and the level of secrecy on how things are ran. Such as the severe lack of a real and documented organization, bank and financial records, membership records etc. They have thrived because of the lack of any accountability, and that they have severely discouraged people from reporting any and all issues. As well as not taken needed steps to prosecute those that have taken advantage of or harmed others in the various ways. They simply relocated them and that's not moral, ethical or should ever be done. It only "encourages" offenders to continue offending. I am going to list some things that pertain to this ongoing investigation as well as any investigation. These are basic principals that law enforcement adhere to in order to properly investigate this as well as anything. * There is an open case in Clackamas * I have seen an email that was from a patrol officer. Any patrol officer is not in charge of or involved in any investigation. They respond to 911 calls, emergencies and minor investigations. They are not involved in major investigations except on minor levels. * The bulk of major investigations as well as most investigations are left up to people that specialize in those areas such as sex crimes and financial crimes for example. They are called detectives. * Any detective or police officer cannot comment on an ongoing investigation. * Law enforcement cannot speak about those that are being investigated either. Not until such individuals are actually charged with a crime. Then it's public knowledge, albeit you have to look to know if someone is charged. * Law enforcement cannot speak about investigations in another jurisdiction or from another agency either as that is not their purview. * With regards to this investigation I can say that it is far bigger than most realize and it will not be finished quickly most likely. Reason being is they are being thorough and will make sure all avenues are covered. * I can also say that to "to my knowledge" this is going to be the biggest or one of the biggest sex crime cases involving a religious order in the United States. *** This has also been extended to the Federal side of things because and I am guessing on this but from what I do know there are crimes done by individuals in multiple States. *** Another reason it is a Federal case is because there is alot of money being exchanged for a large sect that doesn't have any financial records so to speak or bank accounts in said religious orders name. Private people are paying for an international religious organization with no orginization or records so to speak of and no oversight. * In order to have a case open there has to be a crime that is suspected to have been done. This case started before the laptop was compelled to be turned over. * A forensic accountant can get into any account that's connected to the laptop or owner of the laptop or the phone which was wiped and given away to my knowledge. They wiped the phone but alot of things are stored online. There is ALOT that's being done wrong by many people and this is not a good thing because there has been alot of abuse that's been done by many many people for a very long time. Including rape, child sexual abuse, assault, major financial crimes, coercion and others. There has been known sexual crimes where the victims have been coerced into not pressing charges and the offender has simply been moved to another state to continue offending. So very wrong on so many levels. This is all I am going to say for now. If anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to ask. I will do my best to help. I hope this clears alot of things up especially those that are not familiar with how the American Judicial Syatem and law enforcement procedures. Again I am not law enforcement but I have worked with them and know several people in multiple agencies that have told me things to help clear things up. I imagine it is hard to come forward but others need as many who have been harmed to come forward and report the abuse. It may get some semblance of closure for you as well as justice for others. God bless you all. Sincerely, Vinny T * * * I shall start with a bit of scripture because I find very accurate in this instance: The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light. They lived in a land of shadows, and now the light is shining on them. (Isaiah 9:2) In all reality what I say will not dissuade someone from professing or from attending meeting and that is not my goal. However each person that is in the Truth knows right and wrong regardless if they admit it out loud to others. As an adult of average intelligence a person by the age of 25 has a very keenly developed sense of right and wrong. As well as personal meanings of right and wrong that are developed on a personal level. Some people find racism a hot topic and others sexual assault. Both are wrong yet each person has developed their own personal right and wrong list of things that we have experienced. When there is an organization that has a fundamental principle of ignoring ALL crimes and sexual crimes even those that are against children and shunning and silencing the victims that cannot be a good organization can it? Yet here we are talking about this and trying to help by giving information I have been attacked publicly and privately. Turns out that what I originally knew of 51 people being investigated in now well over 200. I am getting another update in the next few days maybe a week which depending on how this is received I will give more info. Don't know if it's worth my time to be honest as I have not received warmly to say the least. The only info I can or will give is info that will not undermine the many investigations going on in the other states, counties, countries and districts. None of them can give specifics about an investigation that is ongoing. I will say that this is far bigger and has severe widespread implications of rape, sodomy of a minor, money laundering, child sexual abuse and more. The list that is being investigated is extensive as is the amount of people being investigated. This will take a long time to get to the truth about the Truth. That is why I will not give any details or specifics about the investigations. Something I say is for illustrative purposes only to show the magnitude and depth of this ongoing criminal investigation and conspiracy and the lengths the "truth" has went to keep things hidden. However on the basis of being transparent I am not law enforcement but have trained many law enforcement professionals including detectives and S.W.A.T. I am also not nor have I ever "professed" but I am very much in the know about the inner workings of this extreme religious sect. After just a couple weeks since I made this first post it turns out that what I originally knew has grown into being far bigger still. The more time that passes the more of my original statement will be made clear. This is the largest sex crimes investigation in the United States. I'd like to clear a few things up so there is no confusion for people. - There was already an investigation into the 2x2's going on. That is why the private investigators talked to Doyle Smith to convince him to relinquish the laptop. - There is absolutely zero proof that Doyle Smith was going to turn in the laptop before speaking to the Private Investigator. - The proof he wasn't going to turn it in were the months that passed with No letter except a glowing letter about Dean Bruer that has since been retracted. There was no mention of ANY wrong doing prior to the laptop being released by him or anyone during September, October, November, December, January, Febuary or March. ONLY glowing and praising words of the late Dean Bruer. - The laptop is far more crucial than most realize as it is the proverbial smoking gun. Since the release of the laptop the floodgates have opened and combined with the hotline has allowed people the reason and means to come forward report these crimes along "with others" that this extremist religious sect has done. - The Mark Huddle situation is more nefarious than innocent. One does not step down/out/back/sideways from a position for having a child sit on ones lap. To believe so only shows the level of mind control they have invoked on you. Those that keep defending him I don't blame you for you do not know what you are saying. You are only defending something you hold sacred, I admire that. However common sense dictates that where there is smoke there is fire, scientific common sense dictates where there is smoke there is heat. Do this for yourself privately: A. Take a step back and see if you can understand why others would be upset. B. Would you protect the organization if it happened to you, your children sister, mother or other family member? - There is mind control tactics being displayed as many of the statements have severe implications about your salvation if you do do this or that including report the crimes. There is no reason certain words and phrases are used especially to women such as: "For the Kingdoms sake {which is more about their Kingdom here then it is about a heavenly Kingdom}, The enemy of our soul is being worldly {most often said when trying to influence someone from being worldly IE taking part of the world like wearing makeup or wearing their hair in something other than a bun OR reporting a sexual crime to the authorities because they want to handle things internally among the brethren and leadership}, if you leave the truth you are lost for all eternity, outsiders {refers to anyone not professing, a worker or an Overseer}, We want to be like the tree planted near the water bearing good fruit and not wither away {Which goes to show ones desire to do good by staying faithful to the way and not withering away if one leaves the group}. We are Gods people the rest are outsiders. {Meaning there is a difference and they have passed judgement for those not in the "Way" The scriptures say to not judge others.}. Also using scripture to dissuade people from reporting for fear of being worldly is straight up manipulation through words. Serving God in a way contrary to scriptures {that is contradictory because the faith routinely avoids many many sections and books of the Bible itself because it speaks of the truth of the one truth dispensation which the Truth, the Way the 2x2's are definitely NOT descended from Christ. The Kingdom is great and the laborers few. {Giving special privileges to the "workers" and elevating them among the standard member.} - Another form of mind control is when a group puts into practice is the shamming and shunning of those that do report the crimes even if they don't report them to the police and it is just among those in the group leadership. There are special sections in local books cutely called "the poop list" for those that are shunned. This is not my opinion, this is fact in subliminal messaging through internal policy as wrote about in the book Illuminati: Total Mind Control. Doing so inhibits crimes being reported and inhibits transparency. - Another standard operating procedure is to avoid informing those in the congregation when a convicted pedophile or sexual predator is attending. - In fact there is more done to silence those in "the way" from even talking about these things instead of reporting it to the police. One anonymous tip and its reported. * With the major focus on NOT being transparent and NOT reporting things they focus on handling things internally. When the focus is on handling things internally and encouraging a victim to not go to the authorities by definition that IS NOT being transparent. * Why is there is not a single instance I can find where "the CHURCH itself" has came forward first to the police? It is always been the victims that came forward after the victim went to the church leadership first. That is telling and damming all the same. Can you find an instance where an Overseer or worker has reported anything to the police or authorities? I cannot find a single solitary instance in any country. * Why is it standard operating procedure when a worker or leader is reported is to immediately move the perpetrator and NOT go to the police or local authorities? It is in fact a standing procedure and has been done dozens and dozens of times that we know of. This means those in charge are knowingly harboring criminals, period. Leroy Lerwick "We have some special knowledge that makes us wise even wiser than God. And we do not have to obey his counsel to not partake of the tree of this Wisdom, there will be no consequence." {This instills the belief that those in the Truth are wiser than God and there are circumstances where they do NOT have to follow the counsel of God.} WOW! The audacity of good ol Leroy, he has some big ol brass cahones as does anyone that repeats those words or implies them and that is the foundation of the church. Worship God and heed his counsel or else you will perish, except where we say then by all means go against God and follow our words. Doesn't that go along the lines of false prophecy?? What Leroy wrote would make me run as far away from the Truth as humanly possible as should it do and any person who has actually read the Bible or has faith In God. I am sure many of you will pick apart what I am saying to continue to obscure the truth about the Truth in hopes to cast doubt on what I am saying especially a couple people whom I seem to have rubbed the wrong way. My words to you people are easy and I stand by them. Time will be on my side as the longer it goes on the more you will find that what I said in the beginning will be as prophecy. I knew of many things and decided to help and give encouragement to the victims, that is my only goal. You cannot cast doubt on the silent thoughts my words will provoke for they are given with love and respect. I want to help, I do not know a single person on here. So please keep that in mind. I am doing my due diligence to inform people with info that is specific enough to show the breadth of the conspiracy and investigation to encourage others to come forward. For those that have not came forward use the hotline and be anonymous if needed but report them the same. Your report may help someone else not be victimized. God be with you and give you strength in your time of need. There is a large light that is shining on those that have done these horrific crimes and those that have knowingly harbored them. I bid the haters adieu.... Champion!!!! longest post ever. Whether true or false….
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 12, 2023 21:56:16 GMT -5
I confess I was fooled by Vinny's first post. I thought he was somewhat who knew what he was talking about. His lastest post is again littered with dodgy unsubstantiated opinion. I can't be bothered going to the effort of challenging him again like I did last time. He is a classic case of ' a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'.🤷♂️
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Dean Bruer
Apr 12, 2023 21:58:23 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 12, 2023 21:58:23 GMT -5
I am sure many of you will pick apart what I am saying to continue to obscure the truth about the Truth in hopes to cast doubt on what I am saying especially a couple people whom I seem to have rubbed the wrong way. My words to you people are easy and I stand by them. Time will be on my side as the longer it goes on the more you will find that what I said in the beginning will be as prophecy. I knew of many things and decided to help and give encouragement to the victims, that is my only goal. You cannot cast doubt on the silent thoughts my words will provoke for they are given with love and respect. I want to help, I do not know a single person on here. So please keep that in mind. I am doing my due diligence to inform people with info that is specific enough to show the breadth of the conspiracy and investigation to encourage others to come forward. For those that have not came forward use the hotline and be anonymous if needed but report them the same. Your report may help someone else not be victimized. God be with you and give you strength in your time of need. There is a large light that is shining on those that have done these horrific crimes and those that have knowingly harbored them. I bid the haters adieu.... When are you going to publish this novel? Hard to know if you and chinesewhispers are staying in the same unit together or if you actually have access to real information. This seems like a fixation. Where does everyone keep coming up with this “200” users or abusers #? I’ve seen it a few times now.
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Post by Dan on Apr 12, 2023 22:01:48 GMT -5
It's time the friends excommunicated the workers. Have a big clean out. Cut them adrift. Stop giving them money. That definitely would create change! It's sad that those who are genuine, loving people in the work have to suffer because of those workers who commit these offences. However, I have to wonder how many know of these things and while they are horrified by them, still kept silent for various reasons. Ahh! it's such a mess!
That is a frustrating thing for me to comprehend.. The 2 women waited until DB was pushing up daisies before they stepped-up to the plate and said something. If they hadn't remained silent, it may have saved others from being victimized. I just don't get it, they all ought to scream it from their rooftops like chinesewhispers does.. If abusers suspected that their victims would tell everyone what happened, that might be the best deterrent. But they rely on their victims staying quiet, and its their silence that enables a predator... jmo
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 12, 2023 22:23:59 GMT -5
When are you going to publish this novel? Hard to know if you and chinesewhispers are staying in the same unit together or if you actually have access to real information. This seems like a fixation. Where does everyone keep coming up with this “200” users or abusers #? I’ve seen it a few times now. Well Jenny do your research. Things are happening "regardless": of your opinion things are happening. I told all of you another Overseer was stepping down then a bunch of you blew me up. Well what happened??? Another Overseer stepped down/aside/back/sideways. I am sorry you're involved with this crazy sect. It is not about God. As good ol Leroy stated. I have NOTHING to do with chinesewhispers
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2023 22:25:43 GMT -5
If you are a worker or an enabler you would know. Are you suggesting you dont know it happens?. I have a massive chip on my shoulder about the deliberate deception and people who through our own short comings are manipulated by charlatans who say they have all the answers. You smell like one of those manipulaters. My soul is fine, I doubt you know anything about the orginal concept behind the word given how you used it, hence why I think you are a manipulator and very likely a charlatan. Im definitely not a worker or a enabler of the system, how about you?. Remember that doesn't mean I am not a 2x2. Chuck you have waffled and avoided answering the question I put to you. Chuck a serious allegation you make Do you have facts/evidence to support your words....You won't be able to answer the question because you have no evidence or facts. The allegation is a product of your malignant mindset rather than facts you haveNothing new, there is a small clique of such posters.🤷♂️😜! It would be foolish to give you my sources. I know it for a fact to be true. How about you go and ask some of head workers in Australia directly and see what they tell you. Ask them this specific question. Do you direct people that want to leave their estate to the workers to leave their estate to certain elders instead? Do you deny it happens?
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 12, 2023 22:26:38 GMT -5
I confess I was fooled by Vinny's first post. I thought he was somewhat who knew what he was talking about. His lastest post is again littered with dodgy unsubstantiated opinion. I can't be bothered going to the effort of challenging him again like I did last time. He is a classic case of ' a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'.🤷♂️ Dude you are delusional. Please please please keep on being you. Only makes you look like exactly what you are, covering. What "little: knowledge I said became true and more. Sorry there dude. oops, keep talking makes my job easier because you CAN'T dispute anything. You can ONLY obscure.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 12, 2023 22:37:10 GMT -5
Vinny, you weren’t the only one that knew a worker would be stepping back. We all knew it was going to happen before you even came along. For someone that has never professed or been part of this “crazy sect” you sure are obsessed with it. Maybe you’d like to attend a gospel meeting. I’m sure someone can get you in touch with workers in your area. Lol
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 12, 2023 22:43:14 GMT -5
Vinny, you weren’t the only one that knew a worker would be stepping back. We all knew it was going to happen before you even came along. For someone that has never professed or been part of this “crazy sect” you sure are obsessed with it. Maybe you’d like to attend a gospel meeting. I’m sure someone can get you in touch with workers in your area. Lol Others knew that an Overseer was stepping down? PROVE IT. oops I can absolutely get in touch with workers in my area. Why would I want to? Has little to do with God and more to do with control and a lot to do with and money. I know far more than I'm telling, please take your battle elsewhere you are ill equipped to handle me or the truth. I am so sick of you people. Bottom line is you have knowingly contributed to the sexual assault of others. Thats on YOU, I am not a part of this only trying to give hope to others.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 12, 2023 22:50:59 GMT -5
Vinny, you weren’t the only one that knew a worker would be stepping back. We all knew it was going to happen before you even came along. For someone that has never professed or been part of this “crazy sect” you sure are obsessed with it. Maybe you’d like to attend a gospel meeting. I’m sure someone can get you in touch with workers in your area. Lol PROVE IT
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Dean Bruer
Apr 12, 2023 22:54:53 GMT -5
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 12, 2023 22:54:53 GMT -5
Vinny, you weren’t the only one that knew a worker would be stepping back. We all knew it was going to happen before you even came along. For someone that has never professed or been part of this “crazy sect” you sure are obsessed with it. Maybe you’d like to attend a gospel meeting. I’m sure someone can get you in touch with workers in your area. Lol Others knew that an Overseer was stepping down? PROVE IT. oops I can absolutely get in touch with workers in my area. Why would I want to? Has little to do with God and more to do with control and a lot to do with and money. I know far more than I'm telling, please take your battle elsewhere you are ill equipped to handle me or the truth. I am so sick of you people. Bottom line is you have knowingly contributed to the sexual assault of others. Thats on YOU, I am not a part of this only trying to give hope to others. I can handle you and the truth , you fraud. You haven’t spoke a word of truth, besides what was already projected. You know so much!!! Please, all recognize our Lord and Savior Vinny T !!!!!
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 12, 2023 23:01:46 GMT -5
Others knew that an Overseer was stepping down? PROVE IT. oops I can absolutely get in touch with workers in my area. Why would I want to? Has little to do with God and more to do with control and a lot to do with and money. I know far more than I'm telling, please take your battle elsewhere you are ill equipped to handle me or the truth. I am so sick of you people. Bottom line is you have knowingly contributed to the sexual assault of others. Thats on YOU, I am not a part of this only trying to give hope to others. I can handle you and the truth , you fraud. You haven’t spoke a word of truth, besides what was already projected. You know so much!!! Please, all recognize our Lord and Savior Vinny T !!!!! Keep talking there bud. Makes you look so intelligent. By your words I can see that your still entrenched. I'm sorry, its not my fault there bud. You have no one to blame but yourself and your savior is Jesus Christ unless the workers say otherwise. Keep talking..... I've done nothing wrong, it's odd and very telling that you get so upset with me but NOT the ones that did the crimes. $$
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Dean Bruer
Apr 12, 2023 23:14:29 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 12, 2023 23:14:29 GMT -5
Vinny, you weren’t the only one that knew a worker would be stepping back. We all knew it was going to happen before you even came along. For someone that has never professed or been part of this “crazy sect” you sure are obsessed with it. Maybe you’d like to attend a gospel meeting. I’m sure someone can get you in touch with workers in your area. Lol Others knew that an Overseer was stepping down? PROVE IT. oops I can absolutely get in touch with workers in my area. Why would I want to? Has little to do with God and more to do with control and a lot to do with and money. I know far more than I'm telling, please take your battle elsewhere you are ill equipped to handle me or the truth. I am so sick of you people. Bottom line is you have knowingly contributed to the sexual assault of others. Thats on YOU, I am not a part of this only trying to give hope to others. You have zero idea what you’re talking about. You have one friend that told you what it was like when they used to be a 2x2 and then you read a bunch of stuff online from people that are no longer part of the group… a little biased maybe, but anyhow, you think you’re an expert now. Not to mention you’re also completely fixated and obsessed with F&W. Your updates are useless. You think you’re going to be the saviour of 2x2s with your dumbass updates, they contribute nothing. You and chinesewhispers must be roommates.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 12, 2023 23:18:40 GMT -5
I can handle you and the truth , you fraud. You haven’t spoke a word of truth, besides what was already projected. You know so much!!! Please, all recognize our Lord and Savior Vinny T !!!!! Keep talking there bud. Makes you look so intelligent. By your words I can see that your still entrenched. I'm sorry, its not my fault there bud. You have no one to blame but yourself and your savior is Jesus Christ unless the workers say otherwise. Keep talking..... I've done nothing wrong, it's odd and very telling that you get so upset with me but NOT the ones that did the crimes. $$ Butterfingers I am just a weather vane I do not make the wind blow. I am sorry your feathers are ruffled but I am not the wind, You sir are the one who believes in the wind that fondles children and the leaves that cover it up. THAT is what YOU believe sir. I bid you adieu
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Dean Bruer
Apr 12, 2023 23:23:12 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Roselyn T on Apr 12, 2023 23:23:12 GMT -5
Chuck a serious allegation you make Do you have facts/evidence to support your words.... or do we correctly understand you are one of the poor souls that post on this forum... with a large chip on your shoulder and this is... yet another of your malignant disinformation statements! 🤷♂️😜 If you are a worker or an enabler you would know. Are you suggesting you dont know it happens?. I have a massive chip on my shoulder about the deliberate deception and people who through our own short comings are manipulated by charlatans who say they have all the answers. You smell like one of those manipulaters. My soul is fine, I doubt you know anything about the orginal concept behind the word given how you used it, hence why I think you are a manipulator and very likely a charlatan. Im definitely not a worker or a enabler of the system, how about you?. Remember that doesn't mean I am not a 2x2. Great "review" chuck !
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Post by fixit on Apr 12, 2023 23:26:03 GMT -5
That definitely would create change! It's sad that those who are genuine, loving people in the work have to suffer because of those workers who commit these offences. However, I have to wonder how many know of these things and while they are horrified by them, still kept silent for various reasons. Ahh! it's such a mess! That is a frustrating thing for me to comprehend.. The 2 women waited until DB was pushing up daisies before they stepped-up to the plate and said something. If they hadn't remained silent, it may have saved others from being victimized. I just don't get it, they all ought to scream it from their rooftops like chinesewhispers does.. If abusers suspected that their victims would tell everyone what happened, that might be the best deterrent. But they rely on their victims staying quiet, and its their silence that enables a predator... jmo
It's extremely difficult for most victims to report. It's our responsibility to protect children and bring the perps to justice. Not children's responsibility.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 12, 2023 23:29:18 GMT -5
Others knew that an Overseer was stepping down? PROVE IT. oops I can absolutely get in touch with workers in my area. Why would I want to? Has little to do with God and more to do with control and a lot to do with and money. I know far more than I'm telling, please take your battle elsewhere you are ill equipped to handle me or the truth. I am so sick of you people. Bottom line is you have knowingly contributed to the sexual assault of others. Thats on YOU, I am not a part of this only trying to give hope to others. You have zero idea what you’re talking about. You have one friend that told you what it was like when they used to be a 2x2 and then you read a bunch of stuff online from people that are no longer part of the group… a little biased maybe, but anyhow, you think you’re an expert now. Not to mention you’re also completely fixated and obsessed with F&W. Your updates are useless. You think you’re going to be the saviour of 2x2s with your dumbass updates, they contribute nothing. You and chinesewhispers must be roommates. Wow. I honestly don't know what to say to someone as delusional as yourself. Lady I do not know chinesewhispers and she's not a fan IF you read everything. I am just a person who is stating things as they are. I am sorry your FAITH that you participate in is in that habit of covering up child sexual abuse and rape. I didn't do that thats on them. I am sorry you and butterfingers are entrenched as you are. I am sorry that your Wednesdays, Fridays depending on where you are and Sundays are gone to a faith the defiles God and Jesus. I am sorry that you are falsely angry at a someone who is only reporting the truth which will come out. Cry all you want lady as time goes on you will silently look back at the things I said and be angrier still. Does NOT mean what I said was false. I have no inclinations of being the savior of the 2x2's nor do I want to. Maybe you have selective reading like you have selective hearing. I want to help the VICTIMS not the likes of you. Why would I want to help you? So again.....PROVE IT As I said before can you PROVE it was known before I said it? NOPE
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 12, 2023 23:31:22 GMT -5
Wow, it’s been awhile, for someone so invested in this. Do you need to go take your drugs? Excuse me butterfingers, maybe just take a step back before you start saying things like that to 1chinesewhispers.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 12, 2023 23:36:09 GMT -5
That definitely would create change! It's sad that those who are genuine, loving people in the work have to suffer because of those workers who commit these offences. However, I have to wonder how many know of these things and while they are horrified by them, still kept silent for various reasons. Ahh! it's such a mess! That is a frustrating thing for me to comprehend.. The 2 women waited until DB was pushing up daisies before they stepped-up to the plate and said something. If they hadn't remained silent, it may have saved others from being victimized. I just don't get it, they all ought to scream it from their rooftops like chinesewhispers does.. If abusers suspected that their victims would tell everyone what happened, that might be the best deterrent. But they rely on their victims staying quiet, and its their silence that enables a predator... jmo
What you need to remember is that EVERY ABUSER leaves their victims with a threat. And the workers have the best one of all -- if you tell, they can kick you out and you go to hell, after you've been thoroughly shamed by the publicity they can provide for you.
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 12, 2023 23:43:40 GMT -5
In respect to the “200” number - is that for victims or abusers? And where did that # come from? Is that real or a guesstimate?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 23:44:11 GMT -5
Can you take it any lower ? They are picked for a reason . Like them or not . Fixit , is standing with those who have endured CSA & SA . Pretty sure he’s not doing stupid -hit like some worker’s and elders and professing peeps . In all years we never spoke like that to an elder , unless they had been involved in CSA OR SA . There is a reason they get picked and I am sure being turned down from the WORKERS to be a worker , was a great decision . To everything there is a time but remember this ……….. Before you spread gossip about somebody's life and their failures.. Remember, there are chapters of your life you don't want read out loud either. Since I got turned down by MH, I'm not sad anymore. I'm actually glad at this point I was rejected. I could have ended up being his companion. You should take your own advice.
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Apr 12, 2023 23:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 12, 2023 23:53:17 GMT -5
Chuck you have waffled and avoided answering the question I put to you. Chuck a serious allegation you make Do you have facts/evidence to support your words....You won't be able to answer the question because you have no evidence or facts. The allegation is a product of your malignant mindset rather than facts you haveNothing new, there is a small clique of such posters.🤷♂️😜! It would be foolish to give you my sources. I know it for a fact to be true. How about you go and ask some of head workers in Australia directly and see what they tell you. Ask them this specific question. Do you direct people that want to leave their estate to the workers to leave their estate to certain elders instead? Do you deny it happens? More chuck waffle /fudging and obfuscation about his allegation! It's overdue time that someone has called you out on your misinformation and disinformation. Ok your turn to come up with something else....which will be anything except substantiation of your wild allegation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 23:56:30 GMT -5
Chuck a serious allegation you make Do you have facts/evidence to support your words.... or do we correctly understand you are one of the poor souls that post on this forum... with a large chip on your shoulder and this is... yet another of your malignant disinformation statements! 🤷♂️😜 My soul is fine, I wouldn't count on that...just sayin'
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 12, 2023 23:58:20 GMT -5
In respect to the “200” number - is that for victims or abusers? And where did that # come from? Is that real or a guesstimate? Do some research jennyfromtheblock, it's all over the internet!
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Post by jennyfromtheblock on Apr 12, 2023 23:59:26 GMT -5
In respect to the “200” number - is that for victims or abusers? And where did that # come from? Is that real or a guesstimate? Do some research jennyfromtheblock, it's all over the internet! Thanks for your help
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 13, 2023 0:00:38 GMT -5
It would be foolish to give you my sources. I know it for a fact to be true. How about you go and ask some of head workers in Australia directly and see what they tell you. Ask them this specific question. Do you direct people that want to leave their estate to the workers to leave their estate to certain elders instead? Do you deny it happens? More chuck waffle /fudging and obfuscation about his allegation! It's overdue time that someone has called you out on your misinformation and disinformation. Ok your turn to come up with something else....which will be anything except substantiation of your wild allegation. As if chuck is going to tell you internationalstudies ! Go ask some Head Workers in Australia as chuck has said, especially in Victoria!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 13, 2023 0:01:49 GMT -5
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