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Post by snow on Apr 12, 2023 17:48:13 GMT -5
Who’s holding overseers accountable? I would think other workers and elders need to step up. My answer to this would be (deep sigh). It's complicated. During all the unrest in Alberta, with the incorporation, and a number of other issues in the 1990's, some very wise and deeply responsible elders confronted the workers at a meeting. My understanding was that they were mostly rebuffed. Ones who did not somewhat back down were eventually expelled from the fellowship. So, I'm not sure what the options are if you want to stand up for what you think is right. My choice was voting with my feet, a choice I do not regret to this day. The sentiment that I occasionally expressed to ones closest to me in my exiting process was "I would defy God himself if I thought he was wrong." I still would. I have zero inside knowledge, but from my observations through the years, I think the overseer positions are deeply political. I think someone on a thread here suggested it might be like the mafia. I don't think so, it is more like a franchise operation. The holder(s) of a franchise in one area have the tacit agreement to not overly interfere in another franchise area. Of course, there are appointees and alliances that can consolidate some semblance of power. I think this is a result of the George Walker/Jack Carroll split of North America, where they had some fundamental disagreements over some issues, but agreed to largely let the other run things the way they wanted. But what do I know? Good point. It sure didn't work out so well for those who confronted the workers in Alberta. Maybe this time a majority of the friends will confront the workers. How many members can they afford to excommunicate and still survive and be supported?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 12, 2023 17:52:32 GMT -5
My answer to this would be (deep sigh). It's complicated. During all the unrest in Alberta, with the incorporation, and a number of other issues in the 1990's, some very wise and deeply responsible elders confronted the workers at a meeting. My understanding was that they were mostly rebuffed. Ones who did not somewhat back down were eventually expelled from the fellowship. So, I'm not sure what the options are if you want to stand up for what you think is right. My choice was voting with my feet, a choice I do not regret to this day. The sentiment that I occasionally expressed to ones closest to me in my exiting process was "I would defy God himself if I thought he was wrong." I still would. I have zero inside knowledge, but from my observations through the years, I think the overseer positions are deeply political. I think someone on a thread here suggested it might be like the mafia. I don't think so, it is more like a franchise operation. The holder(s) of a franchise in one area have the tacit agreement to not overly interfere in another franchise area. Of course, there are appointees and alliances that can consolidate some semblance of power. I think this is a result of the George Walker/Jack Carroll split of North America, where they had some fundamental disagreements over some issues, but agreed to largely let the other run things the way they wanted. But what do I know? Good point. It sure didn't work out so well for those who confronted the workers in Alberta. Maybe this time a majority of the friends will confront the workers. How many members can they afford to excommunicate and still survive and be supported? It's time the friends excommunicated the workers. Have a big clean out. Cut them adrift. Stop giving them money.
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Post by matisse on Apr 12, 2023 18:08:18 GMT -5
"ACOA", Adult Children of Alcoholics is worth a look, as well, for insight into the effects of growing up in an extended dysfunctional family. Yes I am familiar with ACOA. I think it is the atmosphere of secrecy and cover ups that creates a lot of the dysfunction as well as doesn’t really address the heart of the problem. Easier to avoid it and call it being nice…. Jesus wasn’t always “nice”. I presumed you knew about it, but wanted to name it on this thread. When several years after leaving meetings, I landed with a therapist, she eventually shared with me that some things about my presentation made her think, "adult child of alcoholics," and suggested I might find the 12-step approach useful. I found a book, "The Secular Guide to the Twelve Steps" (back then, any mention of "God" was triggering to me), and ended up using it as a rough framework for my therapy. Steps 4 and 5 were terrifying, and ultimately incredibly useful towards learning to forgive myself for being human, and in turn, learning to forgive others for being human, including the ancestors who brought my family into the 2x2s.
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Post by snow on Apr 12, 2023 18:23:31 GMT -5
Good point. It sure didn't work out so well for those who confronted the workers in Alberta. Maybe this time a majority of the friends will confront the workers. How many members can they afford to excommunicate and still survive and be supported? It's time the friends excommunicated the workers. Have a big clean out. Cut them adrift. Stop giving them money. That definitely would create change! It's sad that those who are genuine, loving people in the work have to suffer because of those workers who commit these offences. However, I have to wonder how many know of these things and while they are horrified by them, still kept silent for various reasons. Ahh! it's such a mess!
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2023 18:29:14 GMT -5
I don't believe I bring peace by moving trouble making workers interstate or overseas.....how about you? I have to wonder about workers being sent overseas to countries like Sri Lanka or Australia. What dirty deeds did the travel hide? They will never tell unless put in a position they have no option. One thing I do know far too often being sent over seas, interstate, resting and sick leave are a result of shenanigans of various levels or health problems due to the shenanigans. They lie to the laity evey time they send out a workers list.
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2023 18:37:33 GMT -5
Dan, I'm sorry but that is not how the world works. One or two bad apples puts the whole work under suspicion. If it didn't, then why the need for secrecy and cover ups? One or two always brings with it the thinking .... 'I wonder how many more there are?' There's a responsibility to answer that question!
In this particular case, I think secrecy and any thought of a cover-up was thrown out the window. To make every decent Worker a suspect is unfair, its like condemning all the apostles because of one Judas. I agree that more oversight needs to be put in place and that illicit conduct should never be concealed, but bringing shame upon the innocent because of the actions of a few isn't justice. i.e; If you worked with someone who turned out to be a thief, would you appreciate being lumped under the same suspicious cloud as the thief?
It's not one thief one time. If I worked with someone's who turned out to be thieves and they kept getting away with it I would run a mile so I wasn't in the cloud......
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2023 18:49:54 GMT -5
I have to wonder about workers being sent overseas to countries like Sri Lanka or Australia. What dirty deeds did the travel hide? I also think back to a certain overseers two brothers being incredibly wealthy. With the benifit of age I see these two guys were in average paying industries, and the wealth is unexplained. I know money and wealth left to overseers is deliberately directed to and controlled by laity loyal to the system. It is no surprise that some of these people are corrupted by it and use it for their own means.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 12, 2023 18:52:50 GMT -5
Yes I am familiar with ACOA. I think it is the atmosphere of secrecy and cover ups that creates a lot of the dysfunction as well as doesn’t really address the heart of the problem. Easier to avoid it and call it being nice…. Jesus wasn’t always “nice”. I presumed you knew about it, but wanted to name it on this thread. When several years after leaving meetings, I landed with a therapist, she eventually shared with me that some things about my presentation made her think, "adult child of alcoholics," and suggested I might find the 12-step approach useful. I found a book, "The Secular Guide to the Twelve Steps" (back then, any mention of "God" was triggering to me), and ended up using it as a rough framework for my therapy. Steps 4 and 5 were terrifying, and ultimately incredibly useful towards learning to forgive myself for being human, and in turn, learning to forgive others for being human, including the ancestors who brought my family into the 2x2s. Steps 4 and then The 5 is remarkable to free yourself and make amends to those whom would except it . 9 1/2 hours and the weight of the world dropped off my shoulders . It was AA . Yes I was a high functioning alcoholic ! But why ? I think we are watching it play out as the workers are scrambling ! HOW IS THE FUNDS OF THE VICTIMS DOING !!!!!! Show me the money ! SHOW US THE MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2023 19:02:26 GMT -5
I also think back to a certain overseers two brothers being incredibly wealthy. With the benifit of age I see these two guys were in average paying industries, and the wealth is unexplained. Did I ever tell you about the time I was going through mug shots looking for clues to another crime when I spotted one of the very pious friends who had kindly posed for a pic in the station. He was caught being a peeping tom. He is now an elder. Has been for years. Does he mention in his testimony the time he got caught peeping in girls bedrooms? By their fruits you shall know them.....
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2023 19:05:40 GMT -5
Chuck you know everything about everything and also seem one of the most happy, pleasant at peace guys I've met in a long time. It comes through in every post you make. I'm also pleased that you get helpful cathartic release with posting. With appreciation!😀👍 p.s. Now post so you can have the last word and I'll leave you to your nonsense.🤷♂️😜🤣 Are you a pillow salesman? I could be wrong but my bet is "a worker"
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 12, 2023 19:10:09 GMT -5
Your indifference to the suffering of victims is noted. God is watching. As if you have a clue. Authoritarian. You would make a victim of everyone in America and elsewhere that wishes to defend themselves in your irrational vendetta against firearms. And you just stepped up and defended someone that said a pedo was the best thing to happen to us(2x2's). You should be stripped of your Bishopprick now. God is watching scientist... I thought fixit was just an elderprick or a deaconprick. Don't you have to be an overseer to be a bishopprick?
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 12, 2023 19:13:23 GMT -5
I had a friend one time who was teaching and across the hall from her classroom was this male teacher; married with kids. Anyways...my friend and other employees at the school noticed he got close to a female student, a teenager and she would go to his room after school was out. And she did it on a regular basis, apparently. And then, they were pretty sure something more than just helping with homework was going on. The girl evnetually got pregnant. Anyway, more than my friend knew about this and it carried on for some time. This was in the 90's, if I remember correctly. My friend was telling me about this and I asked her if anyone reported it to the principal. And no one had. She said things like, well, we haven't actually seen them do anything, but we're pretty sure they are having a relationship; probably sexual. I told my friend, "You have to report this. You have no choice. It is simply not right. And he's married. And now she is pregnant.". So it got reported and he lost his job and I don't know what happened to him after that except he did lose his marriage too. Well, that's man's wisdom. If you accept God's word, the teacher gets to increment his number of wives by one and the girl's father gets paid off and becomes the proud new owner of several goats.
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 12, 2023 19:25:54 GMT -5
In criminal matters the correct authorities to report to are the police, not workers. The impression must not be given that the workers are to be the first point of reporting, especially on account of their adverse approach to organisation and responsibility. At least in the UK there are evidential factors regarding who a female first reports or makes a statement to, after she has been sexually assaulted. Until the workers fully join the 21st century in these and other matters, they should have as little involvement as possible in the early stages of an investigation. They will on hinder.
I agree that reporting any crime to the police should be step one. But any investigation would require pertinent information from the group (Workers). If they are left unaware and kept in the dark, then any help relevant to an investigation would be limited.
I wouldn't hold your breath on the church joining the 21st century, they will remain unnamed because Jesus didn't name his church or start a new denomination, and you can't suck money out of an unpaid rogue preacher that's gone bad If they have a hierarchy then they can be sued and the victim survivors compensated, so they will never admit they are an organisation. I would say the 200 is the tip of the iceberg within the whole group.
I agree, with no head honcho or official church board, who do you sue? Victims could sue the individual offender, but a Worker has no income or wages to garnish. I suppose they could sue the group (Workers) for a lack of oversight which contributed to the abuse, but who would you serve with a lawsuit? I reckon they could track DB's credit card and attach a lean against any money left in the associated bank account? But I highly doubt anything like that is probable.
I reckon that convention owners are the most exposed to lawsuits, due to the abuse that happens on their property.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 19:37:56 GMT -5
As if you have a clue. Authoritarian. You would make a victim of everyone in America and elsewhere that wishes to defend themselves in your irrational vendetta against firearms. And you just stepped up and defended someone that said a pedo was the best thing to happen to us(2x2's). You should be stripped of your Bishopprick now. God is watching scientist... Bishopprick? Is that a thing? 😂 Yes but with one less P. Acts 1:20...
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 12, 2023 19:45:35 GMT -5
Well, it’s apparent the of critical thinking on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 19:46:09 GMT -5
As if you have a clue. Authoritarian. You would make a victim of everyone in America and elsewhere that wishes to defend themselves in your irrational vendetta against firearms. And you just stepped up and defended someone that said a pedo was the best thing to happen to us(2x2's). You should be stripped of your Bishopprick now. God is watching scientist... I thought fixit was just an elderprick or a deaconprick. Don't you have to be an overseer to be a bishopprick? Elders are the bishops... You are probably right about the first one...
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 12, 2023 19:46:52 GMT -5
Well, it’s apparent the of critical thinking on this board. Lack
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 12, 2023 20:00:20 GMT -5
Can you take it any lower ? They are picked for a reason . Like them or not . Fixit , is standing with those who have endured CSA & SA . Pretty sure he’s not doing stupid -hit like some worker’s and elders and professing peeps . In all years we never spoke like that to an elder , unless they had been involved in CSA OR SA . There is a reason they get picked and I am sure being turned down from the WORKERS to be a worker , was a great decision . To everything there is a time but remember this ………..
Before you spread gossip about somebody's life and their failures.. Remember, there are chapters of your life you don't want read out loud either.
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Post by openingact34 on Apr 12, 2023 20:10:45 GMT -5
I thought fixit was just an elderprick or a deaconprick. Don't you have to be an overseer to be a bishopprick? Elders are the bishops... You are probably right about the first one... Oh right...sorry about that. I got you 2x2s mixed up with the Catholics because both cults are so full of CSA predators.
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 12, 2023 20:20:15 GMT -5
Can you take it any lower ? They are picked for a reason . Like them or not . Fixit , is standing with those who have endured CSA & SA . Pretty sure he’s not doing stupid -hit like some worker’s and elders and professing peeps . In all years we never spoke like that to an elder , unless they had been involved in CSA OR SA . There is a reason they get picked and I am sure being turned down from the WORKERS to be a worker , was a great decision . To everything there is a time but remember this ……….. Before you spread gossip about somebody's life and their failures.. Remember, there are chapters of your life you don't want read out loud either. My failures have definitely not met yours. I wonder about the term “victim” sometimes. Again, about critical thinking…..
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 12, 2023 20:23:33 GMT -5
Can you take it any lower ? They are picked for a reason . Like them or not . Fixit , is standing with those who have endured CSA & SA . Pretty sure he’s not doing stupid -hit like some worker’s and elders and professing peeps . In all years we never spoke like that to an elder , unless they had been involved in CSA OR SA . There is a reason they get picked and I am sure being turned down from the WORKERS to be a worker , was a great decision . To everything there is a time but remember this ……….. Before you spread gossip about somebody's life and their failures.. Remember, there are chapters of your life you don't want read out loud either. My failures have definitely not met yours. I wonder about the term “victim” sometimes. Again, about critical thinking….. Ya wasn’t addressing you . But you are free to post whatever your heart desires . My bad !!
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 12, 2023 20:26:00 GMT -5
My failures have definitely not met yours. I wonder about the term “victim” sometimes. Again, about critical thinking….. Ya wasn’t addressing you . But you are free to post whatever your heart desires . I will, thank you. I’m glad I have your permission.
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 12, 2023 20:27:06 GMT -5
My failures have definitely not met yours. I wonder about the term “victim” sometimes. Again, about critical thinking….. Ya wasn’t addressing you . But you are free to post whatever your heart desires . My bad !! [b Do you have an actual response?
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 12, 2023 20:50:35 GMT -5
Ya wasn’t addressing you . But you are free to post whatever your heart desires . My bad !! [b Do you have an actual response? Wow, it’s been awhile, for someone so invested in this.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 12, 2023 20:56:43 GMT -5
I also think back to a certain overseers two brothers being incredibly wealthy. With the benifit of age I see these two guys were in average paying industries, and the wealth is unexplained. I know money and wealth left to overseers is deliberately directed to and controlled by laity loyal to the system. It is no surprise that some of these people are corrupted by it and use it for their own means. Chuck a serious allegation you make Do you have facts/evidence to support your words.... or do we correctly understand you are one of the poor souls that post on this forum... with a large chip on your shoulder and this is... yet another of your malignant disinformation statements! 🤷♂️😜
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 12, 2023 21:03:40 GMT -5
I know money and wealth left to overseers is deliberately directed to and controlled by laity loyal to the system. It is no surprise that some of these people are corrupted by it and use it for their own means. Chuck a serious allegation you make Do you have facts/evidence to support your words.... or do we correctly understand you are one of the poor souls that post on this forum... with a large chip on your shoulder and this is... yet another of your malignant disinformation statements! 🤷♂️😜 Yowwwww!!!!!!!
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2023 21:15:55 GMT -5
I know money and wealth left to overseers is deliberately directed to and controlled by laity loyal to the system. It is no surprise that some of these people are corrupted by it and use it for their own means. Chuck a serious allegation you make Do you have facts/evidence to support your words.... or do we correctly understand you are one of the poor souls that post on this forum... with a large chip on your shoulder and this is... yet another of your malignant disinformation statements! 🤷♂️😜 If you are a worker or an enabler you would know. Are you suggesting you dont know it happens?. I have a massive chip on my shoulder about the deliberate deception and people who through our own short comings are manipulated by charlatans who say they have all the answers. You smell like one of those manipulaters. My soul is fine, I doubt you know anything about the orginal concept behind the word given how you used it, hence why I think you are a manipulator and very likely a charlatan. Im definitely not a worker or a enabler of the system, how about you?. Remember that doesn't mean I am not a 2x2.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 12, 2023 21:36:48 GMT -5
So this is latest update sent to me by an insider . Yes a documentary is apparently being made. Efforts are being made re: resources for victims. The fb 2×2 support group is really great. Up to about 1200 members now. The case is not closed!!!! Ok NEW new update on the laptop case: The Clackamas County police were giving mixed information due to some confusion at the department . Ok NEW new update on the laptop case: We finally got ahold of the Sergeant who explained that the case IS open and active, however they cannot access the laptop without a victim in Clackamas County who believes there is evidence of the crime on the laptop and without a warrant to search the laptop. Thanks to my source . Omg what a great snooze . Thx to my doctor . I also remember Nathan stating he slept on the floor . Hhhhhhmmmmm ! Will update as I get updated . You can’t tell me that , some didn’t know . They sat on the information and deserve jail time . This is just the tip of the iceberg ! Hello there, This is my first post. I'd like to explain a few things that may not be apparent. I am posting to inform people what I know and I will not be guessing unless I state that based upon my experience and knowledge. Information is what people will be using to make decisions and the more accurate information people have the better decisions they can make. First of all I am not law enforcement but I have worked with and trained law enforcement for decades. I have talked to a couple close friends of mine who shall remain un-named because they gave me information that is not easily available. My reason for posting is that I have someone very close to me that has escaped this "religious sect" and the many types of abuse that have thrived from within the group due to its policies, procedures and the level of secrecy on how things are ran. Such as the severe lack of a real and documented organization, bank and financial records, membership records etc. They have thrived because of the lack of any accountability, and that they have severely discouraged people from reporting any and all issues. As well as not taken needed steps to prosecute those that have taken advantage of or harmed others in the various ways. They simply relocated them and that's not moral, ethical or should ever be done. It only "encourages" offenders to continue offending. I am going to list some things that pertain to this ongoing investigation as well as any investigation. These are basic principals that law enforcement adhere to in order to properly investigate this as well as anything. * There is an open case in Clackamas * I have seen an email that was from a patrol officer. Any patrol officer is not in charge of or involved in any investigation. They respond to 911 calls, emergencies and minor investigations. They are not involved in major investigations except on minor levels. * The bulk of major investigations as well as most investigations are left up to people that specialize in those areas such as sex crimes and financial crimes for example. They are called detectives. * Any detective or police officer cannot comment on an ongoing investigation. * Law enforcement cannot speak about those that are being investigated either. Not until such individuals are actually charged with a crime. Then it's public knowledge, albeit you have to look to know if someone is charged. * Law enforcement cannot speak about investigations in another jurisdiction or from another agency either as that is not their purview. * With regards to this investigation I can say that it is far bigger than most realize and it will not be finished quickly most likely. Reason being is they are being thorough and will make sure all avenues are covered. * I can also say that to "to my knowledge" this is going to be the biggest or one of the biggest sex crime cases involving a religious order in the United States. *** This has also been extended to the Federal side of things because and I am guessing on this but from what I do know there are crimes done by individuals in multiple States. *** Another reason it is a Federal case is because there is alot of money being exchanged for a large sect that doesn't have any financial records so to speak or bank accounts in said religious orders name. Private people are paying for an international religious organization with no orginization or records so to speak of and no oversight. * In order to have a case open there has to be a crime that is suspected to have been done. This case started before the laptop was compelled to be turned over. * A forensic accountant can get into any account that's connected to the laptop or owner of the laptop or the phone which was wiped and given away to my knowledge. They wiped the phone but alot of things are stored online. There is ALOT that's being done wrong by many people and this is not a good thing because there has been alot of abuse that's been done by many many people for a very long time. Including rape, child sexual abuse, assault, major financial crimes, coercion and others. There has been known sexual crimes where the victims have been coerced into not pressing charges and the offender has simply been moved to another state to continue offending. So very wrong on so many levels. This is all I am going to say for now. If anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to ask. I will do my best to help. I hope this clears alot of things up especially those that are not familiar with how the American Judicial Syatem and law enforcement procedures. Again I am not law enforcement but I have worked with them and know several people in multiple agencies that have told me things to help clear things up. I imagine it is hard to come forward but others need as many who have been harmed to come forward and report the abuse. It may get some semblance of closure for you as well as justice for others. God bless you all. Sincerely, Vinny T * * * I shall start with a bit of scripture because I find very accurate in this instance: The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light. They lived in a land of shadows, and now the light is shining on them. (Isaiah 9:2) In all reality what I say will not dissuade someone from professing or from attending meeting and that is not my goal. However each person that is in the Truth knows right and wrong regardless if they admit it out loud to others. As an adult of average intelligence a person by the age of 25 has a very keenly developed sense of right and wrong. As well as personal meanings of right and wrong that are developed on a personal level. Some people find racism a hot topic and others sexual assault. Both are wrong yet each person has developed their own personal right and wrong list of things that we have experienced. When there is an organization that has a fundamental principle of ignoring ALL crimes and sexual crimes even those that are against children and shunning and silencing the victims that cannot be a good organization can it? Yet here we are talking about this and trying to help by giving information I have been attacked publicly and privately. Turns out that what I originally knew of 51 people being investigated in now well over 200. I am getting another update in the next few days maybe a week which depending on how this is received I will give more info. Don't know if it's worth my time to be honest as I have not received warmly to say the least. The only info I can or will give is info that will not undermine the many investigations going on in the other states, counties, countries and districts. None of them can give specifics about an investigation that is ongoing. I will say that this is far bigger and has severe widespread implications of rape, sodomy of a minor, money laundering, child sexual abuse and more. The list that is being investigated is extensive as is the amount of people being investigated. This will take a long time to get to the truth about the Truth. That is why I will not give any details or specifics about the investigations. Something I say is for illustrative purposes only to show the magnitude and depth of this ongoing criminal investigation and conspiracy and the lengths the "truth" has went to keep things hidden. However on the basis of being transparent I am not law enforcement but have trained many law enforcement professionals including detectives and S.W.A.T. I am also not nor have I ever "professed" but I am very much in the know about the inner workings of this extreme religious sect. After just a couple weeks since I made this first post it turns out that what I originally knew has grown into being far bigger still. The more time that passes the more of my original statement will be made clear. This is the largest sex crimes investigation in the United States. I'd like to clear a few things up so there is no confusion for people. - There was already an investigation into the 2x2's going on. That is why the private investigators talked to Doyle Smith to convince him to relinquish the laptop. - There is absolutely zero proof that Doyle Smith was going to turn in the laptop before speaking to the Private Investigator. - The proof he wasn't going to turn it in were the months that passed with No letter except a glowing letter about Dean Bruer that has since been retracted. There was no mention of ANY wrong doing prior to the laptop being released by him or anyone during September, October, November, December, January, Febuary or March. ONLY glowing and praising words of the late Dean Bruer. - The laptop is far more crucial than most realize as it is the proverbial smoking gun. Since the release of the laptop the floodgates have opened and combined with the hotline has allowed people the reason and means to come forward report these crimes along "with others" that this extremist religious sect has done. - The Mark Huddle situation is more nefarious than innocent. One does not step down/out/back/sideways from a position for having a child sit on ones lap. To believe so only shows the level of mind control they have invoked on you. Those that keep defending him I don't blame you for you do not know what you are saying. You are only defending something you hold sacred, I admire that. However common sense dictates that where there is smoke there is fire, scientific common sense dictates where there is smoke there is heat. Do this for yourself privately: A. Take a step back and see if you can understand why others would be upset. B. Would you protect the organization if it happened to you, your children sister, mother or other family member? - There is mind control tactics being displayed as many of the statements have severe implications about your salvation if you do do this or that including report the crimes. There is no reason certain words and phrases are used especially to women such as: "For the Kingdoms sake {which is more about their Kingdom here then it is about a heavenly Kingdom}, The enemy of our soul is being worldly {most often said when trying to influence someone from being worldly IE taking part of the world like wearing makeup or wearing their hair in something other than a bun OR reporting a sexual crime to the authorities because they want to handle things internally among the brethren and leadership}, if you leave the truth you are lost for all eternity, outsiders {refers to anyone not professing, a worker or an Overseer}, We want to be like the tree planted near the water bearing good fruit and not wither away {Which goes to show ones desire to do good by staying faithful to the way and not withering away if one leaves the group}. We are Gods people the rest are outsiders. {Meaning there is a difference and they have passed judgement for those not in the "Way" The scriptures say to not judge others.}. Also using scripture to dissuade people from reporting for fear of being worldly is straight up manipulation through words. Serving God in a way contrary to scriptures {that is contradictory because the faith routinely avoids many many sections and books of the Bible itself because it speaks of the truth of the one truth dispensation which the Truth, the Way the 2x2's are definitely NOT descended from Christ. The Kingdom is great and the laborers few. {Giving special privileges to the "workers" and elevating them among the standard member.} - Another form of mind control is when a group puts into practice is the shamming and shunning of those that do report the crimes even if they don't report them to the police and it is just among those in the group leadership. There are special sections in local books cutely called "the poop list" for those that are shunned. This is not my opinion, this is fact in subliminal messaging through internal policy as wrote about in the book Illuminati: Total Mind Control. Doing so inhibits crimes being reported and inhibits transparency. - Another standard operating procedure is to avoid informing those in the congregation when a convicted pedophile or sexual predator is attending. - In fact there is more done to silence those in "the way" from even talking about these things instead of reporting it to the police. One anonymous tip and its reported. * With the major focus on NOT being transparent and NOT reporting things they focus on handling things internally. When the focus is on handling things internally and encouraging a victim to not go to the authorities by definition that IS NOT being transparent. * Why is there is not a single instance I can find where "the CHURCH itself" has came forward first to the police? It is always been the victims that came forward after the victim went to the church leadership first. That is telling and damming all the same. Can you find an instance where an Overseer or worker has reported anything to the police or authorities? I cannot find a single solitary instance in any country. * Why is it standard operating procedure when a worker or leader is reported is to immediately move the perpetrator and NOT go to the police or local authorities? It is in fact a standing procedure and has been done dozens and dozens of times that we know of. This means those in charge are knowingly harboring criminals, period. Leroy Lerwick "We have some special knowledge that makes us wise even wiser than God. And we do not have to obey his counsel to not partake of the tree of this Wisdom, there will be no consequence." {This instills the belief that those in the Truth are wiser than God and there are circumstances where they do NOT have to follow the counsel of God.} WOW! The audacity of good ol Leroy, he has some big ol brass cahones as does anyone that repeats those words or implies them and that is the foundation of the church. Worship God and heed his counsel or else you will perish, except where we say then by all means go against God and follow our words. Doesn't that go along the lines of false prophecy?? What Leroy wrote would make me run as far away from the Truth as humanly possible as should it do and any person who has actually read the Bible or has faith In God. I am sure many of you will pick apart what I am saying to continue to obscure the truth about the Truth in hopes to cast doubt on what I am saying especially a couple people whom I seem to have rubbed the wrong way. My words to you people are easy and I stand by them. Time will be on my side as the longer it goes on the more you will find that what I said in the beginning will be as prophecy. I knew of many things and decided to help and give encouragement to the victims, that is my only goal. You cannot cast doubt on the silent thoughts my words will provoke for they are given with love and respect. I want to help, I do not know a single person on here. So please keep that in mind. I am doing my due diligence to inform people with info that is specific enough to show the breadth of the conspiracy and investigation to encourage others to come forward. For those that have not came forward use the hotline and be anonymous if needed but report them the same. Your report may help someone else not be victimized. God be with you and give you strength in your time of need. There is a large light that is shining on those that have done these horrific crimes and those that have knowingly harbored them. I bid the haters adieu....
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