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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 12, 2023 0:49:56 GMT -5
I hear there are now over 200 cases of abuse been reported. Bruer is the best thing to have happened to his cult. Your glee is noted, God is watching... God is also watching 2x2 serve up a huge lie while their leaders get sprung for kiddie fiddling. I know who's shoes I'd rather be in. |
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Post by chuck on Apr 12, 2023 2:31:40 GMT -5
You keep trying to tell me this has nothing to do with Dean, the issue for you is it does. The philosophy that guides your utterances is the same as Deans..... Thank you Chuck!  Praise from CaesarChuck is praise indeed. I don't believe I bring peace by moving trouble making workers interstate or overseas.....how about you? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 12, 2023 3:00:18 GMT -5
Thank you Chuck! Praise from CaesarChuck is praise indeed. I don't believe I bring peace by moving trouble making workers interstate or overseas.....how about you? I have to wonder about workers being sent overseas to countries like Sri Lanka or Australia. What dirty deeds did the travel hide? |
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 12, 2023 3:08:45 GMT -5
With regards to someone saying that they felt this had all blown over, see the following cut & paste.
Hi Everyone,
We’ve been incredibly busy the last two weeks working behind the scenes.
First, we want to thank every one of you for your bravery, kindness, empathy, and support of one another. Each victim survivor that has come forward has shown the power of stepping into justice together.
With the permission of victim survivors and law enforcement, we hope to be able to release information to you about new police reports within the next seven days. We will continue to push to hold each perpetrator accountable with the support of advocates and law enforcement.
Many of you have asked how you can help: at this time, we ask that you continue to share our website (voicesforthetruth.org) and encourage your loved ones to use the hotline and other resources there.
With Love,
Lauren Rohs, Sheri Autrey, and Cynthia Liles
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 12, 2023 3:13:27 GMT -5
I don't believe I bring peace by moving trouble making workers interstate or overseas.....how about you? I have to wonder about workers being sent overseas to countries like Sri Lanka or Australia. What dirty deeds did the travel hide? I also think back to a certain overseers two brothers being incredibly wealthy. With the benifit of age I see these two guys were in average paying industries, and the wealth is unexplained. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 12, 2023 3:18:23 GMT -5
I have to wonder about workers being sent overseas to countries like Sri Lanka or Australia. What dirty deeds did the travel hide? I also think back to a certain overseers two brothers being incredibly wealthy. With the benifit of age I see these two guys were in average paying industries, and the wealth is unexplained. Did I ever tell you about the time I was going through mug shots looking for clues to another crime when I spotted one of the very pious friends who had kindly posed for a pic in the station. He was caught being a peeping tom. He is now an elder. Has been for years. Does he mention in his testimony the time he got caught peeping in girls bedrooms? |
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 12, 2023 3:26:24 GMT -5
I also think back to a certain overseers two brothers being incredibly wealthy. With the benifit of age I see these two guys were in average paying industries, and the wealth is unexplained. Did I ever tell you about the time I was going through mug shots looking for clues to another crime when I spotted one of the very pious friends who had kindly posed for a pic in the station. He was caught being a peeping tom. He is now an elder. Has been for years. Does he mention in his testimony the time he got caught peeping in girls bedrooms? No, do tell. There's a respected elder in the town I grew up in that should have been jailed for csa to his own grand daughter. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 12, 2023 3:33:16 GMT -5
If a person doesn't report an incident to the Workers, they can't very well take steps to investigate or stop the offender. A problem can't be resolved if a victim remains silent. Its good that they are encouraging people to come forward and speak up. If Bruer's victims didn't keep everything secret, his motel activity could have been prevented. Anyone abused should speak up to responsible Workers and the appropriate authorities.
The objective is to prevent the workers from investigating. They have a notorious reputation for botching investigations. They have no competence and no authority to do a proper investigation, and furthermore, they have a conflict of interest in such cases. And they have no authority to enforce ANY measure to stop the offender. Bruer's activities were NOT stopped by worker intervention, they were stopped when the police and media got involved -- and when he died, that no thanks to his co-workers doing anything about what he was up to. Going to the workers with such matters is the result of worker gaslighting their superiority in measures that we none of their business.
Any organization that might have a sexual offender in their ranks ought to be notified. The only reason not to inform them is if you fear a cover-up instead of a resolution. And I understand the reluctance of a victim to put a spot light on any sexual abuse if past responses were to simply move the accused offender to another state.
Bruer was not stopped because no one seemed to know until after the fact. And remember, if not for Doyle Smith turning over the laptop and sounding the alarm, the authorities would have nothing to investigate. Two women came forward, Doyle listened, took what they said to heart, and took the appropriate action... What more would you have him do? Everyone was ultimately notified of the DB situation. I think it was/is being handled professionally.
They should go to both... The authorities can take months to investigate, meanwhile the offender can continue the abuse. After being notified, the Workers can stop it immediately by sidelining the accused.
You are quite naive about reporting to the police. Reporting to the workers mean the workers have to let the offender stay on the street. All the workers can do it control gossip, in a manner. They can do nothing to preserve evidence needed for any control of the situation -- in fact, they don't even know what proper evidence constitutes in such cases. If it is reported to the police, a judge can order anything from an outright arrest to a monitored home confinement. As for the victims -- the workers are worthless interlopers into such criminal matters. No more help that either Nathan or Wally at either investigating or providing victim assistance.
Yes. I am naive, this is all new to me. But they did sideline Mark Huddle for the accusation of having a 12 year old in his lap. So they can inactivate a Worker while a matter is investigated or at least suspend them from staying in homes with children.
The Workers aren't gossiping about this particular offense, everything has been revealed. They did preserve evidence, besides accidentally wiping Bruer's cell phone clean.
I'm not implying that it should be left to the Workers to self-investigate when laws may have been broken, but just that they should be notified so immediate action can be taken to minimize damages.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 12, 2023 3:33:23 GMT -5
Did I ever tell you about the time I was going through mug shots looking for clues to another crime when I spotted one of the very pious friends who had kindly posed for a pic in the station. He was caught being a peeping tom. He is now an elder. Has been for years. Does he mention in his testimony the time he got caught peeping in girls bedrooms? No, do tell. There's a respected elder in the town I grew up in that should have been jailed for csa to his own grand daughter. Was that Frank the vank? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 12, 2023 3:36:32 GMT -5
The objective is to prevent the workers from investigating. They have a notorious reputation for botching investigations. They have no competence and no authority to do a proper investigation, and furthermore, they have a conflict of interest in such cases. And they have no authority to enforce ANY measure to stop the offender. Bruer's activities were NOT stopped by worker intervention, they were stopped when the police and media got involved -- and when he died, that no thanks to his co-workers doing anything about what he was up to. Going to the workers with such matters is the result of worker gaslighting their superiority in measures that we none of their business.
Any organization that might have a sexual offender in their ranks ought to be notified. The only reason not to inform them is if you fear a cover-up instead of a resolution. And I understand the reluctance of a victim to put a spot light on any sexual abuse if past responses were to simply move the accused offender to another state.
Bruer was not stopped because no one seemed to know until after the fact. And remember, if not for Doyle Smith turning over the laptop and sounding the alarm, the authorities would have nothing to investigate. Two women came forward, Doyle listened, took what they said to heart, and took the appropriate action... What more would you have him do? Everyone was ultimately notified of the DB situation. I think it was/is being handled professionally.
You are quite naive about reporting to the police. Reporting to the workers mean the workers have to let the offender stay on the street. All the workers can do it control gossip, in a manner. They can do nothing to preserve evidence needed for any control of the situation -- in fact, they don't even know what proper evidence constitutes in such cases. If it is reported to the police, a judge can order anything from an outright arrest to a monitored home confinement. As for the victims -- the workers are worthless interlopers into such criminal matters. No more help that either Nathan or Wally at either investigating or providing victim assistance.
Yes. I am naive, this is all new to me. But they did sideline Mark Huddle for the accusation of having a 12 year old in his lap. So they can inactivate a Worker while a matter is investigated or at least suspend them from staying in homes with children.
The Workers aren't gossiping about this particular offense, everything has been revealed. They did preserve evidence, besides accidentally wiping Bruer's cell phone clean.
I'm not implying that it should be left to the Workers to self-investigate when laws may have been broken, but just that they should be notified so immediate action can be taken to minimize damages.
The workers have shown that they cannot be trusted. Handcuffs are the only way to minimize damage. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 12, 2023 3:36:48 GMT -5
No, do tell. There's a respected elder in the town I grew up in that should have been jailed for csa to his own grand daughter. Was that Frank the vank? Answered off forum |
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Post by Dan on Apr 12, 2023 3:55:02 GMT -5
The workers have shown that they cannot be trusted. Handcuffs are the only way to minimize damage.
Most workers are honorable people who can be trusted. You can't lump them all into a sleazy category because of a few bad apples. That's a mob mentality, lynch them all and let God sort them out.
Consider that if one of these offenses turns out to be a fake accusation too? Whoops! You just destroyed someones reputation over a completely false allegation.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 12, 2023 4:06:00 GMT -5
Thank you Chuck! Praise from CaesarChuck is praise indeed. I don't believe I bring peace by moving trouble making workers interstate or overseas.....how about you? Chuck you know everything about everything and also seem one of the most happy, pleasant at peace guys I've met in a long time. It comes through in every post you make. I'm also pleased that you get helpful cathartic release with posting. With appreciation!😀👍 p.s. Now post so you can have the last word and I'll leave you to your nonsense.🤷♂️😜🤣 |
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 12, 2023 4:06:33 GMT -5
And it gives them a massive head start in the areas of damage control, and silencing the victim. The only way they should find out is when they are approached by law enforcement. Thats not the law in some states. LE first then the head of the organization is required sometimes. How does that work when they are not "an organisation" @wally ? |
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 12, 2023 4:07:28 GMT -5
Thank you Chuck! Praise from CaesarChuck is praise indeed. I don't believe I bring peace by moving trouble making workers interstate or overseas.....how about you? Chuck you know everything about everything and also seem one of the most happy, pleasant at peace guys I've met in a long time. It comes through in every post you make. I'm also pleased that you get helpful cathartic release with posting. With appreciation!😀👍 p.s. Now post so you can have the last word and I'll leave you to your nonsense.🤷♂️😜🤣 |
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 12, 2023 4:11:39 GMT -5
The objective is to prevent the workers from investigating. They have a notorious reputation for botching investigations. They have no competence and no authority to do a proper investigation, and furthermore, they have a conflict of interest in such cases. And they have no authority to enforce ANY measure to stop the offender. Bruer's activities were NOT stopped by worker intervention, they were stopped when the police and media got involved -- and when he died, that no thanks to his co-workers doing anything about what he was up to. Going to the workers with such matters is the result of worker gaslighting their superiority in measures that we none of their business. Any organization that might have a sexual offender in their ranks ought to be notified. The only reason not to inform them is if you fear a cover-up instead of a resolution. And I understand the reluctance of a victim to put a spot light on any sexual abuse if past responses were to simply move the accused offender to another state.
Bruer was not stopped because no one seemed to know until after the fact. And remember, if not for Doyle Smith turning over the laptop and sounding the alarm, the authorities would have nothing to investigate. Two women came forward, Doyle listened, took what they said to heart, and took the appropriate action... What more would you have him do? Everyone was ultimately notified of the DB situation. I think it was/is being handled professionally.
You are quite naive about reporting to the police. Reporting to the workers mean the workers have to let the offender stay on the street. All the workers can do it control gossip, in a manner. They can do nothing to preserve evidence needed for any control of the situation -- in fact, they don't even know what proper evidence constitutes in such cases. If it is reported to the police, a judge can order anything from an outright arrest to a monitored home confinement. As for the victims -- the workers are worthless interlopers into such criminal matters. No more help that either Nathan or Wally at either investigating or providing victim assistance. Yes. I am naive, this is all new to me. But they did sideline Mark Huddle for the accusation of having a 12 year old in his lap. So they can inactivate a Worker while a matter is investigated or at least suspend them from staying in homes with children.
The Workers aren't gossiping about this particular offense, everything has been revealed. They did preserve evidence, besides accidentally wiping Bruer's cell phone clean.
I'm not implying that it should be left to the Workers to self-investigate when laws may have been broken, but just that they should be notified so immediate action can be taken to minimize damages.
Again, but according to them they are "not an organisation " so how does that work ? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 12, 2023 4:13:29 GMT -5
I don't believe I bring peace by moving trouble making workers interstate or overseas.....how about you? Chuck you know everything about everything and also seem one of the most happy, pleasant at peace guys I've met in a long time. It comes through in every post you make. I'm also pleased that you get helpful cathartic release with posting. With appreciation!😀👍 p.s. Now post so you can have the last word and I'll leave you to your nonsense.🤷♂️😜🤣 Workers in NZ have an enviable track record of moving workers who have been caught with their pants down. They have even rewarded a raging homosexual with a meeting in his own home after he left the work. I never heard his gossipy sister gossiping about that lot. It appears that there's many a male worker who thinks they are man s.l.u.t.s |
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 12, 2023 4:13:56 GMT -5
The workers have shown that they cannot be trusted. Handcuffs are the only way to minimize damage. Most workers are honorable people who can be trusted. You can't lump them all into a sleazy category because of a few bad apples. That's a mob mentality, lynch them all and let God sort them out.
Consider that if one of these offenses turns out to be a fake accusation too? Whoops! You just destroyed someones reputation over a completely false allegation.
how many do you believe are "a few"? Is 200 a few ? |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 12, 2023 4:15:38 GMT -5
Most workers are honorable people who can be trusted. You can't lump them all into a sleazy category because of a few bad apples. That's a mob mentality, lynch them all and let God sort them out.
Consider that if one of these offenses turns out to be a fake accusation too? Whoops! You just destroyed someones reputation over a completely false allegation.
how many do you believe are "a few"? Is 200 a few ? Well said Ros. The enablers and brown nosers are doing their best to minimise the damage. |
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Post by mountain on Apr 12, 2023 4:29:13 GMT -5
The workers have shown that they cannot be trusted. Handcuffs are the only way to minimize damage. Most workers are honorable people who can be trusted. You can't lump them all into a sleazy category because of a few bad apples. That's a mob mentality, lynch them all and let God sort them out.
Consider that if one of these offenses turns out to be a fake accusation too? Whoops! You just destroyed someones reputation over a completely false allegation.
Dan, I'm sorry but that is not how the world works. One or two bad apples puts the whole work under suspicion. If it didn't, then why the need for secrecy and cover ups? One or two always brings with it the thinking .... 'I wonder how many more there are?' There's a responsibility to answer that question! |
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Post by mountain on Apr 12, 2023 4:30:42 GMT -5
Dan how many do you believe are "a few"? Is 200 a few ? Well said Ros. The enablers and brown nosers are doing their best to minimise the damage. The best way to minimise the damage is to get to the truth of the matter and start again with lessons learned. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 12, 2023 4:32:08 GMT -5
I hear there are now over 200 cases of abuse been reported. Bruer is the best thing to have happened to his cult. Your glee is noted, God is watching... Your indifference to the suffering of victims is noted. God is watching. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 12, 2023 5:03:14 GMT -5
They aren't an organized religion, but they do have a hierarchy to report abusive incidences.
I am ignorant of the numbers, but I highly doubt there are 200 sexually deviant Workers, but allowing a few to commit repeated offenses might account for 200 assaults?
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Post by Dan on Apr 12, 2023 5:21:37 GMT -5
Most workers are honorable people who can be trusted. You can't lump them all into a sleazy category because of a few bad apples. That's a mob mentality, lynch them all and let God sort them out.
Consider that if one of these offenses turns out to be a fake accusation too? Whoops! You just destroyed someones reputation over a completely false allegation.
Dan, I'm sorry but that is not how the world works. One or two bad apples puts the whole work under suspicion. If it didn't, then why the need for secrecy and cover ups? One or two always brings with it the thinking .... 'I wonder how many more there are?' There's a responsibility to answer that question!
In this particular case, I think secrecy and any thought of a cover-up was thrown out the window. To make every decent Worker a suspect is unfair, its like condemning all the apostles because of one Judas. I agree that more oversight needs to be put in place and that illicit conduct should never be concealed, but bringing shame upon the innocent because of the actions of a few isn't justice. i.e; If you worked with someone who turned out to be a thief, would you appreciate being lumped under the same suspicious cloud as the thief?
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Post by mountain on Apr 12, 2023 5:23:41 GMT -5
They aren't an organized religion, but they do have a hierarchy to report abusive incidences.
I am ignorant of the numbers, but I highly doubt there are 200 sexually deviant Workers, but allowing a few to commit repeated offenses might account for 200 assaults?
In criminal matters the correct authorities to report to are the police, not workers. The impression must not be given that the workers are to be the first point of reporting, especially on account of their adverse approach to organisation and responsibility. At least in the UK there are evidential factors regarding who a female first reports or makes a statement to, after she has been sexually assaulted. Until the workers fully join the 21st century in these and other matters, they should have as little involvement as possible in the early stages of an investigation. They will on hinder. |
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 12, 2023 5:27:33 GMT -5
They aren't an organized religion, but they do have a hierarchy to report abusive incidences.
I am ignorant of the numbers, but I highly doubt there are 200 sexually deviant Workers, but allowing a few to commit repeated offenses might account for 200 assaults?
If they have a hierarchy then they can be sued and the victim survivors compensated, so they will never admit they are an organisation. I would say the 200 is the tip of the iceberg within the whole group. |
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Post by mountain on Apr 12, 2023 5:33:57 GMT -5
Dan, I'm sorry but that is not how the world works. One or two bad apples puts the whole work under suspicion. If it didn't, then why the need for secrecy and cover ups? One or two always brings with it the thinking .... 'I wonder how many more there are?' There's a responsibility to answer that question! In this particular case, I think secrecy and any thought of a cover-up was thrown out the window. To make every decent Worker a suspect is unfair, its like condemning all the apostles because of one Judas. Again we have difficulty in getting others to understand 'suspicion.' It is the whole work that is under suspicion. It is a general thing, not individualistic. Just look at the situation now? The whole work across the world is under suspicion. And yes, if the Work doesn't do the correct thing everywhere, it indeed deserves to be condemned.I agree that more oversight needs to be put in place and that illicit conduct should never be concealed, but bringing shame upon the innocent because of the actions of a few isn't justice. i.e; If you worked with someone who turned out to be a thief, would you appreciate being lumped under the same suspicious cloud as the thief?
I'm afraid the things you allude to happen everywhere in the real world during the early stages of an investigation, until specific lines of enquiry narrow things down. In my country there is such a common law crime of 'Public Mischief' which is basically making a false claim of a crime having occurred. The essence of this crime is 'making the lieges liable to suspicion.' Make no mistake, the work everywhere is under suspicion, until investigations show otherwise. How many professing people would like to have their children sitting on the laps of ANY unrelated workers at the moment?
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Post by mountain on Apr 12, 2023 5:36:33 GMT -5
They aren't an organized religion, but they do have a hierarchy to report abusive incidences.
I am ignorant of the numbers, but I highly doubt there are 200 sexually deviant Workers, but allowing a few to commit repeated offenses might account for 200 assaults?
If they have a hierarchy then they can be sued and the victim survivors compensated, so they will never admit they are an organisation. I would say the 200 is the tip of the iceberg within the whole group. Hi Roselyn, can you confirm the figure 200 refers to instances of abuse, or to the number of different perpetrators? As Dan alludes to, two or three persons could commit 200 instances of abuse over many years. Thanks as always. |
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