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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2023 16:13:44 GMT -5
No Dan , anyone abused should go to the authorities not the Workers ! They should go to both... The authorities can take months to investigate, meanwhile the offender can continue the abuse. After being notified, the Workers can stop it immediately by sidelining the accused.
You are quite naive about reporting to the police. Reporting to the workers mean the workers have to let the offender stay on the street. All the workers can do it control gossip, in a manner. They can do nothing to preserve evidence needed for any control of the situation -- in fact, they don't even know what proper evidence constitutes in such cases. If it is reported to the police, a judge can order anything from an outright arrest to a monitored home confinement. As for the victims -- the workers are worthless interlopers into such criminal matters. No more help that either Nathan or Wally at either investigating or providing victim assistance.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2023 16:21:22 GMT -5
The objective is to prevent the workers from investigating. They have a notorious reputation for botching investigations. They have no competence and no authority to do a proper investigation, and furthermore, they have a conflict of interest in such cases. And they have no authority to enforce ANY measure to stop the offender. Bruer's activities were NOT stopped by worker intervention, they were stopped when the police and media got involved -- and when he died, that no thanks to his co-workers doing anything about what he was up to. Going to the workers with such matters is the result of worker gaslighting their superiority in measures that we none of their business. And it gives them a massive head start in the areas of damage control, and silencing the victim. The only way they should find out is when they are approached by law enforcement. Absolutely. Not bragging, but that works perfectly FOR ME!!! 20 years of known offences among the friends, and THAT was precisely what put him out of business. No malice on my part -- simple comfort for countless children and parents.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 11, 2023 17:12:10 GMT -5
They should go to both... The authorities can take months to investigate, meanwhile the offender can continue the abuse. After being notified, the Workers can stop it immediately by sidelining the accused.
You are quite naive about reporting to the police. Reporting to the workers mean the workers have to let the offender stay on the street. All the workers can do it control gossip, in a manner. They can do nothing to preserve evidence needed for any control of the situation -- in fact, they don't even know what proper evidence constitutes in such cases. If it is reported to the police, a judge can order anything from an outright arrest to a monitored home confinement. As for the victims -- the workers are worthless interlopers into such criminal matters. No more help that either Nathan or Wally at either investigating or providing victim assistance. I hear there are now over 200 cases of abuse been reported. Bruer is the best thing to have happened to his cult.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 17:23:17 GMT -5
They workers are trying to hide and bury this , because they may loss their livelihood . Living off the sheep 🐑
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Post by verna on Apr 11, 2023 17:26:18 GMT -5
You are quite naive about reporting to the police. Reporting to the workers mean the workers have to let the offender stay on the street. All the workers can do it control gossip, in a manner. They can do nothing to preserve evidence needed for any control of the situation -- in fact, they don't even know what proper evidence constitutes in such cases. If it is reported to the police, a judge can order anything from an outright arrest to a monitored home confinement. As for the victims -- the workers are worthless interlopers into such criminal matters. No more help that either Nathan or Wally at either investigating or providing victim assistance. I hear there are now over 200 cases of abuse been reported. Bruer is the best thing to have happened to his cult. In fact, I think it is over 200 abusers, but I could be wrong.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 11, 2023 17:34:36 GMT -5
I hear there are now over 200 cases of abuse been reported. Bruer is the best thing to have happened to his cult. In fact, I think it is over 200 abusers, but I could be wrong. Yes, you are right. I worded my post wrongly.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2023 17:42:35 GMT -5
You are quite naive about reporting to the police. Reporting to the workers mean the workers have to let the offender stay on the street. All the workers can do it control gossip, in a manner. They can do nothing to preserve evidence needed for any control of the situation -- in fact, they don't even know what proper evidence constitutes in such cases. If it is reported to the police, a judge can order anything from an outright arrest to a monitored home confinement. As for the victims -- the workers are worthless interlopers into such criminal matters. No more help that either Nathan or Wally at either investigating or providing victim assistance. I hear there are now over 200 cases of abuse been reported. Bruer is the best thing to have happened to his cult. Not at all surprising. It took a while to make people conscious of the fact that going to the law was the only way to stop this nonsense. People will NOT believe the truth about this matter until it is slapped in their faces so they have to deal with it. Truths that cannot be denied.
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Post by chuck on Apr 11, 2023 17:44:54 GMT -5
wriggle wriggle....you felt it important enough to mention "in brackets" but now it's off topic. Just like your use of Judas, you have swept away their culture, applied your own to the English words, and then used it to justify something you are doing today and how anyone not like you wouldn't understand. Charlatan. Like wally your ideology is the same as Deans so it's quite relevant. Chuck, my appreciation for your wise true words. They enhance your stature and the respect in which you are regarded here. 👍 So what did jesus say all night?.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2023 17:46:20 GMT -5
In fact, I think it is over 200 abusers, but I could be wrong. Yes, you are right. I worded my post wrongly. And guess where THIS light came from!!!
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 18:02:28 GMT -5
The lambs fear the wolves but are eaten by the shepherd !
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Post by verna on Apr 11, 2023 18:10:06 GMT -5
Yes, you are right. I worded my post wrongly. And guess where THIS light came from!!! I think it was Satan wasn’t it? 😂
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 11, 2023 19:07:37 GMT -5
I hear there are now over 200 cases of abuse been reported. Bruer is the best thing to have happened to his cult. Not at all surprising. It took a while to make people conscious of the fact that going to the law was the only way to stop this nonsense. People will NOT believe the truth about this matter until it is slapped in their faces so they have to deal with it. Truths that cannot be denied. 200 cases. OMG. And, realistically, you KNOW it is likely just the tip of the iceberg. I am someone who previously thought that going to the workers (of course in tandem with law enforcement) was the quickest and most effective way of stopping CSA by the workers and the membership. I am now more than willing to concede that I was naive and just plain out-and-out wrong. Going to the workers (Never would I recommend this without witnesses!) is predicated on the good faith that a majority of them are honorable and upright and want to do the right thing. I am starting to have my doubts. I was looking at the wingsfortruth.info site today and came across the 2006 guidelines from Dale Schultz which contained the following point: The part that sets alarm bells ringing for me is: <<We also need to recognize that parents may have apprehensions regarding their children being with workers – particularly, in a one on one situation. We should be sensitive to “appearances” and sensitive to the particular apprehensions that some parents may have.>> It's like, we have to humor the parents who do not want their children alone with workers in one on one situations. WTF? Now, granted, this was in 2006. But, even then, that is at least 30 years since workers conclusively proved (at least to me) that they were untrustworthy around small children. As human beings, we are pattern recognition machines, and I attribute much of my success in life to precisely that. Most people on this forum know that I am a huge advocate for teaching children that they have a right to boundaries and bodily autonomy. To me, this is one of the most essential tools in our toolkit to stop child predators (not discounting all the other tools). Now, these words from Dale are either from a naive man or from an enabler. I would hope it is naivete. (I know of a number of situations through the years that were never handled properly and that have never become too public. I know that of course Dale knows of even more situations than I do.) I hope all of this is about to be handled properly, that parents are educated, kids are trained and protected, and the predators shut down. But there is a part of me that is cynical enough to wonder if the actions we have seen recently are simply because the workers have finally recognized CSA within the fellowship is an existential threat. I would say to them, I recognized this 50 years earlier, when I was still quite young and a true believer. Why didn't you?
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 11, 2023 19:29:58 GMT -5
They workers are trying to hide and bury this , because they may loss their livelihood . Living off the sheep 🐑 Yeah, real jobs suck, I had one once.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 11, 2023 19:31:38 GMT -5
Yes, you are right. I worded my post wrongly. And guess where THIS light came from!!! The workers? They're the only true source.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 19:32:54 GMT -5
I wonder how many parents are questioning their children or adult children about this . Yes this is the tip of the iceberg
Sadly the victims may be more than 200 . They will be called unhinged , crazy , effing crazy , delusional , stupid and LIARS . I don’t think I could even be able to look at a worker without thinking , in my head I have already smacked you in the head a dozen times . Masters of illusions !
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Post by verna on Apr 11, 2023 19:35:05 GMT -5
I wonder how many parents are questioning their children or adult children about this . Yes this is the tip of the iceberg . Sadly the victims may be more than 200 . They will be called unhinged , crazy , effing crazy , delusional , stupid and LIARS . I don’t think I could even be able to look at a worker without thinking , in my head I have already smacked you in the head . Masters of illusions ! We have been discounted for years and years and years. It’s hard not to be pretty angry. Bitter you say? Yes of course.
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Post by deepdeep on Apr 11, 2023 19:48:34 GMT -5
It would be like calling the Scout leader’s about abuse . Dig , dig and bury at all costs . Protect the offender’s no matter what . CALL THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN YOUR AREA ! Some people on here are losing family because of this !!!!!! Why should they pay that price ? Police should absolutely be notified....I hesitate to even add anything to this because it is so easily misconstrued. The truth of why people don't come forward or do so to somebody who is not in law enforcement is that law enforcement itself is not without it's own issues around abuse of both offenders and the people they are supposed to protect. This sentiment is very strong in minority communities. I personally have not been the victim of abuse by clergy or police or any other authority figure but that is a privilege that not everybody has. Maybe the message should be to tell as many people as possible? Even that is not a fail safe solution. See the documentary The Trials of Gabriel Fernandez (big time trigger warning) of the young boy who ended up getting killed by her mother and boyfriend over months of terrible abuse that was know and reported by teachers and social workers. The system can definitely fail. I think the message should be "go to the police" but if you can't or are afraid...go to somebody and keep going. Unfortunately children who are abused are almost never equipped for that.
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Post by deepdeep on Apr 11, 2023 19:55:44 GMT -5
The objective is to prevent the workers from investigating.
They have a notorious reputation for botching investigations. They have no competence and no authority to do a proper investigation, and furthermore, they have a conflict of interest in such cases. And they have no authority to enforce ANY measure to stop the offender. Bruer's activities were NOT stopped by worker intervention, they were stopped when the police and media got involved -- and when he died, that no thanks to his co-workers doing anything about what he was up to. Going to the workers with such matters is the result of worker gaslighting their superiority in measures that we none of their business. Workers would indeed be terrible investigators....but if no one comes forward...even law enforcement has a very hard time with the burden of proof when it comes to actually handing out legal consequences of CSA. And...I don't think it was the police or media that did anything to stop the activities of Dean Bruer.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 11, 2023 21:27:09 GMT -5
Chuck, my appreciation for your wise true words. They enhance your stature and the respect in which you are regarded here. 👍 So what did jesus say all night?. So what is unclear?
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Post by chuck on Apr 11, 2023 21:35:36 GMT -5
Hold your horses Verna! Where in my post am I referring to/addressing 'the many on this board'? My post is to Chuck in a response to what he said This has got nothing to do with Dean Bruer, /is off subject. I am guilty of responding to the comment that Chuck initially made that is inane to Christians. "What do you suppose Jesus actually said all night?, most people would be repeating themselves after 10mins......"
If you wish to discuss the matter further with me you are welcome to pm me! or start a new thread about it! There's food for a sermon there. Something along the lines of a starving vegetarian would never turn down a steak. The problem I see in this analogy put forward is Dean was a steak eater....the steak eaters all thought Dean was wonderful until the vegetarian method of evaluating people showed them otherwise..... Their is something fundementally wrong with the steak eaters method of evaluating people.......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2023 22:31:38 GMT -5
The objective is to prevent the workers from investigating. They have a notorious reputation for botching investigations. They have no competence and no authority to do a proper investigation, and furthermore, they have a conflict of interest in such cases. And they have no authority to enforce ANY measure to stop the offender. Bruer's activities were NOT stopped by worker intervention, they were stopped when the police and media got involved -- and when he died, that no thanks to his co-workers doing anything about what he was up to. Going to the workers with such matters is the result of worker gaslighting their superiority in measures that we none of their business. And it gives them a massive head start in the areas of damage control, and silencing the victim. The only way they should find out is when they are approached by law enforcement. Thats not the law in some states. LE first then the head of the organization is required sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2023 22:35:05 GMT -5
You are quite naive about reporting to the police. Reporting to the workers mean the workers have to let the offender stay on the street. All the workers can do it control gossip, in a manner. They can do nothing to preserve evidence needed for any control of the situation -- in fact, they don't even know what proper evidence constitutes in such cases. If it is reported to the police, a judge can order anything from an outright arrest to a monitored home confinement. As for the victims -- the workers are worthless interlopers into such criminal matters. No more help that either Nathan or Wally at either investigating or providing victim assistance. I hear there are now over 200 cases of abuse been reported. Bruer is the best thing to have happened to his cult. Your glee is noted, God is watching...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2023 22:37:18 GMT -5
Why would you call the worker’s . They are part , a very large part of these evil acts . Again it is not just brother worker’s . We have a female offender in Alberta !!! Plus elder’s and sheep whom violate because of their status ! Absolutely ridiculous . This board / thread has diminished as it appears many have jumped off . It is truly disgusting & very disturbing . You allow them into your home ! You invite them to your home . Legal requirement in some states.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 11, 2023 23:41:24 GMT -5
I hear there are now over 200 cases of abuse been reported. Bruer is the best thing to have happened to his cult. Your glee is noted, God is watching... Watching aye. He must be a pervert.
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Post by chuck on Apr 11, 2023 23:45:38 GMT -5
So what did jesus say all night?. So what is unclear? You keep trying to tell me this has nothing to do with Dean, the issue for you is it does. The philosophy that guides your utterances is the same as Deans.....
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 12, 2023 0:36:06 GMT -5
So what is unclear? You keep trying to tell me this has nothing to do with Dean, the issue for you is it does. The philosophy that guides your utterances is the same as Deans..... Thank you Chuck! Praise from CaesarChuck is praise indeed.
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