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Post by chuck on Apr 10, 2023 17:41:54 GMT -5
You were/are not very clear at all, thats why I asked what you thought he said all night?, if you could give me an example that may make it clearer. How clearly can someone who enjoys a good steak explain to a vegetarian how good it tastes? Same as a Christian seeking to explain to you about Jesus praying all night.....you won't and don't want to understand. š¤·āāļøš You are assuming a lot there, instead how about you just answer the question, what do you think he said all night?
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 10, 2023 18:23:26 GMT -5
How clearly can someone who enjoys a good steak explain to a vegetarian how good it tastes? Same as a Christian seeking to explain to you about Jesus praying all night.....you won't and don't want to understand. š¤·āāļøš I have a lot of trouble with this explanation. I, as well as many on this board Iām sure, did our damnedest to āgetā the Christian thing. So suggesting we donāt want to is fairly annoying. Exactly. They use that platitude to assign scorn on those who have been disfellowshiped.
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Dean Bruer
Apr 10, 2023 18:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 10, 2023 18:53:07 GMT -5
How clearly can someone who enjoys a good steak explain to a vegetarian how good it tastes? Same as a Christian seeking to explain to you about Jesus praying all night.....you won't and don't want to understand. š¤·āāļøš You are assuming a lot there, instead how about you just answer the question, what do you think he said all night? [ This has got nothing to do with Dean Bruer, /is off subject. I am guilty of responding to the comment that Chuck initially made that is inane to Christians. Happy to respond if you wish to communicate by pm or if you wish to start a new thread. š
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Post by chuck on Apr 10, 2023 20:19:53 GMT -5
You are assuming a lot there, instead how about you just answer the question, what do you think he said all night? [ This has got nothing to do with Dean Bruer, /is off subject. I am guilty of responding to the comment that Chuck initially made that is inane to Christians. Happy to respond if you wish to communicate by pm or if you wish to start a new thread. š wriggle wriggle....you felt it important enough to mention "in brackets" but now it's off topic. Just like your use of Judas, you have swept away their culture, applied your own to the English words, and then used it to justify something you are doing today and how anyone not like you wouldn't understand. Charlatan. Like wally your ideology is the same as Deans so it's quite relevant.
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Post by Dan on Apr 10, 2023 20:22:52 GMT -5
What concerns me is the emphasis on talking to the workers! Rather than reporting to authorities. The workers have let us down imo. So this to me is just more āthere thereā¦ā
If a person doesn't report an incident to the Workers, they can't very well take steps to investigate or stop the offender. A problem can't be resolved if a victim remains silent. Its good that they are encouraging people to come forward and speak up. If Bruer's victims didn't keep everything secret, his motel activity could have been prevented. Anyone abused should speak up to responsible Workers and the appropriate authorities.
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Post by verna on Apr 10, 2023 21:22:45 GMT -5
What concerns me is the emphasis on talking to the workers! Rather than reporting to authorities. The workers have let us down imo. So this to me is just more āthere thereā¦ā
If a person doesn't report an incident to the Workers, they can't very well take steps to investigate or stop the offender. A problem can't be resolved if a victim remains silent. Its good that they are encouraging people to come forward and speak up. If Bruer's victims didn't keep everything secret, his motel activity could have been prevented. Anyone abused should speak up to responsible Workers and the appropriate authorities. Ā
They should go to the authorities! Workers have a huge amount of power and are notorious for discounting and sweeping under the rug. They have a strong vested interest in keeping it quiet and of course, they are not trained to deal with it.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 10, 2023 21:58:53 GMT -5
Churches are the perfect breeding grounds for predators.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 22:18:44 GMT -5
[ This has got nothing to do with Dean Bruer, /is off subject. I am guilty of responding to the comment that Chuck initially made that is inane to Christians. Happy to respond if you wish to communicate by pm or if you wish to start a new thread. š wriggle wriggle....you felt it important enough to mention "in brackets" but now it's off topic. Just like your use of Judas, you have swept away their culture, applied your own to the English words, and then used it to justify something you are doing today and how anyone not like you wouldn't understand. Charlatan. Like wally your ideology is the same as Deans so it's quite relevant. I wouldn't worry about the chuckite internationalstudies the atheist will just have to learn the hard way...
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 11, 2023 0:24:11 GMT -5
What concerns me is the emphasis on talking to the workers! Rather than reporting to authorities. The workers have let us down imo. So this to me is just more āthere thereā¦ā If a person doesn't report an incident to the Workers, they can't very well take steps to investigate or stop the offender. A problem can't be resolved if a victim remains silent. Its good that they are encouraging people to come forward and speak up. If Bruer's victims didn't keep everything secret, his motel activity could have been prevented. Anyone abused should speak up to responsible Workers and the appropriate authorities. Ā
No Dan, anyone abused should go to the authorities not the Workers !
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Post by chuck on Apr 11, 2023 0:26:42 GMT -5
wriggle wriggle....you felt it important enough to mention "in brackets" but now it's off topic. Just like your use of Judas, you have swept away their culture, applied your own to the English words, and then used it to justify something you are doing today and how anyone not like you wouldn't understand. Charlatan. Like wally your ideology is the same as Deans so it's quite relevant. I wouldn't worry about the chuckite internationalstudies the atheist will just have to learn the hard way... Dean wasn't a vegan......look how that turned out......same ideology!.....and I did learn the hard way........
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Post by Dan on Apr 11, 2023 1:53:09 GMT -5
If a person doesn't report an incident to the Workers, they can't very well take steps to investigate or stop the offender. A problem can't be resolved if a victim remains silent. Its good that they are encouraging people to come forward and speak up. If Bruer's victims didn't keep everything secret, his motel activity could have been prevented. Anyone abused should speak up to responsible Workers and the appropriate authorities.
No Dan , anyone abused should go to the authorities not the Workers !
They should go to both... The authorities can take months to investigate, meanwhile the offender can continue the abuse. After being notified, the Workers can stop it immediately by sidelining the accused.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 11, 2023 2:18:47 GMT -5
[ This has got nothing to do with Dean Bruer, /is off subject. I am guilty of responding to the comment that Chuck initially made that is inane to Christians. Happy to respond if you wish to communicate by pm or if you wish to start a new thread. š wriggle wriggle....you felt it important enough to mention "in brackets" but now it's off topic. Just like your use of Judas, you have swept away their culture, applied your own to the English words, and then used it to justify something you are doing today and how anyone not like you wouldn't understand. Charlatan. Like wally your ideology is the same as Deans so it's quite relevant. Chuck, my appreciation for your wise true words. They enhance your stature and the respect in which you are regarded here. š
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 11, 2023 2:19:20 GMT -5
Churches are the perfect breeding grounds for predators. Talking to an imaginary friend because you read a compelling yarn about one should be grounds to have your head examined to begin with.
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Post by mountain on Apr 11, 2023 3:15:52 GMT -5
No Dan , anyone abused should go to the authorities not the Workers ! They should go to both... The authorities can take months to investigate, meanwhile the offender can continue the abuse. After being notified, the Workers can stop it immediately by sidelining the accused.
An investigation by the police can certainly take months, but once a complaint has been made, the process thereafter will in many cases take care of the offender and any potential for further abuses whilst the investigation is ongoing. the workers should be ready and willing to cooperate with the police and other pertinent authorities whenever it is felt this is necessary. As a first line of contact between abused laity and the police, this is inappropriate on many fronts, unless it is simply to give the abused the confidence and support to report the matter officially. The danger is that the abused will look to the workers for advice on what to do next.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 9:05:50 GMT -5
Dear Friends, It is with heavy hearts we share news about a former worker Dean Bruer who has been accused of living a double life. There is substantial evidence that this is true which all has come to light since his passing. He never labored in our area but because he was a part of the (sic) this ministry it affects us all. I realize that many of you through different sources are already aware of this. We want you to know that this hurts us all. We realize that we have a holy trust and this breach of confidence grieves us all. We want to live worthy of the trust you place in us and expect of us. So we apologize to you all that this has happened. We know that you deserve to feel safe about our presence in your homes and around your children. In our area Oklahoma, Arkansas and Missouri we have our workers take instruction from MinistrySafe which teaches us to recognize unsafe tendencies and situations. It grieves our heart to have to say these things, but if we work together, we can facilitate a safe environment that will promote a spiritual fellowship that edifies faith. As members of this ministry, we want to assure you of how much we love and care for you. We are heartbroken by the disgrace of human failure, but our faith in the Lord's ministry is unchanged. This is the ministry that our Lord established in the earth. Human failure can compromise its testimony, but it cannot undermine its validity. Judas Iscariot was also a part of this ministry, but in the wake of his betrayal the Holy Spirit still impelled this same ministry forward. We want to assure you that we will do what we can to assist those who are victims of this abuse. We encourage you to first make sure that child abuse has been reported to the proper authorities. You can call the Oklahoma Abuse Hotline 1-800-522-3511 or www.okhotline.org ; Arkansas Abuse Hotline 1-800-482-5964, Missouri Abuse Hotline 1-800-392-3738. Please feel free to visit with the workers in your field or with us or person you trust if you have concerns or questions. We will be confidential in-as-much as we can. It is also our legal responsibility in the case of underage victims to report abuse to the proper authorities. We understand that this is a very difficult journey for everyone. We remind all that by bringing to light this horrible behavior, we may be saving others from being victims of the same abuse. A website devoted to provide victims of abuse a place to find the resources to help them is Voicesforthetruth.org. A brother, Craig Winquist
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 9:07:14 GMT -5
Site logo image Wings for Truth Joshua Burgoyne ā Ontario wingsfortruth2 Apr 10 www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/local-peterborough/news/crime/2021/09/27/12-month-jail-sentence-for-courtice-man-busted-in-child-exploitation-investigation-led-by-peterborough-officers.html12-month jail sentence for Courtice man busted in child exploitation investigation led by Peterborough officers Project Peacehaven focused on proactively identify, locate and arrested people allegedly looking to sexually exploit children By Todd Vandonk Reporter Peterborough Examiner, Mon., Sept. 27, 2021 A Courtice man has been jailed in connection to a child sexual exploitation investigation led by Peterborough County OPP and the Peterborough Police Service in 2019. During the investigation, named Project Peacehaven, investigators accessed online chat rooms and social media applications designed for youth in order to proactively identify, locate and arrested people allegedly looking to sexually exploit children in Peterborough, police said at the time. During the three-day investigation, police say investigators communicated with 36 suspects beyond simple introductions. The communications established ages, which police say were well outside the consensual parameters established by the Criminal Code, and included inappropriate sexual content. Police say six people were arrested when they arrived at a set location to meet a child for sexual purposes. On Wednesday, Sept. 22, Courtice native Joshua Burgoyne was sentenced to 12 months in jail by Justice Stuart Konyer. Burgoyne was originally charged with four counts of luring a person under the age of 16, but at an earlier court date he pleaded guilty to one count of communicating with a person under the age of 16 for the purpose of sexual touching. During his sentencing decision, Konyer said Burgoyne started a conversation with two undercover police officers in an online teen chatroom in 2019. The decoys identified themselves to be 13 and 14 years old while Burgoyne was 40 at the time. Further, Konyer said Burgoyne quickly turned the conversations sexual, and after two weeks he made an arrangement to meet for sexual purposes with who he thought was a teen. Burgoyne was met by officers and arrested for luring a child. Konyer said sexual offences against children are often ādevastating,ā and strong sentences need to be handed down to protect children from āonline predators,ā like Burgoyne. Before being sentenced, Burgoyne said he was sorry for what he did, and it was a one time thing. However, Konyer said he was troubled by Burgoyneās lack of insight because Burgoyne reported in the pre-sentence report that he had no sexual interest in children. Konyer said the chat history suggests otherwise, noting Burgoyne thought he was talking to young teens and was grooming them for weeks so he could meet them for sexual purposes. Konyer also noted that Burgoyne understood his actions were illegal, and mentioned in the chats that he was concerned about being caught.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 9:08:42 GMT -5
Site logo image Wings for Truth Lukis Nighswonger wingsfortruth2 Apr 10 www.adn.com/alaska-news/crime-courts/2019/02/26/wasilla-teacher-accused-of-abuse-was-fired-from-retail-job-for-sexual-touching-of-a-customer-lawsuit-says/Wasilla teacher accused of abuse was fired from retail job for 'sexualā touching of customer, lawsuit says By Zaz Hollander Updated: February 27, 2019 Published: February 27, 2019 PALMER -- Attorneys for two young people allegedly abused by a Wasilla teacher now say the Matanuska-Susitna Borough School District hired Lukis Nighswonger after he was fired from a retail job for inappropriately touching a customer. Lukis Nighswonger is arraigned on additional charges at the Palmer Courthouse in Palmer, AK on Tuesday, Oct 15, 2018. (Bob Hallinen / ADN) Nighswonger, 36, taught at Iditarod Elementary School from 2005 until his arrest on sexual abuse charges last fall. Heās now charged with 19 counts of sex abuse of a minor and sexual assault in a criminal case involving at least eight victims dating back to 2002. Nighswonger told investigators he was a pedophile who āhas been attracted to kids for as long as he can remember,ā according to charging documents. The arrest also revealed that Nighswonger was allowed to continue teaching even after students began reporting concerning behavior in 2012. Two civil lawsuits filed last week added new claims the school district failed to protect students after a teacher and administrator at Iditarod dismissed concerns brought by the mother of a fourth-grader who told her Nighswonger touched him and made him feel āweird" during the 2015-16 school year. The principal at Iditarod during that time, Scott Nelson, was placed on administrative leave from his current post at Juneauās Riverbend Elementary School in mid-February, according to a report in the Juneau Empire. Officials with the Juneau School District said they were examining the Mat-Su lawsuits. Nelson is in his first year at Riverbend. Attorneys for two former Nighswonger students, a boy and girl identified only by their initials, also say that Nighswonger was fired from a job at a clothing store in 2001 or 2002 for ātouching a customer in a sexual way,ā according to an amended complaint filed Monday in Anchorage Superior Court. District policy requires that the district conduct a pre-employment investigation of applicants and hire only people āwhose background and behavior exemplifies a standard deemed appropriate for individuals working with children.ā Attorney Mike Kramer said his Fairbanks-based law firm was contacted by two people who attended the University of Alaska Anchorage with Nighswonger when he was a teaching student. āPeople who knew him there reported to us that he worked at a clothing store in Anchorage while going to college and reported being fired from that job for sexually touching a male customer in a dressing room,ā Kramer said Tuesday, adding his firm still needs to do more research about Nighswongerās employment history. āWe believe the district failed to adequately investigate his background including that job and the reasons for him leaving that job.ā The complaint also resurrects the claim that Iditarod administrators were concerned enough about Nighswongerās behavior to move his classroom to a location visible to the principal. School superintendent Monica Goyette last year confirmed that Nighswonger was moved to a different classroom based on a potentially concerning student report six months earlier. Asked whether the Mat-Su school district was aware of Nighswongerās termination from his former job, a spokeswoman said all she could say was āat this time weāre cooperating with the investigatorsā from the Wasilla Police Department in the criminal case. District officials did not immediately respond to a number of other questions. Nighswongerās next court appearance in his criminal case is a March 21 pretrial conference, with trial scheduled to begin in April. Zaz Hollander Zaz Hollander is a veteran journalist based in the Mat-Su and is currently an ADN local news editor and reporter. She covers breaking news, the Mat-Su region, aviation and general assignments. Contact her at zhollander@adn.com. www.alaskasnewssource.com/2020/09/14/police-interviews-allowed-as-evidence-in-former-teachers-trial-for-sex-abuse-charges/Police interviews allowed as evidence in former teacherās trial for sex abuse charges A judge denied a motion to suppress the interviews Lukis Nighswonger had with officers before he was arrested .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 9:09:53 GMT -5
Site logo image Wings for Truth Jason Lennox ā Arizona
wingsfortruth2 Apr 10 Pima County man sentenced to prison for sexual abuse of child
Jason Scott Lennox, accused of raping a young child multiple times, has pleaded guilty to second-degree sexual conduct with a minor and sexual abuse of a child. (Source: Pima County Attorney's Office)
By 13 News Staff
Updated: Nov. 7, 2018 at 9:48 AM GMT+13
TUCSON, AZ (Tucson News Now) - A Pima County man who pleaded guilty in September to second-degree sexual conduct with a minor and sexual abuse of a child was sentenced to 15 years in prison on Tuesday, Nov. 6.
According to information from the Pima County Superior Court, Jason Scott Lennox was sentenced to 15 years in prison for continuous sexual abuse of a child. He was also given lifetime probation after release for sexual conduct with a minor.
Lennox will also have to register as a sex offender.
The Pima County Attorneyās Office said Lennox, 43, raped a very young child at least three times from 2007-11.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 9:10:52 GMT -5
Site logo image Wings for Truth Eric Scott ā Idaho wingsfortruth2 Apr 10 Kendrick man sent to prison for child rape January 3, 2018 Evan Ellis News The 48 year old Kendrick man accused of raping a 14 year old girl has been sent to prison. Eric Scott was sentenced Wednesday to between 5 and 20 years in prison in Latah County Second District Court. Scott previously pleaded guilty to a felony child rape count back in July. He was arrested by Idaho State Police a year ago for raping the girl on several occasions starting in 2012. The judge retained jurisdiction in the case which means Scottās sentenced will be reviewed at a later date. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dnews.com/local/kendrick-man-sentenced-for-rape/article_835aed94-9248-578a-8d0a-4f09d2839b90.html Kendrick man sentenced for rape By Katie Short, Daily News staff writer Jan 4, 2018 Eric Scott, a 48-year-old Kendrick man, was sentenced Wednesday in Latah County 2nd District Court to five to 20 years in prison for raping a girl under the age of 16. Judge Jay Gaskill also retained jurisdiction over Scott, sentencing him to a rider for 365 days, after which time Scott will be eligible for probation. Almost a year ago to the day, Scott was arrested by Idaho State Police on suspicion of repeatedly raping a girl under the age of 16 over several years. Scott, a former information technology manager for the city of Lewiston, pleaded guilty to rape in July. During Wednesday's sentencing hearing, Scott's attorney, David R. Partovi, called many of the defendant's family members to the witness stand in order to testify to the progress Scott has made emotionally and spiritually during the past year. In his opening statement, Partovi said he was not justifying Scott's actions but he stated that at the time when the rapes were occurring Scott was in an abusive marriage. The abuse ultimately drove him to seek comfort with someone who shared his same experiences, and unfortunately that bond grew too close, Partovi said. Scott's son, Stanley Austin Scott, testified that since his parents' divorce and over the past year, his father has become "a completely new and different person in every way." Glenda Kadir, Scott's older sister, testified "he is a changed individual - he is the rock holding us together." Kadir said Scott has spent an extended period of time over the past several months at her home and she has never been concerned for her own 13-year-old daughter's safety. "My brother is a great guy who made a horrible mistake," she said. When asked if she believed her brother would re-offend, Kadir said "absolutely not - zero (chance)." Assistant Prosecutor Mia Vowels argued a psycho-sexual evaluation showed Scott was considered to be a moderate risk to re-offend. Scott's victim, now 20, also took the witness stand in Scott's defense Wednesday in an effort to persuade Gaskill to impose a lighter sentence. "We've both made a mistake and we are both at fault," she said. "He was the adult in the situation (but) I pursued it - I threw myself at him, I made it easy. We shared so much abuse together." Vowels argued what happened to the girl was not a mistake and Scott had spent many years grooming her to believe she was at fault as well. In addition to a 10-year prison sentence, Vowels asked Gaskill to impose a $5,000 civil penalty so that in the future if Scott's victim decides to seek counseling she would be able to receive some cost compensation. Before the sentence was imposed, Scott stood to speak a few words in his defense. "I want to apologize for not being the man I should have been," he said. "What happened was a collision between (my victim) and I. I am ashamed of what I allowed to happen. I am committed to growth and self-help." Scott will also be required to register as a sex offender and a no-contact order between he and the victim was extended. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.inmaricopa.com/mpd-pursuing-child-sex-charges-against-idaho-man/MPD pursuing child-sex charges against Idaho man By Mason Callejas Jun 15, 2017 Eric Scott, Jan. 26, 2017, in Latah County, Idaho The Maricopa Police Department is seeking to charge an Idaho man for multiple child-sex crimes that allegedly occurred while the man briefly lived in Maricopa more than five years ago. Eric Noel Scott, 47, was arrested Jan. 26 by Idaho State Police in Latah County, Idaho, on charges of rape involving a minor after allegedly confessing to his ex-wife that he had done so over a two-year period, an MPD report said. Scottās alleged admission included the period of time from 2011-2012 when he lived in Maricopa, the report stated. Capt. Lonnie Richardson of the Idaho State Police confirmed his departmentās role in Scottās arrest, but was unable to comment further due to the ongoing investigation. While being interviewed by Idaho State Police, Scott allegedly made the statement, āItās hard to describe. The first time I touched [the minor] I was so angry with myself, like, I cannot believe I did thatā¦ I was ashamed of myself and the mere temptation, and it just gradually grew in time.ā Latah County court documents indicate Scott posted a $200,000 surety bond on Feb. 1. He is currently free on bail pending trial. MPD filed its complaint against Scott on June 5, with charges of sexual conduct with a minor and molestation of a child. InMaricopa is following this story and will provide updates as they become available. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.lmtribune.com/northwest/former-lewiston-it-manager-gets-at-least-five-years-in-prison/article_e6b98e70-8965-5b63-ad0c-ea5f3734b753.htmlFormer Lewiston IT manager gets at least five years in prison Eric N. Scott convicted of raping 14-year-old girl By JOSH BABCOCK of the Tribune Jan 4, 2018 Updated Jan 4, 2018 MOSCOW - A former city of Lewiston information technology manager convicted of raping a 14-year-old girl was sentenced to at least five years in prison Wednesday in Latah County 2nd District Court. Eric N. Scott, 48, of Kendrick, pleaded guilty in July to raping the girl repeatedly over a two-year period that began in 2012 when she was 14. He was sentenced to five to 20 years with retained jurisdiction, which allows the sentence to be altered at a later date. According to court documents, Scott's former wife told a deputy from the Latah County Sheriff's Office that she had recorded conversations with him in which he admitted to having sexual contact with the victim. Scott told his ex-wife that he felt "horrible" about the incidents and had contemplated suicide, according to court documents. Investigators who interviewed the victim reported that she said Scott had sex with her approximately five times when she was about 14 or 15 years old. Last January, Idaho State Police Detective Mike Mooney contacted Scott to arrange an interview at the state police office in Lewiston. Scott consented, but investigators learned a short time later that he had arranged to meet the girl. Mooney then intercepted Scott and arrested him for rape as he left his city of Lewiston office.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 9:11:35 GMT -5
Site logo image Wings for Truth Kendall Adams ā Idaho SOR
wingsfortruth2 Apr 10 Kendall Adams is understood to be still attending meetings in Idaho. Details of his 2013 convictions and entry on the Idaho Sex Offender Register are being shared so those in the area attending meetings with children who may have contact with Kendall are aware of the history.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 9:13:32 GMT -5
Holy cow wtf is happening ! Very disturbing and disconcerting and just pure evil ! I need to stop checking my email before meds š³š
The lambs fear the wolves but are eaten by the shepherd ! Jus sayin Holy hell . More to come I suspectā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 11, 2023 10:12:17 GMT -5
In my mind, āRendering to Caesar what is Caesarsā is not just about paying your taxes but about being law abiding. However Christians should feel that is their minimum duty.
Also, As we know, just because something is permissible does not mean it is Christ like.
When it comes to sexual deviance however, we have law enforcement which is good, but it is truly like a mental illness.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 10:31:18 GMT -5
In my mind, āRendering to Caesar what is Caesarsā is not just about paying your taxes but about being law abiding. However Christians should feel that is their minimum duty. Also, As we know, just because something is permissible does not mean it is Christ like. When it comes to sexual deviance however, we have law enforcement which is good, but it is truly like a mental illness. If the offender didnāt care about age . If committed CSA & SA I would say (imo) that no mental illness is involved . When the victim is under 12 , perhaps (not likely) a mental health issue , not a pedo . I can only hope this wakes a lot of people up . As we can see itās not just the WORKERS ! Why are they choosing to be transparent JUST NOW . This whole thing is š¤¢ . Will we ever know how many victims . So many go unreported . It is a hard road to travel Kudos to all victims that are speaking on here now !!!!! Be kind to yourself please
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 11, 2023 10:42:27 GMT -5
HOW MUCH DONāT WE KNOW ? Again if you live in Canada šØš¦ there is not statute of limitations . If it happened fifty years ago . YOU CAN REPORT IT ! Anyway big meeting shortly . Gotta get into a good space of mind . Will be totally unraveled after it however . I am not looking forward to it to say the least .
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 11, 2023 13:58:09 GMT -5
I think "Ministry Safe" is a good thing for any minister to take. But, I almost think going to Al Anon would be good too. Even though it was founded upon people who need help with the alcoholics in their lives, co-dependency runs through all walks and circles. It's about not getting enmeshed with other's problems, about how best to address other's problems; all while taking care of yourself. How to not be an enabler. How to set limits and healthy boundaries.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 11, 2023 14:17:17 GMT -5
I have a lot of trouble with this explanation. I, as well as many on this board Iām sure, did our damnedest to āgetā the Christian thing. So suggesting we donāt want to is fairly annoying. Hold your horses Verna! Where in my post am I referring to/addressing 'the many on this board'? My post is to Chuck in a response to what he saidĀ This has got nothing to do with Dean Bruer, /is off subject. I am guilty of responding to the comment that Chuck initially made that isĀ inane to Christians. "What do you suppose Jesus actually said all night?, most people would be repeating themselves after 10mins......"
If you wish to discuss the matter further with me you are welcome to pm me! or start a new thread about it! Ā There's food for a sermon there. Something along the lines of a starving vegetarian would never turn down a steak.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 11, 2023 16:02:03 GMT -5
What concerns me is the emphasis on talking to the workers! Rather than reporting to authorities. The workers have let us down imo. So this to me is just more āthere thereā¦ā If a person doesn't report an incident to the Workers, they can't very well take steps to investigate or stop the offender. A problem can't be resolved if a victim remains silent. Its good that they are encouraging people to come forward and speak up. If Bruer's victims didn't keep everything secret, his motel activity could have been prevented. Anyone abused should speak up to responsible Workers and the appropriate authorities.
The objective is to prevent the workers from investigating. They have a notorious reputation for botching investigations. They have no competence and no authority to do a proper investigation, and furthermore, they have a conflict of interest in such cases. And they have no authority to enforce ANY measure to stop the offender. Bruer's activities were NOT stopped by worker intervention, they were stopped when the police and media got involved -- and when he died, that no thanks to his co-workers doing anything about what he was up to. Going to the workers with such matters is the result of worker gaslighting their superiority in measures that we none of their business.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 11, 2023 16:08:27 GMT -5
If a person doesn't report an incident to the Workers, they can't very well take steps to investigate or stop the offender. A problem can't be resolved if a victim remains silent. Its good that they are encouraging people to come forward and speak up. If Bruer's victims didn't keep everything secret, his motel activity could have been prevented. Anyone abused should speak up to responsible Workers and the appropriate authorities.
The objective is to prevent the workers from investigating. They have a notorious reputation for botching investigations. They have no competence and no authority to do a proper investigation, and furthermore, they have a conflict of interest in such cases. And they have no authority to enforce ANY measure to stop the offender. Bruer's activities were NOT stopped by worker intervention, they were stopped when the police and media got involved -- and when he died, that no thanks to his co-workers doing anything about what he was up to. Going to the workers with such matters is the result of worker gaslighting their superiority in measures that we none of their business. And it gives them a massive head start in the areas of damage control, and silencing the victim. The only way they should find out is when they are approached by law enforcement.
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