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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 7, 2023 1:04:33 GMT -5
Yes. That's the strangeness of this Bruer debacle. Bruer preaching was through his god. So how come this god did not stop Bruer's extra curricular activities. The answer is obvious of course.
Look around, the answer is obvious ...God doesn't stop sin.
But maybe God did hear the prayers of the abused? Bruer died at just 67, maybe God saw enough of the wickedness and took him out early? That gives " pray for your enemies" a whole new meaning He died suddenly in the cesspool where he fornicated.. Imagine that if he spent the money wasted on that motel to get a physical instead, a doctor may have detected and prevented what inevitably killed him?
I'm about the same age as Bruer was, half my hormones are gone, so I don't get why these older guys get so horny. It must have been more of a perverted obsession than a quest for sexual gratification?
I get what you say about why do these older guys get so horny. My wife is seven years younger than me, and quite hot, and believe me, I don't use up all the turns i have avaliable at home. I think it's a case of wanting what's not avaliable, and possibly putting a higher value on it than those of us that have it on tap 24/7. If god had been on the case he would have knocked Dean off after his first csa. Maybe God was playing a long game and actually wanted to use him to take down 2x2.
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Post by Annan on Apr 7, 2023 7:22:30 GMT -5
Religious leaders should never preach themselves. They should acknowledge that they are mere humans and encourage people to listen to, and put their faith in, the voice of God alone. It's powerful and effective. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and full of power [making it operative, energizing, and effective]. It is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating as far as the division of the soul and spirit [the completeness of a person], and of both joints and marrow [the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and judging the very thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And not a creature exists that is concealed from His sight, but all things are open and exposed, and revealed to the eyes of Him with whom we have to give account. But Fixit - everybody thinks they’re listening to God’s voice!!!! That’s what I’m saying!!!! It is not so - NO GOD’S VOICE!!! Dear dear verna. Haven't you not been here long enough to know that "God" only speaks to Nathan... and occasionally to Waldo? I don't know we are going to survive without Nathan.
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 7, 2023 9:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by hydropillar on Apr 7, 2023 11:20:57 GMT -5
curious if bruer ever preformed a baptism would it be valid if he was a false profit. same for those that proffesed through him?
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Post by snow on Apr 7, 2023 12:24:59 GMT -5
It also talks about gracious talk. Wise talk I agree is good. Gracious on this subject not so good. Which verse I'm not seeing it? 21 The wise in heart are called discerning, and gracious words promote instruction.
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Post by Umfolozi on Apr 7, 2023 12:25:43 GMT -5
I think it would be, can't keep the baptized person responsible for the preacher's sins. I was baptized in the meetings, not a member any longer, I have found Christ, the only Way, Truth and Life, I believe my baptism was still valid.
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Post by snow on Apr 7, 2023 12:36:13 GMT -5
That's exactly what is the problem with the sexual assaults that happen in the f&w's. There are aspects of the 'system' that allow for and make it easier for a predator to be successful. That's why changes need to happen within the 'system' to help lower the chances of this continuing to happen. There is nothing that can be done imo to completely eliminate it unfortunately. Predators are very good at what they do. The church ministers have the responsibility to do everything in their power and when they fail, at least be expected to pay for therapy and legal fees to those that got abused. Corporations and other institutions that have CSA/SA happen on their watch have to pay for the victims so why shouldn't churches?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2023 13:19:29 GMT -5
Which verse I'm not seeing it? 21 The wise in heart are called discerning, and gracious words promote instruction. Pro 16:21 The wise in heart shall be called prudent: and the sweetness of the lips increaseth learning. KJV I see, this is a which translation used thing...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2023 13:22:06 GMT -5
curious if bruer ever preformed a baptism would it be valid if he was a false profit. same for those that proffesed through him? Judas would be our example for this. No one was invalidated in scripture for listening to him or for anything else after what he did.
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Post by snow on Apr 7, 2023 15:19:21 GMT -5
21 The wise in heart are called discerning, and gracious words promote instruction. Pro 16:21 The wise in heart shall be called prudent: and the sweetness of the lips increaseth learning. KJV I see, this is a which translation used thing... Different versions of the bible I guess.
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Post by verna on Apr 7, 2023 16:31:38 GMT -5
Pro 16:21 The wise in heart shall be called prudent: and the sweetness of the lips increaseth learning. KJV I see, this is a which translation used thing... Different versions of the bible I guess. I must say “the sweetness of the lips increaseth learning” makes me a little nervous.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 7, 2023 16:44:26 GMT -5
Different versions of the bible I guess. I must say “the sweetness of the lips increaseth learning” makes me a little nervous. I have found this to be true.
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Post by Admin on Apr 7, 2023 23:45:02 GMT -5
curious if bruer ever preformed a baptism would it be valid if he was a false profit. same for those that proffesed through him? Judas would be our example for this. No one was invalidated in scripture for listening to him or for anything else after what he did. I'm kinda glad I wasn't baptised by Judas
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Post by Dan on Apr 8, 2023 20:17:16 GMT -5
I don't believe God intervenes to stop sin. He answered for sin, He will judge sin, and one day He will end sin. But in the here and now, the prince of this world knows our vulnerabilities and perpetuates disobedience to steal men's souls (1 Peter 5:8). Workers are suppose to have overcome all flesh, Bruer obviously should have stepped down from the Work when he could not contain himself. Instead, he yielded to temptation and became a wolf in sheep's clothing. As Paul said, "It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion." (1 Corinthians 7:9).
Many think DB got away with something and its understandable that his victims want revenge. But no one escapes the wrath of God, judgement will come. (Matthew 18:9 & Romans 12: 19-21) "Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10: 30-31).
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 8, 2023 21:19:43 GMT -5
Judas would be our example for this. No one was invalidated in scripture for listening to him or for anything else after what he did. I'm kinda glad I wasn't baptised by Judas Who would! But God allows such! Hey how about this... Is it right/sensible/correct to 'throw out the baby with the bathwater'? What happened in the the NT? Was the Apostolic ministry (that Jesus prayed all night before naming) discarded/doomed because of one 'bad egg'/Judas? No it was cleansed of the bad egg/Judas and continued right on.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 8, 2023 21:47:22 GMT -5
Grooming , very hard to watch but very insightful Jared from Subway: Catching a Monster - Part 1 Part (3/6/23) S1 Ep1 Part 1 - Jared Fogle weighs a life-threateninq 425lbs, then invents a unique diet . A pedo !
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Post by snow on Apr 9, 2023 11:23:02 GMT -5
I don't believe God intervenes to stop sin. He answered for sin, He will judge sin, and one day He will end sin. But in the here and now, the prince of this world knows our vulnerabilities and perpetuates disobedience to steal men's souls (1 Peter 5:8). Workers are suppose to have overcome all flesh, Bruer obviously should have stepped down from the Work when he could not contain himself. Instead, he yielded to temptation and became a wolf in sheep's clothing. As Paul said, "It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion." (1 Corinthians 7:9).
Many think DB got away with something and its understandable that his victims want revenge. But no one escapes the wrath of God, judgement will come. (Matthew 18:9 & Romans 12: 19-21) "Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10: 30-31).
You do escape consequences if there is no God. I have been told that's one reason why they believe in a god that rewards and punishes at death because then those that escaped consequences in life will get what they deserve in death. But that's not what some Christian doctrine teaches. If you ask for forgiveness on your deathbed, some doctrine says that's enough to go to heaven.
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Post by believingjesus on Apr 9, 2023 11:26:26 GMT -5
This is possibly a weird question to ask on the TMB but I’d like to know.
A pedophile is technically attracted to prepubescent children.
There is a different term for a sexual predator/abuser who is attracted to post-pubescent children. What is this term? I like to use language with specificity.
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Post by snow on Apr 9, 2023 11:51:48 GMT -5
This is possibly a weird question to ask on the TMB but I’d like to know. A pedophile is technically attracted to prepubescent children. There is a different term for a sexual predator/abuser who is attracted to post-pubescent children. What is this term? I like to use language with specificity. I believe the term is still pedophile, but there are many categories within the umbrella of pedophilia. Also, not all abusers of underage children are pedophiles but rather are abusers of 'opportunity'. They don't prefer children, but if they has access they will because they can. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
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Post by believingjesus on Apr 9, 2023 12:17:15 GMT -5
This is possibly a weird question to ask on the TMB but I’d like to know. A pedophile is technically attracted to prepubescent children. There is a different term for a sexual predator/abuser who is attracted to post-pubescent children. What is this term? I like to use language with specificity. I believe the term is still pedophile, but there are many categories within the umbrella of pedophilia. Also, not all abusers of underage children are pedophiles but rather are abusers of 'opportunity'. They don't prefer children, but if they has access they will because they can. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PedophiliaI looked into it online and there appears to be three categories of child sexual abusers depending on the age range of the abused child. I’d like to say first that depending on the age of consent not all adults who fall under the third category are child sexual abusers. Quoting from Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia ), “Hebephilia is the strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent children who are in early adolescence, typically ages 11–14 and showing Tanner stages 2 to 3 of physical development.[1] It differs from pedophilia (the primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children), and from ephebophilia (the primary sexual interest in later adolescents, typically ages 15–19).”
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Post by snow on Apr 9, 2023 12:33:04 GMT -5
I believe the term is still pedophile, but there are many categories within the umbrella of pedophilia. Also, not all abusers of underage children are pedophiles but rather are abusers of 'opportunity'. They don't prefer children, but if they has access they will because they can. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PedophiliaI looked into it online and there appears to be three categories of child sexual abusers depending on the age range of the abused child. I’d like to say first that depending on the age of consent not all adults who fall under the third category are child sexual abusers. Quoting from Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia ), “Hebephilia is the strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent children who are in early adolescence, typically ages 11–14 and showing Tanner stages 2 to 3 of physical development.[1] It differs from pedophilia (the primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children), and from ephebophilia (the primary sexual interest in later adolescents, typically ages 15–19).” There is also a sub category Infantophilia. jaapl.org/content/jaapl/23/1/63.full.pdf
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Post by mountain on Apr 9, 2023 14:02:38 GMT -5
I looked into it online and there appears to be three categories of child sexual abusers depending on the age range of the abused child. I’d like to say first that depending on the age of consent not all adults who fall under the third category are child sexual abusers. Quoting from Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia ), “Hebephilia is the strong, persistent sexual interest by adults in pubescent children who are in early adolescence, typically ages 11–14 and showing Tanner stages 2 to 3 of physical development.[1] It differs from pedophilia (the primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children), and from ephebophilia (the primary sexual interest in later adolescents, typically ages 15–19).” There is also a sub category Infantophilia. jaapl.org/content/jaapl/23/1/63.full.pdfThe strangest one that I ever came across was a case of necrophilia, which apparently is believed to be more common than you would think, often involving funeral parlour workers and hospital porters. This even beats cases of bestiality and dendrophilia (some tree hugging ain't what it seems). We're a weird lot us humans!
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Post by snow on Apr 9, 2023 14:06:34 GMT -5
The strangest one that I ever came across was a case of necrophilia, which apparently is believed to be more common than you would think, often involving funeral parlour workers and hospital porters. This even beats cases of bestiality and dendrophilia (some tree hugging ain't what it seems). We're a weird lot us humans! No kidding mountain. We are a weird lot!
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 9, 2023 14:13:30 GMT -5
I don't believe God intervenes to stop sin. He answered for sin, He will judge sin, and one day He will end sin. But in the here and now, the prince of this world knows our vulnerabilities and perpetuates disobedience to steal men's souls (1 Peter 5:8). Workers are suppose to have overcome all flesh, Bruer obviously should have stepped down from the Work when he could not contain himself. Instead, he yielded to temptation and became a wolf in sheep's clothing. As Paul said, "It is good for them to remain unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion." (1 Corinthians 7:9).
Many think DB got away with something and its understandable that his victims want revenge. But no one escapes the wrath of God, judgement will come. (Matthew 18:9 & Romans 12: 19-21) "Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10: 30-31).
I too understand how victims wish to seek vindication. But, in many cases, people just want justice. Maybe those two things have overlapping areas? I think, more than anything, when people have been harmed or when they have empathy for others that have been harmed they ultimately hope that justice will be served. They cannot reverse the harm that has already been done, but if there is a sense of justice that helps them heal. Sadly, justice will never be met adequately in THIS lifetime for some people because, well, the perpetrator is dead. So then, what can happen to help people feel justice has been served? That's a tough one for me. I'm just trying to think of how I would feel if I was sexually abused and then the perp died and he never got due justice....I think that would be tough. I get what you are saying. In THIS life it seems as though justice was not served...."Where there is no justice the people despair." When people despair all sorts of things can happen.....
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Post by chuck on Apr 9, 2023 19:10:11 GMT -5
I'm kinda glad I wasn't baptised by Judas Who would! But God allows such! Hey how about this... Is it right/sensible/correct to 'throw out the baby with the bathwater'? What happened in the the NT? Was the Apostolic ministry (that Jesus prayed all night before naming) discarded/doomed because of one 'bad egg'/Judas? No it was cleansed of the bad egg/Judas and continued right on. What do you suppose Jesus actually said all night?, most people would be repeating themselves after 10mins......
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 9, 2023 20:45:12 GMT -5
Who would! But God allows such! Hey how about this... Is it right/sensible/correct to 'throw out the baby with the bathwater'? What happened in the the NT? Was the Apostolic ministry (that Jesus prayed all night before naming) discarded/doomed because of one 'bad egg'/Judas? No it was cleansed of the bad egg/Judas and continued right on. What do you suppose Jesus actually said all night?, most people would be repeating themselves after 10mins...... Your post gives expression of your understanding of Jesus Christ. He's had plenty such experience. 🤷♂️
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 9, 2023 20:49:02 GMT -5
What do you suppose Jesus actually said all night?, most people would be repeating themselves after 10mins...... Your post gives expression of your understanding of Jesus Christ. He's had plenty such experience. 🤷♂️ Judas committed suicide …… Tru Dat ! The account for Judas’s death in Matthew 27 began when Jesus was led away to the cross. Judas saw the result of his actions and “was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priest and elders,” (Matthew 27:3). Judas confessed, but the chief priests and elders didn’t care. “What is that to us?” they replied in verse 4. “So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself” (Matthew 27:5).
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 9, 2023 21:15:01 GMT -5
This is possibly a weird question to ask on the TMB but I’d like to know. A pedophile is technically attracted to prepubescent children. There is a different term for a sexual predator/abuser who is attracted to post-pubescent children. What is this term? I like to use language with specificity. Pedophile is the word for a person attracted to pre-pubescent children, whether they abuse or not. The line between pre-pubescent and post pubescent is not a clear one. An alternative to pedophile, for abusers of post pubescent underage people who cannot legally consent, might properly be referred to as a child molester -- the term "child" being a term defined in law.
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