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Post by believingjesus on Apr 6, 2023 17:22:22 GMT -5
To be fair, this is absolutely correct. DB is Judas, not anyone with information or allegations about what he did. This is a much needed coping mechanism. It helps workers/current members come to grips with the fact that one of their own (especially one in the upper echelons of the church hierarchy) could be capable of such egregious behavior. Of course they are. However their actions towards those who go to the police paint a different picture. If Bruer was alive he would have been shipped off to Mozambique with some silly worker saying the need was great there. Your post would be hilarious if it weren’t so accurate/sad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 17:28:11 GMT -5
Proverbs 16 isn't worried about gracious talk it talks about wise talk... It also talks about gracious talk. Wise talk I agree is good. Gracious on this subject not so good. Which verse I'm not seeing it?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 6, 2023 18:20:43 GMT -5
Well, as momma always says, "you can't fix stupid", so I guess I'll leave this one alone. You can’t fix stupid” is a popular American expression. “But I can’t fix stupid” was in the comic strip Shoe by Jeff MacNelly (1947-2000) on August 4, 1991. Jim White (1937-2009), an American radio talk-show host on KMOX, in St. Louis, Missouri, frequently used the expression and was credited for it in a newspaper on February 2, 1995, but there is no evidence that he used the expression as early as 1991. It was not momma that said that ! But what do I know . Thx Mr B 🐾
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Post by chuck on Apr 6, 2023 20:17:33 GMT -5
To be fair, this is absolutely correct. DB is Judas, not anyone with information or allegations about what he did. This is a much needed coping mechanism. It helps workers/current members come to grips with the fact that one of their own (especially one in the upper echelons of the church hierarchy) could be capable of such egregious behavior. Of course they are. However their actions towards those who go to the police paint a different picture. If Bruer was alive he would have been shipped off to Mozambique with some silly worker saying the need was great there. Ironically that's exactly the question Revelation is asking, Is it Caeser's way or the Christ's way....the Roman's funnily enough shipped trouble makers off to overseas posts.
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Post by chuck on Apr 6, 2023 20:21:12 GMT -5
It also talks about gracious talk. Wise talk I agree is good. Gracious on this subject not so good. Which verse I'm not seeing it? L O R D..... Exodus 34:6
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Post by verna on Apr 6, 2023 20:35:19 GMT -5
I am not placing blame on you personally but is this not the kind of willful blindness that created an atmosphere for db to be able to do what he did. I suspect leaning a bit more on our own understanding would be advisable. No? Leaning not on our own understanding and using God's understanding to help direct our lives does not mean that we walk around blindly. Do you think God and Christ would want us to be blind to this? Proverbs 16:22 Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly. Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. It seems that everyone in this situation claims to have been following God/Jesus - whoever - and yet no one picked anything up. This would shake my confidence.
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Post by fixit on Apr 6, 2023 21:17:32 GMT -5
First of all we need to trust that God has everything in the palm of his hand. This might be the very thing God is using to make the necessary changes. It doesn't mean that God consents in the actions, but he might be using it to purify. Just as God didn't consent with Judas, but he used it fulfill his will. But, that also might be me leaning on my own understanding. God knows all and therefore he is the only one with righteous judgement. We sit on here and pontificate, leaning on our own understanding. God's will will be done. We know that Jesus felt the need to purify and purge the temple, so he overthrew the tables. Maybe God is over throwing some tables right now. I am not placing blame on you personally but is this not the kind of willful blindness that created an atmosphere for db to be able to do what he did. I suspect leaning a bit more on our own understanding would be advisable. No? I hear you Verna. The following comes to mind: Matthew 15:13 He answered, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be torn up by the roots. 14 Leave them alone; they are blind guides [leading blind followers]. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 6, 2023 21:36:45 GMT -5
I am not placing blame on you personally but is this not the kind of willful blindness that created an atmosphere for db to be able to do what he did. I suspect leaning a bit more on our own understanding would be advisable. No? I hear you Verna. The following comes to mind: Matthew 15:13 He answered, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be torn up by the roots. 14 Leave them alone; they are blind guides [leading blind followers]. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” Yes, the parable of the wheat and the tares is very appropriate...
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Post by verna on Apr 6, 2023 21:37:17 GMT -5
I am not placing blame on you personally but is this not the kind of willful blindness that created an atmosphere for db to be able to do what he did. I suspect leaning a bit more on our own understanding would be advisable. No? I hear you Verna. The following comes to mind: Matthew 15:13 He answered, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be torn up by the roots. 14 Leave them alone; they are blind guides [leading blind followers]. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” For the most part we see what we were taught to see and ignore what we were taught to ignore. It’s desperately hard to escape, especially when we have been taught not to think for ourselves (critically). And yet people insist on believing they are hearing from God. This situation is evidence to me that God is absent.
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Post by fixit on Apr 6, 2023 22:01:30 GMT -5
I hear you Verna. The following comes to mind: Matthew 15:13 He answered, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be torn up by the roots. 14 Leave them alone; they are blind guides [leading blind followers]. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” For the most part we see what we were taught to see and ignore what we were taught to ignore. It’s desperately hard to escape, especially when we have been taught not to think for ourselves (critically). And yet people insist on believing they are hearing from God. This situation is evidence to me that God is absent. Religious leaders should never preach themselves. They should acknowledge that they are mere humans and encourage people to listen to, and put their faith in, the voice of God alone. It's powerful and effective. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and full of power [making it operative, energizing, and effective]. It is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating as far as the division of the soul and spirit [the completeness of a person], and of both joints and marrow [the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and judging the very thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And not a creature exists that is concealed from His sight, but all things are open and exposed, and revealed to the eyes of Him with whom we have to give account.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 22:06:57 GMT -5
Which verse I'm not seeing it? L O R D..... Exodus 34:6 Proverbs is where we were...specifically Proverbs 16.
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Post by verna on Apr 6, 2023 22:09:35 GMT -5
For the most part we see what we were taught to see and ignore what we were taught to ignore. It’s desperately hard to escape, especially when we have been taught not to think for ourselves (critically). And yet people insist on believing they are hearing from God. This situation is evidence to me that God is absent. Religious leaders should never preach themselves. They should acknowledge that they are mere humans and encourage people to listen to, and put their faith in, the voice of God alone. It's powerful and effective. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and full of power [making it operative, energizing, and effective]. It is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating as far as the division of the soul and spirit [the completeness of a person], and of both joints and marrow [the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and judging the very thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And not a creature exists that is concealed from His sight, but all things are open and exposed, and revealed to the eyes of Him with whom we have to give account. But Fixit - everybody thinks they’re listening to God’s voice!!!! That’s what I’m saying!!!! It is not so - NO GOD’S VOICE!!!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 6, 2023 22:12:08 GMT -5
Of course they are. However their actions towards those who go to the police paint a different picture. If Bruer was alive he would have been shipped off to Mozambique with some silly worker saying the need was great there. Ironically that's exactly the question Revelation is asking, Is it Caeser's way or the Christ's way....the Roman's funnily enough shipped trouble makers off to overseas posts. Yes. I have read Asterix books as well.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 6, 2023 22:15:12 GMT -5
Religious leaders should never preach themselves. They should acknowledge that they are mere humans and encourage people to listen to, and put their faith in, the voice of God alone. It's powerful and effective. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and full of power [making it operative, energizing, and effective]. It is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating as far as the division of the soul and spirit [the completeness of a person], and of both joints and marrow [the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and judging the very thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And not a creature exists that is concealed from His sight, but all things are open and exposed, and revealed to the eyes of Him with whom we have to give account. But Fixit - everybody thinks they’re listening to God’s voice!!!! That’s what I’m saying!!!! It is not so - NO GOD’S VOICE!!! Yes. That's the strangeness of this Bruer debacle. Bruer preaching was through his god. So how come this god did not stop Bruer's extra curricular activities. The answer is obvious of course.
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Post by chuck on Apr 6, 2023 22:28:17 GMT -5
Proverbs is where we were...specifically Proverbs 16. I believe it mentions the L O R D multiple times.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 22:41:07 GMT -5
Proverbs is where we were...specifically Proverbs 16. I believe it mentions the L O R D multiple times..... The words in question were wisely and gracious...
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Post by fixit on Apr 6, 2023 22:42:37 GMT -5
Religious leaders should never preach themselves. They should acknowledge that they are mere humans and encourage people to listen to, and put their faith in, the voice of God alone. It's powerful and effective. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and full of power [making it operative, energizing, and effective]. It is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating as far as the division of the soul and spirit [the completeness of a person], and of both joints and marrow [the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and judging the very thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And not a creature exists that is concealed from His sight, but all things are open and exposed, and revealed to the eyes of Him with whom we have to give account. But Fixit - everybody thinks they’re listening to God’s voice!!!! That’s what I’m saying!!!! It is not so - NO GOD’S VOICE!!! By their fruits you will know them.
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Post by verna on Apr 6, 2023 22:56:54 GMT -5
But Fixit - everybody thinks they’re listening to God’s voice!!!! That’s what I’m saying!!!! It is not so - NO GOD’S VOICE!!! By their fruits you will know them. We’ve gone full circle. No good fruits - no one saw what was going on. No one stood up for the victims. NOTHING!!!
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Post by chuck on Apr 6, 2023 23:02:04 GMT -5
I believe it mentions the L O R D multiple times..... The words in question were wisely and gracious... Gracious is part of the name of the L O R D. Exodus 34:5-6 [5]And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. [6]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Proverbs 16 mentions L O R D multiple times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 23:32:01 GMT -5
The words in question were wisely and gracious... Gracious is part of the name of the L O R D. Exodus 34:5-6 [5]And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. [6]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Proverbs 16 mentions L O R D multiple times. Gracious is what he is not his name....
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Post by chuck on Apr 6, 2023 23:38:25 GMT -5
Ironically that's exactly the question Revelation is asking, Is it Caeser's way or the Christ's way....the Roman's funnily enough shipped trouble makers off to overseas posts. Yes. I have read Asterix books as well. Goscinny coincidently just put it in a format recognizable to those who don't understand how to read ancient scripture.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 6, 2023 23:40:56 GMT -5
Yes. I have read Asterix books as well. Goscinny coincidently just put it in a format recognizable to those who don't understand how to read ancient scripture. I like the bit about the magic potion. Did you know that the biblical jesus could turn water into wine but not nails into noodles. He was very much a one trick pony.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 6, 2023 23:47:10 GMT -5
Goscinny coincidently just put it in a format recognizable to those who don't understand how to read ancient scripture. I like the bit about the magic potion. Did you know that the biblical jesus could turn water into wine but not nails into noodles. He was very much a one trick pony. My wife would have liked him back in the day, not so much now.
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Post by chuck on Apr 6, 2023 23:53:30 GMT -5
Gracious is part of the name of the L O R D. Exodus 34:5-6 [5]And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. [6]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Proverbs 16 mentions L O R D multiple times. Gracious is what he is not his name.... Name means character. To the writers L O R D was not the name of a specific existent entity like "wally", "the L O R D" was a reminder of a set of character traits, just like "the C H R I S T". The KJV whilst making the text readable has not brought across the concepts that were attached so instead we attach the way we think those words work and turn in into something it never was.
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Post by Dan on Apr 6, 2023 23:59:24 GMT -5
But Fixit - everybody thinks they’re listening to God’s voice!!!! That’s what I’m saying!!!! It is not so - NO GOD’S VOICE!!! Yes. That's the strangeness of this Bruer debacle. Bruer preaching was through his god. So how come this god did not stop Bruer's extra curricular activities. The answer is obvious of course.
Look around, the answer is obvious ...God doesn't stop sin.
But maybe God did hear the prayers of the abused? Bruer died at just 67, maybe God saw enough of the wickedness and took him out early? That gives " pray for your enemies" a whole new meaning He died suddenly in the cesspool where he fornicated.. Imagine that if he spent the money wasted on that motel to get a physical instead, a doctor may have detected and prevented what inevitably killed him?
I'm about the same age as Bruer was, half my hormones are gone, so I don't get why these older guys get so horny. It must have been more of a perverted obsession than a quest for sexual gratification?
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Post by chuck on Apr 7, 2023 0:32:20 GMT -5
Goscinny coincidently just put it in a format recognizable to those who don't understand how to read ancient scripture. I like the bit about the magic potion. Did you know that the biblical jesus could turn water into wine but not nails into noodles. He was very much a one trick pony. Most likely there is more to it than that.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 7, 2023 0:46:05 GMT -5
Yes. That's the strangeness of this Bruer debacle. Bruer preaching was through his god. So how come this god did not stop Bruer's extra curricular activities. The answer is obvious of course.
Look around, the answer is obvious ...God doesn't stop sin.
But maybe God did hear the prayers of the abused? Bruer died at just 67, maybe God saw enough of the wickedness and took him out early? That gives " pray for your enemies" a whole new meaning He died suddenly in the cesspool where he fornicated.. Imagine that if he spent the money wasted on that motel to get a physical instead, a doctor may have detected and prevented what inevitably killed him?
I'm about the same age as Bruer was, half my hormones are gone, so I don't get why these older guys get so horny. It must have been more of a perverted obsession than a quest for sexual gratification?
If your god was half as useful as you make out then Bruer would have been stopped before he offended. That would mean there would be no victims. But that is probably too easyand would spoil your narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2023 0:55:37 GMT -5
Look around, the answer is obvious ...God doesn't stop sin.
But maybe God did hear the prayers of the abused? Bruer died at just 67, maybe God saw enough of the wickedness and took him out early? That gives " pray for your enemies" a whole new meaning He died suddenly in the cesspool where he fornicated.. Imagine that if he spent the money wasted on that motel to get a physical instead, a doctor may have detected and prevented what inevitably killed him?
I'm about the same age as Bruer was, half my hormones are gone, so I don't get why these older guys get so horny. It must have been more of a perverted obsession than a quest for sexual gratification?
If your god was half as useful as you make out then Bruer would have been stopped before he offended. That would mean there would be no victims. But that is probably too easyand would spoil your narrative. It's about free will, everyone has it since ole Adam and Eve, obviously...
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