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Post by chuck on Apr 5, 2023 15:36:18 GMT -5
2 hours ago Roselyn T said:..... 1 hours ago Chuck said.... 16 mins ago mrdobalina said.... apparently denying/choking on/unable to accept: ....the experience of people who have been searching for reality, God, Jesus, the meaning and purpose of life . These people tell the story.... of having gone from church to church and been disappointed. Then they find the ministry and church that Roselyn T, Chuck, mrdobalina etc etc despise and.... find, life, joy peace, Jesus...their experience! 🤷♂️ Actually I was talking about your exclusive language, not the people you have taken liberty to speak for. Unless there is more than one reality??remarkably your church is the only one that offers it.......who would have thought.....
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Post by fixit on Apr 5, 2023 15:51:07 GMT -5
Just a side note, The "Truth' is not the name of the church, just a term of reference. Jesus said he was the 'Way' and the "Truth' (John 14:6), so when a person says they're in the Truth, they are inferring being in Christ. That's how it would have started, but it morphed into a name for the church. That is evident even on this thread.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 5, 2023 16:03:19 GMT -5
What you have displayed here tonight Vinny is known as hate speech. What I have experienced this entire time on this board is hate speech. You are a main perpetrator. You can tell you're in the truth. She's not been here any longer than you have. You gotta be on here a lot longer than you have to decide from whence most of the hell-fire criticism comes from.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 5, 2023 16:04:56 GMT -5
What I have experienced this entire time on this board is hate speech. You are a main perpetrator. You can tell you're in the truth. No I have not called people names like pathetic. That’s verbal abuse and it’s hateful. Actually calling someone pathetic isn't calling him names. "Pathetic" is an adjective.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 5, 2023 16:10:43 GMT -5
Mountain! Appreciate your post ! I think we are pretty much on the same page? Our church has had CSA committed by our workers/ministers and laity. Just the same as Lutheran, Anglican, Evangelical , Catholic, Southern Baptist etc etc has had CSA committed by their ministry and laity.Child sexual abusers are to be found across the religious spectrum and society as a whole. Historically there are instances of having been wrongly and inadequately dealt with by our workers/ministry. Just the same as historically Lutheran, Anglican, Evangelical , Catholic, Southern Baptist etc etc have wrongly and inadequately dealt with it. I feel in the field of CSA 'enlightenment' is coming/has come; across churches and society as a whole. Hopefully the present is and future will be better than the past! I am 100 % supportive of the work Cythnia Liles, Sheri and Lauren!I am so encouraged and glad for what they are doing for our church! I hope a Code of Conduct along the lines of the enlightened one developed and used for a number of years in Australia and in some other jurisdictions is implemented world wide. That every worker does a Ministry Safe type course and refreshers. For those who have abused, I applaud Cynthia in operating/manning her hotline and her offer to support victims bring criminal charges, if that is the course the victim wishes to pursue. Enlightened thinking recognises that the victim controls that agenda. The present Dean Bruer case, my observations for what they are worth: a) Like one poster has said, Dean Bruer was likely a lone wolf operator. b) The two statements issued by Doyle Smith give me an initial confidence that he is sincerely seeking to deal with the Dean Bruer aftermath in a transparent honest manner. He is being advised and helped by professionals in the field. But let these two observations stand the scrutiny of any examination/ investigation! All of us in the church want all that can be done so that our children are safe and victims get every support they need! Lastly; TMB reality.... A small clique of posters who have posted often on this thread and on the TMB forum at large. My cynical observation; they using the Dean Bruer situation primarily as vehicle to give expression to the malignancy within them that they feel towards workers..and the church at large. A TMB reality.🤷♂️
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 5, 2023 16:22:05 GMT -5
2 hours ago Roselyn T said:..... 1 hours ago Chuck said.... 16 mins ago mrdobalina said.... apparently denying/choking on/unable to accept: ....the experience of people who have been searching for reality, God, Jesus, the meaning and purpose of life . These people tell the story.... of having gone from church to church and been disappointed. Then they find the ministry and church that Roselyn T, Chuck, mrdobalina etc etc despise and.... find, life, joy peace, Jesus...their experience! 🤷♂️ Searching for reality, are you smoking crack? What im choking on is the huge lie you guys just can't seem to face up to & come clean on, given your name & all its hypocrisy at the highest level, and im not going to apologize for having standards Would you rather lie to people to save them from dissapointment? Because that says a lot more about you than it does about me. If you are a liar, then surely Satan is your master.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 5, 2023 16:22:57 GMT -5
I think we mostly know not enough about the "case" to even discuss it. Otherwise, we can dismiss it all as gossip -- grains of truth being processes in the blender of imagination. The "case" if there is one, will not be about Dean Bruer anyway.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 5, 2023 16:26:05 GMT -5
Dear Friends in AB, YT, NWT and NE BC I have often thought about writing a general letter to you all since news of Dean Bruer's tragic situation first broke a couple of weeks ago, but I hardly have known what to write. I just feel so sad as you no doubt do. I still don't know what to write, but perhaps l'II make an attempt at putting something together today. These are my thoughts...... A line of a hymn comes to mind several times every day...'Art thou pained to see the kingdom suffer loss?' I'm pained when I think of those women that Dean hurt so badly. I'm pained when I think of how much he has complicated their lives and how much they will suffer for it through the years. I pray that God can help them heal and move on again. And, I hope that you are praying for them also. I'm pained when I think of Dean, a man who appeared to be so useful and so faithful for so many years and then let something awful into his heart that destroyed him and hurt so many others. This pain is scary for me because like many of you who will be reading this letter, I am in the same age group that Dean was in. I pray desperately that God would help me to keep my heart pure until the journey's end. I pray that he will keep you also. I'm pained when I think of Mark who has now been accused of acting improperly. I'm so glad that he quickly, humbly stepped back. I'm pained when I think of my good friends who have been disappointed by workers who should have been examples to them. I pray that God will keep you all through this storm just as he has kept all of us through the past storms of life. I want to reassure you that we will do everything possible to make sure this does not happen again. I'm pained when I think of all those wonderful, Godly workers in areas where Dean has worked, who are now suffering for his actions. I'm pained for people who get some sad satisfaction out of spreading evil things that they find on social media and I ask, why aren't they pained to see the kingdom suffer loss? May God have mercy on them. Our study of Prov 16 has some very good food for thought in verses 20 and 27 I'm thankful when I remember that 'there is nothing new under the sun', as Solomon wrote. Jesus chose 12 disciples and one of them made a horrible error. With tens of thousands of friends and workers in the world today, it is inevitable that some will make a terrible mistake. I'm thankful when I receive message after message from friends encouraging me and wanting me to know that they are praying for us workers and support us in these difficult days. I'm thankful to know that most of our friends in our area are just patiently continuing. God knows His own and is taking care of His own. I'm thankful when I remember that this too shall pass and when it does, I want to make very sure that I am still on the right side. I'm thankful that when I pray, God brings peace into my distressed heart and I'm so grateful to remember Jesus' promise that He would give us His peace.... His peace, not as the world gives peace. I'm thankful when I remember that God is still on the throne and has everything under HIS control. This is HIS kingdom and HE will not let it come to harm. It has stood through many a storm over the centuries and it will come out stronger and purified again like it has before. I'm thankful when I remember that 'This world my home could never be, for Christ is coming back for me' May God help us all to "Pray for the peace of the city" and to pray that God would send his Son again to take us to be with him.
A Brother, Michael Hassett . Note Merlin Affleck’s is (BC, Canada and Western Provinces overseer)
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 5, 2023 16:37:06 GMT -5
Oh my gosh look at this sad , selfless soul ! Dear Friends in AB, YT, NWT and NE BC I have often thought about writing a general letter to you all since news of Dean Bruer's tragic situation first broke a couple of weeks ago, but I hardly have known what to write. I just feel so sad as you no doubt do. I still don't know what to write, but perhaps l'II make an attempt at putting something together today. These are my thoughts...... A line of a hymn comes to mind several times every day...'Art thou pained to see the kingdom suffer loss?' I'm pained when I think of those women that Dean hurt so badly. I'm pained when I think of how much he has complicated their lives and how much they will suffer for it through the years. I pray that God can help them heal and move on again. And, I hope that you are praying for them also. I'm pained when I think of Dean, a man who appeared to be so useful and so faithful for so many years and then let something awful into his heart that destroyed him and hurt so many others. This pain is scary for me because like many of you who will be reading this letter, I am in the same age group that Dean was in. I pray desperately that God would help me to keep my heart pure until the journey's end. I pray that he will keep you also. I'm pained when I think of Mark who has now been accused of acting improperly. I'm so glad that he quickly, humbly stepped back. I'm pained when I think of my good friends who have been disappointed by workers who should have been examples to them. I pray that God will keep you all through this storm just as he has kept all of us through the past storms of life. I want to reassure you that we will do everything possible to make sure this does not happen again. I'm pained when I think of all those wonderful, Godly workers in areas where Dean has worked, who are now suffering for his actions. I'm pained for people who get some sad satisfaction out of spreading evil things that they find on social media and I ask, why aren't they pained to see the kingdom suffer loss? May God have mercy on them. Our study of Prov 16 has some very good food for thought in verses 20 and 27 I'm thankful when I remember that 'there is nothing new under the sun', as Solomon wrote. Jesus chose 12 disciples and one of them made a horrible error. With tens of thousands of friends and workers in the world today, it is inevitable that some will make a terrible mistake. I'm thankful when I receive message after message from friends encouraging me and wanting me to know that they are praying for us workers and support us in these difficult days. I'm thankful to know that most of our friends in our area are just patiently continuing. God knows His own and is taking care of His own. I'm thankful when I remember that this too shall pass and when it does, I want to make very sure that I am still on the right side. I'm thankful that when I pray, God brings peace into my distressed heart and I'm so grateful to remember Jesus' promise that He would give us His peace.... His peace, not as the world gives peace. I'm thankful when I remember that God is still on the throne and has everything under HIS control. This is HIS kingdom and HE will not let it come to harm. It has stood through many a storm over the centuries and it will come out stronger and purified again like it has before. I'm thankful when I remember that 'This world my home could never be, for Christ is coming back for me' May God help us all to "Pray for the peace of the city" and to pray that God would send his Son again to take us to be with him. A Brother, Michael Hassett So sorry Vinny I can suggest you get on the list of who is who and what is going down . Please pay attention that this is from Canada , which has offending workers here . Have a great day ! A bit of wheel spinning going on here. A slippery road, I estimate. "Keep 'er in da road, rev'ren, keep 'er in da road!"
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Post by chuck on Apr 5, 2023 16:53:01 GMT -5
Mountain! Appreciate your post ! I think we are pretty much on the same page? Our church has had CSA committed by our workers/ministers and laity. Just the same as Lutheran, Anglican, Evangelical , Catholic, Southern Baptist etc etc has had CSA committed by their ministry and laity.Child sexual abusers are to be found across the religious spectrum and society as a whole. Historically there are instances of having been wrongly and inadequately dealt with by our workers/ministry. Just the same as historically Lutheran, Anglican, Evangelical , Catholic, Southern Baptist etc etc have wrongly and inadequately dealt with it. I feel in the field of CSA 'enlightenment' is coming/has come; across churches and society as a whole. Hopefully the present is and future will be better than the past! I am 100 % supportive of the work Cythnia Liles, Sheri and Lauren!I am so encouraged and glad for what they are doing for our church! I hope a Code of Conduct along the lines of the enlightened one developed and used for a number of years in Australia and in some other jurisdictions is implemented world wide. That every worker does a Ministry Safe type course and refreshers. For those who have abused, I applaud Cynthia in operating/manning her hotline and her offer to support victims bring criminal charges, if that is the course the victim wishes to pursue. Enlightened thinking recognises that the victim controls that agenda. The present Dean Bruer case, my observations for what they are worth: a) Like one poster has said, Dean Bruer was likely a lone wolf operator. b) The two statements issued by Doyle Smith give me an initial confidence that he is sincerely seeking to deal with the Dean Bruer aftermath in a transparent honest manner. He is being advised and helped by professionals in the field. But let these two observations stand the scrutiny of any examination/ investigation! All of us in the church want all that can be done so that our children are safe and victims get every support they need! Lastly; TMB reality.... A small clique of posters who have posted often on this thread and on the TMB forum at large. My cynical observation; they using the Dean Bruer situation primarily as vehicle to give expression to the malignancy within them that they feel towards workers..and the church at large. A TMB reality.🤷♂️ All of those churches are listed on the National Redress Scheme in Australia...... I went through the lists and couldn't find "The Truth", "The Way", 2x2's, "The Friendlies"...... You can apply you know.... www.nationalredress.gov.au/applying
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 5, 2023 17:00:51 GMT -5
Mountain! Appreciate your post ! I think we are pretty much on the same page? Our church has had CSA committed by our workers/ministers and laity. Just the same as Lutheran, Anglican, Evangelical , Catholic, Southern Baptist etc etc has had CSA committed by their ministry and laity.Child sexual abusers are to be found across the religious spectrum and society as a whole. I sincerely hope you're not suggesting that since others are doing it, that makes it OK, or somehow lessens the effect. I recall a time when "we" were better than everyone else. Has that ship sailed now?
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Post by chuck on Apr 5, 2023 17:07:46 GMT -5
Oh my gosh look at this sad , selfless soul ! Dear Friends in AB, YT, NWT and NE BC I have often thought about writing a general letter to you all since news of Dean Bruer's tragic situation first broke a couple of weeks ago, but I hardly have known what to write. I just feel so sad as you no doubt do. I still don't know what to write, but perhaps l'II make an attempt at putting something together today. These are my thoughts...... A line of a hymn comes to mind several times every day...'Art thou pained to see the kingdom suffer loss?' I'm pained when I think of those women that Dean hurt so badly. I'm pained when I think of how much he has complicated their lives and how much they will suffer for it through the years. I pray that God can help them heal and move on again. And, I hope that you are praying for them also. I'm pained when I think of Dean, a man who appeared to be so useful and so faithful for so many years and then let something awful into his heart that destroyed him and hurt so many others. This pain is scary for me because like many of you who will be reading this letter, I am in the same age group that Dean was in. I pray desperately that God would help me to keep my heart pure until the journey's end. I pray that he will keep you also. I'm pained when I think of Mark who has now been accused of acting improperly. I'm so glad that he quickly, humbly stepped back. I'm pained when I think of my good friends who have been disappointed by workers who should have been examples to them. I pray that God will keep you all through this storm just as he has kept all of us through the past storms of life. I want to reassure you that we will do everything possible to make sure this does not happen again. I'm pained when I think of all those wonderful, Godly workers in areas where Dean has worked, who are now suffering for his actions. I'm pained for people who get some sad satisfaction out of spreading evil things that they find on social media and I ask, why aren't they pained to see the kingdom suffer loss? May God have mercy on them. Our study of Prov 16 has some very good food for thought in verses 20 and 27 I'm thankful when I remember that 'there is nothing new under the sun', as Solomon wrote. Jesus chose 12 disciples and one of them made a horrible error. With tens of thousands of friends and workers in the world today, it is inevitable that some will make a terrible mistake. I'm thankful when I receive message after message from friends encouraging me and wanting me to know that they are praying for us workers and support us in these difficult days. I'm thankful to know that most of our friends in our area are just patiently continuing. God knows His own and is taking care of His own. I'm thankful when I remember that this too shall pass and when it does, I want to make very sure that I am still on the right side. I'm thankful that when I pray, God brings peace into my distressed heart and I'm so grateful to remember Jesus' promise that He would give us His peace.... His peace, not as the world gives peace. I'm thankful when I remember that God is still on the throne and has everything under HIS control. This is HIS kingdom and HE will not let it come to harm. It has stood through many a storm over the centuries and it will come out stronger and purified again like it has before. I'm thankful when I remember that 'This world my home could never be, for Christ is coming back for me' May God help us all to "Pray for the peace of the city" and to pray that God would send his Son again to take us to be with him. A Brother, Michael Hassett So sorry Vinny I can suggest you get on the list of who is who and what is going down . Please pay attention that this is from Canada , which has offending workers here . Have a great day ! A bit of wheel spinning going on here. A slippery road, I estimate. "Keep 'er in da road, rev'ren, keep 'er in da road!" I'm confused.... didn't Dean do all these things Michael is doing? is it like a lucky dip?
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Post by snow on Apr 5, 2023 17:53:21 GMT -5
Dear Friends in AB, YT, NWT and NE BC I have often thought about writing a general letter to you all since news of Dean Bruer's tragic situation first broke a couple of weeks ago, but I hardly have known what to write. I just feel so sad as you no doubt do. I still don't know what to write, but perhaps l'II make an attempt at putting something together today. These are my thoughts...... A line of a hymn comes to mind several times every day...'Art thou pained to see the kingdom suffer loss?' I'm pained when I think of those women that Dean hurt so badly. I'm pained when I think of how much he has complicated their lives and how much they will suffer for it through the years. I pray that God can help them heal and move on again. And, I hope that you are praying for them also. I'm pained when I think of Dean, a man who appeared to be so useful and so faithful for so many years and then let something awful into his heart that destroyed him and hurt so many others. This pain is scary for me because like many of you who will be reading this letter, I am in the same age group that Dean was in. I pray desperately that God would help me to keep my heart pure until the journey's end. I pray that he will keep you also. I'm pained when I think of Mark who has now been accused of acting improperly. I'm so glad that he quickly, humbly stepped back. I'm pained when I think of my good friends who have been disappointed by workers who should have been examples to them. I pray that God will keep you all through this storm just as he has kept all of us through the past storms of life. I want to reassure you that we will do everything possible to make sure this does not happen again. I'm pained when I think of all those wonderful, Godly workers in areas where Dean has worked, who are now suffering for his actions. I'm pained for people who get some sad satisfaction out of spreading evil things that they find on social media and I ask, why aren't they pained to see the kingdom suffer loss? May God have mercy on them. Our study of Prov 16 has some very good food for thought in verses 20 and 27 I'm thankful when I remember that 'there is nothing new under the sun', as Solomon wrote. Jesus chose 12 disciples and one of them made a horrible error. With tens of thousands of friends and workers in the world today, it is inevitable that some will make a terrible mistake. I'm thankful when I receive message after message from friends encouraging me and wanting me to know that they are praying for us workers and support us in these difficult days. I'm thankful to know that most of our friends in our area are just patiently continuing. God knows His own and is taking care of His own. I'm thankful when I remember that this too shall pass and when it does, I want to make very sure that I am still on the right side. I'm thankful that when I pray, God brings peace into my distressed heart and I'm so grateful to remember Jesus' promise that He would give us His peace.... His peace, not as the world gives peace. I'm thankful when I remember that God is still on the throne and has everything under HIS control. This is HIS kingdom and HE will not let it come to harm. It has stood through many a storm over the centuries and it will come out stronger and purified again like it has before. I'm thankful when I remember that 'This world my home could never be, for Christ is coming back for me' May God help us all to "Pray for the peace of the city" and to pray that God would send his Son again to take us to be with him. A Brother, Michael Hassett . Note Merlin Affleck’s is (BC, Canada and Western Provinces overseer) While I'm sure he is pained that this has happened, it sounds more like it's not because of the victims so much as how it's impacting the church. For him to say he's sorry "it's complicated their lives" is an interesting way of looking at something this serious. I'm glad he does acknowledge that they will suffer life long, but you never completely 'move on' like he wants them to do. Also he is thankful this too shall pass and the church will be the stronger for it. Well Mr Hassat, this too shall pass for you and likely not effect you too much, but this will never 'pass' for those who have been abused. Never. So I feel that was a rather insensitive thing to say. He is also 'pained' that people are spreading this information. I'm sorry but that sounds a lot like he's pained about transparency. Transparency is the only way this is going to stop. Awareness and knowledge is key to stopping this. This seems to be an incidence where he starts out good, but should have left it at that because the rest of the letter goes down hill for me anyway. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but the wording in this letter has triggered me more than most that have been issued by the workers.
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2023 17:56:18 GMT -5
Well this thread is beyond ridiculous at this point. I'm reminded why I hadn't been on here in 8 years.I think most people realize or believe there's going to be more investigation, further workers exposed, etc. But Vinny initially presented himself as some semblance neutral authority with inside information, and now it kinda seems like he only knows what everyone else knows when we know it and the true interest is in piling on and disparaging everyone ever involved in the group. Personally I am very interested to see what comes from the Cynthia Liles investigation, and other actual law enforcement types. Likely to get a bit ugly for the workers, but it will be good to hear it from the horse's mouth instead of some angry anonymous guy on a message board. And it goes both ways. At some point people in the group need to just ignore the dude and let things play out. A timely reminder for all of us here.Try and keep this thread as useful as possible. Some hints: - Argue privately (use PMs) - nowhere near as much fun, admittedly.
- Start a separate thread (with a more specific topic heading).
- Don't quote large slabs of posts, just edit it down to the specific few sentences that you are referring to.
From here on, as the admin team find time, long argumentative posts will just be deleted without reading the whole length of repeated material. If there's a good point being made, it will likely be removed in this process (we don't have time or inclination to read and re-read lengthy quotes of what's gone before). Thanks, just a little more discipline by you all will work to everyone's advantage! admin
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 5, 2023 18:13:02 GMT -5
Dear Friends in AB, YT, NWT and NE BC I have often thought about writing a general letter to you all since news of Dean Bruer's tragic situation first broke a couple of weeks ago, but I hardly have known what to write. I just feel so sad as you no doubt do. I still don't know what to write, but perhaps l'II make an attempt at putting something together today. These are my thoughts...... A line of a hymn comes to mind several times every day...'Art thou pained to see the kingdom suffer loss?' I'm pained when I think of those women that Dean hurt so badly. I'm pained when I think of how much he has complicated their lives and how much they will suffer for it through the years. I pray that God can help them heal and move on again. And, I hope that you are praying for them also. I'm pained when I think of Dean, a man who appeared to be so useful and so faithful for so many years and then let something awful into his heart that destroyed him and hurt so many others. This pain is scary for me because like many of you who will be reading this letter, I am in the same age group that Dean was in. I pray desperately that God would help me to keep my heart pure until the journey's end. I pray that he will keep you also. I'm pained when I think of Mark who has now been accused of acting improperly. I'm so glad that he quickly, humbly stepped back. I'm pained when I think of my good friends who have been disappointed by workers who should have been examples to them. I pray that God will keep you all through this storm just as he has kept all of us through the past storms of life. I want to reassure you that we will do everything possible to make sure this does not happen again. I'm pained when I think of all those wonderful, Godly workers in areas where Dean has worked, who are now suffering for his actions. I'm pained for people who get some sad satisfaction out of spreading evil things that they find on social media and I ask, why aren't they pained to see the kingdom suffer loss? May God have mercy on them. Our study of Prov 16 has some very good food for thought in verses 20 and 27 I'm thankful when I remember that 'there is nothing new under the sun', as Solomon wrote. Jesus chose 12 disciples and one of them made a horrible error. With tens of thousands of friends and workers in the world today, it is inevitable that some will make a terrible mistake. I'm thankful when I receive message after message from friends encouraging me and wanting me to know that they are praying for us workers and support us in these difficult days. I'm thankful to know that most of our friends in our area are just patiently continuing. God knows His own and is taking care of His own. I'm thankful when I remember that this too shall pass and when it does, I want to make very sure that I am still on the right side. I'm thankful that when I pray, God brings peace into my distressed heart and I'm so grateful to remember Jesus' promise that He would give us His peace.... His peace, not as the world gives peace. I'm thankful when I remember that God is still on the throne and has everything under HIS control. This is HIS kingdom and HE will not let it come to harm. It has stood through many a storm over the centuries and it will come out stronger and purified again like it has before. I'm thankful when I remember that 'This world my home could never be, for Christ is coming back for me' May God help us all to "Pray for the peace of the city" and to pray that God would send his Son again to take us to be with him. A Brother, Michael Hassett . Note Merlin Affleck’s is (BC, Canada and Western Provinces overseer) While I'm sure he is pained that this has happened, it sounds more like it's not because of the victims so much as how it's impacting the church. For him to say he's sorry "it's complicated their lives" is an interesting way of looking at something this serious. I'm glad he does acknowledge that they will suffer life long, but you never completely 'move on' like he wants them to do. Also he is thankful this too shall pass and the church will be the stronger for it. Well Mr Hassat, this too shall pass for you and likely not effect you too much, but this will never 'pass' for those who have been abused. Never. So I feel that was a rather insensitive thing to say. He is also 'pained' that people are spreading this information. I'm sorry but that sounds a lot like he's pained about transparency. Transparency is the only way this is going to stop. Awareness and knowledge is key to stopping this. This seems to be an incidence where he starts out good, but should have left it at that because the rest of the letter goes down hill for me anyway. Maybe I'm being too harsh .
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 5, 2023 18:15:23 GMT -5
He is also 'pained' that people are spreading this information. I'm sorry but that sounds a lot like he's pained about transparency. Transparency is the only way this is going to stop. Awareness and knowledge is key to stopping this. This seems to be an incidence where he starts out good, but should have left it at that because the rest of the letter goes down hill for me anyway. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but the wording in this letter has triggered me more than most that have been issued by the workers. I formed the same impression too Snow. We are seeing "minimise" the incidents, and maximise some Hymns or Scripture. De-emphasize the illegal activity, and emphasize the church. Minimise the impact it might have on the church, and offer thoughts and prayers for the victims. But no talk, certainly on here, of establishing some sort of fund for the victims, eg: paid counseling.
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Post by fixit on Apr 5, 2023 18:33:13 GMT -5
I recall a time when "we" were better than everyone else. Has that ship sailed now? Good point. Preaching ourselves is a bad idea.
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Post by believingjesus on Apr 5, 2023 18:51:40 GMT -5
Dear Friends in AB, YT, NWT and NE BC I'm pained for people who get some sad satisfaction out of spreading evil things that they find on social media and I ask, why aren't they pained to see the kingdom suffer loss? May God have mercy on them. A Brother, Michael Hassett . Well isn’t this rich? I take no pleasure in the pain DB has caused his victims/survivors. However, I do take great pleasure in seeing (finally and justly!) the organization’s underbelly exposed. Why would I be pained to see an organization as smug as MH himself get its just desserts? The workers (and yes I’m generalizing here to make a point) have been exposed for what they are—wolves in sheep’s clothing. They are suddenly so “concerned” about the victims now that they can no longer sweep it under the rug like they have in the past. It’s laughable when the workers and friends point out that this happens in other churches too. Very few other churches make the grand claims they make for themselves—that they are the only true church on earth and only its members possess the “holy spirit.” I’m fond of saying that if a church wants to make the claim that it is the only correct church on earth then its members better behave like it!! Surely having the holy spirit should make a notable difference in a person’s behavior, yes? Also, why would I need the non-existent christian god to have mercy on me, especially regarding this of all things? 🤷
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 5, 2023 18:53:56 GMT -5
This seems to be an incidence where he starts out good, but should have left it at that because the rest of the letter goes down hill for me anyway. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but the wording in this letter has triggered me more than most that have been issued by the workers. I formed the same impression too Snow. We are seeing "minimise" the incidents, and maximise some Hymns or Scripture. De-emphasize the illegal activity, and emphasize the church. Minimise the impact it might have on the church, and offer thoughts and prayers for the victims. But no talk, certainly on here, of establishing some sort of fund for the victims, eg: paid counseling. Pragmatic are you a member /present member of the church? Why am I asking? Well if you are a member you will understand that church funds come solely from money given by members. You post: "But no talk, certainly on here, of establishing some sort of fund for the victims, eg: paid counseling". Is your input limited to TMB posts or are you a person who is willing to put your money where your mouth is?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 5, 2023 19:10:13 GMT -5
If you think that there are no recent cases and cases that are coming up Please check out Project Peacehaven on YouTube .
Just this year we have this ……….. Document Count Offence Date Statute 42855-1 42855-1 42855-1 2 Nature Accused 17-Feb-2019 CCC - 163.1(4) Possession of child Commit FAROUGH, pornography AARON Richard Eldon 17-Feb-2019 CCC - 163.1(3) Commit FAROUGH, Importing/distributing etc. child AARON Richard 17-Feb-2019 Cc° 163.1(4.1) accessing child Commit FAROUGH, pornography AARON Richard Eldon | Releases City of Offence Courtenay BC Courtenay BC Courtenay BC Documents] Participants [Charges Appearances| Sentences/Disp.| Releases Appr. Date Doc Ref Accused 12-Jan-2023 42855- FAROUGH, AARON 3 Richard Eldon 12-Jan-2023 42855- FAROUGH, AARON 2 Richard Eldon Cnt Count Lesser/Incl. Finding CCC 163.1 4.1 accessing child pornography CCC 163.1 3 Importing/distributing child pornography Finalized 2023 ! I would like to reach out and ……… but can only do so in my head !
Alaska: Mark Huddle, Scott Price, Dean Bruer, 1998-1999 . Hhhhmmmmm I recall those names from somewhere ! Where might that be ? Yes we have Mark H and Dean in the same field . Remarkable to say the least . Is this why MH stepped back not DOWN !
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 5, 2023 19:14:03 GMT -5
Vinz, I'm sorry, but in the cage you must go to await sentence. Without trial and with the dispensing of the suspect-accused-conviction procedure, which no longer apply, The self appointed TMB Judge (not me) has pronounced you guilty of: 1) Threatening behaviour. 2) Warning people in an aggressive manner, 3) Verbal abuse, and 4) Hate Speech. That could all add up to quite a stretch away from TMB? It is irrelevant that the investigation procedure and the due process of law has not been carried out. In the absence of suspicion we must move straight to conviction. You are not permitted to say anything in answer to the charges in case you might repeat them. What? So I said that the perpetrators will be brought to justice and I'm a bad guy? I didn't threaten anyone and I was in due order threatened directly. But nothing is done to Ms Peggy Sullivan? I am absolutely NOT surprised at all because you people protect your own. Those who "profess" shall be forever protected. This is the exact behavior that the 2x2 cult does. That's OK, I was only trying to do the right thing and give the victims hope. I understand that that is the LAST thing that you people want. Just goes right along with what you've been doing. I've been bashed the entire time I've been in here because I do something that is foreign to you people, tell the truth.
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Post by Mary on Apr 5, 2023 19:43:46 GMT -5
I formed the same impression too Snow. We are seeing "minimise" the incidents, and maximise some Hymns or Scripture. De-emphasize the illegal activity, and emphasize the church. Minimise the impact it might have on the church, and offer thoughts and prayers for the victims. But no talk, certainly on here, of establishing some sort of fund for the victims, eg: paid counseling. Pragmatic are you a member /present member of the church? Why am I asking? Well if you are a member you will understand that church funds come solely from money given by members. You post: "But no talk, certainly on here, of establishing some sort of fund for the victims, eg: paid counseling". Is your input limited to TMB posts or are you a person who is willing to put your money where your mouth is? Hello All, good to be back. If you had taken time to check the resources available for victims in yours and Pragmatics country you would know that counselling is free. Compensation is also available and a lawyer, court or other is not needed. A therapist and psychiatrist is.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 5, 2023 19:48:02 GMT -5
I formed the same impression too Snow. We are seeing "minimise" the incidents, and maximise some Hymns or Scripture. De-emphasize the illegal activity, and emphasize the church. Minimise the impact it might have on the church, and offer thoughts and prayers for the victims. But no talk, certainly on here, of establishing some sort of fund for the victims, eg: paid counseling. Pragmatic are you a member /present member of the church? Why am I asking? Well if you are a member you will understand that church funds come solely from money given by members. You post: "But no talk, certainly on here, of establishing some sort of fund for the victims, eg: paid counseling". Is your input limited to TMB posts or are you a person who is willing to put your money where your mouth is? The best way to utilize money to help the victims of the cult you are in is too cut off the supply of it. Sycophants, leeches and enablers of the criminals in it would soon need to get a real job.
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Post by Mary on Apr 5, 2023 19:55:48 GMT -5
Vinz, I'm sorry, but in the cage you must go to await sentence. Without trial and with the dispensing of the suspect-accused-conviction procedure, which no longer apply, The self appointed TMB Judge (not me) has pronounced you guilty of: 1) Threatening behaviour. 2) Warning people in an aggressive manner, 3) Verbal abuse, and 4) Hate Speech. That could all add up to quite a stretch away from TMB? It is irrelevant that the investigation procedure and the due process of law has not been carried out. In the absence of suspicion we must move straight to conviction. You are not permitted to say anything in answer to the charges in case you might repeat them. What? So I said that the perpetrators will be brought to justice and I'm a bad guy? I didn't threaten anyone and I was in due order threatened directly. But nothing is done to Ms Peggy Sullivan? I am absolutely NOT surprised at all because you people protect your own. Those who "profess" shall be forever protected. This is the exact behavior that the 2x2 cult does. That's OK, I was only trying to do the right thing and give the victims hope. I understand that that is the LAST thing that you people want. Just goes right along with what you've been doing. I've been bashed the entire time I've been in here because I do something that is foreign to you people, tell the truth. We hear you vinny. There are some good people in the church and on this board who really care about victims of abuse but they are usually the ones who are silenced by their own people.
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 5, 2023 20:15:48 GMT -5
A bit of wheel spinning going on here. A slippery road, I estimate. "Keep 'er in da road, rev'ren, keep 'er in da road!" I'm confused.... didn't Dean do all these things Michael is doing? is it like a lucky dip? I know absolutely nothing about this Michael guy. He just sounded like he was spinning in place, to me. But everything he wrote sounds like Dean Bruer might have wrote, even though I have never met or heard Dean Bruer in my lifetime.
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Post by chuck on Apr 5, 2023 20:19:19 GMT -5
I formed the same impression too Snow. We are seeing "minimise" the incidents, and maximise some Hymns or Scripture. De-emphasize the illegal activity, and emphasize the church. Minimise the impact it might have on the church, and offer thoughts and prayers for the victims. But no talk, certainly on here, of establishing some sort of fund for the victims, eg: paid counseling. Pragmatic are you a member /present member of the church? Why am I asking? Well if you are a member you will understand that church funds come solely from money given by members. You post: "But no talk, certainly on here, of establishing some sort of fund for the victims, eg: paid counseling". Is your input limited to TMB posts or are you a person who is willing to put your money where your mouth is? The workers are sitting on millions, nothing to see here.......
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 5, 2023 20:19:56 GMT -5
Dear Friends in AB, YT, NWT and NE BC I have often thought about writing a general letter to you all since news of Dean Bruer's tragic situation first broke a couple of weeks ago, but I hardly have known what to write. I just feel so sad as you no doubt do. I still don't know what to write, but perhaps l'II make an attempt at putting something together today. These are my thoughts...... A line of a hymn comes to mind several times every day...'Art thou pained to see the kingdom suffer loss?' I'm pained when I think of those women that Dean hurt so badly. I'm pained when I think of how much he has complicated their lives and how much they will suffer for it through the years. I pray that God can help them heal and move on again. And, I hope that you are praying for them also. I'm pained when I think of Dean, a man who appeared to be so useful and so faithful for so many years and then let something awful into his heart that destroyed him and hurt so many others. This pain is scary for me because like many of you who will be reading this letter, I am in the same age group that Dean was in. I pray desperately that God would help me to keep my heart pure until the journey's end. I pray that he will keep you also. I'm pained when I think of Mark who has now been accused of acting improperly. I'm so glad that he quickly, humbly stepped back. I'm pained when I think of my good friends who have been disappointed by workers who should have been examples to them. I pray that God will keep you all through this storm just as he has kept all of us through the past storms of life. I want to reassure you that we will do everything possible to make sure this does not happen again. I'm pained when I think of all those wonderful, Godly workers in areas where Dean has worked, who are now suffering for his actions. I'm pained for people who get some sad satisfaction out of spreading evil things that they find on social media and I ask, why aren't they pained to see the kingdom suffer loss? May God have mercy on them. Our study of Prov 16 has some very good food for thought in verses 20 and 27 I'm thankful when I remember that 'there is nothing new under the sun', as Solomon wrote. Jesus chose 12 disciples and one of them made a horrible error. With tens of thousands of friends and workers in the world today, it is inevitable that some will make a terrible mistake. I'm thankful when I receive message after message from friends encouraging me and wanting me to know that they are praying for us workers and support us in these difficult days. I'm thankful to know that most of our friends in our area are just patiently continuing. God knows His own and is taking care of His own. I'm thankful when I remember that this too shall pass and when it does, I want to make very sure that I am still on the right side. I'm thankful that when I pray, God brings peace into my distressed heart and I'm so grateful to remember Jesus' promise that He would give us His peace.... His peace, not as the world gives peace. I'm thankful when I remember that God is still on the throne and has everything under HIS control. This is HIS kingdom and HE will not let it come to harm. It has stood through many a storm over the centuries and it will come out stronger and purified again like it has before. I'm thankful when I remember that 'This world my home could never be, for Christ is coming back for me' May God help us all to "Pray for the peace of the city" and to pray that God would send his Son again to take us to be with him. A Brother, Michael Hassett . Note Merlin Affleck’s is (BC, Canada and Western Provinces overseer) While I'm sure he is pained that this has happened, it sounds more like it's not because of the victims so much as how it's impacting the church. For him to say he's sorry "it's complicated their lives" is an interesting way of looking at something this serious. I'm glad he does acknowledge that they will suffer life long, but you never completely 'move on' like he wants them to do. Also he is thankful this too shall pass and the church will be the stronger for it. Well Mr Hassat, this too shall pass for you and likely not effect you too much, but this will never 'pass' for those who have been abused. Never. So I feel that was a rather insensitive thing to say. He is also 'pained' that people are spreading this information. I'm sorry but that sounds a lot like he's pained about transparency. Transparency is the only way this is going to stop. Awareness and knowledge is key to stopping this. This seems to be an incidence where he starts out good, but should have left it at that because the rest of the letter goes down hill for me anyway. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but the wording in this letter has triggered me more than most that have been issued by the workers. Too bad it was entirely platitudes. How can anyone evaluate his sincerity with that? I'm kinda sad for the people whom it was sent to.
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Post by chuck on Apr 5, 2023 20:33:18 GMT -5
I'm confused.... didn't Dean do all these things Michael is doing? is it like a lucky dip? I know absolutely nothing about this Michael guy. He just sounded like he was spinning in place, to me. But everything he wrote sounds like Dean Bruer might have wrote, even though I have never met or heard Dean Bruer in my lifetime. You dont have to know either to recognise the underlying dependence on something that is proven to be highly inconsistent but has the uncanny resemblance of witchcraft.....
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