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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2023 22:48:14 GMT -5
“You and yours will get what’s coming “-Vinny. That’s a threat. You’re welcome to come to our home and confront us in person. We have nothing to hide and we are not upset. But I will warn you: We don’t call 911. Spot on peggy...
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 4, 2023 23:26:41 GMT -5
“You and yours will get what’s coming “-Vinny. That’s a threat. You’re welcome to come to our home and confront us in person. We have nothing to hide and we are not upset. But I will warn you: We don’t call 911. What are you talking about lady? The perpetrators and those covering for them will get what's coming to them because there is a major investigation going on. You must be in the truth, you're good at twisting words. Now what you said is a definite threat. Watch yourself lady. Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaa! Because you own a gun does not mean anything. You're cute to think that what you say will remotely intimidate me. Sheesh you people, really are a pathetic lot. I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION MR INTERNATIONALSTUDIES KEEPS ASKING. What proof do I have the Doyle never intended to come forward? My answer is June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, Febuary and March and NO ONE came forward. Or had the victims come forward, not even an anonymous tip. I don't think that "Mr InternationalStudies" is anything other than a glorified, full fledged wanna be intellectual who is knee deep in the Truth. He will do and say anything to protect the Truth and anyone who is NOT in the leadership. He could care less about the victims or their families or the wake of destruction these people have caused and continue to cause. Because he sure isn't looking to help the victims. His only goal is to get people focused on anything other than exposing sexual and financial crimes of those in the truth. My guess and it's just a guess is that he's an Overseer or someone who is a die hard truther. Probably been in it his whole life or a long time at least. I aim to help anyone I can escape these people.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 4, 2023 23:41:02 GMT -5
“You and yours will get what’s coming “-Vinny. That’s a threat. You’re welcome to come to our home and confront us in person. We have nothing to hide and we are not upset. But I will warn you: We don’t call 911. What are you talking about lady? The perpetrators and those covering for them will get what's coming to them because there is a major investigation going on. You must be in the truth, you're good at twisting words. Now what you said is a definite threat. Watch yourself lady. Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaa! Because you own a gun does not mean anything. You're cute to think that what you say will remotely intimidate me. Sheesh you people, really are a pathetic lot. I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION MR INTERNATIONALSTUDIES KEEPS ASKING. What proof do I have the Doyle never intended to come forward? My answer is June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, Febuary and March and NO ONE came forward. Or had the victims come forward, not even an anonymous tip. I don't think that "Mr InternationalStudies" is anything other than a glorified, full fledged wanna be intellectual who is knee deep in the Truth. He will do and say anything to protect the Truth and anyone who is NOT in the leadership. He could care less about the victims or their families or the wake of destruction these people have caused and continue to cause. Because he sure isn't looking to help the victims. His only goal is to get people focused on anything other than exposing sexual and financial crimes of those in the truth. My guess and it's just a guess is that he's an Overseer or someone who is a die hard truther. Probably been in it his whole life or a long time at least. I aim to help anyone I can escape these people. You made a threat. That’s not okay. I’m not intimidated by you.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 4, 2023 23:43:17 GMT -5
You can escape. Your choice. No one will stop you.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 4, 2023 23:46:10 GMT -5
“You and yours will get what’s coming “-Vinny. That’s a threat. You’re welcome to come to our home and confront us in person. We have nothing to hide and we are not upset. But I will warn you: We don’t call 911. What are you talking about lady? The perpetrators and those covering for them will get what's coming to them because there is a major investigation going on. You must be in the truth, you're good at twisting words. Now what you said is a definite threat. Watch yourself lady. Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaa! Because you own a gun does not mean anything. You're cute to think that what you say will remotely intimidate me. Sheesh you people, really are a pathetic lot. I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION MR INTERNATIONALSTUDIES KEEPS ASKING. What proof do I have the Doyle never intended to come forward? My answer is June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, Febuary and March and NO ONE came forward. Or had the victims come forward, not even an anonymous tip. I don't think that "Mr InternationalStudies" is anything other than a glorified, full fledged wanna be intellectual who is knee deep in the Truth. He will do and say anything to protect the Truth and anyone who is NOT in the leadership. He could care less about the victims or their families or the wake of destruction these people have caused and continue to cause. Because he sure isn't looking to help the victims. His only goal is to get people focused on anything other than exposing sexual and financial crimes of those in the truth. My guess and it's just a guess is that he's an Overseer or someone who is a die hard truther. Probably been in it his whole life or a long time at least. I aim to help anyone I can escape these people. This is an example of verbal abuse.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 4, 2023 23:56:11 GMT -5
What you have displayed here tonight Vinny is known as hate speech.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 5, 2023 0:14:45 GMT -5
What are you talking about lady? The perpetrators and those covering for them will get what's coming to them because there is a major investigation going on. You must be in the truth, you're good at twisting words. Now what you said is a definite threat. Watch yourself lady. Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaa! Because you own a gun does not mean anything. You're cute to think that what you say will remotely intimidate me. Sheesh you people, really are a pathetic lot. I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION MR INTERNATIONALSTUDIES KEEPS ASKING. What proof do I have the Doyle never intended to come forward? My answer is June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, Febuary and March and NO ONE came forward. Or had the victims come forward, not even an anonymous tip. I don't think that "Mr InternationalStudies" is anything other than a glorified, full fledged wanna be intellectual who is knee deep in the Truth. He will do and say anything to protect the Truth and anyone who is NOT in the leadership. He could care less about the victims or their families or the wake of destruction these people have caused and continue to cause. Because he sure isn't looking to help the victims. His only goal is to get people focused on anything other than exposing sexual and financial crimes of those in the truth. My guess and it's just a guess is that he's an Overseer or someone who is a die hard truther. Probably been in it his whole life or a long time at least. I aim to help anyone I can escape these people. You made a threat. That’s not okay. I’m not intimidated by you. Lady I didn't make a threat. You are twisting words for your own purpose. I could care less to intimidate you. I want to help people and see the ones that have done these horrible things arrested and brought to justice. Please dont speak to me again. I NEVER referred to you in anyway not threatened you in any way. But you have threatened me. Leave me alone.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 5, 2023 0:16:57 GMT -5
What you have displayed here tonight Vinny is known as hate speech. What I have experienced this entire time on this board is hate speech. You are a main perpetrator. You can tell you're in the truth.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 5, 2023 0:23:14 GMT -5
“You and yours will get what’s coming “-Vinny. That’s a threat. You’re welcome to come to our home and confront us in person. We have nothing to hide and we are not upset. But I will warn you: We don’t call 911. What are you talking about lady? The perpetrators and those covering for them will get what's coming to them because there is a major investigation going on. You must be in the truth, you're good at twisting words. Now what you said is a definite threat. Watch yourself lady. Bwahahahahaaaaaaaaa! Because you own a gun does not mean anything. You're cute to think that what you say will remotely intimidate me. Sheesh you people, really are a pathetic lot. I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION MR INTERNATIONALSTUDIES KEEPS ASKING. What proof do I have the Doyle never intended to come forward? My answer is June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, Febuary and March and NO ONE came forward. Or had the victims come forward, not even an anonymous tip. I don't think that "Mr InternationalStudies" is anything other than a glorified, full fledged wanna be intellectual who is knee deep in the Truth. He will do and say anything to protect the Truth and anyone who is NOT in the leadership. He could care less about the victims or their families or the wake of destruction these people have caused and continue to cause. Because he sure isn't looking to help the victims. His only goal is to get people focused on anything other than exposing sexual and financial crimes of those in the truth. My guess and it's just a guess is that he's an Overseer or someone who is a die hard truther. Probably been in it his whole life or a long time at least. I aim to help anyone I can escape these people. Vinny, You are digging yourself deeper into a hole of lack of credibility the more you post! 🤷♂️ Here are the questions again Vinny alleges: Doyle Smith is a bold faced liar, period. It's not open for discussion. He contradicts himself. We readers ask: List the lies he has said/written. List the contradictions he has made.Vinny has so far in all his posting not produced any evidence of one lie or contradiction that Doyle has made.🤷♂️ (to tell you the truth I wonder if Vinny has even read or understood what Doyle has stated? This post of Vinny's suggests that. ) Vinny alleges: He is covering.
We readers askState what he is covering. Vinny has so far in all his posting not produced any evidence of Doyle covering anything! 🤷♂️ Vinny alleges: It's absildisgisting and shows he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden because that's what him and all the rest do. We readers askGive your basis and proof of your statement "that he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden Vinny has so far in all his posting not produced any evidence/basis for his statement of Doyle not being transparent 🤷♂️Vinny your blustering, abuse and threats are 'water off a duck's back with me, I'm sorry! just 'shooting yourself in the foot'/damaging your own cause. 🤷♂️ 🤭
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 5, 2023 0:23:29 GMT -5
You made a threat. That’s not okay. I’m not intimidated by you. Lady I didn't make a threat. You are twisting words for your own purpose. I could care less to intimidate you. I want to help people and see the ones that have done these horrible things arrested and brought to justice. Please dont speak to me again. I NEVER referred to you in anyway not threatened you in any way. But you have threatened me. Leave me alone. I have not threatened you . You made a threat. That’s not okay. I will gladly leave you alone. You have displayed hate speech based on people’s religious beliefs. That’s not okay. I will block you.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 5, 2023 0:24:46 GMT -5
What you have displayed here tonight Vinny is known as hate speech. What I have experienced this entire time on this board is hate speech. You are a main perpetrator. You can tell you're in the truth. No I have not called people names like pathetic. That’s verbal abuse and it’s hateful.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 5, 2023 0:37:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction - did mean to say 'one of the most...' Yes - happy to settle for competing at a very high level! Let's go right back to the nameless church's name "the truth" when their version of the very foundation of the denomination was a lie. "........ There are ex members who have integrity (and some with sad unfortunate experiences in our church) They post helpfully. I appreciate them!
Then there is the small clique of poor souls (the acid in them harming themselves more than the workers and friends they pour it out on)who use TMB as a platform in their malignant campaign against the church......." 🤷♂️ 👍. 😀 You probably need to take on board that any program that names itself "the truth" that is on the other hand blatantly lying about their past, amongst other things, will not win any friends amongst folk that have a massive aversion to lies. Until you can assure many folk that you will stand on the platform at convention & explain the lie of your origins to all your followers around the world then the attitude of many is unlikely to change. Ironically it was "the truth" that made me a stickler for the truth, from both myself, and others, at whatever cost. Try owning it, what's the worst that could happen?
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 5, 2023 1:49:19 GMT -5
"........ There are ex members who have integrity (and some with sad unfortunate experiences in our church) They post helpfully. I appreciate them!
Then there is the small clique of poor souls (the acid in them harming themselves more than the workers and friends they pour it out on)who use TMB as a platform in their malignant campaign against the church......." 🤷♂️ 👍. 😀 You probably need to take on board that any program that names itself "the truth" that is on the other hand blatantly lying about their past, amongst other things, will not win any friends amongst folk that have a massive aversion to lies. Until you can assure many folk that you will stand on the platform at convention & explain the lie of your origins to all your followers around the world then the attitude of many is unlikely to change. Ironically it was "the truth" that made me a stickler for the truth, from both myself, and others, at whatever cost. Try owning it, what's the worst that could happen? Your experience, your posting! That's fine! Then there is the experience of people who have been searching for reality, God, Jesus, the meaning and purpose of life, have gone from church to church and been disappointed, then they find the ministry and church you despise and find, life, joy peace, Jesus in that.... their experience!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 5, 2023 2:33:16 GMT -5
You probably need to take on board that any program that names itself "the truth" that is on the other hand blatantly lying about their past, amongst other things, will not win any friends amongst folk that have a massive aversion to lies. Until you can assure many folk that you will stand on the platform at convention & explain the lie of your origins to all your followers around the world then the attitude of many is unlikely to change. Ironically it was "the truth" that made me a stickler for the truth, from both myself, and others, at whatever cost. Try owning it, what's the worst that could happen? Your experience, your posting! That's fine! Then there is the experience of people who have been searching for reality, God, Jesus, the meaning and purpose of life, have gone from church to church and been disappointed, then they find the ministry and church you despise and find, life, joy peace, Jesus in that.... their experience!
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internationalstudies, maybe we need to have a "review" of that ? Sure that may have been their experience years ago. But now I believe the amount that come to your church from "outside" is very few ! Once people realise all the "man-made rules" there are, the amount of CSA that has been covered up, the idea that "they are the only right church" etc, most would run a mile!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 5, 2023 3:01:41 GMT -5
Your experience, your posting! That's fine! Then there is the experience of people who have been searching for reality, God, Jesus, the meaning and purpose of life, have gone from church to church and been disappointed, then they find the ministry and church you despise and find, life, joy peace, Jesus in that.... their experience!
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internationalstudies, maybe we need to have a "review" of that ? Sure that may have been their experience years ago. But now I believe the amount that come to your church from "outside" is very few ! Once people realise all the "man-made rules" there are, the amount of CSA that has been covered up, the idea that "they are the only right church" etc, most would run a mile! It looks to be if you want a lot of sex then become a worker.
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Post by chuck on Apr 5, 2023 4:17:30 GMT -5
You probably need to take on board that any program that names itself "the truth" that is on the other hand blatantly lying about their past, amongst other things, will not win any friends amongst folk that have a massive aversion to lies. Until you can assure many folk that you will stand on the platform at convention & explain the lie of your origins to all your followers around the world then the attitude of many is unlikely to change. Ironically it was "the truth" that made me a stickler for the truth, from both myself, and others, at whatever cost. Try owning it, what's the worst that could happen? Your experience, your posting! That's fine! Then there is the experience of people who have been searching for reality, God, Jesus, the meaning and purpose of life, have gone from church to church and been disappointed, then they find the ministry and church you despise and find, life, joy peace, Jesus in that.... their experience!
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This smells awfully familiar. Exclusivity stinks and is sold by charlatans......
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 5, 2023 5:10:42 GMT -5
internationalstudies , maybe we need to have a "review" of that ? Sure that may have been their experience years ago. But now I believe the amount that come to your church from "outside" is very few ! Once people realise all the "man-made rules" there are, the amount of CSA that has been covered up, the idea that "they are the only right church" etc, most would run a mile! It looks to be if you want a lot of sex then become a worker. Seems kind of counter intuitive, but if I'd know that when I was young I would have been right on board.
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 5, 2023 5:13:37 GMT -5
You probably need to take on board that any program that names itself "the truth" that is on the other hand blatantly lying about their past, amongst other things, will not win any friends amongst folk that have a massive aversion to lies. Until you can assure many folk that you will stand on the platform at convention & explain the lie of your origins to all your followers around the world then the attitude of many is unlikely to change. Ironically it was "the truth" that made me a stickler for the truth, from both myself, and others, at whatever cost. Try owning it, what's the worst that could happen? Your experience, your posting! That's fine! Then there is the experience of people who have been searching for reality, God, Jesus, the meaning and purpose of life, have gone from church to church and been disappointed, then they find the ministry and church you despise and find, life, joy peace, Jesus in that.... their experience!
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So as long as people are happy with you fooling them into a false sense of security then that's fine? Interesting take on it. And in not despising it, I'm simply suggesting that you stand up and own your own bull$hit, that's all.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 5, 2023 5:39:41 GMT -5
2 hours ago Roselyn T said:..... 1 hours ago Chuck said.... 16 mins ago mrdobalina said.... apparently denying/choking on/unable to accept: ....the experience of people who have been searching for reality, God, Jesus, the meaning and purpose of life . These people tell the story.... of having gone from church to church and been disappointed. Then they find the ministry and church that Roselyn T, Chuck, mrdobalina etc etc despise and.... find, life, joy peace, Jesus...their experience! 🤷♂️
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 5, 2023 6:20:33 GMT -5
2 hours ago Roselyn T said:..... 1 hours ago Chuck said.... 16 mins ago mrdobalina said.... apparently denying/choking on/unable to accept: ....the experience of people who have been searching for reality, God, Jesus, the meaning and purpose of life . These people tell the story.... of having gone from church to church and been disappointed. Then they find the ministry and church that Roselyn T, Chuck, mrdobalina etc etc despise and.... find, life, joy peace, Jesus...their experience! 🤷♂️ Like I said we need to "review" that internationalstudies....I hope you aren't being dishonest and posting under another "handle" !!! Anyway when did all these people find this peace in your church ? Maybe they could share their wonderful experience?
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Post by Dan on Apr 5, 2023 7:29:53 GMT -5
OK, then let's not shut down a full & thorough investigation. Maybe authorities having a chat to an innocent worker could uncover a pedo companion that person had 20 years ago. I'm fully supportive of: 1. A full and thorough investigation into Dean Bruer's behaviour and all who can reasonably be suspected of being partners in crime. 2. As a result of lessons learned, the worldwide implementation of protocols so that all reasonable steps are taken to prevent a repeat of Dean Bruer's behaviour.
I suspect the investigation started and will end with Dean Bruer, unless others are implicated via information left on his laptop? But he was likely functioning as a lone wolf. I'm more interested in what steps can be taken to stop it from ever happening again. When a servant of God is molesting children, something terrible has gone awry.
I can't imagine how anyone who gave up everything for the gospel sake would have so little self-control. Child molestation is a sickness, sending someone who experiences such demented thoughts to a psychiatrist might prevent them from acting on that perversion. Its not a normal obsession, only a demon possessed person would have sexual impulses towards children. I can't fathom what causes that behavior, but its unnatural to lust after kids. Maybe DB just misinterpreted what Jesus meant when he said, "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me" (Matthew 19:14). DB should have made himself an eunuch (Matthew 19:12), entertaining such demented thoughts should encourage self-castration.. Radical but likely effective.
Just a side note, The "Truth' is not the name of the church, just a term of reference. Jesus said he was the 'Way' and the "Truth' (John 14:6), so when a person says they're in the Truth, they are inferring being in Christ.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 5, 2023 9:55:05 GMT -5
internationalstudies , maybe we need to have a "review" of that ? Sure that may have been their experience years ago. But now I believe the amount that come to your church from "outside" is very few ! Once people realise all the "man-made rules" there are, the amount of CSA that has been covered up, the idea that "they are the only right church" etc, most would run a mile! It looks to be if you want a lot of sex then become a worker. Exactly.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 5, 2023 10:41:57 GMT -5
I'm fully supportive of: 1. A full and thorough investigation into Dean Bruer's behaviour and all who can reasonably be suspected of being partners in crime. 2. As a result of lessons learned, the worldwide implementation of protocols so that all reasonable steps are taken to prevent a repeat of Dean Bruer's behaviour.
I suspect the investigation started and will end with Dean Bruer, unless others are implicated via information left on his laptop? But he was likely functioning as a lone wolf. I'm more interested in what steps can be taken to stop it from ever happening again. When a servant of God is molesting children, something terrible has gone awry.
I can't imagine how anyone who gave up everything for the gospel sake would have so little self-control. Child molestation is a sickness, sending someone who experiences such demented thoughts to a psychiatrist might prevent them from acting on that perversion. Its not a normal obsession, only a demon possessed person would have sexual impulses towards children. I can't fathom what causes that behavior, but its unnatural to lust after kids. Maybe DB just misinterpreted what Jesus meant when he said, "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me" (Matthew 19:14). DB should have made himself an eunuch (Matthew 19:12), entertaining such demented thoughts should encourage self-castration.. Radical but likely effective.
Just a side note, The "Truth' is not the name of the church, just a term of reference. Jesus said he was the 'Way' and the "Truth' (John 14:6), so when a person says they're in the Truth, they are inferring being in Christ.
The investigation was going long before Dean Bruer. That's why there was a private investigator who talked to Doyle Smith and convince him to turn in the laptop. There is a major investigation going on in Multiple States that's why another Overseer in a different state stepped down Mark Huddle. Now he's in hot water. It all stems from the laptop with the recent activity. It has filled in alot of holes and tells how this is far more than another isolated incident. When there are isolated incidents yet strung together through an organization who had the standard operating procedure to guilt and shame the victims into silence then move the perpetrator to another area. That makes the organization imolicent and cognizant of the goings on within their ranks. Not reporting a crime as serious as rape, child abuse then using "funds" to cover it up and move the perpetrator to a whole new area is a serious crime in and of itself. These people are going to be caught, prosecuted and punished.... Finally. Its gone on far too long. The truth is the cult has brainwashed most everyone. Takes a rare and strong person to escape. I'm proud I know one.
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Post by mountain on Apr 5, 2023 11:36:28 GMT -5
Vinz,
I'm sorry, but in the cage you must go to await sentence.
Without trial and with the dispensing of the suspect-accused-conviction procedure, which no longer apply, The self appointed TMB Judge (not me) has pronounced you guilty of:
1) Threatening behaviour.
2) Warning people in an aggressive manner,
3) Verbal abuse, and
4) Hate Speech.
That could all add up to quite a stretch away from TMB?
It is irrelevant that the investigation procedure and the due process of law has not been carried out. In the absence of suspicion we must move straight to conviction.
You are not permitted to say anything in answer to the charges in case you might repeat them.
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Post by mountain on Apr 5, 2023 11:53:45 GMT -5
It appears some are still having difficulty about me stating the whole of the ministry in the 2x2 sect is under suspicion following the unfolding of the early stages of the Bruer case. I find it difficult to understand how people cannot grasp the context of how this applies. Perhaps I have been inadequate in trying to get my point across, which in fairness was originally stated as a by the way remark in which no big deal was expected to be made of the issue. The Catholic Church has not had its troubles to seek with many cases of abuse committed by their workers (Priests) coming to the fore. These cases have at various times placed the whole Catholic Church priesthood under suspicion, something the CC has eventually faced up to. I do not wish to prevail with this part of the discussion. My off the cuff remark is what it is. There are many similarities between the Catholic Church cases and those within the 2x2 ministry, though things have to be appreciated in a relative manner, with the Catholic Church being many times larger than the 2x2 sect. Nevertheless, I encourage you to read the three links below and see if you agree that the same cloud of suspicion which overshadowed the Catholic Priesthood is /should be applied to the 2x2 ministry, at least pending the outcome of investigations? There are many similar links which you can search out for yourself. Hopefully this will show the context of suspicion that the ministry is, or should be under. international.la-croix.com/news/religion/pedo www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/to-save-the-church-dismantle-the-priesthood/588073/www.thefreelibrary.com/O%27Connor+says+sex+scandals+put+everyone+%27under+suspicion.%27+(John...-a013561406
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 13:49:52 GMT -5
It appears some are still having difficulty about me stating the whole of the ministry in the 2x2 sect is under suspicion following the unfolding of the early stages of the Bruer case. I find it difficult to understand how people cannot grasp the context of how this applies. Perhaps I have been inadequate in trying to get my point across, which in fairness was originally stated as a by the way remark in which no big deal was expected to be made of the issue. The Catholic Church has not had its troubles to seek with many cases of abuse committed by their workers (Priests) coming to the fore. These cases have at various times placed the whole Catholic Church priesthood under suspicion, something the CC has eventually faced up to. I do not wish to prevail with this part of the discussion. My off the cuff remark is what it is. There are many similarities between the Catholic Church cases and those within the 2x2 ministry, though things have to be appreciated in a relative manner, with the Catholic Church being many times larger than the 2x2 sect. Nevertheless, I encourage you to read the three links below and see if you agree that the same cloud of suspicion which overshadowed the Catholic Priesthood is not/should not be applied to the 2x2 ministry, at least pending the outcome of investigations? There are many similar links which you can search out for yourself. Hopefully this will show the context of suspicion that the ministry is, or should be under. international.la-croix.com/news/religion/pedo www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/to-save-the-church-dismantle-the-priesthood/588073/www.thefreelibrary.com/O%27Connor+says+sex+scandals+put+everyone+%27under+suspicion.%27+(John...-a0135614061st link? page not found...
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Post by mountain on Apr 5, 2023 13:53:05 GMT -5
It appears some are still having difficulty about me stating the whole of the ministry in the 2x2 sect is under suspicion following the unfolding of the early stages of the Bruer case. I find it difficult to understand how people cannot grasp the context of how this applies. Perhaps I have been inadequate in trying to get my point across, which in fairness was originally stated as a by the way remark in which no big deal was expected to be made of the issue. The Catholic Church has not had its troubles to seek with many cases of abuse committed by their workers (Priests) coming to the fore. These cases have at various times placed the whole Catholic Church priesthood under suspicion, something the CC has eventually faced up to. I do not wish to prevail with this part of the discussion. My off the cuff remark is what it is. There are many similarities between the Catholic Church cases and those within the 2x2 ministry, though things have to be appreciated in a relative manner, with the Catholic Church being many times larger than the 2x2 sect. Nevertheless, I encourage you to read the three links below and see if you agree that the same cloud of suspicion which overshadowed the Catholic Priesthood is/should be applied to the 2x2 ministry, at least pending the outcome of investigations? There are many similar links which you can search out for yourself. Hopefully this will show the context of suspicion that the ministry is, or should be under. international.la-croix.com/news/religion/pedo www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/to-save-the-church-dismantle-the-priesthood/588073/www.thefreelibrary.com/O%27Connor+says+sex+scandals+put+everyone+%27under+suspicion.%27+(John...-a0135614061st link? page not found... You're right Wally. I can't get it now. It was about Catholic Pedo Priests and how the whole priesthood were under suspicion. I wonder if the subject matter has made it unobtainable? Try again? international.la-croix.com/news/religion/pedophilia-priests-under-suspicion/4109
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Post by SharonArnold on Apr 5, 2023 14:56:57 GMT -5
Well this thread is beyond ridiculous at this point. I'm reminded why I hadn't been on here in 8 years. I think most people realize or believe there's going to be more investigation, further workers exposed, etc. But Vinny initially presented himself as some semblance neutral authority with inside information, and now it kinda seems like he only knows what everyone else knows when we know it and the true interest is in piling on and disparaging everyone ever involved in the group. Personally I am very interested to see what comes from the Cynthia Liles investigation, and other actual law enforcement types. Likely to get a bit ugly for the workers, but it will be good to hear it from the horse's mouth instead of some angry anonymous guy on a message board. And it goes both ways. At some point people in the group need to just ignore the dude and let things play out. Yeah. In the end, it works out to "Do you want to solve a problem?" or "Do you want to throw a grenade?" There is something in me (and all of us) that wants to throw a grenade. It's kind of more fun. I not only recognize that in myself, I own it. A little over a month ago, there was this line in a post on another thread (Did the author know all of this was coming?): Let's all stand up for the protection and safety of children everywhere, and never weaponize it to other ends. I think we have seen quite a bit of weaponization here, from different sides. (My God, my head is still spinning from the crossfire.) The question would be "Are we all adult enough to simply look after little kids?" I am betting we are not. But please surprise me.
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