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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 4, 2023 17:34:28 GMT -5
But just for the record, pragmatic, I don’t pontificate. You can speak for yourself. And have you personally done anything as a person in the west to help those people over there? Yes? Very good. Many Americans are very generous with others in foreign lands nor do they pontificate. "Us in the west" is exactly that, nothing to do with people on this forum.
Part of what I do for living is identifying these perpetrators and working with the authorities to bring them to justice. There are a lot of people that pontificate about criminal activity, but are often too afraid to face reality head on and take appropriate action, for a number of reasons. My comment has nothing to do with the generosity of American people. But they are no better or worse than other people around the world. We just all have our own cultures, and are all generous to those in foreign lands.
And do hang around, your input is valuable
I was talking with a leading pediatrician one time about child abuse. I won’t forget what he said. He said some of the people that pontificate about it the most are actually abusers themselves. Things are not always what they appear to be.
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Post by Grant on Apr 4, 2023 17:35:24 GMT -5
If there was a rape or murder in a bar then everyone would be treated as suspects to determine if the person was acting alone or others were involved. True. But it's a stretch to conclude that every worker on the planet should be treated as a suspect and questioned as such. Fury and vitriol against workers because they are workers is counter-productive. As I said, I'm 100% supportive of protocols to protect children. I don't advocate or believe every worker should be a suspect but do believe changes should be world wide. Dean traveled around the world on behalf of the church making it more than just a local concern.
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Post by mountain on Apr 4, 2023 17:39:21 GMT -5
Sorry Snow but you are mistaken about my position. I am making comments from training and 30 years experience in the field of criminal investigations. It is not about trust or here we go again. It is about a professional approach using standard investigative procedures in order to arrive at the truth of the matter, taking care not to overlook important lines of enquiry. Regarding the risk from CSA etc, yes education and awareness can be a big help in combatting this but it is nowhere adequate enough if a young girl is faced with a fearsome brute of a man (nice, plausible, kindly guys can turn out this way). What is needed are procedures that limit opportunities for temptation to take root. I have gone over some of these before. Thank you Mountain. Obviously the law and investigations are not about trust. The law is there to protect us from civil and criminal wrongs. Proper investigations seek to establish the truth of a matter. Sadly the law is less interested in immoral behaviour which is not deemed criminal.
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Post by mountain on Apr 4, 2023 17:53:12 GMT -5
Everyone is drug tested in certain situations such as some job applications because of the actions of a few. Cars are stopped at random and drivers tested for substance use because of the actions of a few. Protocols are put in place to protect children because of the actions of a few. Some places are shut down while an investigation takes place. That's all true. I'm 100% supportive of protocols to protect children. But the police don't treat as suspects and question everyone who leaves every bar - on the grounds that people who've been drinking alcohol commit rape and murder.[/b] If a serious incident occurred in a bar, such as rape, murder or serious assault, etc., the police would stop everyone from leaving the bar, establish each persons identity and question them with regards to the incident to see what they witnessed or what their involvement was. In these circumstances everyone begins as a suspect until enquiries start to establish what exactly happened. Please try and see the context of how and why things are done the way they are.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Apr 4, 2023 18:17:09 GMT -5
Yes, there is hypocrisy. I accept that. But the most hypocritical religious group on earth? That's a stretch. Does it really matter wether they win the hypocrisy race or simply compete at a very high level? "Hey, it's OK, there's a group that's slightly worse than us, as you were" Thanks for the correction - did mean to say 'one of the most...' Yes - happy to settle for competing at a very high level! Let's go right back to the nameless church's name "the truth" when their version of the very foundation of the denomination was a lie.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 4, 2023 18:20:42 GMT -5
Does it really matter wether they win the hypocrisy race or simply compete at a very high level? "Hey, it's OK, there's a group that's slightly worse than us, as you were" Thanks for the correction - did mean to say 'one of the most...' Yes - happy to settle for competing at a very high level! Let's go right back to the nameless church's name "the truth" when their version of the very foundation of the denomination was a lie. "........ There are ex members who have integrity (and some with sad unfortunate experiences in our church) They post helpfully. I appreciate them!
Then there is the small clique of poor souls (the acid in them harming themselves more than the workers and friends they pour it out on)who use TMB as a platform in their malignant campaign against the church......." 🤷♂️ 👍. 😀
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Post by mountain on Apr 4, 2023 18:25:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction - did mean to say 'one of the most...' Yes - happy to settle for competing at a very high level! Let's go right back to the nameless church's name "the truth" when their version of the very foundation of the denomination was a lie. "........ Then there is the small clique of poor souls (the acid in them harming themselves more than the workers and friends they pour it out on)who use TMB as a platform in their malignant campaign against the church......." 🤷♂️ 👍. 😀 What's this about a 'small clique of poor souls?' I thought I was the only one? Goodness me, I hope you are not trying to make out there are others like me?
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 4, 2023 18:29:45 GMT -5
"........ Then there is the small clique of poor souls (the acid in them harming themselves more than the workers and friends they pour it out on)who use TMB as a platform in their malignant campaign against the church......." 🤷♂️ 👍. 😀 What's this about a 'small clique of poor souls?' I thought I was the only one? Goodness me, I hope you are not trying to make out there are others like me? Actually Mountain, want to know the truth? I don't you consider one of that small clique. I might not agree with everything you post, there are things I agree with you on! I see in you decency, honesty and integrity...not that sad numbing malignancy I refer to! So howzat?! 😳 😀 👍
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Post by mountain on Apr 4, 2023 18:33:30 GMT -5
What's this about a 'small clique of poor souls?' I thought I was the only one? Goodness me, I hope you are not trying to make out there are others like me? Actually Mountain, want to know the truth? I don't consider one of that small clique. I might not agree with everything you post, there are things I agree with you on! I see integrity and not evidence of the malignancy I refer to! So howzat?! 😳. 😀. 👍 I'm disappointed. You obviously have your favourites. To have excluded me from the small group, when I should have been considered the main miscreant, is way below the belt. Obviously this is one of the things that you don't agree with me on? I am very offended!
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 4, 2023 18:34:43 GMT -5
Actually Mountain, want to know the truth? I don't consider one of that small clique. I might not agree with everything you post, there are things I agree with you on! I see integrity and not evidence of the malignancy I refer to! So howzat?! 😳. 😀. 👍 I'm disappointed. You obviously have your favourites. To have excluded me from the small group, when I should have been considered the main miscreant, is way below the belt. Obviously this is one of the things that you don't agree with me on? I am very offended! 🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍 'Butter doesn't melt in your mouth' compared with the malignant sad clique! 🤭
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Post by fixit on Apr 4, 2023 18:52:38 GMT -5
There is way too much Anti-American sentiment here for my liking. [ I am not talking about everyone here. ] I have a lot of respect for America and Americans, even though I'm disgusted with Trump and his sycophants. Trumpism will pass and hopefully the nation will shake off the damage and move on. That's enough on this thread about Trumpism though - we don't want to pollute this important thread.
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Post by mountain on Apr 4, 2023 18:56:42 GMT -5
I'm disappointed. You obviously have your favourites. To have excluded me from the small group, when I should have been considered the main miscreant, is way below the belt. Obviously this is one of the things that you don't agree with me on? I am very offended! 🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍 'Butter doesn't melt in your mouth' compared with the malignant sad clique! 🤭 You are being very hurtful. I demand to be counted in with the few.
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Post by fixit on Apr 4, 2023 19:01:09 GMT -5
Does it really matter wether they win the hypocrisy race or simply compete at a very high level? "Hey, it's OK, there's a group that's slightly worse than us, as you were" Thanks for the correction - did mean to say 'one of the most...' Yes - happy to settle for competing at a very high level! Let's go right back to the nameless church's name "the truth" when their version of the very foundation of the denomination was a lie. Funny thing is, while I don't refer to the group as "the truth" there are a lot of exes who do. I'm not convinced that the foundation was a lie, at least before the parting of ways with John Long and the living witness doctrine took hold.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 4, 2023 19:04:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction - did mean to say 'one of the most...' Yes - happy to settle for competing at a very high level! Let's go right back to the nameless church's name "the truth" when their version of the very foundation of the denomination was a lie. Funny thing is, while I don't refer to the group as "the truth" there are a lot of exes who do. I'm not convinced that the foundation was a lie, at least before the parting of ways with John Long and the living witness doctrine took hold. My opinion is that the faith mission was on the right track if one believed in a christian god. However Irvine wanted the action for himself. Just follow the money.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Apr 4, 2023 19:16:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction - did mean to say 'one of the most...' Yes - happy to settle for competing at a very high level! Let's go right back to the nameless church's name "the truth" when their version of the very foundation of the denomination was a lie. Funny thing is, while I don't refer to the group as "the truth" there are a lot of exes who do. I'm not convinced that the foundation was a lie, at least before the parting of ways with John Long and the living witness doctrine took hold. Agreed - I think the originals meant well. Which is why I was careful to say " their version of the very foundation..." There was a concerted coverup to create a new version of the foundation when Irvine was expelled.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Apr 4, 2023 19:36:06 GMT -5
Funny thing is, while I don't refer to the group as "the truth" there are a lot of exes who do. I'm not convinced that the foundation was a lie, at least before the parting of ways with John Long and the living witness doctrine took hold. My opinion is that the faith mission was on the right track if one believed in a christian god. However Irvine wanted the action for himself. Just follow the money. Yes, why desert the faith mission which was doing a good job? The evidence shows he did want the followers for himself. However, I don't believe his motivation was money. It was religious fervour and grandiose ideas about himself as some form of prophet. The money stockpiling sort of evolved over time, and I don't believe he personally received any great monetary benefit.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 4, 2023 20:59:41 GMT -5
The allegation against Mark Huddle in and of itself doesn't give much to go on. The fact he has "stepped back" and encouraged it to be shared openly by the other brothers tells me he doesn't have anything to hide. I think it's important to be careful about turning this whole thing into a witch hunt. Anytime correction is needed in any situation, it's important to be careful about how it is done and not go overboard. That doesn't mean you are in any way MINIMIZING the abuse that you DO have knowledge of or ignoring it. From what I can tell, Doyle Smith took good counsel before writing the letters and consulted with a professional counselor before he released the information to the group. And I support that. Victims do not always want things shared with others; would rather keep it confidential. That is their decision and needs to be respected. It depends on how their therapy is going and whether or not they are ready for that step. If that step is taken too soon it can be traumatizing to them. Depending on how their therapy is going, taking that step of disclosure can progress healing and bring a little closure and justice for them. They may help others and if they can help others that can help them. Contrary to what some have said, I do believe there can be HEALING for victims. They will never forget the abuse. But they can heal. And, they can even forgive their abuser. Vinny said another overseer has stepped down. That is simply not accurate. I also got the impression Vinny was the private investigator. I guess he is not. He does seem to be quite emotionally invested in all this. But it's really not helpful to spew such negative things about Doyle Smith like that. Most on here don't know Doyle. Perhaps Vinny does. I don't know. It's concerning and it's sad. But, in all the letters I have knowledge of the workers made it very plain they encouraged anyone to talk to them about it. That's a good thing. If anyone is having a hard time processing this thing, I do hope they get their needs addressed and have a resoul The last person an abused church member should talk to is a worker. They have shown they cannot be trusted. Some of them indulge in criminal behaviour. It is the police the abused should go to. * * * Another overseer has stepped down, that is simply ahhh......True. That bit in the rear end didn't it? Mark Huddle has stepped down. This is another thing I said days ago that has came to pass. I do not know these people I only know what I was told. People don't step down who are innocent. The truth of the matter is regardless if you people like me or hate me what I've said has happened, period. All you people quoting me and trying to break down and tear apart the things I say are making yourselves look foolish. Time is on my side because I will give names and case numbers once people are "charged". There will be more happening because this is a huge case. Downplay things all you want. The truth about the Truth is there is very little truth in it. These recent sexual abuse and financial crimes are not isolated incidents. They are far reaching, widespread, commonplace and ever present. Please quote me and tear apart what I say because you will remember the things I have said will come back and make you think and goes to show the level of control and indoctrination that has affected many of you. STOP making excuses for these pedophiles, money launders and sexual deviants. The list WILL grow and this is far from over, more will happen and is happening behind the scenes as there are many being investigated. As time goes on you will see the truth about what I've said. What does it say about those of you who keep trying so hard to defend these people? The Truth is rife with the sexual abuse of people. I've heard very little about what the victims may be going through. I have heard you defend the Truth no matter what. There is a standard procedure to make people NOT report things and shame them and guilt them into silence when they do for the fear of being worldly. Then instead of report the perpetrator the Truth leadership always just moves them to commit more crimes and rack up more victims. They are complicent in countless more victims for decades with the complete lack of transparency. The little phrases that are thrown around is simple and effective manipulation of thoughts and behaviors of the victims. Meanwhile the perpetrators are shipped away to a fresh batch of victims in another area whenever a victim does report them INSTEAD of going to the police. But no don't do that because that's "worldly", no it's not, allowing it is disgusting. How many more people were abused because of that? You people are literally paying for the workers very existence with your donations when you KNOW what really happens. That makes each and every one of you complicent with your silence and acceptance. How these letters are written is straight MK Ultra level mind control and manipulation. Something one hopes to never experience. The entire framework of how the Truth is set up is self preservation through manipulation of its members. I'd say that the majority of the people in the Truth are good people being controlled by those that for the most part are not good people. That's the reason many areas of the Bible are not studied in the truth. Mainly the passages and phrases that they can twisted in ways that suit them and allow them to continue. I feel horribly for all those that have been abused and I have came in here in hopes of helping just one of them to truly step out into the light and report these people. I wish each and every one can recover as best they can. My heart goes out to each of them and their families. I pray that they can somehow, some way find a semblance of peace and healing. I'm not on here for you people who defend the Truth. For if you do try to defend them and never even think about the victims you are gone, lost to a way of living that is akin to straight up mind control. I'm here for those that are silent that have been abused and to hopefully give them solice that there are good people working hard for them for justice. I'm here to give the victims hope....
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 4, 2023 21:08:52 GMT -5
The last person an abused church member should talk to is a worker. They have shown they cannot be trusted. Some of them indulge in criminal behaviour. It is the police the abused should go to. * * * Another overseer has stepped down, that is simply ahhh......True. That bit in the rear end didn't it? Mark Huddle has stepped down. This is another thing I said days ago that has came to pass. I do not know these people I only know what I was told. People don't step down who are innocent. The truth of the matter is regardless if you people like me or hate me what I've said has happened, period. All you people quoting me and trying to break down and tear apart the things I say are making yourselves look foolish. Time is on my side because I will give names and case numbers once people are "charged". There will be more happening because this is a huge case. Downplay things all you want. The truth about the Truth is there is very little truth in it. These recent sexual abuse and financial crimes are not isolated incidents. They are far reaching, widespread, commonplace and ever present. Please quote me and tear apart what I say because you will remember the things I have said will come back and make you think and goes to show the level of control and indoctrination that has affected many of you. STOP making excuses for these pedophiles, money launders and sexual deviants. The list WILL grow and this is far from over, more will happen and is happening behind the scenes as there are many being investigated. As time goes on you will see the truth about what I've said. What does it say about those of you who keep trying so hard to defend these people? The Truth is rife with the sexual abuse of people. I've heard very little about what the victims may be going through. I have heard you defend the Truth no matter what. There is a standard procedure to make people NOT report things and shame them and guilt them into silence when they do for the fear of being worldly. Then instead of report the perpetrator the Truth leadership always just moves them to commit more crimes and rack up more victims. They are complicent in countless more victims for decades with the complete lack of transparency. The little phrases that are thrown around is simple and effective manipulation of thoughts and behaviors of the victims. Meanwhile the perpetrators are shipped away to a fresh batch of victims in another area whenever a victim does report them INSTEAD of going to the police. But no don't do that because that's "worldly", no it's not, allowing it is disgusting. How many more people were abused because of that? You people are literally paying for the workers very existence with your donations when you KNOW what really happens. That makes each and every one of you complicent with your silence and acceptance. How these letters are written is straight MK Ultra level mind control and manipulation. Something one hopes to never experience. The entire framework of how the Truth is set up is self preservation through manipulation of its members. I'd say that the majority of the people in the Truth are good people being controlled by those that for the most part are not good people. That's the reason many areas of the Bible are not studied in the truth. Mainly the passages and phrases that they can twisted in ways that suit them and allow them to continue. I feel horribly for all those that have been abused and I have came in here in hopes of helping just one of them to truly step out into the light and report these people. I wish each and every one can recover as best they can. My heart goes out to each of them and their families. I pray that they can somehow, some way find a semblance of peace and healing. I'm not on here for you people who defend the Truth. For if you do try to defend them and never even think about the victims you are gone, lost to a way of living that is akin to straight up mind control. I'm here for those that are silent that have been abused and to hopefully give them solice that there are good people working hard for them for justice. I'm here to give the victims hope.... Feel better? Finished? Buh bye 👋
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 4, 2023 21:11:36 GMT -5
Good to see you back Vinny! Vinny posts: They know of at least 3 children he molested/raped
Doyle writes in his statement: Sadly, it has come to light just this month that 3 known victims were minors when he abused them in years past.
Vinny posts: * They knew of 2 victims of Dean Bruer since LAST SEPTEMBER yet they did NOT come forward til now.
Doyle writes in his statement: Our disclosure timing was thus victim-sensitive and victim-led, respecting the fact our known victims were in a “process to uncover.” It was very clear, to counsellors and to us, the victims would have been very traumatized by an earlier disclosure. Just prior to sending out our letter last week, the victims did agree to disclosure, but with considerable trepidation.
Vinny posts: The wording of Doyle's last letter is deceptive but very incriminating if you break down the sentence structure and syntax. His positive and transparent spin is complete bullsh-. If the church was actually transparent they would have came forward in September of last year when they found out. Coming forward AFTER you meet with a private detective in a Shari's for 3.5 hours theeeen coming forward is in no way being transparent. These disgusting people hid it until they couldn't hide it. Then ONLY came forward when they had no choice. I personally have spoken to someone who is high up and not involved with the investigation but found out for me.
Doyle writes in his statement: Contrary to internet speculation the disclosure was not forced by legal authorities nor anyone else. We didn't have any conversation of this kind with a legal authority or anyone else. The disclosure was 100% voluntary, a serious attempt to be transparent about what happened for the sake of all victims. We understand under such egregious circumstances, the reality is that there could be more victims. We would never consider covering up something like this at the expense of leaving known and unknown victims lost in their very difficult circumstance, desperately needing help.
Vinny posts: - Doyle Smith has came out and said more statements stating he knew for almost a year that Bruer molested people including children.
Doyle writes in his statement: The only incriminating evidence we ever discovered was email between him and one adult victim. Dean's computer is now in the hands of the police, and forensics would be able to detect if and when any alterations were made (we did not alter anything). In late September the second adult victim surfaced, and no other victims were confirmed until just before our disclosure letter went out last week (March 23).Since the perpetrator is deceased, we were advised by a professional trauma counsellor to be careful first of all for the needs of the victims. Obviously, no one else is more important in all of this than the victims. Mandatory reporters are required to immediately report sexual abuse that involves minors but must respect the wishes of abuse victims who are now adults with regards to when and if their abuse is reported. We have no known victims that are presently minors.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 4, 2023 21:16:52 GMT -5
Vinny how about a response to the questions asked of you? Vinny alleges: Doyle Smith is a bold faced liar, period. It's not open for discussion. He contradicts himself. We readers ask:List the lies he has said/written. List the contradictions he has made. Vinny alleges: He is covering. We readers ask
State what he is covering. Vinny alleges: It's absildisgisting and shows he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden because that's what him and all the rest do. We readers askGive your basis and proof of your statement "that he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden Answer these and then we'll have some more questions for you about your latest post!
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 4, 2023 21:32:09 GMT -5
Vinny how about a response to the questions asked of you? Vinny alleges: Doyle Smith is a bold faced liar, period. It's not open for discussion. He contradicts himself. We readers ask:List the lies he has said/written. List the contradictions he has made. Vinny alleges: He is covering. We readers ask
State what he is covering. Vinny alleges: It's absildisgisting and shows he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden because that's what him and all the rest do. We readers askGive your basis and proof of your statement "that he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden Answer these and then we'll have some more questions for you about your latest post! * * * I have zero interest in arguing with you there dude. Your opinion is irrelevant because as time goes on the more I'm proven right and you are proven a fool OR in the Truth trying as hard as you can to continue to cover for the guilty parties, silence the victims & continue on with the indoctrination. Have a nice day kid, it's been enlightening. You people are quite sad and part of the problem. I've answered your questions and been right about everything I said. Time ison my side and against you because I speak the truth and not try to cover it up. Bye Felicia
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 4, 2023 21:41:17 GMT -5
Thanks Vinny! You have made yourself clear.
As expected you have no answers to the questions asked of the baseless emotional statements you make!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 4, 2023 21:47:16 GMT -5
Thanks Vinny! You have made yourself clear. As expected you have no answers to the questions asked of the baseless emotional statements you make! How odd of you to mention emotion. Religion is based on emotions rather than facts so you ought to be well used to them by now.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 4, 2023 22:01:06 GMT -5
Vinny how about a response to the questions asked of you? Vinny alleges: Doyle Smith is a bold faced liar, period. It's not open for discussion. He contradicts himself. We readers ask:List the lies he has said/written. List the contradictions he has made. Vinny alleges: He is covering. We readers ask
State what he is covering. Vinny alleges: It's absildisgisting and shows he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden because that's what him and all the rest do. We readers askGive your basis and proof of your statement "that he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden Answer these and then we'll have some more questions for you about your latest post! * * * I have zero interest in arguing with you there dude. Your opinion is irrelevant because as time goes on the more I'm proven right and you are proven a fool OR in the Truth trying as hard as you can to continue to cover for the guilty parties, silence the victims & continue on with the indoctrination. Have a nice day kid, it's been enlightening. You people are quite sad and part of the problem. I've answered your questions and been right about everything I said. Time ison my side and against you because I speak the truth and not try to cover it up. Bye Felicia [ Relax. You’re not a suspect. It’s going to be okay 👍🏼 now if you were a worker, you would be a suspect under the new investigation protocols. But you’re not. So, no problem.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 4, 2023 22:11:02 GMT -5
Thanks Vinny! You have made yourself clear. As expected you have no answers to the questions asked of the baseless emotional statements you make! * * * Not baseless and I've answered you. If you can't understand Doyle then you can keep covering up for your guilty brethren. I'm not the one who's emotional there Doyle. I'm not the one who's covering for the "friends" in the friends, that's you. Hope you feel good about yourself. I feel fine, obviously you really don't like it. Make all kinds of things bold, highlight them and quote me all day long. What you CAN'T do is negate what I've said because I was right. You just don't like people speaking the truth. How could you because you're in the Truth. So the last thing you want is the truth coming out. Doyle you can shift focus away from the facts as much as you want. Not doing a good job, but keep trying. What about the victims? Are they all lying? What about their lives that have been forever altered? Every decision the victims make is changed forever because of the horrible things done to them. The children are never going to be the same yet you focus on trying to pick apart what I say because YOU don't like it. Well too bad Doyle, the people that are the perpetrators will get what's coming as will those that are covering for them. They will be tried and convicted. There are many people investigating this and those that have done these crimes will be brought to justice.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 4, 2023 22:12:25 GMT -5
Thanks Vinny! You have made yourself clear. As expected you have no answers to the questions asked of the baseless emotional statements you make! How odd of you to mention emotion. Religion is based on emotions rather than facts so you ought to be well used to them by now. It’s not odd at all, really.
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 4, 2023 22:14:36 GMT -5
Thanks Vinny! You have made yourself clear. As expected you have no answers to the questions asked of the baseless emotional statements you make! * * * Not baseless and I've answered you. If you can't understand Doyle then you can keep covering up for your guilty brethren. I'm not the one who's emotional there Doyle. I'm not the one who's covering for the "friends" in the friends, that's you. Hope you feel good about yourself. I feel fine, obviously you really don't like it. Make all kinds of things bold, highlight them and quote me all day long. What you CAN'T do is negate what I've said because I was right. You just don't like people speaking the truth. How could you because you're in the Truth. So the last thing you want is the truth coming out. Doyle you can shift focus away from the facts as much as you want. Not doing a good job, but keep trying. What about the victims? Are they all lying? What about their lives that have been forever altered? Every decision the victims make is changed forever because of the horrible things done to them. The children are never going to be the same yet you focus on trying to pick apart what I say because YOU don't like it. Well too bad Doyle, you and yours will get what's coming. Am I to understand you are speaking with Doyle? Interesting….
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 4, 2023 22:27:03 GMT -5
Vinny - You say you have that you have not been part of "The Truth", yet you claim that scripture is twisted and parts of the bible are ignored. How could you possible know that if you have never attended?
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