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Post by chuck on Apr 1, 2023 18:47:37 GMT -5
Yep no problem. "Our purpose as Christians and as messengers sent with the gospel, is to manifest our belief by our life and behavior among all people." Would it be fair to say Lyle's belief is "Jesus died to pay for his/our sin's"? My question is how do you manifest that belief?, well we know how Lyle manifests that belief, he goes around telling people that Jesus died to pay for their sins and in return they must behave a certain way to manifest their beliefs, part of that behaviour involves practising rituals and keeping traditions. This is a transaction. Jesus did x, so we must do y in order to receive x. If you know anything about Yom Kippur you know this transaction theory was not something that Jesus would have taught or told people to spread as good news. It's the antithesis of Yom Kippur and the Jewish philosophy. The reason I say it was also not the philosophy of 1st century people is it seems the wording in the original greek could be translated "Jesus died because of our sins", and to add to that in the first 1000 years of Christianity was the payment theory core to Christianity?. The Christ character most definitely dies because of our sins, Jesus dying to pay for our sins was popularised by Anselm according to Marcus Borg. I haven't found anything yet to counter his argument. I know fundementlists at this point would just quote "The Bible" or "the bible says" but if your presupposition is incorrect quoting the bible is worthless. marcusjborg.org/posts-by-marcus/lent-and-the-cross/Jesus died because of peoples sins. The Christ character cannot be buried, it rises again. This was told in various ways by various authors in their own particular way. To me it's a pity the wrong parts have been literalised through ignorance of the relevant cultures and their methods of passing things on and also their superstition because they didn't have the luxury knowing what we have learnt in the last 2000+ years. Hope this makes it clearer??. So you believe in predestination? No, but give me your defenition of predestination?. And I would be curious what made you think that?.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 1, 2023 18:51:45 GMT -5
The worker’s need to have a zoom meeting and get all the information out as a group . I am certain that Doyle S will be charged ! Possibly with many more being halled into court . In one way or another , anyone who sat on this information needs to be held accountable . Bottom line is that we are no closer with the letters that don’t match up !!! Get your poop 💩 in a group ! Some are focused on the USA I am not we are focused on his time in Canada 🇨🇦 As we should be . I am not sure if the FBI is on focused on this to be truthful . Jus sayin Again this sad , vile , disgusting 🤢 thing is on CPIC , which is Canada wide . I have spoken with family and we are truly sorry this has happened yet again .
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 1, 2023 19:08:36 GMT -5
In America, if you are experiencing a mental health crisis or are suicidal you can dial 988 or text it. It's a hotline and someone will answer right away that you can talk to.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 1, 2023 19:18:24 GMT -5
Thx Peggy In Alberta you can call 211 , 311 , 811 or 911 !
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 1, 2023 20:11:01 GMT -5
vinny We agree on this : "Right is right and wrong is wrong."
I have zero tolerance for other than integrity and transparency in the aftermath of this sordid matter. I'm seeing evidence of that in the two statements that Doyle Smith has made.
I see emotion, opinion and unsubstantiated statements in your posts. FACTS! verifiable and true! that's what means something and carries weight! God bless you and you too have a good day. p.s you will get a public apology and retraction from me if/when you present FACTS! verifiable and true! * * * Not sure why in God's green Earth you find anything remotely similar to the truth from "Doyle Smith". Now I know why regardless of WHEN I post the case numbers which I can't yet and that is THE ONLY THING THAT YOU TYPE OF. PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE AND THEN YOU WILL FIND FAULT EVEN THEN I will say what I can when I can that doesn't undermine the integrity of the multiple investigations that are ongoing. The likes of you who belive the MANY contradicting statements of "Doyle Smith" and the many worker letters that have came out is simply amazing. Doyle Smith is a bold faced liar, period. It's not open for discussion. He contradicts himself, as well as do the workers letters. All of what they say cannot possibly be true. He is covering. It is really sad to see you believe the likes of DOYLE Smith who "in his own words" K N E W of victims that came forth as well as underage victims yet DID NOT COME FORWARD UUUUUUUNTIL a private investigator came and met with him. It's absildisgisting and shows he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden because that's what him and all the rest do. They don't do the right thing unless their hand is forced. Your opinion is completely irrelevant ad to the facts at hand. He did NOT come forward until he had to, if he was going to he would have in the months prior. So please stop with your useless pandering, condoning and support of "The Truth" which is far far from being anything similar to the truth. Vinny, I am sad. I appreciated your first post. But every post you make since then reduces my confidence in what you post. Your statements, for example: "Not sure why in God's green Earth you find anything remotely similar to the truth from "Doyle Smith". " "Doyle Smith is a bold faced liar, period. It's not open for discussion. He contradicts himself, as well as do the workers letters. All of what they say cannot possibly be true. He is covering."
"It's absildisgisting and shows he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden because that's what him and all the rest do."
"They don't do the right thing unless their hand is forced."
Angry emotional opinion-based statements not fact based rational statements. I have zero tolerance for other than integrity and transparency in the aftermath of this sordid matter. I'm seeing verifiable facts in the two statements that Doyle Smith has made. You have not done this ..... so far. God bless you and you have a good day.
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vinny We agree on this : "Right is right and wrong is wrong."
I have zero tolerance for other than integrity and transparency in the aftermath of this sordid matter. I'm seeing evidence of that in the two statements that Doyle Smith has made.
I see emotion, opinion and unsubstantiated statements in your posts. FACTS! verifiable and true! that's what means something and carries weight! God bless you and you too have a good day. p.s you will get a public apology and retraction from me if/when you present FACTS! verifiable and true! * * * Not sure why in God's green Earth you find anything remotely similar to the truth from "Doyle Smith". Now I know why regardless of WHEN I post the case numbers which I can't yet and that is THE ONLY THING THAT YOU TYPE OF. PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE AND THEN YOU WILL FIND FAULT EVEN THEN I will say what I can when I can that doesn't undermine the integrity of the multiple investigations that are ongoing. The likes of you who belive the MANY contradicting statements of "Doyle Smith" and the many worker letters that have came out is simply amazing. Doyle Smith is a bold faced liar, period. It's not open for discussion. He contradicts himself, as well as do the workers letters. All of what they say cannot possibly be true. He is covering. It is really sad to see you believe the likes of DOYLE Smith who "in his own words" K N E W of victims that came forth as well as underage victims yet DID NOT COME FORWARD UUUUUUUNTIL a private investigator came and met with him. It's absildisgisting and shows he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden because that's what him and all the rest do. They don't do the right thing unless their hand is forced. Your opinion is completely irrelevant ad to the facts at hand. He did NOT come forward until he had to, if he was going to he would have in the months prior. So please stop with your useless pandering, condoning and support of "The Truth" which is far far from being anything similar to the truth. I do have a hybrid question/comment. If you really are in the know and have direct access to this case (or other cases) information you wouldn't be on here posting some of this. It's highly suspicious to say the least. Your bosses or Other Agencies would take a hard look at you employment or access wise. It is starting to sound more like an "I know something you don't know, I know something you don't know" cartoon from back in the '70's I used to watch...
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 1, 2023 22:42:10 GMT -5
Vinny, I am sad. I appreciated your first post. But every post you make since then reduces my confidence in what you post. Your statements, for example: "Not sure why in God's green Earth you find anything remotely similar to the truth from "Doyle Smith". " "Doyle Smith is a bold faced liar, period. It's not open for discussion. He contradicts himself, as well as do the workers letters. All of what they say cannot possibly be true. He is covering."
"It's absildisgisting and shows he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden because that's what him and all the rest do."
"They don't do the right thing unless their hand is forced."
Angry emotional opinion-based statements not fact based rational statements. I have zero tolerance for other than integrity and transparency in the aftermath of this sordid matter. I'm seeing verifiable facts in the two statements that Doyle Smith has made. You have not done this ..... so far. God bless you and you have a good day.
* * * I am the one that came on here first and said this was bigger and more was coming. Then in the days following more letters being written in many states. More people involved than the one most people thought of. I've done my level best to explain things about the process so people dont get discouraged in the process. I think it's odd how the statements you quoted of mine are literally facts. Doyle did have no intention of coming forward and didn't come forward until spoken to by the private investigator. How is that not a fact? They do NOT do the right thing unless their hand is forced for the majority. That's why their are so many people moved instead of turned in and there are so many victims shamed and guilted into silence. Those are facts unless every single victim statement I've read is a lie. Doyles statements contradict themselves. What's true, what he said in the beginning or what he's trying to spin now? If Doyle was actually transparent or tried to do the right thing or had the victims best interests at heart he would have came forward last year? How is that hard to understand? He's a bad leader but good politician. Majority of you people see facts in Doyle's statements? Like what he held onto the laptop and didn't say anything for almost a year? Neither of those is a good fact. Both of those show he had no intention to come forward. He did so only after speaking to private investigator. That's a fact also. So I guess there's three facts. Doyle is not a good man or good leader. If he was he would have came forward when the first witness came forward, when he found the emails or when he looked at the phone. "Doing the right thing is rarely easy but it's always right." How are those opinionated? They are things that have happened, my opinion is irrelevant I'm just saying what happened. Ive been attacked and so on multiple times. Yet I am the angry one? Yes people can say things but I'm harrasses for giving info prior to things. You people don't seem to understand that there was a multiple state investigation" before" the Bruer incident that didn't involve Bruer initially. That's why the PI spoke to Doyle Smith in the first place. I cannot give you what you people want at this time and I've explained it multiple times, there's a block that you're incapable of understanding. I don't have the names of the people being investigated. I was given numbers to encourage people that "something" was being done. I don't have the names but when I get them I will give them. When people are charged then I can give case numbers. I'm doing everything I can to help and you people want to believe the man that held onto the info and did nothing for almost a year, only came forward when spoken to and has contradicting statements. I didn't see anyone else explaining how things worked. I didn't see anyone else saying more is coming. I see people who are understandably angry and are wanting to believe in the leadership that has failed them for decades. The failed church leadership WILL NOT SUDDENLY do the right thing and turn in the rapists and pedophiles unless they are forced to turn them in. Or they would have done it the many many times the the guilty workers were simply relocated and the victims guilted into silence. Anyone should be angry with the "church" that has allowed this to continue and made it part of their standard operating procedure to move the perverts and silence the victims. I've heard countless stories of abuse of the victims for even speaking up about the rapes and molestations. Then every single worker that passes away is heralded as a saint just like Bruer was yet he was really a minister monster. I thought I could educate people in how the system works and help but perhaps not. Anyway, you all have fun with each other. Please feel free to doubt the things I've said because this is far from over and the longer it goes in the more things I've said will be proven to you people. All those in the Truth are not bad people, confused but not bad. Those that are defending Doyle & the "truth" should be ashamed of yourselves and wouldn't know the truth if you heard it because your definitely not living it or supporting it. Unless you're calling all the perpetrators innocent and the victims liars. I'm here for the victims and to encourage people that things are Bing done. I have failed to do that. For that I apologize. May God be with you all.
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 1, 2023 22:52:23 GMT -5
Thank you for posting this Verna!👍 I am so thankful for and supportive of these courageous women Thank you SO much Sheri, Lauren and Cynthia!
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 1, 2023 23:01:05 GMT -5
I do have a hybrid question/comment. If you really are in the know and have direct access to this case (or other cases) information you wouldn't be on here posting some of this. It's highly suspicious to say the least. Your bosses or Other Agencies would take a hard look at you employment or access wise. It is starting to sound more like an "I know something you don't know, I know something you don't know" cartoon from back in the '70's I used to watch...* * * * To answer your question is easy and I've already stated it. Could have missed it. No problem. I asked someone who could get access and what I was told is certain numbers to encourage people. To make people understand that yes there is alot being done. This is a huge case from what I was told and there are multiple star law enforcement agencies involved as well as the Federal aspect. That's why I gave a list of what I had in my initial post then in the days to follow people started to hear alot more goings on. Alot more letters were written and each one with different info. Which showed that what I said was true. Do I have names of who is being investigated? No. Do I have case numbers? No. But I was told when people are charged I will be given that because unless there is another statement made by the higher UPS in the church then people won't know, well of.course unless you know someone charged. I know I little more specifics but I can't say as of yet what because of procedures. Plus if I did say something and messed up the people would be really upset with me. So in a way I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't. Hard to win in this world. I do not have direct access. I am out of the entire governmental loop. I only called a close friend of mine and told what I knew. I don't know much more. There are some who have alot more detailed info but again they are held to policy and procedure. My only goal was to give people hope and to encourage people that things are happening behind the curtain of needed secrecy with law enforcement. I hope that helps.
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Post by Grant on Apr 1, 2023 23:26:15 GMT -5
I do have a hybrid question/comment. If you really are in the know and have direct access to this case (or other cases) information you wouldn't be on here posting some of this. It's highly suspicious to say the least. Your bosses or Other Agencies would take a hard look at you employment or access wise. It is starting to sound more like an "I know something you don't know, I know something you don't know" cartoon from back in the '70's I used to watch...* * * * To answer your question is easy and I've already stated it. Could have missed it. No problem. I asked someone who could get access and what I was told is certain numbers to encourage people. To make people understand that yes there is alot being done. This is a huge case from what I was told and there are multiple star law enforcement agencies involved as well as the Federal aspect. That's why I gave a list of what I had in my initial post then in the days to follow people started to hear alot more goings on. Alot more letters were written and each one with different info. Which showed that what I said was true. Do I have names of who is being investigated? No. Do I have case numbers? No. But I was told when people are charged I will be given that because unless there is another statement made by the higher UPS in the church then people won't know, well of.course unless you know someone charged. I know I little more specifics but I can't say as of yet what because of procedures. Plus if I did say something and messed up the people would be really upset with me. So in a way I am dammed if I do and dammed if I don't. Hard to win in this world. I do not have direct access. I am out of the entire governmental loop. I only called a close friend of mine and told what I knew. I don't know much more. There are some who have alot more detailed info but again they are held to policy and procedure. My only goal was to give people hope and to encourage people that things are happening behind the curtain of needed secrecy with law enforcement. I hope that helps. It is hard to know which is your post and which is someone else's. Scroll to the bottom of the post you have pressed reply to and write outside the quote not inside it.
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Post by Vinny T. on Apr 1, 2023 23:44:37 GMT -5
Vinny, No one is saying that the believe Doyle. Just like we are saying that it is hard to believe what you say without the facts to prove it. I can come on here and say "I know what is going on, I have lots of intel and I know all the people involved. There are 472 people going to prison for this and Vinny is one of them." Without proven facts, no one is going to believe it. It is the internet... * * * If you said 472 people were going to prison and Vinny is one of them then there would be cases to look up and trials happening. People are being investigated and they aren't charged yet. I said that I was told there were 11 states involved. At the time there was not even that many letters written. Then within a few days 11 States wrote letters, now I believe there are 15 States with letters written. If it was a real notification of Dean Bruer then it would be in 50 States all at the same time and same letter. But it's coming in stages and if one pays attention most of them Doyle or Bruer have served in. I doubt it's a coincidence but I can't prove it is or isn't. What I have said and will say again is there are more involved and this is a very big investigation in multiple areas such as rape, conspiracy, pedophilia, witness tampering, vitness intimidation, money laundering and other financial crimes. This has alot of facets in that cover the churches involvement with it all. But I could be a random guy in the internet who got a few lucky guesses right who's only here to do what exactly? What would be my point of all this? Couldn't possibly be to give hope or encouragement to some of these victims that things are being done. Time will tell what I'm right about won't it? Have a good one.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Apr 2, 2023 1:54:30 GMT -5
A private forum is a private forum. You've taken a real identity in a private forum and placed it on here so you could have a shot at them without being identified. It's called cowardice. Go back to that private forum to do your flinging, and write a real response on there to call out the issues if they are really the "baseless assumptions and speculations" you allude to. Man up and shine that mirror so you can see your own reflection. But no issues with taking a private email sent to a specific group of recipients and blasting it all over the internet? People take the real identity of those senders and take shots all day at them on these anonymous boards. I am not defending any F&W actions at all by that question, just reiterated your hypocrisy that mirror guy pointed out. An email is much more personal than a "private" Facebook group that I'm sure just about anyone that wanted to could get in relatively easily. I have not personally done any such thing, or said I have no issue with it - that is your assumption and accusation. I had access to that letter earlier than many on here, and chose not to share it publically. It is now public, so yes, I will comment. Where is my hypocrisy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 2:12:07 GMT -5
Vinny, No one is saying that the believe Doyle. Just like we are saying that it is hard to believe what you say without the facts to prove it. I can come on here and say "I know what is going on, I have lots of intel and I know all the people involved. There are 472 people going to prison for this and Vinny is one of them." Without proven facts, no one is going to believe it. It is the internet... * * * If you said 472 people were going to prison and Vinny is one of them then there would be cases to look up and trials happening. People are being investigated and they aren't charged yet. I said that I was told there were 11 states involved. At the time there was not even that many letters written. Then within a few days 11 States wrote letters, now I believe there are 15 States with letters written. If it was a real notification of Dean Bruer then it would be in 50 States all at the same time and same letter. But it's coming in stages and if one pays attention most of them Doyle or Bruer have served in. I doubt it's a coincidence but I can't prove it is or isn't. What I have said and will say again is there are more involved and this is a very big investigation in multiple areas such as rape, conspiracy, pedophilia, witness tampering, vitness intimidation, money laundering and other financial crimes. This has alot of facets in that cover the churches involvement with it all. But I could be a random guy in the internet who got a few lucky guesses right who's only here to do what exactly? What would be my point of all this? Couldn't possibly be to give hope or encouragement to some of these victims that things are being done. Time will tell what I'm right about won't it? Have a good one. All at the same time and same letter? How unrealistic. The internet is very fast, people are not. I noticed that several start very similarly and wondered when the ex's would start saying "how soulless they are copying each other"... D@mned if you do and D@mned if you don't...
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Post by internationalstudies on Apr 2, 2023 6:17:51 GMT -5
Vinny posts: They know of at least 3 children he molested/raped
Doyle writes in his statement: Sadly, it has come to light just this month that 3 known victims were minors when he abused them in years past.
Vinny posts: * They knew of 2 victims of Dean Bruer since LAST SEPTEMBER yet they did NOT come forward til now.
Doyle writes in his statement: Our disclosure timing was thus victim-sensitive and victim-led, respecting the fact our known victims were in a “process to uncover.” It was very clear, to counsellors and to us, the victims would have been very traumatized by an earlier disclosure. Just prior to sending out our letter last week, the victims did agree to disclosure, but with considerable trepidation.
Vinny posts: The wording of Doyle's last letter is deceptive but very incriminating if you break down the sentence structure and syntax. His positive and transparent spin is complete bullsh-. If the church was actually transparent they would have came forward in September of last year when they found out. Coming forward AFTER you meet with a private detective in a Shari's for 3.5 hours theeeen coming forward is in no way being transparent. These disgusting people hid it until they couldn't hide it. Then ONLY came forward when they had no choice. I personally have spoken to someone who is high up and not involved with the investigation but found out for me.
Doyle writes in his statement: Contrary to internet speculation the disclosure was not forced by legal authorities nor anyone else. We didn't have any conversation of this kind with a legal authority or anyone else. The disclosure was 100% voluntary, a serious attempt to be transparent about what happened for the sake of all victims. We understand under such egregious circumstances, the reality is that there could be more victims. We would never consider covering up something like this at the expense of leaving known and unknown victims lost in their very difficult circumstance, desperately needing help.
Vinny posts: - Doyle Smith has came out and said more statements stating he knew for almost a year that Bruer molested people including children.
Doyle writes in his statement: The only incriminating evidence we ever discovered was email between him and one adult victim. Dean's computer is now in the hands of the police, and forensics would be able to detect if and when any alterations were made (we did not alter anything). In late September the second adult victim surfaced, and no other victims were confirmed until just before our disclosure letter went out last week (March 23).Since the perpetrator is deceased, we were advised by a professional trauma counsellor to be careful first of all for the needs of the victims. Obviously, no one else is more important in all of this than the victims. Mandatory reporters are required to immediately report sexual abuse that involves minors but must respect the wishes of abuse victims who are now adults with regards to when and if their abuse is reported. We have no known victims that are presently minors.
Vinny posts: Doyle Smith is a bold faced liar, period. It's not open for discussion. He contradicts himself.
We readers ask List the lies he has said/written. List the contradictions he has made.
Vinny posts: He is covering.
We readers ask State what he is covering.
Vinny posts: It's absildisgisting and shows he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden because that's what him and all the rest do.
We readers ask Give your basis and proof of your statement "that he had zero intentions of being transparent and his ONLY goal was to keep it hidden
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 2, 2023 9:38:07 GMT -5
Vinny,
It would go a long ways to proving yourself if you could answer a couple questions. You mentioned earlier that:
* Another Overseer has stepped down hmmmm odd timing isn't it?
So who was the first Overseer to step down?
Who is this next Overseer that stepped down?
I'm fairly well connected to the grapevine and have heard nothing about anyone stepping down at this point. If you have names, I can go prove that this is the case.
Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 9:56:49 GMT -5
Vinny, It would go a long ways to proving yourself if you could answer a couple questions. You mentioned earlier that: * Another Overseer has stepped down hmmmm odd timing isn't it? So who was the first Overseer to step down? Who is this next Overseer that stepped down? I'm fairly well connected to the grapevine and have heard nothing about anyone stepping down at this point. If you have names, I can go prove that this is the case. Thanks! Rumor: Yes 1 has stepped "back"... Proof, 3 workers are now running things in that state for now.
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 2, 2023 9:59:35 GMT -5
So you believe in predestination? No, but give me your defenition of predestination?. And I would be curious what made you think that?. Let's go with Merriam-Webster - the doctrine that God in consequence of his foreknowledge of all events infallibly guides those who are destined for salvation You say that Christ died "because of my sin" rather than "for my sin" or the redemption of my sin. Christ died over 2000 years ago and I wasn't alive at that time. So if he died "because" of my sin, it must be predestinated that I would sin in the future.
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 2, 2023 10:00:56 GMT -5
Vinny, It would go a long ways to proving yourself if you could answer a couple questions. You mentioned earlier that: * Another Overseer has stepped down hmmmm odd timing isn't it? So who was the first Overseer to step down? Who is this next Overseer that stepped down? I'm fairly well connected to the grapevine and have heard nothing about anyone stepping down at this point. If you have names, I can go prove that this is the case. Thanks! Rumor: Yes 1 has stepped "back"... Proof, 3 workers are now running things in that state for now. So we don't have to use names to implicate anyone, which state would that be?
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Post by hydropillar on Apr 2, 2023 10:14:38 GMT -5
its posted on wingsfor truth so far not very incriminating some 12 year old girl felt uncomfortable sitting on mark huddles lap while he read a book... maybe there is more to it but thats all i have read so far!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 10:15:43 GMT -5
Rumor: Yes 1 has stepped "back"... Proof, 3 workers are now running things in that state for now. So we don't have to use names to implicate anyone, which state would that be? Ummm, listing the state would identify the overseer of that state/region. Anyway, if everyone is reading all these letters carefully, they probably already know.
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Post by butterfingers on Apr 2, 2023 10:53:07 GMT -5
The Mark Huddle issue is well known, but as was said, is not very incriminating. He "stepped back" as was stated, which is clearly appropriate in this situation. He didn't step down though.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 2, 2023 11:41:00 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 2, 2023 12:35:30 GMT -5
All at the same time and same letter? How unrealistic. The internet is very fast, people are not. I noticed that several start very similarly and wondered when the ex's would start saying "how soulless they are copying each other"... D@mned if you do and D@mned if you don't... When I find myself agreeing with Wally well that says a lot . We have many longtime friends in those fields .
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Post by snow on Apr 2, 2023 12:53:14 GMT -5
This man was a source I used when I worked for Corrections Canada. They do really good lectures on how to train to spot a predator. Here is a link to their website. It isn't enough for the workers and elders to take training. I believe that the friends should also teach themselves how to spot a predator because no matter what the friends and workers do, there is always going to be someone that's really good at what they do and slip under the radar. The best defense is knowledge. speakerpedia.com/speakers/john-douglas--2
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 2, 2023 13:25:37 GMT -5
This man was a source I used when I worked for Corrections Canada. They do really good lectures on how to train to spot a predator. Here is a link to their website. It isn't enough for the workers and elders to take training. I believe that the friends should also teach themselves how to spot a predator because no matter what the friends and workers do, there is always going to be someone that's really good at what they do and slip under the radar. The best defense is knowledge. speakerpedia.com/speakers/john-douglas--2 Amen. Thx for posting the link. What you say is so true. The workers and elders cannot be everywhere and know everything. It's unrealistic to think they can address what they don't know. Each adult needs to have awareness. But, I know that some people have better knowledge and awareness than others. Parents need to have good awareness, especially.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Apr 2, 2023 13:26:14 GMT -5
Your advice is to stop taking chill pills . Do you think we want to do so ? Do you think we enjoy taking pills ? Absolutely not , however some will require chill pills regardless . We didn’t ask for what we got . Nothing wrong with medication . Do you know that 90% of addicts have had this kind of trauma in their lives . I speak at the Alberta Adolescent Recovery Center about once a month . I also work with an opiate dependency group . My job is to report how many died the previous day . I don’t use illicit drugs or substances . I vape as I have glaucoma and anxiety . It’s not even THC so I am not getting high . I have never been a drug addict . However I had 3 children on methadone . Only 1 is alive still . I am done . I am sure you have good intentions . But kindly don’t throw words like chill pills around Ma'am I am not sure why you are taking such offense to what I am sharing. You have NO IDEA what I have done in my life. Yes I have had rape victims talk to me, several in fact. I've also dealt with many other horrific things in the Military that I won't share as they have no bearing here. I have dealt with things the police, military and different Federal institutions for a long time. Assuming that you know things about someone isn't a good idea as it shows you don't. I suggest that you: Stop using Vallum, taking Ativan and vaping. Then stop speaking at the Recovery Center because as you said "there is no recovering". Get some help and be involved with something you believe in. You may be less angry. I am not sure if you hear yourself but you are quite aggressive for no apparent reason. I am only trying to help. Have a blessed day Don’t ever has the audacity to recommend people stop their medication While it is true that unassisted withdrawal from some substances, such as alcohol and benzodiazepines, can be deadly, professional treatment provided in medical detox programs can reduce that risk.1 With the proper medical attention and management, withdrawal symptoms can be controlled or mostly eliminated.2 A common question about drug and alcohol rehab and detox focuses on whether the withdrawal process can cause death. There’s a lot of conflicting information about what types of substances can bring dangerous or deadly withdrawal symptoms. Often, individuals and their loved ones struggling with addiction can be manipulated through fear or lulled into complacency by a lack of accurate information on the dangers and risks of drug withdrawal. The truth of the matter is somewhat in between. Depending on the situation, withdrawal from some substances can be deadly ! I must have missed something in your credentials , as you ……….ARE NOT A TRAINED PSYCHOLOGIST/NEUROLOGIST TO GIVE SUCH ADVICE . As to stop speaking at AARC IS THE WRONG ADVICE ! FW No I don’t hear myself because I am not delusional . THAT IS CSA YOU ARE SEEING ! You don’t know my pass . I have had to participate in 3 murder trials . Involving my children I have watched one child die and my son-in-law overdosed after he lost his wife whom was my daughter . I am a survivor because the man I got away from killed the next lady . On and on ! I worked with the crowd prosecutor in a trial which sent my child to young offenders jail for three years . I was the last to testify . It was recorded during phone calls she made to me .
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peggysullivan
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What is living if I can't be free? What is freedom if I can't be me?
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Post by peggysullivan on Apr 2, 2023 13:47:11 GMT -5
The allegation against Mark Huddle in and of itself doesn't give much to go on. The fact he has "stepped back" and encouraged it to be shared openly by the other brothers tells me he doesn't have anything to hide.
I think it's important to be careful about turning this whole thing into a witch hunt. Anytime correction is needed in any situation, it's important to be careful about how it is done and not go overboard. That doesn't mean you are in any way MINIMIZING the abuse that you DO have knowledge of or ignoring it.
From what I can tell, Doyle Smith took good counsel before writing the letters and consulted with a professional counselor before he released the information to the group. And I support that. Victims do not always want things shared with others; would rather keep it confidential. That is their decision and needs to be respected. It depends on how their therapy is going and whether or not they are ready for that step. If that step is taken too soon it can be traumatizing to them. Depending on how their therapy is going, taking that step of disclosure can progress healing and bring a little closure and justice for them. They may help others and if they can help others that can help them.
Contrary to what some have said, I do believe there can be HEALING for victims. They will never forget the abuse. But they can heal. And, they can even forgive their abuser.
Vinny said another overseer has stepped down. That is simply not accurate. I also got the impression Vinny was the private investigator. I guess he is not. He does seem to be quite emotionally invested in all this. But it's really not helpful to spew such negative things about Doyle Smith like that. Most on here don't know Doyle. Perhaps Vinny does. I don't know.
It's concerning and it's sad. But, in all the letters I have knowledge of the workers made it very plain they encouraged anyone to talk to them about it. That's a good thing. If anyone is having a hard time processing this thing, I do hope they get their needs addressed and have a resource.
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