|
Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2023 4:34:41 GMT -5
To an extent, it is irrelevant which side he batted for, or even if he batted for both both, as it is only the illegal (underage, rape, co-erced because of power differential etc) that the law would normally investigate, unless there was a smoking gun to something else. The moral side of what he did, and any culpability by others is a matter for the church in the US, and none of my business.
It should be of concern to anyone who still attends the 2x2 church (and exes) no matter what country you live in. We were told it is the same the world over. Sexual abuse is everyones concern. What Prags is doing is trying to separate that which concerns the realities of criminal investigations i.e. basically facts and evidence necessary to support criminal allegations, from moral and emotional sensitivities, as well as speculative over-ride, etc. The latter have the ability to easily cloud the former and in a lot of cases can be a hindrance to getting the real work done. However, your point is nonetheless valid, if not to a criminal investigation but certainly to sect members past and present. These people have invested their lives, not only for this life but for that to come, in a so called 'perfect way' where such is the immersion of members in the way, that even a hint of criminal or improper conduct by the governing people, is rejected out of hand and laid at the feet of those who are deemed enemies of truth. Where does the sect go from here? That's anyone's guess.
|
|
|
Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2023 4:52:32 GMT -5
So, N. Seattle meeting over this. Accusations are flying, another Oveerseer may be going down... sigh... Officially received the initial letter... When I first read the unsigned letter on page one, I initially thought it was a prank and didn't respond, because it seemed unfair to attack a guy who's no longer around to defend himself. I went from being naive to being flabbergasted. I reckon there was a reason Jesus sent his disciples out in pairs, a lone wolf can be dangerous. Maybe they should assign all Overseer positions to women? DB was well traveled, I wonder if it was to protect him from other allegations? Lots of good, sincere, and trustworthy Workers in the Truth, I'm sure this egregious episode has knocked their socks off too.
They have had many years to face up to emerging CSA and other abuse claims but have done next to nothing to stop it. What Breuer got up to (continued) during the last ten or fifteen years of his life (the period when things started to come to light) boldly underlines the fact they deserve no sympathy.
This has happened too many times to be swept under a rug, I sincerely hope they take some steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. There's no way to screen for hidden perverts, but surely they could have questioned a Worker who spent so much time in motels for no apparent reason. I hope no sister Workers or professing women willingly engaged in fornication with him. I don't know how he could have raped women in a motel? Surely someone would have heard cries for help? And how he could have lured anyone under-aged there? Maybe those were different incidences committed in homes? Very sad and depressing non-the-less.
As far as I am aware the circumstances and locii for each case are generally unknown, therefore exactly how and when things happened are largely a mystery at the moment. Many rapes and 'unwilling' fornication do not involve a violent struggle or vociferous rejection. Even if violence or threats of violence, or even blackmail are not used, a powerful and respected figure who is revered can often coerce weaker characters into being reluctantly willing. In such cases the victims often blame themselves.
|
|
|
Post by openingact34 on Mar 30, 2023 7:28:23 GMT -5
So, N. Seattle meeting over this. Accusations are flying, another Oveerseer may be going down... sigh... Officially received the initial letter...
When I first read the unsigned letter on page one, I initially thought it was a prank and didn't respond, because it seemed unfair to attack a guy who's no longer around to defend himself. I went from being naive to being flabbergasted. I reckon there was a reason Jesus sent his disciples out in pairs, a lone wolf can be dangerous. Maybe they should assign all Overseer positions to women? DB was well traveled, I wonder if it was to protect him from other allegations? Lots of good, sincere, and trustworthy Workers in the Truth, I'm sure this egregious episode has knocked their socks off too.
This has happened too many times to be swept under a rug, I sincerely hope they take some steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. There's no way to screen for hidden perverts, but surely they could have questioned a Worker who spent so much time in motels for no apparent reason. I hope no sister Workers or professing women willingly engaged in fornication with him. I don't know how he could have raped women in a motel? Surely someone would have heard cries for help? And how he could have lured anyone under-aged there? Maybe those were different incidences committed in homes? Very sad and depressing non-the-less.
Wow! Assigning women to be overseers would vastly improve the situation and also seriously piss off the ex-2x2s. I like it!
|
|
|
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 8:00:22 GMT -5
I would love to see sister worker’s as overseers ! I am a ex .
|
|
|
Post by matisse on Mar 30, 2023 8:03:12 GMT -5
When I first read the unsigned letter on page one, I initially thought it was a prank and didn't respond, because it seemed unfair to attack a guy who's no longer around to defend himself. I went from being naive to being flabbergasted. I reckon there was a reason Jesus sent his disciples out in pairs, a lone wolf can be dangerous. Maybe they should assign all Overseer positions to women? DB was well traveled, I wonder if it was to protect him from other allegations? Lots of good, sincere, and trustworthy Workers in the Truth, I'm sure this egregious episode has knocked their socks off too.
This has happened too many times to be swept under a rug, I sincerely hope they take some steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. There's no way to screen for hidden perverts, but surely they could have questioned a Worker who spent so much time in motels for no apparent reason. I hope no sister Workers or professing women willingly engaged in fornication with him. I don't know how he could have raped women in a motel? Surely someone would have heard cries for help? And how he could have lured anyone under-aged there? Maybe those were different incidences committed in homes? Very sad and depressing non-the-less.
Wow! Assigning women to be overseers would vastly improve the situation and also seriously piss off the ex-2x2s. I like it! You'll need to figure out a way to make the Brother Workers think it was their idea.
|
|
|
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 8:11:31 GMT -5
Site logo image Wings for Truth Letter from Wayne to WA, N ID and AK friends March 2023
wingsfortruth2 Mar 29 Please share with your field including the letter from Doyle that is attached.
Dear WA, N ID and AK friends,
We are very sorry and apologize to you for delaying in sharing information regarding Dean Bruer’s unacceptable secret life. We understand the hurt and pain many of you have felt, receiving the news from other sources. We are including his letter again as an attachment, so that you are receiving it directly from us, and so you will understand that we have nothing to hide. We plan to be quicker in sharing news in the future, though we know we can never beat social media.
We want to be transparent and accountable, and for you to feel free to communicate with us. Many of you have been very helpful to us already. Thank you for your prayers and caring advice/help/patience to us and with us. One thing we want to make very clear, is that if anyone has felt uncomfortable with any of the workers you’ve been around (including us), we want you to feel at liberty to share that with us, or other workers or friends that you trust. Also, if anyone is a victim of abuse from a worker, elder or anyone connected to our fellowship…the police should be contacted, as this is a legal issue. We don’t want to have a culture among our fellowship that is conducive for predators to work within.
It was discovered a while after Dean died that he had accessed a porn site while he was at the Motel where he died. At Boring #2, a lady went to Doyle and spoke of a relationship she had with Dean for 2 or 3 years that included physical sex. A 2nd lady victim surfaced in October. After extensive therapy that covered quite a while, there were accusations of child molestation. After Doyle’s letter was communicated, a 3rd lady victim surfaced, and again there was talk of child molestation when she was quite young.
As far as is known, all the issues took place in the MT and OR areas, so Doyle is the one that initiated communication, along with Scott. The web sites and internet picked it up from Doyle’s communication. Since Dean was dead, Doyle asked people to remain confidential until he and Scott were finished communicating in-person. There was never the thought that it would be hid or confidential after last Thursday. Communication was not in response to an investigator or the internet. The internet and emails were much quicker than phone calls and visits. A more accurate account of the timeline will be sent out later once it can be compiled.
Another thing that has recently surfaced is from a friends’ group discussion meeting last night in the N Seattle field. At one point in the meeting a lady spoke up. She told of personally talking to a now adult woman, who had interaction at the age of 11 with Mark Huddle. This woman said that Mark invited her to sit on his lap while he read stories to her, in a way which she felt was awkward and inappropriate. We do not have all the facts, and want to be slow to jump to conclusions, but we don’t want to hide what is open and circulating either. Mark is aware of the accusation against him and feels it best that we write and send this email.
So... the future...
All the workers on our staff will take a “Ministry Safe” course. Moses took council from his father- in-law about learning to delegate. He was likely not professing, but it was good council, and he took it. It seems like we need all the help we can get from multiple sources. Other steps will also be taken as they become clear.
People should feel safe and be safe... sisters, friends, and children.
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died, I saw also the Lord sitting upon his throne, high and lifted up. There is a Lord high and lifted up, and He is the one that is safe to keep our focus on.
With much care,
Your brothers,
Brian and Wayne
|
|
|
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 8:13:18 GMT -5
Site logo image Wings for Truth Glenn Gasser letter to Wisconsin workers and friends
wingsfortruth2 Mar 29 Dear Wisconsin Friends & Workers, (please do not forward)
It was very special to be in North & South Dakota for the sp mtg rounds there the past several weeks. I finished in Sioux Falls Sunday afternoon & joined our rounds in the Milwaukee area Monday afternoon. We had a very special workers mtg there this morning. If you wanted, you could get a feel for the tone of it by looking at the hymns that 3 different workers chose there: 339, 236 & 405. It’s always encouraging to hear the humble prayers & purposes of our coworkers and see their dedication to their calling.
It was extra meaningful to be together, as we all (& very many others) are hurting after learning Dean Bruer (a worker in OR who died last summer) had been living an immoral double life before his death. We are sooo sorry about that & feel especially for his victims! The friends in the areas where he worked have been notified. Any others who have been a victim of abuse or inappropriate behavior have been encouraged to reach out for support & to seek professional help if needed.
Some have expressed concern if there is anything being done to try to prevent such things from happening here. The workers here have kept current on continuing education regarding recognizing & preventing child sexual abuse. Workers are encouraged to report any CSA directly to law enforcement for investigation (Friends can do that too). Workers have been encouraged to speak up if they witness or experience inappropriate behavior towards them or others, no matter who it is (Friends can do that too).
The recent events have borne out the value of/need for that approach. Though the workers know these things we did have a helpful informal meeting this afternoon regarding these matters & other ways the ministry can be kept safe and honorable. The staff seems very on board & united in this. We are so sorry & ashamed that some among us have betrayed the trust of others, but that is reality.
Likely the apostles were very shocked & ashamed when Judas’ secret sin came to light. His sin didn’t mean they were all dishonest, but likely they bore some reproach because of it. Though they weren’t perfect, the 11 & others proved to be true men & God used them to help accomplish his purpose through the book of Acts.
I’m thankful that the many workers who were in our home from my youth & those I’ve worked closely with through the years have been true men & women and have been a great help and encouragement to me. They have pointed us to Jesus, the one perfect one who will never disappoint.
Your brother,
Glenn [Gasser
|
|
|
Post by Vinny T. on Mar 30, 2023 9:45:11 GMT -5
Thanks VinnyT for your well worded and calm input. I too work in a similar capacity down under. I was wondering if, because of Buer's travels, the FBI would get involved, and maybe Interpol depending on any information forthcoming. As I have posted previously, this is a very serious matter, but we can't have people jeopardising a thorough investigation by expressing impatience. I know from my own forensic work, it can be painstakingly labourious (especially with encrypted data being recovered), but it's only by being thorough that a full picture can emerge. Your welcome my friend. I will let you know more as soon as I get it. A close friend is in the Federal Bureau of Investigation. There are many cases in many states that are ongoing. I am not getting too detailed yet about everything as I am not sure if I am able to. As soon as I know more and I am able I will let people know.
|
|
|
Post by Vinny T. on Mar 30, 2023 9:57:00 GMT -5
I guess there are some who have went from abuse from others to self abuse with drugs. I have been abused myself severely yet I don't understand how that makes anything I said more or less relevant. I don't seek solice in chemical dependency. Yes I am aware for those that have been abused that there is no way to take things away. I really am unsure as to me being new is again such relevance or has so much credence or importance or gives certain people the right to attack me. Nor am I understanding who I am supposed to have the information I share "vetted". No one on here knows me, I am only trying to help. I have info that I briefly shared that most are not privy to. There seems to be a belief that because you're a victim that suddenly makes you away of police and law enforcement procedures, it doesn't. It only makes you involved. I come on here with info only to help. I AM NOT A WORKER. I am against the entire religious organization, it is very similar to the mafia of old. Thank you for the warm welcome. Have a good day everyone and for certain people my advice is to stop taking chill pills, it's a temporary solution. Again the info I've shared I have notfound anywhere else. If people take offense to someone being new and sharing info that's is a reflection of them and not me. Have a good night everyone. Again I am only trying to help. Vinnyt some of us here, because of our experiences, have a great deal of trouble trusting. I second guess everything and everyone. I know that you are not able to be more specific about who you are and why you’re here, but understand, this whole thing has made things a lot worse for some of us and so it is hard to know what to think. Personally, I know you said you simplified things but much I don’t still don’t understand. I will read it again. I do appreciate any information people can give but I am suspicious it is just more surmising. I hope you can convince me otherwise. Verna, I will say again this is far bigger than most understand yet. I am not going to convince anyone of anything as the truth will stand on its own. I know more but I am not able to be specific yet. The things I know and say people will come to see as more things come out. I have no dog in this fight other than wanting to do the right thing and help people. The religious organization has allowed this to continue and should have done what is right but then alot of other things they are protecting. This is far from over. Have a blessed day Verna.
|
|
|
Post by Vinny T. on Mar 30, 2023 10:11:32 GMT -5
Your advice is to stop taking chill pills . Do you think we want to do so ? Do you think we enjoy taking pills ? Absolutely not , however some will require chill pills regardless . We didn’t ask for what we got . Nothing wrong with medication . Do you know that 90% of addicts have had this kind of trauma in their lives . I speak at the Alberta Adolescent Recovery Center about once a month . I also work with an opiate dependency group . My job is to report how many died the previous day . I don’t use illicit drugs or substances . I vape as I have glaucoma and anxiety . It’s not even THC so I am not getting high . I have never been a drug addict . However I had 3 children on methadone . Only 1 is alive still . I am done . I am sure you have good intentions . But kindly don’t throw words like chill pills around Ma'am I am not sure why you are taking such offense to what I am sharing. You have NO IDEA what I have done in my life. Yes I have had rape victims talk to me, several in fact. I've also dealt with many other horrific things in the Military that I won't share as they have no bearing here. I have dealt with things the police, military and different Federal institutions for a long time. Assuming that you know things about someone isn't a good idea as it shows you don't. I suggest that you: Stop using Vallum, taking Ativan and vaping. Then stop speaking at the Recovery Center because as you said "there is no recovering". Get some help and be involved with something you believe in. You may be less angry. I am not sure if you hear yourself but you are quite aggressive for no apparent reason. I am only trying to help. Have a blessed day
|
|
|
Post by jennyfromtheblock on Mar 30, 2023 10:24:04 GMT -5
Your advice is to stop taking chill pills . Do you think we want to do so ? Do you think we enjoy taking pills ? Absolutely not , however some will require chill pills regardless . We didn’t ask for what we got . Nothing wrong with medication . Do you know that 90% of addicts have had this kind of trauma in their lives . I speak at the Alberta Adolescent Recovery Center about once a month . I also work with an opiate dependency group . My job is to report how many died the previous day . I don’t use illicit drugs or substances . I vape as I have glaucoma and anxiety . It’s not even THC so I am not getting high . I have never been a drug addict . However I had 3 children on methadone . Only 1 is alive still . I am done . I am sure you have good intentions . But kindly don’t throw words like chill pills around Ma'am I am not sure why you are taking such offense to what I am sharing. You have NO IDEA what I have done in my life. Yes I have had rape victims talk to me, several in fact. I've also dealt with many other horrific things in the Military that I won't share as they have no bearing here. I have dealt with things the police, military and different Federal institutions for a long time. Assuming that you know things about someone isn't a good idea as it shows you don't. I suggest that you: Stop using Vallum, taking Ativan and vaping. Then stop speaking at the Recovery Center because as you said "there is no recovering". Get some help and be involved with something you believe in. You may be less angry. I am not sure if you hear yourself but you are quite aggressive for no apparent reason. I am only trying to help. Have a blessed day If you are speaking to adolescents about recovery I sincerely hope you’re not as unhinged there as you are on here.
|
|
|
Dean Bruer
Mar 30, 2023 10:30:42 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 10:30:42 GMT -5
I am not unhinged and that is very hurtful to say such . Either you don’t understand trauma or have never had these vile acts happen to you . I will stick with my doctors , they went to school for a longtime . I strongly suggest that I will continue to take my meds and weed . Most patients with glaucoma are using weed . Cancer use a lot of weed . As for vaping I will continue using that as well , due to the fact I don’t use THC ! As well if you are aware these meds are given to very few . We have to participate in a year long program before and after med changes . It is also used at end of life to ensure the patient is comfortable and in no pain . There is a huge distance . Further to that I WAS PLACED ON CHILL PILLS AS A CHILD DUE TO CSA . I have been examined and tested by a psychologist/neurologist who explained that the use of Valium as a child and till this date , it has remapped my brain . That was after 5 1/2 hours of testing . So I leave those decisions to my doctors . They are very well trained . As for speaking at the AARC meeting’s I speak to parents and clients . Now who would I do so , I think I had mentioned that I had 3 kids on methadone . I have lost two kids I truly hope you have not lost any kids , that is a pain that rips you apart ., One of whom overdosed more than once , too many times and I found him exactly 6 days later when I was in Saskatoon making plans for my child’s cremation. So I speak to the lose due to drugs . What parents need to understand . Our meds are traced so we can’t access more because it a 30 day time frame . If I was drug seeking on the street than that’s a different conversation . If I could come of Valium which has been tried more than once . The first oath of a doctor is to do no harm and trying to take me off could kill me in Canada . I am asking if you are a doctor ? So go about your life and day and deliver your info . I will post mine as it comes to me . Until you walk my path which you no nothing about , block me . Then you don’t have to engage . Have a good day ! That was inhumane Vinny !
|
|
|
Post by bigtrax on Mar 30, 2023 10:43:45 GMT -5
I feel such compassion for those who were in his family and those who left glowing remarks on his memorial page. How they must feel now that this has been revealed to them. Such a shock to their initial feelings and beliefs about the man. Those close to him that really did not see what he was doing must also feel a lot of self chastisement for 'not seeing it'. It's human nature to blame ourselves for being betrayed and not seeing something we feel should have been obvious. So anyone that didn't see it and feels they should have, be kind to yourself. These people are very good at what they do. Especially when they can cover it up for as many decades as he did. I also feel so much compassion for those that were his victims that never said anything. They are probably blaming themselves for not speaking out and maybe stopping him earlier. You are not to blame. Do not take this on. Sexual assault is one of the most traumatizing things anyone can have happen to them. I know because I was a survivor of rape at 17 and never reported it or talked about it for years. I was ashamed, scared and I felt I must have done something wrong to have brought this onto myself. I have had therapy and I now understand better how that is a very common place we go when we've been abused. Please do not blame yourself and if you can talk to someone to process the harm done to you, please reach out to those you trust. One of the things that makes it so much easier for sexual assault to happen in these kinds of groups is because from a very young child we were taught that the workers were always right. At least that was how I was raised in the 50's and 60's. It might not be so much that way in the last few decades so I can't speak to that. But I'm sure there is still a very high level of respect for the workers that makes us trust them. When that trust is broken it's hard to handle it and there is a fear that we might be not believed. Unfortunately, I have read about many who were abused that did not get believed and were told to forgive and pray. I sincerely hope this last example of what is possible behavior of a worker, a person of higher responsibility like an elder etc. will cause the group to rethink how to reform some of the practices that makes it so easy for predators to get away with this in the group. My heartfelt hope is that this latest betrayal will bring needed changes so that those who love the format of the church in the home, conventions etc. can feel safer. Awareness is always a good thing and not believing in hero worship will help people be more alert to what can happen. Thanks Snow. New here and my registration to this site collides with the “Dean” news. The two workers in our OR field met first with the elders early last week then our workers read The Letter aloud with all later in the week in several separate small group meetings. I appreciated that format as it gave everyone ample time to share their immediate feelings; nothing was rushed. There was a lot of tears and for a while we all sat in stunned silence with the only sounds being the occasional sob. The array of inner emotions I feel are broad: betrayal, anger, disappointment, disgust, hurt, etc. Overwhelmingly what was expressed by each was deep compassion and concern for the victims and disgust with Deans actions. We were all very emotional and upset. My wife became a victim in her early teens some 50 years ago. (Not worker or friend, wasn’t raised ‘fessing) So we’ve been especially moved by these revelations. Because of her CSA experience we have always been extremely careful not to let our children do sleep overs or be alone with any workers or any friends in/out of the fellowship. My wife and I are also very careful not to put ourselves in any potentially compromising situations. The workers & friends we have had around were equally careful and respectful in this manner. My wife and I have always been of the mind that we would report CSA to law enforcement first and if necessary, mention it to the workers later. People need to be held accountable for these horrific crimes; I don’t care who they are. CSA isn’t something that a victim just “deals with”. You don’t “just get over it”. It’s more like sort out-block out-manage -overcome - REPEAT. Therapy is a tremendous help. Finally, I have only speculation of the “who knew what, when and how much” aspects of this tragedy but I’m confident that the authorities will drill down and separate the facts from speculation. I’m comforted that God see’s us in our need and will deal with us as dear children. My feelings of compassion for the many victims are immense and I hope they receive the comfort, love, and support they need. And they need justice.
|
|
|
Dean Bruer
Mar 30, 2023 10:55:01 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 10:55:01 GMT -5
LAST TIME WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS THE DIRECT REACTION TO CSA . I am not unhinged . You don’t know my entire life history but some do . When we are in a loop we REACT ! I will continue to speak there . Because most of the time I have control thx to medication . I have gone to university , had kids , married my childhood sweetheart whom was diagnosed with schizophrenia about 18 months after our first child . He committed SUICIDE ! That is unhinged . However I now fully understand how he felt . I won’t recovery from the police at my door to tell me . I had left because his actions now involved weapons . I took my kids and lived with my parents for quite some time . My parents had a Sunday am meeting which my girls and I got up and got ready for and sat there listening . Unless you have walked my path , you look not so educated about many things because you have not lived it ! Thx Have a great day !!!! Anyhow meds on board and chillin . The doctor will make the call when they are able to start withdrawing the medication ! Cheers 🥂 Those who know my story are emailing me and dm’s for reporting it to police because that man has been in Alberta .
|
|
|
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 10:58:37 GMT -5
I AM HERE FOR THE VICTIMS TO. REMIND THEY ITS NOT THEIR FAULT ! Oye , oye , oye . Some on this board know me personally . I won’t ask them to weigh in . They see me and I am not unhinged or they would have walked away . True dat ! So I made the decision to go to SSU to weather this storm to which my body reacts . Meds on board and I will continue to post the letters I am receiving in my email .
|
|
|
Post by Vinny T. on Mar 30, 2023 11:05:47 GMT -5
Hello, As I stated in my first post this is bigger and more far reaching than most realize as of yet. I have saw that many other "letters" are coming out. In multiple States. There is and will be other who are going to be investigated officially for the things they have done. There is alot of roots spread everywhere in this poisonous tree. This organization has condoned vile and filthy behavior and actions the entire time. When something happens they are just moved to infect others with their sickness. They have racked up many victims and it is a good thing that many are coming forward. The "truth" about the Truth is coming to light. I will share more when I am able to. God bless everyone.
|
|
|
Dean Bruer
Mar 30, 2023 11:22:21 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 11:22:21 GMT -5
Ma'am I am not sure why you are taking such offense to what I am sharing. You have NO IDEA what I have done in my life. Yes I have had rape victims talk to me, several in fact. I've also dealt with many other horrific things in the Military that I won't share as they have no bearing here. I have dealt with things the police, military and different Federal institutions for a long time. Assuming that you know things about someone isn't a good idea as it shows you don't. I suggest that you: Stop using Vallum, taking Ativan and vaping. Then stop speaking at the Recovery Center because as you said "there is no recovering". Get some help and be involved with something you believe in. You may be less angry. I am not sure if you hear yourself but you are quite aggressive for no apparent reason. I am only trying to help. Have a blessed day If you are speaking to adolescents about recovery I sincerely hope you’re not as unhinged there as you are on here. Thx Wally for weighing in yet again . Your actions cause harm sometimes ! But dude whatever makes you happy 😊 go with your god about your day . If you actually worked the front line which you didn’t , you could have a better understanding .
|
|
|
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 11:55:58 GMT -5
Just had my meeting with my psychiatrist . I showed him the lovely remarks ….. As he said , girl keep on going . We are supporting you because when you reach crises you come in on your own . Doing so to be successful making it through with this evil matter . He also stated the stigma is still around about mental health . Including that at some point in each lives may endure a mental health crisis . I am not on the active ward , where they tie people down . Or give them massive amounts of medication which makes them sleep . Those are the unhinged . I comply and follow the rules and have permission to go out side . There is a huge difference . I am not on an active lockdown psych ward btw along with a gp to monitor my physical health . ! I sincerely hope it never happens to anyone of you . Many take their lives as I stated . I will continue to work with Calgary Police ! If you knew my entire story you may not want to walk my path for the sake of your mental health ! If you are happy with your advice please feel free to continue with your schooling to be a psychiatrist .
|
|
|
Post by Vinny T. on Mar 30, 2023 12:11:25 GMT -5
If you are speaking to adolescents about recovery I sincerely hope you’re not as unhinged there as you are on here. Thx Wally for weighing in yet again . Your actions cause harm sometimes ! But dude whatever makes you happy 😊 go with your god about your day . If you actually worked the front line which you didn’t , you could have a better understanding . Here's the deal, I am not unhinged. I have spoken clearly and concisely and gave information most didn't know. I do not appreciate the remarks of me being "unhinged" when I am only helping. I am glad you showed your psychiatrist the things I said because if I said anything wrong or inappropriate we are all sure you would have told me. Sheesh, this is your life, you have nothing else. I'm sad for you. Go ahead and say what you like about me and continue assuming. But remember "it was I" that said many things first which shows I have info most don't. Anyway I sincerely hope that you and all the victims can get the help you need and the perpetrators convicted. God bless you.
|
|
|
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 12:30:05 GMT -5
At no point did I call you unhinged Vinny . You do whatever you do and I will proceed with my doctors and counseling sessions . I would NEVER speak down to anyone that way . As you have read I am fully aware of unhinged . As in my husband who took his life at a very young age . I raised my girls with the support of my parents . At no point did I call my husband unhinged . Psychiatric disorders are all different , I learnt as best as I could to help him . I will move forward with my mandatory reporting and the last night I spoke to my husband I was expecting a grocery list . Which I would buy and he would pick it up from my dad . I had heard the phrase ,this is the last time you will speak with me , it’s forever in my head , This is going to be the last I engage with you !. So I went about my evening and police knocked on my door at 3:28 AM . Here is a little more information . In 2021 I was put in a seniors abuse shelter . . I had been sexually assaulted by a man . Live it , learn it and above all BE KIND ! Until you walk our paths . Go for it , whatever it is you are doing and hopefully it will help the victims !!!!! Battery on one with mental health is not very nice . I will stick with psychologists and psychiatric doctors and the effects . it not right professing or not to utter such words . That is a 30 second glimpse of my life . Not sure if you could endure so much trauma . So I have shared some facts and I am done sharing people who don’t understand mental health issues or unwilling to learn that some are born with those conditions . They just wanna pounce ! When we conduct safe dosing sites for addicts we never call them unhinged . We are there to prevent them from dying . Not to pass judgment !
|
|
|
Dean Bruer
Mar 30, 2023 13:06:54 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 13:06:54 GMT -5
Latest letter ….
Site logo image Wings for Truth Richard Gasser letter to Kansas / Nebraska friends March 2023
wingsfortruth2 Mar 30 It seems very necessary to mention a very disheartening situation that has been made known to us this last week. Dean Bruer (a worker in OR who had also spent years in WY MT, maybe other places?) had been living a very immoral, dishonest double life before his death. We are so very sorry about that & feel especially for his victims! I believe The most friends in the areas where he worked have been notified. I know he was here in Nebraska for special meetings last spring, I sure hope there was nothing that happened while he was here. We heartily encourage any that have been a victim of abuse or inappropriate behavior been to reach out for support & to seek professional help if needed.
Quite a number have called or texted/emailed and expressed concern if there is anything being done to try to prevent such things from happening here in KS/NE. All the workers on our staff have kept current on continuing education regarding recognizing & preventing child sexual abuse through a Ministry Safe Course. Workers are encouraged (in fact it is mandatory). to report any CSA directly to law enforcement for investigation (our Friends can do that too)( Our Workers have been encouraged to speak up if they witness or experience inappropriate behavior towards them or others, no matter who it is (our Friends can do that too). This recent event has indeed shown the value of/need for that approach.
We are so very sorry & ashamed that some among us have betrayed the trust of others, but that is reality. Likely the apostles were very shocked & ashamed when Judas’ secret sin came to light. His sin didn’t mean they were all dishonest, but likely they bore some reproach because of it as well. Though they weren’t perfect, the 11 & others proved to be true men & God used them to help accomplish his purpose through the book of Acts. I’m thankful that the many workers who were in our home from my youth & those I’ve worked closely with through the years have been true men & women and have been a great help and encouragement to me. They have pointed us to Jesus, the one perfect one who will never disappoint.
With all the workers I have been with since learning this, there seems to be a renewed purpose to keep our lives above any reproach, and would hope to gain back the trust of our dear friends, that has been so carelessly broken by some.
I am very open for anyone to contact me or any of the other workers with any other concerns regarding any of this. We do want to be as open and transparent about this issue as we can, but also realize that there is a part of our human nature that craves to feed on all the failings of others to help justify ourselves, so we struggle to find that balance.
Thank you very much for trying to understand my feeble attempt to put into words the deep feelings in my heart
Your Brother & servant
Richard
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 13:09:33 GMT -5
If you are speaking to adolescents about recovery I sincerely hope you’re not as unhinged there as you are on here. Thx Wally for weighing in yet again . Your actions cause harm sometimes ! But dude whatever makes you happy 😊 go with your god about your day . If you actually worked the front line which you didn’t , you could have a better understanding . "Wally" didn't say that. But don't let reality get in the way of your narrative...
|
|
|
Dean Bruer
Mar 30, 2023 13:13:06 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 13:13:06 GMT -5
I didn’t say Wally said IT ! He liked your post . Period full stop !We do this often . So please tell me where I stated those words about Wally . I am not stupid . To quote Wally critical reading problems …….. Along with nice try …….. We have a complete list of his sage wisdom . Do not engage with me again . When you become a psychiatrist then weight in !
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 13:19:25 GMT -5
I didn’t say Wally said IT ! He liked your post and as he does liked it . . We do this often . So please tell me where I stated those words about Wally . I am not stupid . To quote Wally critical reading problems …….. Along with nice try …….. We have a complete list of his sage wisdom . Do not engage with me again . When you become a psychiatrist then weight in ! Your vague confused responses help no one. You can always block me, scroll on by or leave the forum though it's a free world...
|
|
|
Dean Bruer
Mar 30, 2023 13:22:18 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 13:22:18 GMT -5
Oh Wally what would I ever do without you around ! It wasn’t vague you liked the post . Bottom line . Have an awesome day ! It helped me , it reminded me of those who don’t understand events that derail lives . How many victims ?? Are they gonna get the proper treatment . I certainly hope so . Nice try though ……. Smoke time over back in I go ! You have no idea how much I dislike reading your tweets , others on here as well don’t care for your wisdom . Off I go Will post next Letter when I receive and transmit it to CPS ! Who are shocked absolutely stunned . Dean was in Canada often . Have been having some awesome giggling moments
|
|
|
Post by snow on Mar 30, 2023 14:07:35 GMT -5
So, N. Seattle meeting over this. Accusations are flying, another Oveerseer may be going down... sigh... Officially received the initial letter... The extent of what happened is just being revealed. The likelihood that he operated in a bubble that no one knew about is rather unlikely unfortunately. If vinnyt knows what he's talking about it sounds like this investigation has gone federal and will be one of the biggest religious sect investigation in the history of the US. The reason it's gone federal according to them is because Mr. Bruer had access to so many people in many states. It may even go to Interpol because of his travel. Nothing can be done to him of course, but there may be victims in other countries and he may not have been acting alone so other workers are going to be investigated.
|
|
|
Dean Bruer
Mar 30, 2023 14:12:12 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 30, 2023 14:12:12 GMT -5
I certainly hope other’s countries are being looked at . Hopefully if that is Vinny I am good with that act .I kind of think it’s a Jenka game ….. Pull out a block without crashing the stack to win at jenga Includes 54 Jena hardwood blocks, stacking sleeve with instructions Genuine hardwood blocks Simple, solid, and timeless It takes skill, strategy, and luck challenge yourself or play with friends IMO I don’t think he acted alone . As another worker’s name has been given ! We know from the Alberta problem that WP was using hotels as well . He was in charge of all the money until friends started asking questions . Then he got drug into court . Way back in 1996 . We also had workers that were participating in sexual acts . In addition to porn on computers .
|
|
|
Post by snow on Mar 30, 2023 14:14:34 GMT -5
So, N. Seattle meeting over this. Accusations are flying, another Oveerseer may be going down... sigh... Officially received the initial letter... When I first read the unsigned letter on page one, I initially thought it was a prank and didn't respond, because it seemed unfair to attack a guy who's no longer around to defend himself. I went from being naive to being flabbergasted. I reckon there was a reason Jesus sent his disciples out in pairs, a lone wolf can be dangerous. Maybe they should assign all Overseer positions to women? DB was well traveled, I wonder if it was to protect him from other allegations? Lots of good, sincere, and trustworthy Workers in the Truth, I'm sure this egregious episode has knocked their socks off too.
This has happened too many times to be swept under a rug, I sincerely hope they take some steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. There's no way to screen for hidden perverts, but surely they could have questioned a Worker who spent so much time in motels for no apparent reason. I hope no sister Workers or professing women willingly engaged in fornication with him. I don't know how he could have raped women in a motel? Surely someone would have heard cries for help? And how he could have lured anyone under-aged there? Maybe those were different incidences committed in homes? Very sad and depressing non-the-less.
Rape comes in many forms, not all are violent. He had power and he could have threatened them in order to coerce them into having sex with him. Predators use any and all means to get what they want. Sister workers may have been told they would be kicked out of the work. Children may have been told that their parents wanted them to be with him because he was a worker and therefore could be trusted not to hurt them. Married women could be told that he would tell their husbands they were having an affair with someone and because he was a trusted overseer with a lot of power, do you think the husband would not believe him? I'm sure some wouldn't and call him on it, but the women may have thought it was a valid threat that they couldn't disprove and felt helpless. Many different scenarios. I worked as a volunteer in a woman's sexual assault clinic and the stories I heard make me understand that rape is rape when there is an imbalance of power and the woman is threatened.
|
|