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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 19:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 19:39:43 GMT -5
Your advice is to stop taking chill pills . Do you think we want to do so ? Do you think we enjoy taking pills ? Absolutely not , however some will require chill pills regardless . We didn’t ask for what we got . Nothing wrong with medication . Do you know that 90% of addicts have had this kind of trauma in their lives . I speak at the Alberta Adolescent Recovery Center about once a month . I also work with an opiate dependency group . My job is to report how many died the previous day . I don’t use illicit drugs or substances . I vape as I have glaucoma and anxiety . It’s not even THC so I am not getting high . I have never been a drug addict . However I had 3 children on methadone . Only 1 is alive still . I am done . I am sure you have good intentions . But kindly don’t throw words like chill pills around
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Post by Vinny T. on Mar 29, 2023 19:40:50 GMT -5
As you can read I am very serious. From everything I have read I have seen that there is alot of confusion as to how things work in regards to the way the procedures are. I am not wanting to trigger anyone. I have been involved with law enforcement for decades. I simplified things to make sure people have a clear understanding. Me being new here has no relevance to anything other than me being new "here". I have given knowledge that has not been posted anywhere else that I have found. I didn't have to, my only goal is to help people. I want everyone of the people that have raped, abused & taken advantage of others to be punished accordingly. I am sorry this had happened to you and others. I hope that you recover in a healthy manner. God bless you. Thank you for the information. I for one did not know a lot of what you pointed out in a very clear point by point fashion. It was helpful for me. You are welcome indeed Altruism at times is a hard thing to understand I guess. Have a great night. I will post more info when I get it.
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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 19:49:31 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 19:49:31 GMT -5
Vinny you just witnessed CSA SURVIVOR SYNDROME ! Straight up , the affected people we are . Sore dude but I’m outta here . Will only be back if I receive more pertinent information !
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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 19:52:21 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 19:52:21 GMT -5
Thanks VinnyT for your well worded and calm input. I too work in a similar capacity down under. I was wondering if, because of Buer's travels, the FBI would get involved, and maybe Interpol depending on any information forthcoming. As I have posted previously, this is a very serious matter, but we can't have people jeopardising a thorough investigation by expressing impatience. I know from my own forensic work, it can be painstakingly labourious (especially with encrypted data being recovered), but it's only by being thorough that a full picture can emerge. That is why I filed the police report about Dean . We are checking , cross checking and sharing photos from Dean’s time during his travels . We need anything available to trace and see exactly where he was during his time outside of the USA 🇺🇸
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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 20:00:07 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 20:00:07 GMT -5
I have a question . Do we even know that Dean was only on women ? I haven’t heard . Is it possible he targeted boys ? So many things to be questioned .
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2023 20:00:49 GMT -5
I feel such compassion for those who were in his family and those who left glowing remarks on his memorial page. How they must feel now that this has been revealed to them. Such a shock to their initial feelings and beliefs about the man. Those close to him that really did not see what he was doing must also feel a lot of self chastisement for 'not seeing it'. It's human nature to blame ourselves for being betrayed and not seeing something we feel should have been obvious. So anyone that didn't see it and feels they should have, be kind to yourself. These people are very good at what they do. Especially when they can cover it up for as many decades as he did. I also feel so much compassion for those that were his victims that never said anything. They are probably blaming themselves for not speaking out and maybe stopping him earlier. You are not to blame. Do not take this on. Sexual assault is one of the most traumatizing things anyone can have happen to them. I know because I was a survivor of rape at 17 and never reported it or talked about it for years. I was ashamed, scared and I felt I must have done something wrong to have brought this onto myself. I have had therapy and I now understand better how that is a very common place we go when we've been abused. Please do not blame yourself and if you can talk to someone to process the harm done to you, please reach out to those you trust. One of the things that makes it so much easier for sexual assault to happen in these kinds of groups is because from a very young child we were taught that the workers were always right. At least that was how I was raised in the 50's and 60's. It might not be so much that way in the last few decades so I can't speak to that. But I'm sure there is still a very high level of respect for the workers that makes us trust them. When that trust is broken it's hard to handle it and there is a fear that we might be not believed. Unfortunately, I have read about many who were abused that did not get believed and were told to forgive and pray. I sincerely hope this last example of what is possible behavior of a worker, a person of higher responsibility like an elder etc. will cause the group to rethink how to reform some of the practices that makes it so easy for predators to get away with this in the group. My heartfelt hope is that this latest betrayal will bring needed changes so that those who love the format of the church in the home, conventions etc. can feel safer. Awareness is always a good thing and not believing in hero worship will help people be more alert to what can happen. Questioning a worker is like questioning God himself. Which is why that kind of faith in the workers allows these kinds of things to happen more easily. I think that the practice of not wanting to address it with the friends in large gatherings like conventions is a mistake. If they got up and said to the friends that this is happening in our fellowship I think the friends would be shocked but also thankful to know so that they can be aware. I also think it would be helpful to remind the friends that just because they are workers it does not mean that they are always right. They need to not nurture the worship some of the friends have for them. That is what leads to workers trying to maintain that status by not revealing misdeeds when they happen. But I think that openness would keep people a lot better than secrecy because once something like this happens and it comes out, people feel betrayed and vote with their feet. The friends are more important than maintaining the reputation of the group and there would be a lot more respect in the long run. A healthier type of respect.
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Post by verna on Mar 29, 2023 20:01:22 GMT -5
I guess there are some who have went from abuse from others to self abuse with drugs. I have been abused myself severely yet I don't understand how that makes anything I said more or less relevant. I don't seek solice in chemical dependency. Yes I am aware for those that have been abused that there is no way to take things away. I really am unsure as to me being new is again such relevance or has so much credence or importance or gives certain people the right to attack me. Nor am I understanding who I am supposed to have the information I share "vetted". No one on here knows me, I am only trying to help. I have info that I briefly shared that most are not privy to. There seems to be a belief that because you're a victim that suddenly makes you away of police and law enforcement procedures, it doesn't. It only makes you involved. I come on here with info only to help. I AM NOT A WORKER. I am against the entire religious organization, it is very similar to the mafia of old. Thank you for the warm welcome. Have a good day everyone and for certain people my advice is to stop taking chill pills, it's a temporary solution. Again the info I've shared I have notfound anywhere else. If people take offense to someone being new and sharing info that's is a reflection of them and not me. Have a good night everyone. Again I am only trying to help. Vinnyt some of us here, because of our experiences, have a great deal of trouble trusting. I second guess everything and everyone. I know that you are not able to be more specific about who you are and why you’re here, but understand, this whole thing has made things a lot worse for some of us and so it is hard to know what to think. Personally, I know you said you simplified things but much I don’t still don’t understand. I will read it again. I do appreciate any information people can give but I am suspicious it is just more surmising. I hope you can convince me otherwise.
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 29, 2023 20:06:25 GMT -5
I have a question . Do we even know that Dean was only on women ? I haven’t heard . Is it possible he targeted boys ? So many things to be questioned . To an extent, it is irrelevant which side he batted for, or even if he batted for both both, as it is only the illegal (underage, rape, co-erced because of power differential etc) that the law would normally investigate, unless there was a smoking gun to something else.
The moral side of what he did, and any culpability by others is a matter for the church in the US, and none of my business.
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Post by peggysullivan on Mar 29, 2023 20:14:46 GMT -5
Questioning a worker is like questioning God himself. Which is why that kind of faith in the workers allows these kinds of things to happen more easily. I think that the practice of not wanting to address it with the friends in large gatherings like conventions is a mistake. If they got up and said to the friends that this is happening in our fellowship I think the friends would be shocked but also thankful to know so that they can be aware. I also think it would be helpful to remind the friends that just because they are workers it does not mean that they are always right. They need to not nurture the worship some of the friends have for them. That is what leads to workers trying to maintain that status by not revealing misdeeds when they happen. But I think that openness would keep people a lot better than secrecy because once something like this happens and it comes out, people feel betrayed and vote with their feet. The friends are more important than maintaining the reputation of the group and there would be a lot more respect in the long run. A healthier type of respect. I mentioned this to my aunt last night. I remember we were told we were not supposed to question the workers. And, I told her that is an unhealthy practice, really. When you see something that isn't right being done by a worker and you cannot question them, well that wrong behavior just gets enabled; not addressed. Two workers being together as companions is supposed to be a way to keep things in check. But, many younger workers were raised hearing the same thing: Don't question the workers, so they are less likely to question an older companion. They are supposed to stay in their place or stay in their lane. At first, my aunt tried to deny that that was said, but she did eventually agree with me.
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 29, 2023 20:17:05 GMT -5
Which is why that kind of faith in the workers allows these kinds of things to happen more easily. I think that the practice of not wanting to address it with the friends in large gatherings like conventions is a mistake. If they got up and said to the friends that this is happening in our fellowship I think the friends would be shocked but also thankful to know so that they can be aware. I also think it would be helpful to remind the friends that just because they are workers it does not mean that they are always right. They need to not nurture the worship some of the friends have for them. That is what leads to workers trying to maintain that status by not revealing misdeeds when they happen. But I think that openness would keep people a lot better than secrecy because once something like this happens and it comes out, people feel betrayed and vote with their feet. The friends are more important than maintaining the reputation of the group and there would be a lot more respect in the long run. A healthier type of respect. I mentioned this to my aunt last night. I remember we were told we were not supposed to question the workers. And, I told her that is an unhealthy practice, really. When you see something that isn't right being done by a worker and you cannot question them, well that wrong behavior just gets enabled; not addressed. Two workers being together as companions is supposed to be a way to keep things in check. But, many younger workers were raised hearing the same thing: Don't question the workers, so they are less likely to question an older companion. They are supposed to stay in their place or stay in their lane. At first, my aunt tried to deny that that was said, but she did eventually agree with me. Yes, there have been numerous plane crashes because of poor cockpit resource management and the junior office not questioning the actions of a senior officer or captain.
Power needs also have it's checks and balances
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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 20:19:04 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 20:19:04 GMT -5
A new one up north Dear Elders, including all Friends in the Anchorage/Mat-Su area, Sean and I and all of us workers in Alaska received some tragic news on Thursday afternoon (March 23) about Dean Bruer. Dean was among us in Alaska from his coming to Juneau in the mid 1970’s, spent his first five years in the ministry here, then five more years (1997-2002), and then was a trusted overseeing worker in Montana/Wyoming and Oregon/S. Idaho until his death in June 2022. I’m sorry and apologize to you for delaying getting this news of Dean’s dark/unacceptable secret life to each of you. In hindsight, I should have sent a memo to each of you that day. Attached is the letter (from Doyle Smith current OR/S ID overseeing worker) that tells what we heard on Thursday. I want to be transparent and accountable here with a welcome to you to communicate. Many of you have been very helpful to me already, and thank you for your caring advice/help/patience to/with me. One thing we want to make very clear, is that if anyone has felt uncomfortable with any of the workers you’ve been around (including me/us), we want you to feel at liberty to share that with us or other workers or friends that you trust. Also, if anyone is a victim of abuse from a worker or an elder or anyone connected to our fellowship…the police should be contacted, as this is a legal issue. We don’t want to have a culture among our fellowship that is conducive for predators to work within. Jesus said there would be wolves in sheep’s clothing, so unfortunately we can’t always trust everyone in our fellowship…but we’re very thankful that we can always trust the Spirit of God and the words of Jesus. We realize that much communication has been ongoing since these details of Dean have been made known. One matter I’ll mention that has been found to be inaccurate, is a Memo outlined in a red border titled, “In reference to the Dean Bruer case” from the Clackamas Co Sheriff’s Dept. I’ll copy/paste what Doyle Smith found out today from the Clackamas Co Sheriff: There is a message, going around to many “In reference to the Dean Bruer case”. A deputy at the Sheriff’s office has confirmed there is a case number, but “since the man is dead” there is NO active investigation taking place at this time. They are referring people who call to me, and no one has called me yet. Please pardon us if this isn’t including all of what could or maybe should be said here, but please feel free to be in touch, now, or anytime in the future. Your brothers in Christ, Sean and Dan WOW OMG , no active case . WTH ? Thank you to admin !
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Post by peggysullivan on Mar 29, 2023 20:32:08 GMT -5
What did Dean really die of? "Heart troubles?" Who knows. There should have been an autopsy.
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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 20:46:55 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 20:46:55 GMT -5
I have a question . Do we even know that Dean was only on women ? I haven’t heard . Is it possible he targeted boys ? So many things to be questioned . To an extent, it is irrelevant which side he batted for, or even if he batted for both both, as it is only the illegal (underage, rape, co-erced because of power differential etc) that the law would normally investigate, unless there was a smoking gun to something else.
The moral side of what he did, and any culpability by others is a matter for the church in the US, and none of my business.
Tru dat ! However TRIGGER WARNING ⚠️ TRIGGER WARNING ⛔️ As a survivor from the last time 2018 , I am very unhappy right now . As I remember everything to follow 1 a kit 2 vaccines every three months for 2 years 3 did he have a STD ? 4 did he have the std HPV that renders a woman unable to conceive a child . 5 did he have accomplices ? 6 vaccines down to every six months then a year until you pass away . 7 cryo treatment is horrible ! I am thinking what a lot of survivors and parents are thinking They have questions Just some things that go through a survivor’s head . Feet are finally on the floor . Nighttime meds done . JMO Is there a smoking gun possibility ? So many unknown’s , some horrible things for the victims reliving it .
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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 21:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 21:18:18 GMT -5
Site logo image Wings for Truth Amy THompson letter to friends March 2023
wingsfortruth2 Mar 29 Dear elders and friends,
Here is an outline of what we know about the timeline of events regarding Dean Bruer.
-After Dean's death and funeral, Doyle accessed Dean's computer looking for the worker list, and found inappropriate things.
-At Boring convention, an adult female victim came forward about her relationship with Dean in the last several years. She asked for the information to be kept quiet.
-In the last several weeks, other adult victims have come forward, including one who was underage at the time they were abused by Dean. They asked that the information be made public.
-Doyle wrote a letter (included with this email) to share the information about Dean with the friends. The purpose was for the workers to personally share the information last week, via reading the letter, with all the friends in the states where Dean has labored most recently: OR, S ID, MT, WY. The friends were asked not to discuss it in an effort to have the information come from the workers first. Unfortunately, the letter was posted on the internet before those visits were completed.
-Thursday, the WA, N ID, and AK staff was contacted with the information. At this point there are no known victims from our states. Again, we encourage anyone who has been a victim of any inappropriate behavior by Dean or anyone else to please reach out to someone you trust.
-Friday, Doyle took Dean's computer to the police.
-The notice circulating about the Clackamas County Sheriff asking for information appears not to be an open case.
Please don't hesitate to reach out for a visit, either with your elders or your workers. There is a lot to process and a lot of noise right now, and while we are trying to touch bases with as many people as possible, we don't always know where the most immediate needs are. Our purpose is to shepherd our sheep with compassion and share safe pastures to feed on.
-Karen and Amy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 0:08:41 GMT -5
So, N. Seattle meeting over this. Accusations are flying, another Oveerseer may be going down...
sigh...
Officially received the initial letter...
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Post by Grant on Mar 30, 2023 0:11:28 GMT -5
I have a question . Do we even know that Dean was only on women ? I haven’t heard . Is it possible he targeted boys ? So many things to be questioned . To an extent, it is irrelevant which side he batted for, or even if he batted for both both, as it is only the illegal (underage, rape, co-erced because of power differential etc) that the law would normally investigate, unless there was a smoking gun to something else. The moral side of what he did, and any culpability by others is a matter for the church in the US, and none of my business.
It should be of concern to anyone who still attends the 2x2 church (and exes) no matter what country you live in. We were told it is the same the world over. Sexual abuse is everyones concern.
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Post by Dan on Mar 30, 2023 0:58:54 GMT -5
So, N. Seattle meeting over this. Accusations are flying, another Oveerseer may be going down... sigh... Officially received the initial letter...
When I first read the unsigned letter on page one, I initially thought it was a prank and didn't respond, because it seemed unfair to attack a guy who's no longer around to defend himself. I went from being naive to being flabbergasted. I reckon there was a reason Jesus sent his disciples out in pairs, a lone wolf can be dangerous. Maybe they should assign all Overseer positions to women? DB was well traveled, I wonder if it was to protect him from other allegations? Lots of good, sincere, and trustworthy Workers in the Truth, I'm sure this egregious episode has knocked their socks off too.
This has happened too many times to be swept under a rug, I sincerely hope they take some steps to make sure it doesn't happen again. There's no way to screen for hidden perverts, but surely they could have questioned a Worker who spent so much time in motels for no apparent reason. I hope no sister Workers or professing women willingly engaged in fornication with him. I don't know how he could have raped women in a motel? Surely someone would have heard cries for help? And how he could have lured anyone under-aged there? Maybe those were different incidences committed in homes? Very sad and depressing non-the-less.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Mar 30, 2023 1:04:50 GMT -5
I have a question . Do we even know that Dean was only on women ? I haven’t heard . Is it possible he targeted boys ? So many things to be questioned . To an extent, it is irrelevant which side he batted for, or even if he batted for both both, as it is only the illegal (underage, rape, co-erced because of power differential etc) that the law would normally investigate, unless there was a smoking gun to something else.
The moral side of what he did, and any culpability by others is a matter for the church in the US, and none of my business.
This is not a problem just for the US, as evidenced by similar problems (and criminal convictions) that have occurred elsewhere. Someone wrote this today in another forum, and I asked if I could quote it. The context is the DB response letters currently being sent by overseers and workers in other places to their own flocks. Every single letter says something along the lines of "If only we had known but how could we have known?"
I believe that most of those writers did NOT know and would have been appalled and taken steps to stop the abuse had they known.
But they absolutely COULD (and really SHOULD) have known if they were working to create a community of believers that was transparent and had ways
for subjects like this to be addressed and for victims to feel safe both resisting and reporting this kind of behavior.
I acknowledge that the revealing and reporting of sexual abuse is VERY complex for victims, but the "perfect way" has unfortunately been a perfect vehicle for abuse to flourish and for abusers to be protected. The longterm toxic culture of accusing victims of tarnishing "the perfect way" if they report abuse may take a long while to overcome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 1:07:41 GMT -5
The affected areas for the pedo so far have been narrowed down to MT and OR.
Ministry Safe program will be required now.
2nd letter may appear shortly...or even more letters...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 1:14:44 GMT -5
It would be similar to what I did, seeking verification something has happened. I know. Your investigative skills aren't any better than his. Do better...
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Post by peggysullivan on Mar 30, 2023 1:20:52 GMT -5
So, N. Seattle meeting over this. Accusations are flying, another Oveerseer may be going down... sigh... Officially received the initial letter... Do you have anymore information on this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 1:46:12 GMT -5
So, N. Seattle meeting over this. Accusations are flying, another Oveerseer may be going down... sigh... Officially received the initial letter... Do you have anymore information on this? Thats all I have at the moment...
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 30, 2023 2:35:55 GMT -5
Which is why that kind of faith in the workers allows these kinds of things to happen more easily. I think that the practice of not wanting to address it with the friends in large gatherings like conventions is a mistake. If they got up and said to the friends that this is happening in our fellowship I think the friends would be shocked but also thankful to know so that they can be aware. I also think it would be helpful to remind the friends that just because they are workers it does not mean that they are always right. They need to not nurture the worship some of the friends have for them. That is what leads to workers trying to maintain that status by not revealing misdeeds when they happen. But I think that openness would keep people a lot better than secrecy because once something like this happens and it comes out, people feel betrayed and vote with their feet. The friends are more important than maintaining the reputation of the group and there would be a lot more respect in the long run. A healthier type of respect. I mentioned this to my aunt last night. I remember we were told we were not supposed to question the workers. And, I told her that is an unhealthy practice, really. When you see something that isn't right being done by a worker and you cannot question them, well that wrong behavior just gets enabled; not addressed. Two workers being together as companions is supposed to be a way to keep things in check. But, many younger workers were raised hearing the same thing: Don't question the workers, so they are less likely to question an older companion. They are supposed to stay in their place or stay in their lane. At first, my aunt tried to deny that that was said, but she did eventually agree with me. I've been visualising myself in this situation as a child if I had ever been the victim of csa by a worker. If I had had the audacity to tell my parents back in the day, (and it didn't happen to me) I would have probably been beaten to within an inch of my life by my father & told never to speak like that about the workers again. It is easy for me to see how they got away with it
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2023 3:41:40 GMT -5
Questioning a worker is like questioning God himself. That sounds like idolatry right there. Perhaps the way I worded it? Not idolatry though. This type of statement was to breed compliance.
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Post by fixit on Mar 30, 2023 3:57:41 GMT -5
That sounds like idolatry right there. Perhaps the way I worded it? Not idolatry though. This type of statement was to breed compliance. Sorry, what I meant to say was that your statement describes an idolatrous concept: Questioning a worker is like questioning God himself.Questioning a worker is like questioning God himself.
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Post by fixit on Mar 30, 2023 4:07:27 GMT -5
I don't know how he could have raped women in a motel? Surely someone would have heard cries for help? And how he could have lured anyone under-aged there? Maybe those were different incidences committed in homes? Very sad and depressing non-the-less. One strategy that has been used in the past is to convince women that they're doing it for God to "keep me in the work". There's a big power imballance between an overseer and a sister worker, so they could feel their position in the work is at risk if they don't comply.
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2023 4:13:13 GMT -5
So this is latest update sent to me by an insider . Yes a documentary is apparently being made. Efforts are being made re: resources for victims. The fb 2×2 support group is really great. Up to about 1200 members now. The case is not closed!!!! Ok NEW new update on the laptop case: The Clackamas County police were giving mixed information due to some confusion at the department . Ok NEW new update on the laptop case: We finally got ahold of the Sergeant who explained that the case IS open and active, however they cannot access the laptop without a victim in Clackamas County who believes there is evidence of the crime on the laptop and without a warrant to search the laptop. Thanks to my source . Omg what a great snooze . Thx to my doctor . I also remember Nathan stating he slept on the floor . Hhhhhhmmmmm ! Will update as I get updated . You can’t tell me that , some didn’t know . They sat on the information and deserve jail time . This is just the tip of the iceberg ! Hello there, This is my first post. I'd like to explain a few things that may not be apparent. I am posting to inform people what I know and I will not be guessing unless I state that based upon my experience and knowledge. Information is what people will be using to make decisions and the more accurate information people have the better decisions they can make. First of all I am not law enforcement but I have worked with and trained law enforcement for decades. I have talked to a couple close friends of mine who shall remain un-named because they gave me information that is not easily available. My reason for posting is that I have someone very close to me that has escaped this "religious sect" and the many types of abuse that have thrived from within the group due to its policies, procedures and the level of secrecy on how things are ran. Such as the severe lack of a real and documented organization, bank and financial records, membership records etc. They have thrived because of the lack of any accountability, and that they have severely discouraged people from reporting any and all issues. As well as not taken needed steps to prosecute those that have taken advantage of or harmed others in the various ways. They simply relocated them and that's not moral, ethical or should ever be done. It only "encourages" offenders to continue offending. I am going to list some things that pertain to this ongoing investigation as well as any investigation. These are basic principals that law enforcement adhere to in order to properly investigate this as well as anything. * There is an open case in Clackamas * I have seen an email that was from a patrol officer. Any patrol officer is not in charge of or involved in any investigation. They respond to 911 calls, emergencies and minor investigations. They are not involved in major investigations except on minor levels. * The bulk of major investigations as well as most investigations are left up to people that specialize in those areas such as sex crimes and financial crimes for example. They are called detectives. * Any detective or police officer cannot comment on an ongoing investigation. * Law enforcement cannot speak about those that are being investigated either. Not until such individuals are actually charged with a crime. Then it's public knowledge, albeit you have to look to know if someone is charged. * Law enforcement cannot speak about investigations in another jurisdiction or from another agency either as that is not their purview. * With regards to this investigation I can say that it is far bigger than most realize and it will not be finished quickly most likely. Reason being is they are being thorough and will make sure all avenues are covered. * I can also say that to "to my knowledge" this is going to be the biggest or one of the biggest sex crime cases involving a religious order in the United States. *** This has also been extended to the Federal side of things because and I am guessing on this but from what I do know there are crimes done by individuals in multiple States. *** Another reason it is a Federal case is because there is alot of money being exchanged for a large sect that doesn't have any financial records so to speak or bank accounts in said religious orders name. Private people are paying for an international religious organization with no orginization or records so to speak of and no oversight. * In order to have a case open there has to be a crime that is suspected to have been done. This case started before the laptop was compelled to be turned over. * A forensic accountant can get into any account that's connected to the laptop or owner of the laptop or the phone which was wiped and given away to my knowledge. They wiped the phone but alot of things are stored online. There is ALOT that's being done wrong by many people and this is not a good thing because there has been alot of abuse that's been done by many many people for a very long time. Including rape, child sexual abuse, assault, major financial crimes, coercion and others. There has been known sexual crimes where the victims have been coerced into not pressing charges and the offender has simply been moved to another state to continue offending. So very wrong on so many levels. This is all I am going to say for now. If anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to ask. I will do my best to help. I hope this clears alot of things up especially those that are not familiar with how the American Judicial Syatem and law enforcement procedures. Again I am not law enforcement but I have worked with them and know several people in multiple agencies that have told me things to help clear things up. I imagine it is hard to come forward but others need as many who have been harmed to come forward and report the abuse. It may get some semblance of closure for you as well as justice for others. God bless you all. Sincerely, Vinny T [/quote] Many thanks for this Vinny. It is important that those connected with the sect past and present have a basic understanding of the situation. Many people have invested not only their present life in this group, but their life to come. That has a huge bearing on how people react to the exposure of this case. I am reminded of the very public Jimmy Saville case here in the UK many years ago. Saville was an immensely popular public figure due to his TV and charity work for many years. After he died the allegations of CSA, rape, etc., all started to come out and never before has such a can of worms been opened. I attach a link for the information of those who in other countries may not be familiar with this character and case. There are many similarities to the one under discussion. I do not expect the current case to come anywhere near to the level of Saville's case, but once a can of worms is opened it's anyone's guess where it will finish. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal
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Post by mountain on Mar 30, 2023 4:14:58 GMT -5
Perhaps the way I worded it? Not idolatry though. This type of statement was to breed compliance. Sorry, what I meant to say was that your statement describes an idolatrous concept: Questioning a worker is like questioning God himself.Questioning a worker is like questioning God himself. Whatever you meant or I meant, there is an idolatrous element in the group fixated on the workers, varying in degree from member to member.
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