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Post by Admin on Mar 28, 2023 18:42:17 GMT -5
Please see these facts (as have been advised by workers), helpfully compiled and reported by @cherie It sounds like you are suggesting that there were not underaged victims. verna, where did that come from? The original notification letter by Doyle clearly stated: "We have come to the tragic conclusion that Dean Bruer had another side to his life...that Dean was a sexual predator...Dean had his own Best Western Hotel preferred customer account and spent a considerable amount of time and money in motels. As we all know, when he died last June, it was in a motel in Government Camp, OR; a place that he frequented. The receipts often included "two guests". Victims have come forward, and there was very confirming and incriminating evidence found on his computer and phone...His actions include rape and abuse of underage victims..
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Post by verna on Mar 28, 2023 19:50:37 GMT -5
It sounds like you are suggesting that there were not underaged victims. verna, where did that come from? The original notification letter by Doyle clearly stated: "We have come to the tragic conclusion that Dean Bruer had another side to his life...that Dean was a sexual predator...Dean had his own Best Western Hotel preferred customer account and spent a considerable amount of time and money in motels. As we all know, when he died last June, it was in a motel in Government Camp, OR; a place that he frequented. The receipts often included "two guests". Victims have come forward, and there was very confirming and incriminating evidence found on his computer and phone...His actions include rape and abuse of underage victims..Cool. Just checking. I had quoted from Doyle’s letter saying there were underage victims and then you said something about there being changes in the reports. Sorry can’t find it right now. I was worried it would be confusing to people. I wanted clarification. Now I have it. I’m happy. Well as happy as one can be with the circumstances. Thx.
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Dean Bruer
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 28, 2023 20:02:14 GMT -5
So this is latest update sent to me by an insider . Yes a documentary is apparently being made. Efforts are being made re: resources for victims. The fb 2×2 support group is really great. Up to about 1200 members now.
The case is not closed!!!!
Ok NEW new update on the laptop case: The Clackamas County police were giving mixed information due to some confusion at the department . Ok NEW new update on the laptop case: We finally got ahold of the Sergeant who explained that the case IS open and active, however they cannot access the laptop without a victim in Clackamas County who believes there is evidence of the crime on the laptop and without a warrant to search the laptop. Thanks to my source . Omg what a great snooze . Thx to my doctor . I also remember Nathan stating he slept on the floor . Hhhhhhmmmmm ! Will update as I get updated . You can’t tell me that , some didn’t know . They sat on the information and deserve jail time . This is just the tip of the iceberg !
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 28, 2023 23:51:31 GMT -5
I have to wonder if any of his victims tried to come forward in the past only to be dismissed or told to "forgive" and stay quiet. If no victims tried to come forward, that is, imo, just as damning of the 2x2 culture. Senior workers claiming they knew nothing is not a good look, and, imo, not especially believable. This has brought "mangochango" back to mind; I hope she is doing ok. You know, I can't imagine that someone higher up didn't know. What are the odds. Is it really possible that the number of sister workers that were victims never mentioned it to anyone else? That seems rather improbable to me. But I'm sure everything they dismissed was just for the sake of the kingdom and therefore a justifiable oversight... wrong!! But who to tell? The tattle tale sisters are as scary as the secret police!!
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 29, 2023 0:02:36 GMT -5
While it may seem repugnant to Christians, what DB is alleged to have done; in the eyes of the law, the only thing of interest is what is illegal. The possibilies are underage sex, rape, and possibly exercising power over someone against their will which can be interpreted as kidnapping. If an underage person, was handed to another offender, then trafficking could also be a charge. In DB's case this is probably unlikely. Speculation, and trial by social media is not helpful, and we just need to let the law take its course. Data can be examined without a victim being named, in most jurisdictions, and the reason for this is often victims names are aliases. My personal suspicion is that the sudden transparency, if that's what you can call it, is actually a poorly derived strategy to try and get ahead of the game. Data of a suspicious nature should have been immediately reported to police to let them make the judgement call. My personal belief is that they didn't want the information to come out, and it took third party action to force it after eight months. If young sister workers engaged in acts of impropriety, that isn't a crime in the eyes of the law.
The Doyle letter has the hallmarks of legal advice being sought for content approval, and is quite well written, apart from some typos. But it is about seven months too late.
What was the role of the private investigator in this? Who employed this person and why? It seems things came to light after someone prompted a private investigation which seems to have resulted in the matter ultimately being reported to the police. Rather than the workers attempting to being ahead of the game, they might have been put in a position that they were forced to face up to their legal and moral responsibilities? I think you are right. Someone of great integrity spilled a lot of beans to the police and the police came into the anthill and surprised a lot of people who thought they'd dealt with the whole thing. And it's probably the case that no one has a clue who it was who went to the police, because he/she told absolutely no one what he/she did. Ask me about that.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 29, 2023 0:06:50 GMT -5
How much do you think Nathan knows about tnis? It almost feels like the missing link. He got away with absolute murder in this guy's jurisdiction and was definitely keeping something quiet by his own admission. The day it was revealed on here. He called and we talked about it, then he went off to investigate. He was notified shortly after here I believe. That's all they need -- Nathan to investigate. Knowing him he's apt to be caught attempting to interfere with the investigation.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Mar 29, 2023 0:27:25 GMT -5
What was the role of the private investigator in this? Who employed this person and why? It seems things came to light after someone prompted a private investigation which seems to have resulted in the matter ultimately being reported to the police. Rather than the workers attempting to being ahead of the game, they might have been put in a position that they were forced to face up to their legal and moral responsibilities? The Private Investigator is part of a bigger advocacy group who has been tracking and quietly compiling info on CSA abuse with the 2x2 fellowship for some time. They acted as soon as they saw the Doyle letter, meeting with Doyle and asking him to hand in the laptop. They released a public statement a few days ago. Sadly, there are many more perpetrators to come. If you're a perp in the 2x2s, they are coming for you. Voices for the Truth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 1:16:33 GMT -5
The day it was revealed on here. He called and we talked about it, then he went off to investigate. He was notified shortly after here I believe. That's all they need -- Nathan to investigate. Knowing him he's apt to be caught attempting to interfere with the investigation. It would be similar to what I did, seeking verification something has happened.
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Post by chuck on Mar 29, 2023 1:48:52 GMT -5
While it may seem repugnant to Christians, what DB is alleged to have done; in the eyes of the law, the only thing of interest is what is illegal. The possibilies are underage sex, rape, and possibly exercising power over someone against their will which can be interpreted as kidnapping. If an underage person, was handed to another offender, then trafficking could also be a charge. In DB's case this is probably unlikely. Speculation, and trial by social media is not helpful, and we just need to let the law take its course. Data can be examined without a victim being named, in most jurisdictions, and the reason for this is often victims names are aliases. My personal suspicion is that the sudden transparency, if that's what you can call it, is actually a poorly derived strategy to try and get ahead of the game. Data of a suspicious nature should have been immediately reported to police to let them make the judgement call. My personal belief is that they didn't want the information to come out, and it took third party action to force it after eight months. If young sister workers engaged in acts of impropriety, that isn't a crime in the eyes of the law.
The Doyle letter has the hallmarks of legal advice being sought for content approval, and is quite well written, apart from some typos. But it is about seven months too late.
Many of these people are master manipulators, they have spent years taking advantage of other people's guilt in various ways. You can be sure nothing has changed in this particular instance....
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Post by mountain on Mar 29, 2023 2:52:31 GMT -5
What was the role of the private investigator in this? Who employed this person and why? It seems things came to light after someone prompted a private investigation which seems to have resulted in the matter ultimately being reported to the police. Rather than the workers attempting to being ahead of the game, they might have been put in a position that they were forced to face up to their legal and moral responsibilities? I think you are right. Someone of great integrity spilled a lot of beans to the police and the police came into the anthill and surprised a lot of people who thought they'd dealt with the whole thing. And it's probably the case that no one has a clue who it was who went to the police, because he/she told absolutely no one what he/she did. Ask me about that. Okay Bob, I'm asking ya! As things stand I am very angry at this new revelation. I am usually very guarded about speculation and supposition, instead looking to base my views and understanding on facts. However, it is early days yet and I find myself somewhat unrestrained due to my anger. I thought I had left all this stuff way in the past as previous engagements on the subject of CSA etc., had left me burned out.
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Post by fixit on Mar 29, 2023 2:54:26 GMT -5
If young sister workers engaged in acts of impropriety, that isn't a crime in the eyes of the law. Unless there is deemed to be a power differential e.g. if they felt it was necessary to keep ther place in the work.
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Post by mountain on Mar 29, 2023 2:57:47 GMT -5
What was the role of the private investigator in this? Who employed this person and why? It seems things came to light after someone prompted a private investigation which seems to have resulted in the matter ultimately being reported to the police. Rather than the workers attempting to being ahead of the game, they might have been put in a position that they were forced to face up to their legal and moral responsibilities? The Private Investigator is part of a bigger advocacy group who has been tracking and quietly compiling info on CSA abuse with the 2x2 fellowship for some time. They acted as soon as they saw the Doyle letter, meeting with Doyle and asking him to hand in the laptop. They released a public statement a few days ago. Sadly, there are many more perpetrators to come. If you're a perp in the 2x2s, they are coming for you. Voices for the Truth
An excellent, concise update Elizabeth. Thank you! However what you say about more perps etc., although no longer surprising, is certainly extremely disappointing. This is what they get for dragging their heels for years over these issues. In my view, those who have been guilty of evasion, must be in the frame as suspects. A dangerous principle, but every tactic must be used to sweep the floor clean.
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Post by mapi on Mar 29, 2023 8:53:12 GMT -5
That's all they need -- Nathan to investigate. Knowing him he's apt to be caught attempting to interfere with the investigation. It would be similar to what I did, seeking verification something has happened.
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Post by mapi on Mar 29, 2023 8:54:25 GMT -5
That's all they need -- Nathan to investigate. Knowing him he's apt to be caught attempting to interfere with the investigation. It would be similar to what I did, seeking verification something has happened. What is CSA ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2023 9:13:58 GMT -5
It would be similar to what I did, seeking verification something has happened. What is CSA ? Child sex abuse...
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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 10:49:06 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 10:49:06 GMT -5
So here is a list , rather generic letter imo . I received this information at 2:31 am . Certainly glad I have to hand my phone in after being allowed outside to smoke & vape . Yes the doctors absolutely know , that I use cannabis ! But it’s time to sign off at my doctors request . They are just getting me calm and watching for signs . Trembling so bad I can’t hold utensils presently . I am on Ensure high protein drinks and extra calories . The reoccurring response by my body & mind is not a good thing . So time to turn phone in and go back to sleep 💤 I am being sedated thankfully .
Jeffrey Thayer letter to MN-IA friends Dear friends, It is with a deep sadness that we send this note today regarding Dean Bruer. Some of you would have this word by now and we apologize for our delay in sending word. It’s been difficult to know what to do or say but we feel we should be in touch with you all. Many of you would know Dean Bruer because he grew up in Minnesota. Since his death, very disappointing evidence has arisen to verify that Dean was living an immoral, double life. This has already affected many and will likely have long term effects. Dean was a sexual predator and his victims include adults and minors. This is a very serious crime and we are very, very sorry. Please find attached the letter written by the workers in Oregon. This is devastating, hurtful, and disappointing. It’s taken us a while to process it because we are all reeling since hearing about it. We want to be transparent and open. We also want to encourage everyone to keep close to God and protect your faith. Proverbs 16.33 says, “The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord.” None of us could have known that Dean had this problem. However, it is so and we all must face it. It is “in our lap.” The disposing of this difficult and sad experience will be of the Lord and we want to wait on him and trust him to guide us through it. We are available to help in any way we can. With care and love, The Minnesota/Iowa workers Minnesota Crisis Hotline 866-223-1111 Iowa Abuse Hotline 800-362-2178
Site logo image Wings for Truth Merlin Affleck letter to Elders March 2023
wingsfortruth2 Mar 28 Dear Elders
Feel free to share the following message with discretion with any of the folks in your church.
This sad note needs to be written to verify something that most of you would likely already have heard. Dean Bruer has been accused of living an immoral double life and ample evidence has surfaced since his death to support these claims. We feel betrayed and are sorry for all who have been or will be affected by his behaviour.
'Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth true, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.'
Sincerely, Merlin
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the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
We grieve. We trust that Our lord will give comfort as we gather tomorrow…
Your brother,
[Leroy Sandford]
Hello Friends, Family, and Loved Ones,
With a heavy heart, we learned of the many allegations of sexual abuse by former overseer Dean Bruer. He is not the only person within the Truth who has abused their authority to commit these acts against the Friends and their children. As this case demonstrates, attempts within the institution have not been sufficient to address the pervasive problem of sexual abuse, especially child sexual abuse.
In the days since the news of Dean broke, dozens of you have stepped forward to share your stories and the names of more than 100 alleged perpetrators of sexual abuse within the Truth that span many decades and several countries. We are incredibly grateful for your bravery. You are bringing light to the darkness and helping ensure your experience is not repeated. All of us, especially our children, deserve to live free from the fear of sexual abuse.
I, Lauren Rohs, contacted Oregon overseer Doyle Smith Thursday night last week. Cynthia Liles, Sheri Autrey, and I met with him at Shari’s Cafe & Pies in South Salem for three and a half hours to suggest safe and ethical next steps to protect the Friends from future harm. Unfortunately, Ministry Safe, a program to advocate for and protect victim survivors, is not required for any worker. Therefore, to minimize future trauma and devastation to all the people we love and hold dear, a small group of volunteers has been working around the clock to collect your statements, assess the scope of the damage, and determine the next steps. Our only goal is to support victim survivors and prevent further abuse. We are working with friends, workers, former members, and nonmembers to address this massive crisis. We are also working with private investigator Cynthia Liles who grew up going to meetings. Her expertise and compassion are unparalleled. This massive crisis will require our entire community to come together, lean in, and comfort one another. Please practice self-care and visit the RAINN website (rainn.org) for resources on how to speak to one another, care for yourself, and continue during this difficult time.
We are in communication with friends and workers who are encouraging us in these efforts. They support us in this advocacy. They recommend you contact us using the hotline below since we have the resources to determine what the next steps should be.
Please share your stories and tips by texting or calling the 24-hour confidential hotline: (503) 386-4634
Whatever your concern or information is, we are listening. If you are a victim survivor, we can discuss advocacy options and connect you to professional, vetted resources. After you’ve reported to the hotline, those of you inside the community are encouraged to reach out to Barry Barkley and Ray Hoffman, the Overseers of the United States. They deserve to hear your experiences, your fears, and your hopes. You can find more information about the hotline and Dean Bruer case at voicesforthetruth.org.
With Love,
Lauren Rohs, Cynthia Liles, Sheri Autrey, and a group of people who care
If you feel tentative, awkward, or are unable to use the hotline, please DM me (@lauren Rohs) on Facebook, and I will walk you through the process.
Once again all my support to the victims . Please remember YOU DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG !!!!! Please reach out ! The sista workers are breaking a rule and for a very good reason . Lady worker’s take control in their post . Chillin time ! What many are seeing in real time , the lasting affects of CSA !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 11:54:29 GMT -5
They nurses have reminded me , that in most large hospitals around Alberta , and Canada 🇨🇦 Wednesday afternoon’s are drop in coffee times , if you wish to speak with someone . There are psychologists present . That may lead to a psychiatrist if needed . Again YOU VICTIMS DID NOTHING WRONG !!!! To assure that you understand this doesn’t take place in the psychiatric ward , where people are held . It is in a different section of the hospital . My fav nurse comes and did 1 hour of therapy through music and words . She is wonderful , however she had hoped to not see me again . Gotta love her 🙃
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 12:19:22 GMT -5
From the sister worker's In the days since the news of Dean broke, dozens of you have stepped forward to share your stories and the names of more than 100 alleged perpetrators of sexual abuse within the Truth that span many decades and several countries .
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2023 12:39:36 GMT -5
You know, I can't imagine that someone higher up didn't know. What are the odds. Is it really possible that the number of sister workers that were victims never mentioned it to anyone else? That seems rather improbable to me. But I'm sure everything they dismissed was just for the sake of the kingdom and therefore a justifiable oversight... wrong!! But who to tell? The tattle tale sisters are as scary as the secret police!! So that's how the sister workers are viewed by overseers when they complain to them about being raped by other workers?
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2023 12:47:18 GMT -5
I think you are right. Someone of great integrity spilled a lot of beans to the police and the police came into the anthill and surprised a lot of people who thought they'd dealt with the whole thing. And it's probably the case that no one has a clue who it was who went to the police, because he/she told absolutely no one what he/she did. Ask me about that. Okay Bob, I'm asking ya! As things stand I am very angry at this new revelation. I am usually very guarded about speculation and supposition, instead looking to base my views and understanding on facts. However, it is early days yet and I find myself somewhat unrestrained due to my anger. I thought I had left all this stuff way in the past as previous engagements on the subject of CSA etc., had left me burned out. I don't know if you do facebook Mountain but there is a new group on there that is called ex 2x2 support group. You are not alone in being out for some time and still having this really trigger you. The group helps provide support and because they have been through it, you know they understand what you are saying. Hope this helps you if you wish to join. Hugs I'm triggered and I left young and 50+ years ago. I understand the anger.
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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 12:58:00 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 12:58:00 GMT -5
You can bet your ass that this is huge . In addition the others now being reported is still the tip of the iceberg . THEY ABSOLUTELY KNEW AND PROBABLY WERE IN CAHOOTS BETWEEN THE BROTHER WORKERS . This is just the beginning of the down fall of the truth at present day ! Taking in consideration that elders and others may be on that list . Survivor’s YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG 😑 PLEASE REMEMBER THAT . REACH OUT TO SEX ASSULT PROFESSIONAL’S
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 13:00:50 GMT -5
In closing , when I went through the 400+ of celebrations of his life….. There are power couples on there , wealthy as well . . There are bishops , deacons or elders . Whatever you call them ! Some are my offenders !
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Post by snow on Mar 29, 2023 13:44:13 GMT -5
I feel such compassion for those who were in his family and those who left glowing remarks on his memorial page. How they must feel now that this has been revealed to them. Such a shock to their initial feelings and beliefs about the man. Those close to him that really did not see what he was doing must also feel a lot of self chastisement for 'not seeing it'. It's human nature to blame ourselves for being betrayed and not seeing something we feel should have been obvious. So anyone that didn't see it and feels they should have, be kind to yourself. These people are very good at what they do. Especially when they can cover it up for as many decades as he did.
I also feel so much compassion for those that were his victims that never said anything. They are probably blaming themselves for not speaking out and maybe stopping him earlier. You are not to blame. Do not take this on. Sexual assault is one of the most traumatizing things anyone can have happen to them. I know because I was a survivor of rape at 17 and never reported it or talked about it for years. I was ashamed, scared and I felt I must have done something wrong to have brought this onto myself. I have had therapy and I now understand better how that is a very common place we go when we've been abused. Please do not blame yourself and if you can talk to someone to process the harm done to you, please reach out to those you trust.
One of the things that makes it so much easier for sexual assault to happen in these kinds of groups is because from a very young child we were taught that the workers were always right. At least that was how I was raised in the 50's and 60's. It might not be so much that way in the last few decades so I can't speak to that. But I'm sure there is still a very high level of respect for the workers that makes us trust them. When that trust is broken it's hard to handle it and there is a fear that we might be not believed. Unfortunately, I have read about many who were abused that did not get believed and were told to forgive and pray. I sincerely hope this last example of what is possible behavior of a worker, a person of higher responsibility like an elder etc. will cause the group to rethink how to reform some of the practices that makes it so easy for predators to get away with this in the group. My heartfelt hope is that this latest betrayal will bring needed changes so that those who love the format of the church in the home, conventions etc. can feel safer. Awareness is always a good thing and not believing in hero worship will help people be more alert to what can happen.
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Post by zachaeus on Mar 29, 2023 14:41:52 GMT -5
Who is Lauren Rohs???
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Post by mountain on Mar 29, 2023 15:13:37 GMT -5
Okay Bob, I'm asking ya! As things stand I am very angry at this new revelation. I am usually very guarded about speculation and supposition, instead looking to base my views and understanding on facts. However, it is early days yet and I find myself somewhat unrestrained due to my anger. I thought I had left all this stuff way in the past as previous engagements on the subject of CSA etc., had left me burned out. I don't know if you do facebook Mountain but there is a new group on there that is called ex 2x2 support group. You are not alone in being out for some time and still having this really trigger you. The group helps provide support and because they have been through it, you know they understand what you are saying. Hope this helps you if you wish to join. Hugs I'm triggered and I left young and 50+ years ago. I understand the anger. Many thanks Snow for your concern. The reason that I am very angry is because if they had taken heed to warnings and good advice 10-15 years ago a loy of what has happened during these years, such as that being currently discussed, could have been avoided. If I join a support group I will just end up making an idiot of myself!
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Post by mountain on Mar 29, 2023 15:18:27 GMT -5
I feel such compassion for those who were in his family and those who left glowing remarks on his memorial page. How they must feel now that this has been revealed to them. Such a shock to their initial feelings and beliefs about the man. Those close to him that really did not see what he was doing must also feel a lot of self chastisement for 'not seeing it'. It's human nature to blame ourselves for being betrayed and not seeing something we feel should have been obvious. So anyone that didn't see it and feels they should have, be kind to yourself. These people are very good at what they do. Especially when they can cover it up for as many decades as he did. I also feel so much compassion for those that were his victims that never said anything. They are probably blaming themselves for not speaking out and maybe stopping him earlier. You are not to blame. Do not take this on. Sexual assault is one of the most traumatizing things anyone can have happen to them. I know because I was a survivor of rape at 17 and never reported it or talked about it for years. I was ashamed, scared and I felt I must have done something wrong to have brought this onto myself. I have had therapy and I now understand better how that is a very common place we go when we've been abused. Please do not blame yourself and if you can talk to someone to process the harm done to you, please reach out to those you trust. One of the things that makes it so much easier for sexual assault to happen in these kinds of groups is because from a very young child we were taught that the workers were always right. At least that was how I was raised in the 50's and 60's. It might not be so much that way in the last few decades so I can't speak to that. But I'm sure there is still a very high level of respect for the workers that makes us trust them. When that trust is broken it's hard to handle it and there is a fear that we might be not believed. Unfortunately, I have read about many who were abused that did not get believed and were told to forgive and pray. I sincerely hope this last example of what is possible behavior of a worker, a person of higher responsibility like an elder etc. will cause the group to rethink how to reform some of the practices that makes it so easy for predators to get away with this in the group. My heartfelt hope is that this latest betrayal will bring needed changes so that those who love the format of the church in the home, conventions etc. can feel safer. Awareness is always a good thing and not believing in hero worship will help people be more alert to what can happen. Questioning a worker is like questioning God himself.
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Post by Vinny T. on Mar 29, 2023 15:59:11 GMT -5
So this is latest update sent to me by an insider . Yes a documentary is apparently being made. Efforts are being made re: resources for victims. The fb 2×2 support group is really great. Up to about 1200 members now. The case is not closed!!!! Ok NEW new update on the laptop case: The Clackamas County police were giving mixed information due to some confusion at the department . Ok NEW new update on the laptop case: We finally got ahold of the Sergeant who explained that the case IS open and active, however they cannot access the laptop without a victim in Clackamas County who believes there is evidence of the crime on the laptop and without a warrant to search the laptop. Thanks to my source . Omg what a great snooze . Thx to my doctor . I also remember Nathan stating he slept on the floor . Hhhhhhmmmmm ! Will update as I get updated . You can’t tell me that , some didn’t know . They sat on the information and deserve jail time . This is just the tip of the iceberg ! Hello there, This is my first post. I'd like to explain a few things that may not be apparent. I am posting to inform people what I know and I will not be guessing unless I state that based upon my experience and knowledge. Information is what people will be using to make decisions and the more accurate information people have the better decisions they can make. First of all I am not law enforcement but I have worked with and trained law enforcement for decades. I have talked to a couple close friends of mine who shall remain un-named because they gave me information that is not easily available. My reason for posting is that I have someone very close to me that has escaped this "religious sect" and the many types of abuse that have thrived from within the group due to its policies, procedures and the level of secrecy on how things are ran. Such as the severe lack of a real and documented organization, bank and financial records, membership records etc. They have thrived because of the lack of any accountability, and that they have severely discouraged people from reporting any and all issues. As well as not taken needed steps to prosecute those that have taken advantage of or harmed others in the various ways. They simply relocated them and that's not moral, ethical or should ever be done. It only "encourages" offenders to continue offending. I am going to list some things that pertain to this ongoing investigation as well as any investigation. These are basic principals that law enforcement adhere to in order to properly investigate this as well as anything. * There is an open case in Clackamas * I have seen an email that was from a patrol officer. Any patrol officer is not in charge of or involved in any investigation. They respond to 911 calls, emergencies and minor investigations. They are not involved in major investigations except on minor levels. * The bulk of major investigations as well as most investigations are left up to people that specialize in those areas such as sex crimes and financial crimes for example. They are called detectives. * Any detective or police officer cannot comment on an ongoing investigation. * Law enforcement cannot speak about those that are being investigated either. Not until such individuals are actually charged with a crime. Then it's public knowledge, albeit you have to look to know if someone is charged. * Law enforcement cannot speak about investigations in another jurisdiction or from another agency either as that is not their purview. * With regards to this investigation I can say that it is far bigger than most realize and it will not be finished quickly most likely. Reason being is they are being thorough and will make sure all avenues are covered. * I can also say that to "to my knowledge" this is going to be the biggest or one of the biggest sex crime cases involving a religious order in the United States. *** This has also been extended to the Federal side of things because and I am guessing on this but from what I do know there are crimes done by individuals in multiple States. *** Another reason it is a Federal case is because there is alot of money being exchanged for a large sect that doesn't have any financial records so to speak or bank accounts in said religious orders name. Private people are paying for an international religious organization with no orginization or records so to speak of and no oversight. * In order to have a case open there has to be a crime that is suspected to have been done. This case started before the laptop was compelled to be turned over. * A forensic accountant can get into any account that's connected to the laptop or owner of the laptop or the phone which was wiped and given away to my knowledge. They wiped the phone but alot of things are stored online. There is ALOT that's being done wrong by many people and this is not a good thing because there has been alot of abuse that's been done by many many people for a very long time. Including rape, child sexual abuse, assault, major financial crimes, coercion and others. There has been known sexual crimes where the victims have been coerced into not pressing charges and the offender has simply been moved to another state to continue offending. So very wrong on so many levels. This is all I am going to say for now. If anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to ask. I will do my best to help. I hope this clears alot of things up especially those that are not familiar with how the American Judicial Syatem and law enforcement procedures. Again I am not law enforcement but I have worked with them and know several people in multiple agencies that have told me things to help clear things up. I imagine it is hard to come forward but others need as many who have been harmed to come forward and report the abuse. It may get some semblance of closure for you as well as justice for others. God bless you all. Sincerely, Vinny T [/quote]
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Dean Bruer
Mar 29, 2023 16:27:38 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 29, 2023 16:27:38 GMT -5
So yet another worker speaking . My sources are well vetted
Dear LA, MS and AL Elders and Friends, This is to acknowledge the report of the misconduct of Dean Bruer, a worker/ overseer, now deceased, from OR, of whom you may be hearing about. The immoral conduct, that isn't to be named even once amongst the saints, how much less of servants, is condemned . For those who are hurt
by these actions, beginning with the victims, we pray that they may find the support needed from being believed and comforted in knowing that this is not tolerated amongst us. In the aftermath of this, my thoughts go back to the time that Dean last visited in LA. If there's anyone who had any unwelcome encounters with him at that time, I was not made aware of it. I'm keenly aware of the need to encourage everyone amongst us to be free to report to authorities anything, such as Child Sexual Abuse, or misconduct of servant or saint. Edit We on the LA, MS and AL staff of workers participate in an educational resource called Ministry Safe, which instructs us to be aware of Child Sexual Abuse and how to conduct oneself and ministry to be safe. On behalf of those of us in the ministry I offer thanks for your support and trust, and pledge to not betray that.
Your brother, [Robert Eberhardt]
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