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Post by chuck on Mar 27, 2023 0:49:07 GMT -5
Celibacy isn't normal. Adding power to the celibate people only increases the risk. What was the inconvenience of marriage?. Celibacy for God or even other gods has been around for a very very long time. Although we don't have a lot of detail about those that did it in the distant past it didn't seem to be a HUGE problem... As scripture says those that are celibate and single can have a much better focus on the task at hand than those who are not. "in the distant past it didn't seem to be a HUGE problem..." You are too naive wally. Focus much better on self endulgant religion was probably not what they were referring to but is more likely how you and many others interpret scripture to fit what you think it should mean by what you do with your rituals and traditions today and time past.
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Post by chuck on Mar 27, 2023 1:01:37 GMT -5
Another notification letter: Possibly by Rob Newman for CA/AZ workers (mentions "California Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Training") Please do not forward this letter. We would prefer that this letter not be directly shared with others to avoid needlessly harming anyone through indiscretion. Recently Doyle Smith and Scott Rauscher shared some very unfortunate and difficult information with us. We feel it imperative that we share this information with you in an effort to be transparent. We want you to be aware of this situation in Oregon and Montana so that when it comes up in conversation you will know these facts that have come to light in recent days. I would have rather visited each of you in person but time does not allow. We stand with our brethren in these matters. Considering how serious and shocking these facts are, we should be aware that this may deeply affect some of our friends. It would be good if we can be ready with His help to answer and comfort our friends who are trying to understand how this could have happened, and to point them to the One who has the answers. We should also mention the following: • Programs such as the “California Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Training” will help us to understand, recognize, and prevent such problems. • I will send an email to the elders in your fields shortly. They may wish to visit with you. If it makes it easier, they may call me or one of the older brothers on our staff. • We need to be discrete so as not to hurt anyone involved or affected, while in no way allowing any inappropriate behavior to go unreported. • If you learn of any victims, it is important to do your utmost to keep their identities private for their personal protection. Doyle very helpfully concluded his letter with the following paragraph: We sang recently, "All through the storm I see thy face beaming with love and with saving grace." Our desperate prayer for you all, especially anyone that has been hurt, is that G. will show Himself very strong. In Mark 4, the disciples found themselves in the worst storm of their life which caused a lot of distress. But at the conclusion of the storm there was a greater appreciation than ever for the miracle capacity Jesus had to deliver perfect peace despite storms. Our hearts desperately ache for the disappointment and sense of betrayal this will bring to countless hearts and again especially for the pain inflicted to victims. We pray the miracle somehow, someway, someday, will be as great as it was in Mark 4 for all. Keep close to God dear friends. There is an immense capacity in the hand of God to help us. Thank you for all the prayers we know this will generate! Irony: this letter not be directly shared with others vs. in an effort to be transparent. In today's world, that means: Let it circulate as gossip among people rumor makers who can't read our exact words and can't be trusted to believe or cope with the reality of what happened. Transparency, or CYA. When will the flock connect the dots and see reality is not matching their ideology. The measuring stick for godliness was Mr Bruers performance until they found out he messed up, but yet the measuring stick is still the same.......until they find out someone else messed up.....but the measuring stick is still the same...... Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness...... The measuring stick IS THE PROBLEM...and IMO one reason its a problem is because it comes before the individual or people dont rate as individuals if they dont measure up to the standard MR Bruer and his enablers have been setting........ Sorry bob not yelling at you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 1:25:55 GMT -5
Have ya ever heard of Adam and Eve? Moses? King David? Solomon? Judas? Ananias and Sapphira? Lots of people commit sins knowing full well the consequences. Some choose to ignore, some think they'll live long enough to correct it, some don't care. Sex, Power and Money makes people do evil sheet all the time. For many impulses aren't always controllable when in the moment. Should all evil impulses be controlled? Sure, but none of us are Jesus when it gets down to it. I need to revisit this one wally. Regardless of you religious gymnastics, he said she said, and all the other rubbish you posted. The long and the short of it is that clearly Dean Bruer didn't fear any kind of God, or an eternity of torture, which suggests he didn't believe any of that stuff to start with. A really interesting angle for a senior worker to take, which confirms what I said, 2x2 worker was simply a platform that enabled him to fulfill his perverted desires easily and without suspicion, while others including you, picked up the tab. It actually worked out perfectly for him, as he wasn't discovered publicly until after his death I'm sure you did... I doubt you know what was in his mind or heart even with the perversion set to the side... You have no clue either if someone had come forward early on or not... As I told your pal curly, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 1:31:07 GMT -5
Celibacy for God or even other gods has been around for a very very long time. Although we don't have a lot of detail about those that did it in the distant past it didn't seem to be a HUGE problem... As scripture says those that are celibate and single can have a much better focus on the task at hand than those who are not. "in the distant past it didn't seem to be a HUGE problem..." You are too naive wally. Focus much better on self endulgant religion was probably not what they were referring to but is more likely how you and many others interpret scripture to fit what you think it should mean by what you do with your rituals and traditions today and time past. Scripture is timeless... Naivete left me with my first beating at 2yo. Good try though...
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 27, 2023 1:33:04 GMT -5
I need to revisit this one wally. Regardless of you religious gymnastics, he said she said, and all the other rubbish you posted. The long and the short of it is that clearly Dean Bruer didn't fear any kind of God, or an eternity of torture, which suggests he didn't believe any of that stuff to start with. A really interesting angle for a senior worker to take, which confirms what I said, 2x2 worker was simply a platform that enabled him to fulfill his perverted desires easily and without suspicion, while others including you, picked up the tab. It actually worked out perfectly for him, as he wasn't discovered publicly until after his death I'm sure you did... I doubt you know what was in his mind or heart even with the perversion set to the side... You have no clue either if someone had come forward early on or not... As I told your pal curly, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... His actions speak far louder than his words ever did. If he was committing sexual abuse I can be fairly certain that is what was on his mind, and clearly completely unconcerned what kind of eternity that would earn him paints him as an unbeliever. Could you please explain the "glasshouse" that curly and I are apparently in?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 1:39:47 GMT -5
I'm sure you did... I doubt you know what was in his mind or heart even with the perversion set to the side... You have no clue either if someone had come forward early on or not... As I told your pal curly, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones... His actions speak far louder than his words ever did. If he was committing sexual abuse I can be fairly certain that is what was on his mind, and clearly completely unconcerned what kind of eternity that would earn him paints him as an unbeliever. Could you please explain the "glasshouse" that curly and I are apparently in? Your imaginations are your own. Do some research and you'll figure it out...
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 27, 2023 1:51:22 GMT -5
His actions speak far louder than his words ever did. If he was committing sexual abuse I can be fairly certain that is what was on his mind, and clearly completely unconcerned what kind of eternity that would earn him paints him as an unbeliever. Could you please explain the "glasshouse" that curly and I are apparently in? Your imaginations are your own. Do some research and you'll figure it out... I'd suggest that the sources I research on the matter are a lot more thorough and unbiased that any source you are able to access.
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 27, 2023 2:28:01 GMT -5
Have ya ever heard of Adam and Eve? Moses? King David? Solomon? Judas? Ananias and Sapphira? Lots of people commit sins knowing full well the consequences. Some choose to ignore, some think they'll live long enough to correct it, some don't care. Sex, Power and Money makes people do evil sheet all the time. For many impulses aren't always controllable when in the moment. Should all evil impulses be controlled? Sure, but none of us are Jesus when it gets down to it. I need to revisit this one wally. Regardless of you religious gymnastics, he said she said, and all the other rubbish you posted. The long and the short of it is that clearly Dean Bruer didn't fear any kind of God, or an eternity of torture, which suggests he didn't believe any of that stuff to start with. A really interesting angle for a senior worker to take, which confirms what I said, 2x2 worker was simply a platform that enabled him to fulfill his perverted desires easily and without suspicion, while others including you, picked up the tab. It actually worked out perfectly for him, as he wasn't discovered publicly until after his death I think it isn't quite as black and white as that. I have been involved in successful prosecutions of "men of the cloth" who were up to the same tricks, and in one case, considerably worse.
Remember Thomas' words, "Lord I believe, help my unbelief?" It is possible to have a mix of both, and the ratios change depending on the psych of the person, and the circumstance.
I would put Bruer in that category, and he probably enjoyed doing what he did, but hated himself for it, because of his belief.
We had one prosecution where the perpetrator actually expressed relief in being caught, so that it could stop.
It's not too different from a murderer where there is the death penalty. They don't disbelieve, they park it out of mind.
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 27, 2023 2:53:11 GMT -5
I need to revisit this one wally. Regardless of you religious gymnastics, he said she said, and all the other rubbish you posted. The long and the short of it is that clearly Dean Bruer didn't fear any kind of God, or an eternity of torture, which suggests he didn't believe any of that stuff to start with. A really interesting angle for a senior worker to take, which confirms what I said, 2x2 worker was simply a platform that enabled him to fulfill his perverted desires easily and without suspicion, while others including you, picked up the tab. It actually worked out perfectly for him, as he wasn't discovered publicly until after his death I think it isn't quite as black and white as that. I have been involved in successful prosecutions of "men of the cloth" who were up to the same tricks, and in one case, considerably worse.
Remember Thomas' words, "Lord I believe, help my unbelief?" It is possible to have a mix of both, and the ratios change depending on the psych of the person, and the circumstance.
I would put Bruer in that category, and he probably enjoyed doing what he did, but hated himself for it, because of his belief.
We had one prosecution where the perpetrator actually expressed relief in being caught, so that it could stop.
It's not too different from a murderer where there is the death penalty. They don't disbelieve, they park it out of mind. Thanks for the explanation, something wally was not equipped to provide. I guess I don't get that, because I'm not wired that way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 3:06:43 GMT -5
Your imaginations are your own. Do some research and you'll figure it out... I'd suggest that the sources I research on the matter are a lot more thorough and unbiased that any source you are able to access. I seriously doubt that...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 3:08:38 GMT -5
I need to revisit this one wally. Regardless of you religious gymnastics, he said she said, and all the other rubbish you posted. The long and the short of it is that clearly Dean Bruer didn't fear any kind of God, or an eternity of torture, which suggests he didn't believe any of that stuff to start with. A really interesting angle for a senior worker to take, which confirms what I said, 2x2 worker was simply a platform that enabled him to fulfill his perverted desires easily and without suspicion, while others including you, picked up the tab. It actually worked out perfectly for him, as he wasn't discovered publicly until after his death I think it isn't quite as black and white as that. I have been involved in successful prosecutions of "men of the cloth" who were up to the same tricks, and in one case, considerably worse.
Remember Thomas' words, "Lord I believe, help my unbelief?" It is possible to have a mix of both, and the ratios change depending on the psych of the person, and the circumstance.
I would put Bruer in that category, and he probably enjoyed doing what he did, but hated himself for it, because of his belief.
We had one prosecution where the perpetrator actually expressed relief in being caught, so that it could stop.
It's not too different from a murderer where there is the death penalty. They don't disbelieve, they park it out of mind. Well said...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 3:10:14 GMT -5
I think it isn't quite as black and white as that. I have been involved in successful prosecutions of "men of the cloth" who were up to the same tricks, and in one case, considerably worse.
Remember Thomas' words, "Lord I believe, help my unbelief?" It is possible to have a mix of both, and the ratios change depending on the psych of the person, and the circumstance.
I would put Bruer in that category, and he probably enjoyed doing what he did, but hated himself for it, because of his belief.
We had one prosecution where the perpetrator actually expressed relief in being caught, so that it could stop.
It's not too different from a murderer where there is the death penalty. They don't disbelieve, they park it out of mind. Thanks for the explanation, something wally was not equipped to provide. I guess I don't get that, because I'm not wired that way. Your inability to grasp isn't my or anyone elses problem.
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 27, 2023 3:13:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation, something wally was not equipped to provide. I guess I don't get that, because I'm not wired that way. Your inability to grasp isn't my or anyone elses problem. You can't seem to grasp that your "church" covers up a huge lie while moving pedos around the country to continue their offending.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 3:53:44 GMT -5
Your inability to grasp isn't my or anyone elses problem. You can't seem to grasp that your "church" covers up a huge lie while moving pedos around the country to continue their offending. Learned that in 2014 on TMB...keep up...
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Post by magpies39plus on Mar 27, 2023 5:55:48 GMT -5
WHAT IS NEW??? Here in Victoria the Celibate Ministry has been/is a great hiding place for Homo/Lesbians,sexual predators,and worst of all those with the mental illness of paedophelia,molesting children of pre pubecant children. In this State that history goes back to the late 1920's. Remember that not long ago 2, 2x2's preachers were given 6 months jail sentences,both with multi-victims. In around 1950 the story got out when a Dad found out one of his sons was homosexal,he belted him with a shovel,so where would hide that unatural trait??? YES,he entered the work. Years later he was one of the 2 preachers and one expreacher involved in the mental bipolar leading this beautiful young man to suicide. Also we heard many times that the cold ministry would say"Best we don't talk about it", "you will grow out of it" ,"they get these ideas into their minds from the bad company they must keep at school". One of the 2 that recieved the jail sentences was giving the position to council paedophile or other sexual "CRIMES" victims. As young teens at convention girls and boys would mention which preachers we did not in our district that year. They had so many of us in fear,parents mostly would not believe that one of God's (supposed true servants would do this,or you have mistaken that as it would not be that. As in 1 Corinthian 9,v,3-6 many of the disciples took their wives with them in their preaching journeys. Natural lives afford a natural life,an unatural (which includes an unbiblically demanded celibate life) will afford unatural people,won't it??
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 27, 2023 7:22:49 GMT -5
Dean Bruer ObituaryDean Eldon Bruer was born March 17, 1955, in Fargo, North Dakota to Raymond and Florence (Omdal) Bruer. Dean passed away June 21, 2022. Throughout Dean’s school years, his family lived in Hopkins, Minnesota, where he learned to play the violin. Dean professed on September 9, 1966 and was baptized on September 6, 1970. After high school, Dean completed a two-year collegiate program receiving an Associate of Science degree in Landscape Architecture and certifications as a Civil Engineering Technician and Architectural Technician. In April 1975, Dean and his friend, Verlyn Syverson, traveled to Alaska, a longtime dream of Dean’s. As a result of problems with their van, instead of traveling all the way on the Alaska Highway, they took the ferry from Prince Rupert, Canada, to Juneau. They were unaware there was a convention in Juneau that week. As it was the last ferry before convention, at each stop more of the friends boarded, ultimately totaling 99 headed to convention. After deciding to attend convention, Dean and Verlyn washed dishes with someone who suggested they apply for jobs on the Alaska ferry system where they could work a week and then have a week off to explore Alaska. They helped with teardown at Juneau on Monday, applied with the ferry system on Tuesday, and Dean was working on his first ferry on Thursday. After about five months, Dean changed jobs and went to work as an Associate Civil Engineer. Dean and his friend, Mike Robertson, took a four-month trip from November of 1975 to February of 1976 and visited a number of locations around the Pacific Ocean. These included: Hawaii; Samoa; New Zealand, where they attended two conventions; Australia; Jakarta, Indonesia; Singapore, where they were able to help at convention preps; Taiwan; Hong Kong; The Philippines and Japan. It was during this trip that Dean felt especially moved to the ministry. Dean’s 46-year service in the ministry began from Juneau, Alaska on July 6, 1976, and first spoke in a convention at Salmon Arm, British Columbia, Canada. He labored in Alaska for five years, fourteen years in Washington, two years in Montana, another five years in Alaska, fifteen years in Montana & Wyoming, and the last five years in Oregon & Southern Idaho. Dean also wrote numerous poems and hymns. Dean is fondly remembered from his time in the work by those he met and encouraged around the world. Notes from his companions and others he interacted with along the way remember him for his kind nature, the love he showed them, and being a true “brother” to all. He was faithful in reaching out to those he knew with encouraging thoughts and spiritual gems - and those are already missed. Among a multitude of remembrances, came the note from Sweden that Dean’s name sounds very close to the Swedish words, “din bror,” meaning, “your brother.” There could hardly be a more appropriate description of Dean. Dean is survived by his father, Raymond, and his mother, Florence of Peoria, Arizona; sister, Diane (Oran) Byers of Glendale, Arizona; sister Laurie (Mark) Phillips of Casa Grande, Arizona; three nieces - Brenda Byers of Tempe, Arizona; Rachel (Nathan) Lyon of Eureka, California; and Janae Phillips of Phoenix, Arizona; two uncles - Ernest (Etty) Bruer of Sayre, Pennsylvania/Tel Aviv, Israel; and Gordon Overby of Binford, North Dakota; as well as many cousins, fellow servants and friends.
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Post by chuck on Mar 27, 2023 8:17:31 GMT -5
"in the distant past it didn't seem to be a HUGE problem..." You are too naive wally. Focus much better on self endulgant religion was probably not what they were referring to but is more likely how you and many others interpret scripture to fit what you think it should mean by what you do with your rituals and traditions today and time past. Scripture is timeless... Naivete left me with my first beating at 2yo. Good try though... Is say Exodus 21 timeless?? Exodus 21:7-9 [7]And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. [8]If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. [9]And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
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Post by matisse on Mar 27, 2023 8:32:04 GMT -5
Dean Bruer didn't rise through the ranks to Overseer in a vacuum.
Where was the "Guidance of the Holy Spirit" across those decades as Senior Workers made decisions to give Dean Bauer more responsibility? Where was the "discernment" of the Workers in Power who gave Dean Bruer Power?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 9:26:53 GMT -5
Scripture is timeless... Naivete left me with my first beating at 2yo. Good try though... Is say Exodus 21 timeless?? Exodus 21:7-9 [7]And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. [8]If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. [9]And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. Well, that went right over your head, not surprised though fundamentalist Hebraic scholar...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 9:27:50 GMT -5
Dean Bruer didn't rise through the ranks to Overseer in a vacuum. Where was the "Guidance of the Holy Spirit" across those decades as Senior Workers made decisions to give Dean Bauer more responsibility? Where was the "discernment" of the Workers in Power who gave Dean Bruer Power? Ever heard of Satan the Father of lies?
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Post by mountain on Mar 27, 2023 9:41:35 GMT -5
Dean Bruer ObituaryDean Eldon Bruer was born March 17, 1955, in Fargo, North Dakota to Raymond and Florence (Omdal) Bruer. Dean passed away June 21, 2022. Throughout Dean’s school years, his family lived in Hopkins, Minnesota, where he learned to play the violin. Dean professed on September 9, 1966 and was baptized on September 6, 1970. After high school, Dean completed a two-year collegiate program receiving an Associate of Science degree in Landscape Architecture and certifications as a Civil Engineering Technician and Architectural Technician. In April 1975, Dean and his friend, Verlyn Syverson, traveled to Alaska, a longtime dream of Dean’s. As a result of problems with their van, instead of traveling all the way on the Alaska Highway, they took the ferry from Prince Rupert, Canada, to Juneau. They were unaware there was a convention in Juneau that week. As it was the last ferry before convention, at each stop more of the friends boarded, ultimately totaling 99 headed to convention. After deciding to attend convention, Dean and Verlyn washed dishes with someone who suggested they apply for jobs on the Alaska ferry system where they could work a week and then have a week off to explore Alaska. They helped with teardown at Juneau on Monday, applied with the ferry system on Tuesday, and Dean was working on his first ferry on Thursday. After about five months, Dean changed jobs and went to work as an Associate Civil Engineer. Dean and his friend, Mike Robertson, took a four-month trip from November of 1975 to February of 1976 and visited a number of locations around the Pacific Ocean. These included: Hawaii; Samoa; New Zealand, where they attended two conventions; Australia; Jakarta, Indonesia; Singapore, where they were able to help at convention preps; Taiwan; Hong Kong; The Philippines and Japan. It was during this trip that Dean felt especially moved to the ministry. Dean’s 46-year service in the ministry began from Juneau, Alaska on July 6, 1976, and first spoke in a convention at Salmon Arm, British Columbia, Canada. He labored in Alaska for five years, fourteen years in Washington, two years in Montana, another five years in Alaska, fifteen years in Montana & Wyoming, and the last five years in Oregon & Southern Idaho. Dean also wrote numerous poems and hymns. Dean is fondly remembered from his time in the work by those he met and encouraged around the world. Notes from his companions and others he interacted with along the way remember him for his kind nature, the love he showed them, and being a true “brother” to all. He was faithful in reaching out to those he knew with encouraging thoughts and spiritual gems - and those are already missed. Among a multitude of remembrances, came the note from Sweden that Dean’s name sounds very close to the Swedish words, “din bror,” meaning, “your brother.” There could hardly be a more appropriate description of Dean. Dean is survived by his father, Raymond, and his mother, Florence of Peoria, Arizona; sister, Diane (Oran) Byers of Glendale, Arizona; sister Laurie (Mark) Phillips of Casa Grande, Arizona; three nieces - Brenda Byers of Tempe, Arizona; Rachel (Nathan) Lyon of Eureka, California; and Janae Phillips of Phoenix, Arizona; two uncles - Ernest (Etty) Bruer of Sayre, Pennsylvania/Tel Aviv, Israel; and Gordon Overby of Binford, North Dakota; as well as many cousins, fellow servants and friends. Thanks for drawing the above to my attention. I must have overlooked it.
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Post by matisse on Mar 27, 2023 11:39:56 GMT -5
Dean Bruer didn't rise through the ranks to Overseer in a vacuum. Where was the "Guidance of the Holy Spirit" across those decades as Senior Workers made decisions to give Dean Bauer more responsibility? Where was the "discernment" of the Workers in Power who gave Dean Bruer Power? Ever heard of Satan the Father of lies? Yes, he is the lousy excuse you use for every time your god fails to show up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 11:59:08 GMT -5
Ever heard of Satan the Father of lies? Yes, he is the lousy excuse you use for every time your god fails to show up. He's very real and is very good at lies, what you believe now is a great example of what he can do...
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 27, 2023 12:24:52 GMT -5
Well as a survivor I am calm , not shaking , not crying not even stammering . That is a good spot to be in . I am choosing to honor my mom , as this is the anniversary of her passing . I am remembering all of the greatest memories of her . I feel her presence with me as my parents were always there to help me after my CSA nightmare . They were there for my daughter as well . My mom wasn’t a hugger , she was just a wonderful lady but was brought up in a family where emotions were low . However in her final years she would finally tell us that she loved us . I am grateful for the time we had together after my father died . I was finally able to conversation’s about her life and listening to her life story I never knew . We forged a greater understanding and a plateau of love ! I can’t imagine how this would affect my mom . I am truly glad she is not here to see this . For almost 80 years she stayed strong in her faith . However in the final years she had been bothered by certain things regarding the Truth ! Some reveals came about . So I decided to just go about my day with her memory being my focus . Again if you need support or help , please reach out to the resources available . Peace be with you if possible !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 13:05:30 GMT -5
Was "Officially" contacted by an elder today to be made aware of what happened. So, the WA/AK/ID only workers and elders are notified decision has either changed or is being ignored and relayed to everyone...
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Post by meaningofbeing on Mar 27, 2023 14:34:28 GMT -5
Who are you Wally? I'm new here but you seem to be fairly notorious so I'm just curious.
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 27, 2023 14:39:58 GMT -5
You can't seem to grasp that your "church" covers up a huge lie while moving pedos around the country to continue their offending. Learned that in 2014 on TMB...keep up... And yet here you are, quite happy, and in fact defensive of their lies and shenanigans. That's what had me decieved. And if your sources are better than mine, how is it that I was a party to that information around 1984, some 30 years earlier?
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 27, 2023 15:07:57 GMT -5
Learned that in 2014 on TMB...keep up... And yet here you are, quite happy, and in fact defensive of their lies and shenanigans. That's what had me decieved. And if your sources are better than mine, how is it that I was a party to that information around 1984, some 30 years earlier? Ditto, although a couple of years earlier. I met TM (ex worker) in Canada, who had been shipped out of our country just one step ahead of the law. It was after meeting him at a 'union meeting" that I got told the truth by JB (worker) when I returned back to NZ. JB was not impressed by the behaviour of the overseer(s) at the time, and said he should have faced the full force of the law.
Then there was another suspect, somewhere in the middle of the North Island, who's name I can't remember, but he got shifted.
Then there was an elder with a daughter in the work, who had many rumours floating around about him. Too well connected to be potted it seemed. And another well connected elder, who did get charged and convicted, but only received the proverbial slap with a wet bus ticket.
It seemed to me, that if you were well connected, family in the work, or a rich donor, then the protection squad would be in full force. If on the other hand you were seen to "not have the spirit", because you asked for financial transparency, the riot squad would be called in.
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