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Dean Bruer
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 15:16:34 GMT -5
Oh Verna I am . This is so disturbing to say the least . I received a phone call btw However the cold sores are attacking me . Which shows the affect/effect on me physically . But like you am I truly worried about my 2X2 ladies I message everyday to check on them . They will not hear this from me . I can’t imagine the hurt to them . But to be fair our family (cousins from Vancouver Island to St John , New Brunswick) have shared it . We were all professing at one time . So we are cross referencing our lists and memories .
Look after yourself Verna !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 15:22:02 GMT -5
How long has everyone known about this? I have known since March 23, 2023 @ 4:16 pm . From a contact who sent the letter to me . Admin has the timeline ! I released it immediately on TMB . Check the Admin site if you want to . Back to my tunes and cleaning , life still moves along ! Tomorrow is the Anniversary of my mom’s passing . I am truly thankful she is not here .
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 15:49:45 GMT -5
People need to understand that once you go through your worst time alone you really don't care who stays in your life anymore. True dat ! For the victims I hope you don’t feel alone .
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Post by matisse on Mar 26, 2023 16:00:55 GMT -5
I have to wonder if any of his victims tried to come forward in the past only to be dismissed or told to "forgive" and stay quiet.
If no victims tried to come forward, that is, imo, just as damning of the 2x2 culture. Senior workers claiming they knew nothing is not a good look, and, imo, not especially believable.
This has brought "mangochango" back to mind; I hope she is doing ok.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 16:10:37 GMT -5
I have to wonder if any of his victims tried to come forward in the past only to be dismissed or told to "forgive" and stay quiet. If no victims tried to come forward, that is, imo, just as damning of the 2x2 culture. Senior workers claiming they knew nothing is not a good look, and, imo, not especially believable. This has brought "mangochango" back to mind; I hope she is doing ok. I was told to just let it be . Don’t talk about it , it will be dealt with in your/their book of life , right before being baptized !
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 26, 2023 16:20:48 GMT -5
How long has everyone known about this? IMO: The workers and their lawyers are going to claim that they just found out and were on the verge of contacting the police themselves before those bitter worldlings did. Most likely, their will be sufficient evidence that they knew for months. Doyle and maybe one or two others will plea to mandatory reporting violation and do a bunch of community service like Jerome F did. Wwaaaah...persecution!!! Pragmatically, there is no way that this remained a secret for decades. The senior workers and powerful influential friends who bankroll the operation have almost certainly known for 30 years plus. But you know, harvest is great and the laborers are few! What's a little molestation compared to the eternal torture with molten sulfur that Jesus is going to mete out?
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Dean Bruer
Mar 26, 2023 17:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by mapi on Mar 26, 2023 17:53:03 GMT -5
How long has everyone known about this? IMO: The workers and their lawyers are going to claim that they just found out and were on the verge of contacting the police themselves before those bitter worldlings did. Most likely, their will be sufficient evidence that they knew for months. Doyle and maybe one or two others will plea to mandatory reporting violation and do a bunch of community service like Jerome F did. Wwaaaah...persecution!!! Pragmatically, there is no way that this remained a secret for decades. The senior workers and powerful influential friends who bankroll the operation have almost certainly known for 30 years plus. But you know, harvest is great and the laborers are few! What's a little molestation compared to the eternal torture with molten sulfur that Jesus is going to mete out?
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Post by mapi on Mar 26, 2023 17:56:45 GMT -5
How long has everyone known about this? His laptop needs to he released to the public..Heavily redacted to protect names and areas of contact. But let people know how evil he was and help families come forward who are to ashamed. IMO: The workers and their lawyers are going to claim that they just found out and were on the verge of contacting the police themselves before those bitter worldlings did. Most likely, their will be sufficient evidence that they knew for months. Doyle and maybe one or two others will plea to mandatory reporting violation and do a bunch of community service like Jerome F did. Wwaaaah...persecution!!! Pragmatically, there is no way that this remained a secret for decades. The senior workers and powerful influential friends who bankroll the operation have almost certainly known for 30 years plus. But you know, harvest is great and the laborers are few! What's a little molestation compared to the eternal torture with molten sulfur that Jesus is going to mete out?
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Post by mapi on Mar 26, 2023 18:08:38 GMT -5
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Dean Bruer
Mar 26, 2023 18:21:08 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 18:21:08 GMT -5
About 49 years ago we had a situation here in Calgary . It ended with a couple in love committing suicide after they were blamed for a deed and told they couldn’t have a relationship anymore . It was one gun with just one shot as they sat with their heads together . Recently one of the remaining sisters passed away . I went to the grave with her when I was 13 before I was excommunicated . They were buried together in Mountain View cemetery just before Chestermere Lake . . I like to think the couple are together and happy forever . I cannot give the names . The stakes are very high for young people . Support the victims please . It’s wasn’t CSA but RTS ! Mr B you may remember that one It is very serious Once again reach out if you are in a crisis . Call 311 , 211 , 811 , or 911 the police will attend with a crisis team .
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Post by mapi on Mar 26, 2023 19:02:59 GMT -5
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Post by mapi on Mar 26, 2023 19:12:08 GMT -5
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Dean Bruer
Mar 26, 2023 19:12:26 GMT -5
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Post by mapi on Mar 26, 2023 19:12:26 GMT -5
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Mar 26, 2023 19:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 26, 2023 19:36:13 GMT -5
This one also captures pictures of the massive funeral before it got deleted
https://www.tiktok.com/@kewleo9/video/7214339273388985605
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 26, 2023 19:59:05 GMT -5
Agreed ! We are playing the waiting game . Unfortunately the worker’s have lawyered up . People who are not guilty don’t usually lawyerup quickly . They don’t want any more information coming up . 50 years of that behavior is going to take time . Again if you are a VICTIM please speak if you can . I have provided a ID NUMBER FOR VICTIMS AND YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS . It is sad that people are terrified if they act . The trauma of a sexual assault stays with you forever . If there is going to be a proper police investigation, there will be no long string of leaking information. That is appropriate, because it's the gossip floating around that can destroy the findings of a proper investigation. Exactly - people going off half-cocked will achieve nothing productive.
We don't know what sort of phone he had, but generally, unless it has been factory reset, as opposed to wiped, we can usually forensically extract data that is needed. Apple's IOS can sometimes be a problem, but, again, there are ways.
If he had an Apple Phone, and a Macbook, the data can be recovered with the right forensic approach.
As well as credit cards, I would suspect someone guilty of the alleged behaviour would also find the use of cash, which is readily available, very handy due to it's lack of trail. Many prostitutes get paid in cash. No trail, no tax implications.
While Dean Bruer has escaped natural justice for the alleged crimes and mis-demeanors, it does seem inconceivable that no-one knew about it, especially if it was going for decades. And if that was so, was it covered up, were they blackmailed, were they paid to keep quite, or were the afraid of the "church police" culture among the elders and workers. And why the eight month delay? As Bob Woodward would ask, who knew what, when and where?
In saying that, I am aware of a case where a previous overseer in this county never told his companion where he was going, and just asked to be dropped at the airport. NM went to Australia, and his companion never knew, until someone else told him.
At this stage, Bruer is innocent until proven guilty, as are those who may have helped to cover his tracks.
As for who was to not receive the letter, they are very practised in the dark art of saying something, without saying it. The inference can be so strong that people actually believe they have been told. So many things are predicated without being told. You don't hear earrings being preached about, but you'd swear that people would thing they'd been told, as an example. The letter may have been sent as an attachment to an email, with the email body stating that it was for elders only. Or the words, "be wise who you share it with" being interpreted as not for the laity.
Time to take a deep breath, and let the system of justice takes it full and proper course, without anyone jeopardising the investigation.
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Post by mountain on Mar 26, 2023 21:15:28 GMT -5
Prags opined:
At this stage, Bruer is innocent until proven guilty, as are those who may have helped to cover his tracks.
As far as Bruer is concerned he will never be proved guilty in a court of law. It's too late for that. He is not here to stand trial or to defend himself and the sad thing is the whole matter will be left incomplete and unsatisfactory as a result. However, the enquiry must go on for the sake of the victims. They may need professional help and there is a social duty to ensure that happens. Also there may be co-accused or other offenders who may be traced through the enquiries, whether they are guilty of similar acts to what Bruer is accused of, or of covering up for him, etc.
He's got through the temporal net. The big fish has got away. He won't stand trial and be convicted in a court of law. Everyone who can should be doing all they can to ensure as many victims as possible are traced so that they can be asked if they wish to cooperate in the enquiries and/or if they wish professional help. Unfortunately many turn down these approaches due to feelings of guilt, shame or even because they have put the matter behind them and moved on with their lives. Some, very understandably just don't want their family members and friends to know about it. Their feelings must be respected. However the flip side of that is that any surviving accused persons could like Bruer escape justice. Putting victims before accused can have its down side, but sensitivities must be shown to their position first and foremost. After all they may conclude, what good can it do now. He's got away with it. They may then have to deal with all the stress and anxiety that accompanies such investigations and for what end? On the other hand there are those who need all the help they can get!
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 26, 2023 21:23:53 GMT -5
Prags opined: At this stage, Bruer is innocent until proven guilty, as are those who may have helped to cover his tracks.As far as Bruer is concerned he will never be proved guilty in a court of law. It's too late for that. He is not here to stand trial or to defend himself and the sad thing is the whole matter will be left incomplete and unsatisfactory as a result. However, the enquiry must go on for the sake of the victims. They may need professional help and there is a social duty to ensure that happens. Also there may be co-accused or other offenders who may be traced through the enquiries, whether they are guilty of similar acts to what Bruer is accused of, or of covering up for him, etc. He's got through the temporal net. The big fish has got away. He won't stand trial and be convicted in a court of law. Everyone who can should be doing all they can to ensure as many victims as possible are traced so that they can be asked if they wish to cooperate in the enquiries and/or if they wish professional help. Unfortunately many turn down these approaches due to feelings of guilt, shame or even because they have put the matter behind them and moved on with their lives. Some, very understandably just don't want their family members and friends to know about it. Their feelings must be respected. However the flip side of that is that any surviving accused persons could like Bruer escape justice. Putting victims before accused can have its down side, but sensitivities must be shown to their position first and foremost. After all they may conclude, what good can it do now. He's got away with it. They may then have to deal with all the stress and anxiety that accompanies such investigations and for what end? On the other hand there are those who need all the help they can get! When the data is examined, conclusions can be drawn. From that, there needs to be transparency by the church.
No one should be discouraged from coming forward, and preserving that status of the church in the eyes of it's members should not be a consideration.
Help and support for victims, and examining each tentacle of the investigation in order to prevent a re-occurrence should be the prime considerations.
If some were in the know, and chose to cover it up, and the investigation finds enough evidence of that to indict, then that should proceed.
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Post by verna on Mar 26, 2023 21:39:56 GMT -5
Prags opined: At this stage, Bruer is innocent until proven guilty, as are those who may have helped to cover his tracks.As far as Bruer is concerned he will never be proved guilty in a court of law. It's too late for that. He is not here to stand trial or to defend himself and the sad thing is the whole matter will be left incomplete and unsatisfactory as a result. However, the enquiry must go on for the sake of the victims. They may need professional help and there is a social duty to ensure that happens. Also there may be co-accused or other offenders who may be traced through the enquiries, whether they are guilty of similar acts to what Bruer is accused of, or of covering up for him, etc. He's got through the temporal net. The big fish has got away. He won't stand trial and be convicted in a court of law. Everyone who can should be doing all they can to ensure as many victims as possible are traced so that they can be asked if they wish to cooperate in the enquiries and/or if they wish professional help. Unfortunately many turn down these approaches due to feelings of guilt, shame or even because they have put the matter behind them and moved on with their lives. Some, very understandably just don't want their family members and friends to know about it. Their feelings must be respected. However the flip side of that is that any surviving accused persons could like Bruer escape justice. Putting victims before accused can have its down side, but sensitivities must be shown to their position first and foremost. After all they may conclude, what good can it do now. He's got away with it. They may then have to deal with all the stress and anxiety that accompanies such investigations and for what end? On the other hand there are those who need all the help they can get! When the data is examined, conclusions can be drawn. From that, there needs to be transparency by the church.
No one should be discouraged from coming forward, and preserving that status of the church in the eyes of it's members should not be a consideration.
Help and support for victims, and examining each tentacle of the investigation in order to prevent a re-occurrence should be the prime considerations.
If some were in the know, and chose to cover it up, and the investigation finds enough evidence of that to indict, then that should proceed.
From what I am observing “the church” has no idea what transparency even is. It is very discouraging.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 26, 2023 21:46:44 GMT -5
When the data is examined, conclusions can be drawn. From that, there needs to be transparency by the church.
No one should be discouraged from coming forward, and preserving that status of the church in the eyes of it's members should not be a consideration.
Help and support for victims, and examining each tentacle of the investigation in order to prevent a re-occurrence should be the prime considerations.
If some were in the know, and chose to cover it up, and the investigation finds enough evidence of that to indict, then that should proceed.
From what I am observing “the church” has no idea what transparency even is. It is very discouraging. They speak with forked tongue.
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 26, 2023 22:06:35 GMT -5
From what I am observing “the church” has no idea what transparency even is. It is very discouraging. They speak with forked tongue. One could also treat the 8 month delay with some scepticism.
Personally the letter smacks of a naive person doing the bare minimum, with the protection of the church being maximised over the support of victims.
We'll see.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 26, 2023 22:14:52 GMT -5
They speak with forked tongue. One could also treat the 8 month delay with some scepticism.
Personally the letter smacks of a naive person doing the bare minimum, with the protection of the church being maximised over the support of victims.
We'll see.
You are on to it. I will be staying in the hometown a couple of nights about the 18th so we could catch up. Ive had 5 months of fishing and hunting down south but look forward to being home in the BOP again.
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 26, 2023 22:36:17 GMT -5
One could also treat the 8 month delay with some scepticism.
Personally the letter smacks of a naive person doing the bare minimum, with the protection of the church being maximised over the support of victims.
We'll see.
You are on to it. I will be staying in the hometown a couple of nights about the 18th so we could catch up. Ive had 5 months of fishing and hunting down south but look forward to being home in the BOP again. At this stage, I intend to be around. Always happy to drop tools, beer at Joe's or Mike's Brewery?
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 27, 2023 0:05:22 GMT -5
Which raises the point that if Dean Bruer thought that God was watching and that he would burn for all eternity for what he was up to, he certainly wouldn't have done any of it. Which leaves the only logical conclusion that he didn't believe in God or eternity, he simply found a platform to fulfill his perverted desires, the rest was simply theatrics. Have ya ever heard of Adam and Eve? Moses? King David? Solomon? Judas? Ananias and Sapphira? Lots of people commit sins knowing full well the consequences. Some choose to ignore, some think they'll live long enough to correct it, some don't care. Sex, Power and Money makes people do evil sheet all the time. For many impulses aren't always controllable when in the moment. Should all evil impulses be controlled? Sure, but none of us are Jesus when it gets down to it. I need to revisit this one wally. Regardless of you religious gymnastics, he said she said, and all the other rubbish you posted. The long and the short of it is that clearly Dean Bruer didn't fear any kind of God, or an eternity of torture, which suggests he didn't believe any of that stuff to start with. A really interesting angle for a senior worker to take, which confirms what I said, 2x2 worker was simply a platform that enabled him to fulfill his perverted desires easily and without suspicion, while others including you, picked up the tab. It actually worked out perfectly for him, as he wasn't discovered publicly until after his death
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 27, 2023 0:07:53 GMT -5
You are on to it. I will be staying in the hometown a couple of nights about the 18th so we could catch up. Ive had 5 months of fishing and hunting down south but look forward to being home in the BOP again. At this stage, I intend to be around. Always happy to drop tools, beer at Joe's or Mike's Brewery? What's all this? Beers and I'm not going to be there?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 27, 2023 0:16:16 GMT -5
At this stage, I intend to be around. Always happy to drop tools, beer at Joe's or Mike's Brewery? What's all this? Beers and I'm not going to be there? I suppose we could invite you.
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Post by mountain on Mar 27, 2023 0:37:07 GMT -5
Prags opined: At this stage, Bruer is innocent until proven guilty, as are those who may have helped to cover his tracks.As far as Bruer is concerned he will never be proved guilty in a court of law. It's too late for that. He is not here to stand trial or to defend himself and the sad thing is the whole matter will be left incomplete and unsatisfactory as a result. However, the enquiry must go on for the sake of the victims. They may need professional help and there is a social duty to ensure that happens. Also there may be co-accused or other offenders who may be traced through the enquiries, whether they are guilty of similar acts to what Bruer is accused of, or of covering up for him, etc. He's got through the temporal net. The big fish has got away. He won't stand trial and be convicted in a court of law. Everyone who can should be doing all they can to ensure as many victims as possible are traced so that they can be asked if they wish to cooperate in the enquiries and/or if they wish professional help. Unfortunately many turn down these approaches due to feelings of guilt, shame or even because they have put the matter behind them and moved on with their lives. Some, very understandably just don't want their family members and friends to know about it. Their feelings must be respected. However the flip side of that is that any surviving accused persons could like Bruer escape justice. Putting victims before accused can have its down side, but sensitivities must be shown to their position first and foremost. After all they may conclude, what good can it do now. He's got away with it. They may then have to deal with all the stress and anxiety that accompanies such investigations and for what end? On the other hand there are those who need all the help they can get! When the data is examined, conclusions can be drawn. From that, there needs to be transparency by the church. No one should be discouraged from coming forward, and preserving that status of the church in the eyes of it's members should not be a consideration.
Help and support for victims, and examining each tentacle of the investigation in order to prevent a re-occurrence should be the prime considerations. If some were in the know, and chose to cover it up, and the investigation finds enough evidence of that to indict, then that should proceed. Exactly. I hope you don't think that I thought otherwise. However no 'victim' should be pressurised to cooperate no matter how desirable that may be. Their welfare must come first.
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Post by mountain on Mar 27, 2023 0:43:33 GMT -5
How long has everyone known about this? IMO: The workers and their lawyers are going to claim that they just found out and were on the verge of contacting the police themselves before those bitter worldlings did. Most likely, their will be sufficient evidence that they knew for months. Doyle and maybe one or two others will plea to mandatory reporting violation and do a bunch of community service like Jerome F did. Wwaaaah...persecution!!! Pragmatically, there is no way that this remained a secret for decades. The senior workers and powerful influential friends who bankroll the operation have almost certainly known for 30 years plus. But you know, harvest is great and the laborers are few! What's a little molestation compared to the eternal torture with molten sulfur that Jesus is going to mete out? At the moment, I suspect that beyond a few people, most of us know little more than what's been disclosed on this board over the last couple of days. Who knew what and when, must have, etc., are very speculative questions.
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Post by mountain on Mar 27, 2023 0:45:59 GMT -5
Have ya ever heard of Adam and Eve? Moses? King David? Solomon? Judas? Ananias and Sapphira? Lots of people commit sins knowing full well the consequences. Some choose to ignore, some think they'll live long enough to correct it, some don't care. Sex, Power and Money makes people do evil sheet all the time. For many impulses aren't always controllable when in the moment. Should all evil impulses be controlled? Sure, but none of us are Jesus when it gets down to it. I need to revisit this one wally. Regardless of you religious gymnastics, he said she said, and all the other rubbish you posted. The long and the short of it is that clearly Dean Bruer didn't fear any kind of God, or an eternity of torture, which suggests he didn't believe any of that stuff to start with. A really interesting angle for a senior worker to take, which confirms what I said, 2x2 worker was simply a platform that enabled him to fulfill his perverted desires easily and without suspicion, while others including you, picked up the tab. It actually worked out perfectly for him, as he wasn't discovered publicly until after his deathDoes anyone know what age Breur was when he abandoned mortality? Was he overseer right up until his death?
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