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Post by chuck on Mar 26, 2023 0:59:54 GMT -5
What we are witnessing is the result of celibacy..... This is complicated. First they do away with married workers because it was an inconvenience. But it remains a calling that is attractive to anyone who doesn't come to terms with his/her sexuality. Celibacy isn't normal. Adding power to the celibate people only increases the risk. What was the inconvenience of marriage?.
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Post by Dan on Mar 26, 2023 1:21:26 GMT -5
What we are witnessing is the result of celibacy.....
Not necessarily, there are many celibate people who don't engage in sexual promiscuity, and there are married people who have been convicted of CSA. What we are witnessing is perversion.
What I don't get is how a Worker could lure underage people to a motel room? Where were the parents? If the first victim had come forth, how many others could have been saved from such abuse?
If any preacher wants to spend some alone time with one of your kids, all kinds of warning lights should start flashing!
Obituary quote; "Dean is fondly remembered from his time in the work by those he met and encouraged....Notes from his companions and others he interacted with along the way remember him for his kind nature, the love he showed them, and being a true “brother” to all.... He was faithful in reaching out to those he knew" Wow! Me thinks there were 2 sides to that coin, he certainly pulled the wool over some trusting eyes. Its just sad, if you can't even trust an Overseer, who can you trust in this crazy world?
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Post by chuck on Mar 26, 2023 3:42:46 GMT -5
What we are witnessing is the result of celibacy.....
Not necessarily, there are many celibate people who don't engage in sexual promiscuity, and there are married people who have been convicted of CSA. What we are witnessing is perversion.
What I don't get is how a Worker could lure underage people to a motel room? Where were the parents? If the first victim had come forth, how many others could have been saved from such abuse?
If any preacher wants to spend some alone time with one of your kids, all kinds of warning lights should start flashing!
Obituary quote; "Dean is fondly remembered from his time in the work by those he met and encouraged....Notes from his companions and others he interacted with along the way remember him for his kind nature, the love he showed them, and being a true “brother” to all.... He was faithful in reaching out to those he knew" Wow! Me thinks there were 2 sides to that coin, he certainly pulled the wool over some trusting eyes. Its just sad, if you can't even trust an Overseer, who can you trust in this crazy world?
I was meaning the risk increases. What they are doing is unnatural, this increases the risk, they would be far better off having a partner or spouse or even just consensual one off stuff. The risk while still there would substantially decreased, the only reason the risk is increased is sefl endulgant religous satisfaction.....its rediculous, its known in scripture as will fully sinning... Have you ever wondered why the virgin Mary is idolized........she the perfect women for a priest!....... As for who can you trust, you definitely dont trust people whose main tool of trade is guilt.
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Post by mountain on Mar 26, 2023 5:07:38 GMT -5
At the time I posted, it had been stated the laptop and phone had been seized (handed over). We have since learned this was not the case with the phone and that it had been cleared. However, that situation may still be retrievable, I'm not sure? However, if they get the names of associated suspects, their phones and laptops can be seized. Yes that's the last I heard. That they only have the laptop. But you're right. If there are names on the laptop then cell phones and computers named would be looked at too. But there is no reason why that phone can't be handed over. Surely the person that handed out the phoned that was wiped knows which worker got it and can go to them and ask them to turn it over. That will happen yet. No way are the authorities going to accept the word of a worker saying the phone was wiped and given to someone else without checking out the matter.
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Post by mountain on Mar 26, 2023 5:15:14 GMT -5
What we are witnessing is the result of celibacy..... 'Required celibacy!'
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Post by chuck on Mar 26, 2023 7:51:17 GMT -5
What we are witnessing is the result of celibacy..... 'Required celibacy!' That's probably more accurate, thanks.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 8:21:37 GMT -5
Yes that's the last I heard. That they only have the laptop. But you're right. If there are names on the laptop then cell phones and computers named would be looked at too. But there is no reason why that phone can't be handed over. Surely the person that handed out the phoned that was wiped knows which worker got it and can go to them and ask them to turn it over. That will happen yet. No way are the authorities going to accept the word of a worker saying the phone was wiped and given to someone else without checking out the matter. Getting the phone would be awesome . Many people believe when they wipe a phone the data is gone . However the specialists in the police will be able to retrieve the data . It has landed many in jail by their own words , texts and messages . They will get the phone . But the worker’s having legal representation already , is disturbing 😳 . It is almost like they know they are in trouble . A big huge thank you to the person that kept a copy of the letter . The thought of the steps of a private investigator is phenomenal and due diligence has brought this out . PLEASE FOCUS ON THE VICTIMS !!!!! It is a horrible experience and they will carry that trauma for the rest of their life .
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Post by openingact34 on Mar 26, 2023 8:37:25 GMT -5
So, my own verifying adventure. I suggest everyone verify this on your own, it's the only right and rational thing to do instead of going by something spread on the internet. Contacted my 2 locals on this. 1 responded quite quickly and thoroughly the other is 2000 miles away. The Letter is legit. Who posted it to the internet is unknown. The Letter was meant for EVERYONE in Oregon but was sent to elders to read to their respective churches, no options on this. So, I was 1/2 right and 1/2 wrong. The Letter has been shared with multiple states how many is unclear and at least Canada, unknown if other countries are included. How every area is addressing it is unknown. WA/ID/AK all workers and elders know of it the laity do not, when I said there was there was no word there has been no word. That may change on Sunday Phone calls are starting to come in. Hmm It seems that your verification investigation has only checked that the letter was truly written by the workers and not some bitter ex. But it could still be a fake and conspiracy executed by the current workers. Maybe they had an axe to grind against Dean. Or figure that a made up story will raise their own profile or cover up their own crimes. I think you need to push them relentlessly, make them publish actual evidence if they are going to make these claims publicly.
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Post by mapi on Mar 26, 2023 8:41:39 GMT -5
How long has everyone known about this?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 8:44:56 GMT -5
Agreed ! We are playing the waiting game . Unfortunately the worker’s have lawyered up . People who are not guilty don’t usually lawyerup quickly . They don’t want any more information coming up . 50 years of that behavior is going to take time . Again if you are a VICTIM please speak if you can . I have provided a ID NUMBER FOR VICTIMS AND YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS . It is sad that people are terrified if they act . The trauma of a sexual assault stays with you forever .
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Post by nswelshman on Mar 26, 2023 8:51:38 GMT -5
Agreed ! We are playing the waiting game . Unfortunately the worker’s have lawyered up . People who are not guilty don’t usually lawyerup quickly . They don’t want any more information coming up . 50 years of that behavior is going to take time . Again if you are a VICTIM please speak if you can . I have provided a ID NUMBER FOR VICTIMS AND YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS . It is sad that people are terrified if they act . The trauma of a sexual assault stays with you forever . In the US only idiots and the poor don't lawyer up. They would be foolish not to.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 9:05:58 GMT -5
The stakes are high ! So not really surprising that they lawyered up . My mom and grandparents left a treasure chest of lists and pictures of worker’s . Including the first worker’s that came from Japan I can confirm by 99% my parents knew of Dean . I have been going through the lists and pictures that I will turn over to CPS as I continue to supply what I find and what is sent to me . Tomorrow is the anniversary of her passing . So glad she is not here for this ! AGAIN I HAVE POSTED A CASE NUMBER FOR CANADA TO REPORT ! Back to sleep
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 9:08:09 GMT -5
Agreed ! We are playing the waiting game . Unfortunately the worker’s have lawyered up . People who are not guilty don’t usually lawyerup quickly . They don’t want any more information coming up . 50 years of that behavior is going to take time . Again if you are a VICTIM please speak if you can . I have provided a ID NUMBER FOR VICTIMS AND YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS . It is sad that people are terrified if they act . The trauma of a sexual assault stays with you forever . In the US only idiots and the poor don't lawyer up. They would be foolish not to. So true !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 9:21:29 GMT -5
This is complicated. First they do away with married workers because it was an inconvenience. But it remains a calling that is attractive to anyone who doesn't come to terms with his/her sexuality. Celibacy isn't normal. Adding power to the celibate people only increases the risk. What was the inconvenience of marriage?. Celibacy for God or even other gods has been around for a very very long time. Although we don't have a lot of detail about those that did it in the distant past it didn't seem to be a HUGE problem... As scripture says those that are celibate and single can have a much better focus on the task at hand than those who are not.
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 26, 2023 9:22:17 GMT -5
So now we are suppose to consult the workers about CSA when they are all "enablers of CSA". What happened to going to the police first? And leave workers out of it? Just to be clear....it was a worker who wrote the letter. Not the police. FYI: Doyle Smith is the current Overseeer of Oregon and S. Idaho. He took Dean Bruer's place
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 26, 2023 10:16:00 GMT -5
Another notification letter: Possibly by Rob Newman for CA/AZ workers (mentions "California Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Training")
Please do not forward this letter. We would prefer that this letter not be directly shared with others to avoid needlessly harming anyone through indiscretion.
Recently Doyle Smith and Scott Rauscher shared some very unfortunate and difficult information with us. We feel it imperative that we share this information with you in an effort to be transparent. We want you to be aware of this situation in Oregon and Montana so that when it comes up in conversation you will know these facts that have come to light in recent days. I would have rather visited each of you in person but time does not allow.
We stand with our brethren in these matters. Considering how serious and shocking these facts are, we should be aware that this may deeply affect some of our friends. It would be good if we can be ready with His help to answer and comfort our friends who are trying to understand how this could have happened, and to point them to the One who has the answers.
We should also mention the following:
• Programs such as the “California Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Training” will help us to understand, recognize, and prevent such problems.
• I will send an email to the elders in your fields shortly. They may wish to visit with you. If it makes it easier, they may call me or one of the older brothers on our staff.
• We need to be discrete so as not to hurt anyone involved or affected, while in no way allowing any inappropriate behavior to go unreported.
• If you learn of any victims, it is important to do your utmost to keep their identities private for their personal protection.
Doyle very helpfully concluded his letter with the following paragraph:
We sang recently, "All through the storm I see thy face beaming with love and with saving grace." Our desperate prayer for you all, especially anyone that has been hurt, is that G. will show Himself very strong. In Mark 4, the disciples found themselves in the worst storm of their life which caused a lot of distress. But at the conclusion of the storm there was a greater appreciation than ever for the miracle capacity Jesus had to deliver perfect peace despite storms. Our hearts desperately ache for the disappointment and sense of betrayal this will bring to countless hearts and again especially for the pain inflicted to victims. We pray the miracle somehow, someway, someday, will be as great as it was in Mark 4 for all.
Keep close to God dear friends. There is an immense capacity in the hand of God to help us. Thank you for all the prayers we know this will generate!
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Dean Bruer
Mar 26, 2023 10:24:44 GMT -5
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 10:24:44 GMT -5
Unbelievable , well not really
we should be aware that this may deeply affect some of our friends. It would be good if we can be ready with His help to answer and comfort our friends who are trying to understand how this could have happened, and to point them to the One who has the answers.
What about the victims ? No prayers are going to help the victims . It is cruel , as more than the FRIENDS ARE DEALING WITH THIS ! Why so secretive ?
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Post by verna on Mar 26, 2023 10:54:44 GMT -5
Another notification letter: Possibly by Rob Newman for CA/AZ workers (mentions "California Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Training") Please do not forward this letter. We would prefer that this letter not be directly shared with others to avoid needlessly harming anyone through indiscretion. Recently Doyle Smith and Scott Rauscher shared some very unfortunate and difficult information with us. We feel it imperative that we share this information with you in an effort to be transparent. We want you to be aware of this situation in Oregon and Montana so that when it comes up in conversation you will know these facts that have come to light in recent days. I would have rather visited each of you in person but time does not allow. We stand with our brethren in these matters. Considering how serious and shocking these facts are, we should be aware that this may deeply affect some of our friends. It would be good if we can be ready with His help to answer and comfort our friends who are trying to understand how this could have happened, and to point them to the One who has the answers. We should also mention the following: • Programs such as the “California Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Training” will help us to understand, recognize, and prevent such problems. • I will send an email to the elders in your fields shortly. They may wish to visit with you. If it makes it easier, they may call me or one of the older brothers on our staff. • We need to be discrete so as not to hurt anyone involved or affected, while in no way allowing any inappropriate behavior to go unreported. • If you learn of any victims, it is important to do your utmost to keep their identities private for their personal protection. Doyle very helpfully concluded his letter with the following paragraph: We sang recently, "All through the storm I see thy face beaming with love and with saving grace." Our desperate prayer for you all, especially anyone that has been hurt, is that G. will show Himself very strong. In Mark 4, the disciples found themselves in the worst storm of their life which caused a lot of distress. But at the conclusion of the storm there was a greater appreciation than ever for the miracle capacity Jesus had to deliver perfect peace despite storms. Our hearts desperately ache for the disappointment and sense of betrayal this will bring to countless hearts and again especially for the pain inflicted to victims. We pray the miracle somehow, someway, someday, will be as great as it was in Mark 4 for all. Keep close to God dear friends. There is an immense capacity in the hand of God to help us. Thank you for all the prayers we know this will generate! Just advocating for more secrecy. So sad and upsetting. I am so worried about my family but the real truth needs to come out.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 10:56:02 GMT -5
Well here is transparency
So let’s effing be transparent ! Yesterday I received a call from area code 206 . Google it ! I have handed it over to CPS in Calgary . There is a risk to those who speak out ! Be careful folks , dirty deeds continue even though they ask people not to talk or share . My reply was 4 words . Which I will not repeat . We have sat on this info and discussed with a few !
Mukilteo and around the area including Seattle to be exact !
That was yesterday at 2:33 pm Today 2:33 PM < Recents (206) 803-XXXX No secrecy at all . I am fine and safe , thx for the messages of concern . I wish it was not true . No it’s not delusional ! Signing off till I receive more tips that I can share legally . Yes it is doing a number on me and my mental health . However I will continue to advocate against this vile reveal !
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Mar 26, 2023 11:07:08 GMT -5
Verna I am so worried for so many of the friends . Yes Verna the TRUTH NEEDS TO COME OUT ! Especially the ones I message with every day ! On is 93 years old . I will be at my doctor tomorrow . I am physically sick 🤢
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 26, 2023 14:39:46 GMT -5
What we are witnessing is the result of celibacy..... Not necessarily,
Of course not necessarily. But there are other places to be non-celebate if you want to be. You just ain't been there, buddy. You ain't seen what any of these miscreants have been up to. And the reason why is because anyone who could have told you about it was risking going to hell. [/b]" [/quote] Platitudes and posturing. "Those he knew" are/were the first normal victims. When I was babysitting my 4 year old grandson, I politely denied him an afternoon stroll with a brother worker one afternoon. But someone in my meeting let her little daughter sleep in a cot in a room with a brother worker. I rest my case.
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Post by verna on Mar 26, 2023 14:45:40 GMT -5
Verna I am so worried for so many of the friends . Yes Verna the TRUTH NEEDS TO COME OUT ! Especially the ones I message with every day ! On is 93 years old . I will be at my doctor tomorrow . I am physically sick 🤢 Take care of yourself. I am worried and sick about this too.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 26, 2023 14:50:07 GMT -5
This is complicated. First they do away with married workers because it was an inconvenience. But it remains a calling that is attractive to anyone who doesn't come to terms with his/her sexuality. Celibacy isn't normal. Adding power to the celibate people only increases the risk. What was the inconvenience of marriage?. No, celibacy is NOT normal. And the workers know that. And they can't police themselves in any ethical manner. Their story resembles that of the gods and goddesses of Greek mythology.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 26, 2023 14:52:14 GMT -5
Yes that's the last I heard. That they only have the laptop. But you're right. If there are names on the laptop then cell phones and computers named would be looked at too. But there is no reason why that phone can't be handed over. Surely the person that handed out the phoned that was wiped knows which worker got it and can go to them and ask them to turn it over. That will happen yet. No way are the authorities going to accept the word of a worker saying the phone was wiped and given to someone else without checking out the matter. You're absolutely right.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 26, 2023 14:55:52 GMT -5
That will happen yet. No way are the authorities going to accept the word of a worker saying the phone was wiped and given to someone else without checking out the matter. Getting the phone would be awesome . Many people believe when they wipe a phone the data is gone . However the specialists in the police will be able to retrieve the data . It has landed many in jail by their own words , texts and messages . They will get the phone . But the worker’s having legal representation already , is disturbing 😳 . It is almost like they know they are in trouble . A big huge thank you to the person that kept a copy of the letter . The thought of the steps of a private investigator is phenomenal and due diligence has brought this out . PLEASE FOCUS ON THE VICTIMS !!!!! It is a horrible experience and they will carry that trauma for the rest of their life . When it happens, and someone sues the ministry for damages, then the $hit will have really hit the fan. The judgement will not take into account how much the perpetrator has to take, or the ministry who gave him the assignment.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 26, 2023 14:56:19 GMT -5
That will happen yet. No way are the authorities going to accept the word of a worker saying the phone was wiped and given to someone else without checking out the matter. Getting the phone would be awesome . Many people believe when they wipe a phone the data is gone . However the specialists in the police will be able to retrieve the data . It has landed many in jail by their own words , texts and messages . They will get the phone . But the worker’s having legal representation already , is disturbing 😳 . It is almost like they know they are in trouble . A big huge thank you to the person that kept a copy of the letter . The thought of the steps of a private investigator is phenomenal and due diligence has brought this out . PLEASE FOCUS ON THE VICTIMS !!!!! It is a horrible experience and they will carry that trauma for the rest of their life . When it happens, and someone sues the ministry for damages, then the $hit will have really hit the fan. The judgement will not take into account how much the perpetrator has to take, or the ministry who gave him the assignment.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 26, 2023 14:59:36 GMT -5
Agreed ! We are playing the waiting game . Unfortunately the worker’s have lawyered up . People who are not guilty don’t usually lawyerup quickly . They don’t want any more information coming up . 50 years of that behavior is going to take time . Again if you are a VICTIM please speak if you can . I have provided a ID NUMBER FOR VICTIMS AND YOU CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS . It is sad that people are terrified if they act . The trauma of a sexual assault stays with you forever . If there is going to be a proper police investigation, there will be no long string of leaking information. That is appropriate, because it's the gossip floating around that can destroy the findings of a proper investigation.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 26, 2023 15:10:57 GMT -5
Another notification letter: Possibly by Rob Newman for CA/AZ workers (mentions "California Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Training") Please do not forward this letter. We would prefer that this letter not be directly shared with others to avoid needlessly harming anyone through indiscretion. Recently Doyle Smith and Scott Rauscher shared some very unfortunate and difficult information with us. We feel it imperative that we share this information with you in an effort to be transparent. We want you to be aware of this situation in Oregon and Montana so that when it comes up in conversation you will know these facts that have come to light in recent days. I would have rather visited each of you in person but time does not allow. We stand with our brethren in these matters. Considering how serious and shocking these facts are, we should be aware that this may deeply affect some of our friends. It would be good if we can be ready with His help to answer and comfort our friends who are trying to understand how this could have happened, and to point them to the One who has the answers. We should also mention the following: • Programs such as the “California Child Abuse Mandated Reporter Training” will help us to understand, recognize, and prevent such problems. • I will send an email to the elders in your fields shortly. They may wish to visit with you. If it makes it easier, they may call me or one of the older brothers on our staff. • We need to be discrete so as not to hurt anyone involved or affected, while in no way allowing any inappropriate behavior to go unreported. • If you learn of any victims, it is important to do your utmost to keep their identities private for their personal protection. Doyle very helpfully concluded his letter with the following paragraph: We sang recently, "All through the storm I see thy face beaming with love and with saving grace." Our desperate prayer for you all, especially anyone that has been hurt, is that G. will show Himself very strong. In Mark 4, the disciples found themselves in the worst storm of their life which caused a lot of distress. But at the conclusion of the storm there was a greater appreciation than ever for the miracle capacity Jesus had to deliver perfect peace despite storms. Our hearts desperately ache for the disappointment and sense of betrayal this will bring to countless hearts and again especially for the pain inflicted to victims. We pray the miracle somehow, someway, someday, will be as great as it was in Mark 4 for all. Keep close to God dear friends. There is an immense capacity in the hand of God to help us. Thank you for all the prayers we know this will generate! Irony: this letter not be directly shared with others vs. in an effort to be transparent. In today's world, that means: Let it circulate as gossip among people rumor makers who can't read our exact words and can't be trusted to believe or cope with the reality of what happened. Transparency, or CYA.
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