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Post by snow on Sept 14, 2022 16:07:56 GMT -5
I apologize if there has already been a thread on this subject. I haven't read everything and I'm not up to date. Here is a video I wanted to share for discussion.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 14, 2022 16:27:50 GMT -5
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Post by help on Sept 14, 2022 17:13:38 GMT -5
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. Lucius Annaeus Seneca
Religion should always be kept separate from the State. That enables the country to function democratically, representing all people, not those of a particular faith. The people belonging to the minority communities can otherwise be harmed by the domination of the majority and there can be an infringement of Fundamental Rights. Fundamental Rights of all people are much more important than a range of different Religious Rights.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2022 18:17:28 GMT -5
I apologize if there has already been a thread on this subject. I haven't read everything and I'm not up to date. Here is a video I wanted to share for discussion. So in the first Amendment which is being used to promote "separation of church and state" does not mention restricting Christians from having a roll in Gov't but it clearly states that the Gov't shall have no roll in religion.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2022 0:59:48 GMT -5
I apologize if there has already been a thread on this subject. I haven't read everything and I'm not up to date. Here is a video I wanted to share for discussion. So in the first Amendment which is being used to promote "separation of church and state" does not mention restricting Christians from having a roll in Gov't but it clearly states that the Gov't shall have no roll in religion. We understand that you have no idea how to have a conversation about anything without turning it into a sermon about either going to hell or obeying whatever you believe to be true Christianity. The first amendment was made so that individuals of your ilk would not turn the country into a theocratic dictatorship.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 1:18:00 GMT -5
So in the first Amendment which is being used to promote "separation of church and state" does not mention restricting Christians from having a roll in Gov't but it clearly states that the Gov't shall have no roll in religion. We understand that you have no idea how to have a conversation about anything without turning it into a sermon about either going to hell or obeying whatever you believe to be true Christianity. The first amendment was made so that individuals of your ilk would not turn the country into a theocratic dictatorship. Well that is clearly a lie....typical from you...
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2022 1:19:14 GMT -5
We understand that you have no idea how to have a conversation about anything without turning it into a sermon about either going to hell or obeying whatever you believe to be true Christianity. The first amendment was made so that individuals of your ilk would not turn the country into a theocratic dictatorship. Well that is clearly a lie....typical from you... It's called an alternative fact. Get with it, man.
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Post by matisse on Sept 15, 2022 3:13:47 GMT -5
I apologize if there has already been a thread on this subject. I haven't read everything and I'm not up to date. Here is a video I wanted to share for discussion. So in the first Amendment which is being used to promote "separation of church and state" does not mention restricting Christians from having a roll in Gov't but it clearly states that the Gov't shall have no roll in religion. Roll over Beethoven
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 3:21:52 GMT -5
So in the first Amendment which is being used to promote "separation of church and state" does not mention restricting Christians from having a roll in Gov't but it clearly states that the Gov't shall have no roll in religion. Roll over Beethoven An asinine comment with no merit...
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Post by snow on Sept 15, 2022 12:17:46 GMT -5
I apologize if there has already been a thread on this subject. I haven't read everything and I'm not up to date. Here is a video I wanted to share for discussion. So in the first Amendment which is being used to promote "separation of church and state" does not mention restricting Christians from having a roll in Gov't but it clearly states that the Gov't shall have no roll in religion. Religious laws were never supposed to have any influence on government. However, it's pretty hard to completely separate religion from government because Christians usually are in government and their mindsets already taint the whole system just because of their beliefs. But it has always been meant to be leaders of any religion should be as secular in their governing as possible. So those Christians who have decided that they want to end the division between church and state are not doing what their forefathers wanted for the country. The whole reason why the US was populated by white people in the beginning was so that they could get away from religious laws that they didn't like in the 'old country'. That's why they were so insistent that church and state be separate. They saw the harm when it wasn't separate. If Christians were actually governed like the bible says, they would hate it. They wouldn't be able to lie and steal and they would have to actually promote programs that helped the poor etc. GOP would absolutely hate that if lawmakers really did govern under Christian law. You don't like Sharia law but the Christian Assembly is just a version of Christian Taliban. Women would have no rights and if you're going to govern straight out of the bible they shouldn't have any rights. Is that a country you really want to live in?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 14:14:55 GMT -5
So in the first Amendment which is being used to promote "separation of church and state" does not mention restricting Christians from having a roll in Gov't but it clearly states that the Gov't shall have no roll in religion. Religious laws were never supposed to have any influence on government. However, it's pretty hard to completely separate religion from government because Christians usually are in government and their mindsets already taint the whole system just because of their beliefs. But it has always been meant to be leaders of any religion should be as secular in their governing as possible. So those Christians who have decided that they want to end the division between church and state are not doing what their forefathers wanted for the country. The whole reason why the US was populated by white people in the beginning was so that they could get away from religious laws that they didn't like in the 'old country'. That's why they were so insistent that church and state be separate. They saw the harm when it wasn't separate. If Christians were actually governed like the bible says, they would hate it. They wouldn't be able to lie and steal and they would have to actually promote programs that helped the poor etc. GOP would absolutely hate that if lawmakers really did govern under Christian law. You don't like Sharia law but the Christian Assembly is just a version of Christian Taliban. Women would have no rights and if you're going to govern straight out of the bible they shouldn't have any rights. Is that a country you really want to live in? Not everyone has come for religious reasons. The first three colonies were economic and economic/religious and economic/slave trade reasons. Like I said before the 1st did not limit religion it limited gov't. That is not what the NT says about women. In the constitution Article 4 Clause 3 it specifically protects the religious so they can be part of Gov't again limiting Gov't not Religion. Do most want a theocracy, No, including me. But a few Judeo/Christian sensibilities would be good for America.
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Post by snow on Sept 15, 2022 14:51:31 GMT -5
Religious laws were never supposed to have any influence on government. However, it's pretty hard to completely separate religion from government because Christians usually are in government and their mindsets already taint the whole system just because of their beliefs. But it has always been meant to be leaders of any religion should be as secular in their governing as possible. So those Christians who have decided that they want to end the division between church and state are not doing what their forefathers wanted for the country. The whole reason why the US was populated by white people in the beginning was so that they could get away from religious laws that they didn't like in the 'old country'. That's why they were so insistent that church and state be separate. They saw the harm when it wasn't separate. If Christians were actually governed like the bible says, they would hate it. They wouldn't be able to lie and steal and they would have to actually promote programs that helped the poor etc. GOP would absolutely hate that if lawmakers really did govern under Christian law. You don't like Sharia law but the Christian Assembly is just a version of Christian Taliban. Women would have no rights and if you're going to govern straight out of the bible they shouldn't have any rights. Is that a country you really want to live in? Not everyone has come for religious reasons. The first three colonies were economic and economic/religious and economic/slave trade reasons. Like I said before the 1st did not limit religion it limited gov't. That is not what the NT says about women. In the constitution Article 4 Clause 3 it specifically protects the religious so they can be part of Gov't again limiting Gov't not Religion. Do most want a theocracy, No, including me. But a few Judeo/Christian sensibilities would be good for America. You don't want a theocracy and I would say that a majority of Christians don't want one either. But you are supporting a group that definitely do not want any division between church and state. Boebart and Greene have both clearly stated that there should be no division between church and state. Boebart went as far as to say that the Church rule the government not the Government ruling the Church. Of course we know what church she wants to rule but the constitution clearly protects all religions, not just the Christian religion. So if Muslims decide that they want no division between church and state, according to her theory, they have just as much right to rule government. I doubt any Christians would be behind that. And, that is why religion ruling government is such a bad idea. I truly do not believe that the GOP Christian Nationalists would like to live in a country where the Bible rules are the rules they have to live by. They lie that's a given. Many of them, including Boebart and Greene are under investigation for campaign fraud (stealing) and if ruled by the bible there would be harsh laws if they were caught lying or stealing. Never mind committing adultery etc. Look at the amount of people that are Christian that are upset about the overturn of Roe v Wade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 16:39:26 GMT -5
Not everyone has come for religious reasons. The first three colonies were economic and economic/religious and economic/slave trade reasons. Like I said before the 1st did not limit religion it limited gov't. That is not what the NT says about women. In the constitution Article 4 Clause 3 it specifically protects the religious so they can be part of Gov't again limiting Gov't not Religion. Do most want a theocracy, No, including me. But a few Judeo/Christian sensibilities would be good for America. You don't want a theocracy and I would say that a majority of Christians don't want one either. But you are supporting a group that definitely do not want any division between church and state. Boebart and Greene have both clearly stated that there should be no division between church and state. Boebart went as far as to say that the Church rule the government not the Government ruling the Church. Of course we know what church she wants to rule but the constitution clearly protects all religions, not just the Christian religion. So if Muslims decide that they want no division between church and state, according to her theory, they have just as much right to rule government. I doubt any Christians would be behind that. And, that is why religion ruling government is such a bad idea. I truly do not believe that the GOP Christian Nationalists would like to live in a country where the Bible rules are the rules they have to live by. They lie that's a given. Many of them, including Boebart and Greene are under investigation for campaign fraud (stealing) and if ruled by the bible there would be harsh laws if they were caught lying or stealing. Never mind committing adultery etc. Look at the amount of people that are Christian that are upset about the overturn of Roe v Wade. I don't believe Boebert or Greene have that kind of support in Congress nor in the Republican Party and the population.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2022 17:25:07 GMT -5
An asinine comment with no merit... Evidence of your cultural deprivation.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2022 17:25:49 GMT -5
You don't want a theocracy and I would say that a majority of Christians don't want one either. But you are supporting a group that definitely do not want any division between church and state. Boebart and Greene have both clearly stated that there should be no division between church and state. Boebart went as far as to say that the Church rule the government not the Government ruling the Church. Of course we know what church she wants to rule but the constitution clearly protects all religions, not just the Christian religion. So if Muslims decide that they want no division between church and state, according to her theory, they have just as much right to rule government. I doubt any Christians would be behind that. And, that is why religion ruling government is such a bad idea. I truly do not believe that the GOP Christian Nationalists would like to live in a country where the Bible rules are the rules they have to live by. They lie that's a given. Many of them, including Boebart and Greene are under investigation for campaign fraud (stealing) and if ruled by the bible there would be harsh laws if they were caught lying or stealing. Never mind committing adultery etc. Look at the amount of people that are Christian that are upset about the overturn of Roe v Wade. I don't believe Boebert or Greene have that kind of support in Congress nor in the Republican Party and the population. Do you suppose they stole their local elections?
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2022 17:28:48 GMT -5
Not everyone has come for religious reasons. The first three colonies were economic and economic/religious and economic/slave trade reasons. Like I said before the 1st did not limit religion it limited gov't. That is not what the NT says about women. In the constitution Article 4 Clause 3 it specifically protects the religious so they can be part of Gov't again limiting Gov't not Religion. Do most want a theocracy, No, including me. But a few Judeo/Christian sensibilities would be good for America. You don't want a theocracy and I would say that a majority of Christians don't want one either. But you are supporting a group that definitely do not want any division between church and state. Boebart and Greene have both clearly stated that there should be no division between church and state. Boebart went as far as to say that the Church rule the government not the Government ruling the Church. Of course we know what church she wants to rule but the constitution clearly protects all religions, not just the Christian religion. So if Muslims decide that they want no division between church and state, according to her theory, they have just as much right to rule government. I doubt any Christians would be behind that. And, that is why religion ruling government is such a bad idea. I truly do not believe that the GOP Christian Nationalists would like to live in a country where the Bible rules are the rules they have to live by. They lie that's a given. Many of them, including Boebart and Greene are under investigation for campaign fraud (stealing) and if ruled by the bible there would be harsh laws if they were caught lying or stealing. Never mind committing adultery etc. Look at the amount of people that are Christian that are upset about the overturn of Roe v Wade. Ironically, the great majority of Muslims don't really enjoy living in under sharia law. These Christian nationalists haven't learned anything from their own history of theocracy dominated society/government.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 20:22:56 GMT -5
An asinine comment with no merit... Evidence of your cultural deprivation. Another asinine comment with no merit...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2022 20:24:07 GMT -5
I don't believe Boebert or Greene have that kind of support in Congress nor in the Republican Party and the population. Do you suppose they stole their local elections? That is the MO of lefties not righties...
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2022 21:55:32 GMT -5
Evidence of your cultural deprivation. Another asinine comment with no merit... Just saying.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 15, 2022 21:56:08 GMT -5
Do you suppose they stole their local elections? That is the MO of lefties not righties... Projecting agaion.
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Post by openingact34 on Sept 15, 2022 22:18:24 GMT -5
Not everyone has come for religious reasons. The first three colonies were economic and economic/religious and economic/slave trade reasons. Like I said before the 1st did not limit religion it limited gov't. That is not what the NT says about women. In the constitution Article 4 Clause 3 it specifically protects the religious so they can be part of Gov't again limiting Gov't not Religion. Do most want a theocracy, No, including me. But a few Judeo/Christian sensibilities would be good for America. You don't want a theocracy and I would say that a majority of Christians don't want one either. But you are supporting a group that definitely do not want any division between church and state. Boebart and Greene have both clearly stated that there should be no division between church and state. Boebart went as far as to say that the Church rule the government not the Government ruling the Church. Of course we know what church she wants to rule but the constitution clearly protects all religions, not just the Christian religion. So if Muslims decide that they want no division between church and state, according to her theory, they have just as much right to rule government. I doubt any Christians would be behind that. And, that is why religion ruling government is such a bad idea. I truly do not believe that the GOP Christian Nationalists would like to live in a country where the Bible rules are the rules they have to live by. They lie that's a given. Many of them, including Boebart and Greene are under investigation for campaign fraud (stealing) and if ruled by the bible there would be harsh laws if they were caught lying or stealing. Never mind committing adultery etc. Look at the amount of people that are Christian that are upset about the overturn of Roe v Wade. All true Christians dream about the day when Jesus will come back and rule as a dictator with an iron scepter, stomping on the unbelievers in a winepress and creating a river of blood that is 8 feet deep and hundreds of miles long. When the twisted delusions of the Revelation is part of your faith, its no wonder that you might want to start the Lord's reign of terror a little early.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 0:10:26 GMT -5
You don't want a theocracy and I would say that a majority of Christians don't want one either. But you are supporting a group that definitely do not want any division between church and state. Boebart and Greene have both clearly stated that there should be no division between church and state. Boebart went as far as to say that the Church rule the government not the Government ruling the Church. Of course we know what church she wants to rule but the constitution clearly protects all religions, not just the Christian religion. So if Muslims decide that they want no division between church and state, according to her theory, they have just as much right to rule government. I doubt any Christians would be behind that. And, that is why religion ruling government is such a bad idea. I truly do not believe that the GOP Christian Nationalists would like to live in a country where the Bible rules are the rules they have to live by. They lie that's a given. Many of them, including Boebart and Greene are under investigation for campaign fraud (stealing) and if ruled by the bible there would be harsh laws if they were caught lying or stealing. Never mind committing adultery etc. Look at the amount of people that are Christian that are upset about the overturn of Roe v Wade. All true Christians dream about the day when Jesus will come back and rule as a dictator with an iron scepter, stomping on the unbelievers in a winepress and creating a river of blood that is 8 feet deep and hundreds of miles long. When the twisted delusions of the Revelation is part of your faith, its no wonder that you might want to start the Lord's reign of terror a little early. Alright... who gave openingact34 a bible to read?? First rule of mitigating the damage cause by major monotheistic religions is to not let people read the actual primary text! That's what we have preachers for - they read and sugarcoat so we are freed up to judge people for their lack of understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 0:50:00 GMT -5
That is the MO of lefties not righties... Projecting agaion. *again
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 16, 2022 0:51:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2022 0:54:12 GMT -5
You complained on the other post I missed your spelling error, just thought you might enjoy more corrections...
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 16, 2022 2:18:32 GMT -5
You complained on the other post I missed your spelling error, just thought you might enjoy more corrections... Not again!!
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Post by snow on Sept 16, 2022 12:17:43 GMT -5
You don't want a theocracy and I would say that a majority of Christians don't want one either. But you are supporting a group that definitely do not want any division between church and state. Boebart and Greene have both clearly stated that there should be no division between church and state. Boebart went as far as to say that the Church rule the government not the Government ruling the Church. Of course we know what church she wants to rule but the constitution clearly protects all religions, not just the Christian religion. So if Muslims decide that they want no division between church and state, according to her theory, they have just as much right to rule government. I doubt any Christians would be behind that. And, that is why religion ruling government is such a bad idea. I truly do not believe that the GOP Christian Nationalists would like to live in a country where the Bible rules are the rules they have to live by. They lie that's a given. Many of them, including Boebart and Greene are under investigation for campaign fraud (stealing) and if ruled by the bible there would be harsh laws if they were caught lying or stealing. Never mind committing adultery etc. Look at the amount of people that are Christian that are upset about the overturn of Roe v Wade. I don't believe Boebert or Greene have that kind of support in Congress nor in the Republican Party and the population. One would certainly hope not, but they did win their primaries so ... Boebert was reading from the bible in church and when she came to a passage about wanton killing she read it as wonton killing, stopped, and then addressed the people saying she didn't know what a wonton killing was but she'd look into it. It's truly scary that the people of Colorado let her win her primary. Surely there are smarter people than her in Colorado that are also Republican.
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Post by snow on Sept 16, 2022 12:20:24 GMT -5
You don't want a theocracy and I would say that a majority of Christians don't want one either. But you are supporting a group that definitely do not want any division between church and state. Boebart and Greene have both clearly stated that there should be no division between church and state. Boebart went as far as to say that the Church rule the government not the Government ruling the Church. Of course we know what church she wants to rule but the constitution clearly protects all religions, not just the Christian religion. So if Muslims decide that they want no division between church and state, according to her theory, they have just as much right to rule government. I doubt any Christians would be behind that. And, that is why religion ruling government is such a bad idea. I truly do not believe that the GOP Christian Nationalists would like to live in a country where the Bible rules are the rules they have to live by. They lie that's a given. Many of them, including Boebart and Greene are under investigation for campaign fraud (stealing) and if ruled by the bible there would be harsh laws if they were caught lying or stealing. Never mind committing adultery etc. Look at the amount of people that are Christian that are upset about the overturn of Roe v Wade. All true Christians dream about the day when Jesus will come back and rule as a dictator with an iron scepter, stomping on the unbelievers in a winepress and creating a river of blood that is 8 feet deep and hundreds of miles long. When the twisted delusions of the Revelation is part of your faith, its no wonder that you might want to start the Lord's reign of terror a little early. There are books in the bible that some Christians seem to like more than others. And the good Christians do the opposite, they avoid reading those books. The Christian Nationalists are the ones that like the authoritarian books in the bible and Revelations is right up their alley!
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