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Post by nathan02 on Jun 17, 2022 16:16:23 GMT -5
*** Yes, according to humans reasonings! It's very ridiculous. We are just like the little ants, which try to figure out how did God part the Red Sea so over 1 millions Israelites walked on dry sea bed to cross to the other side. Has no one ever suggested that if over a million people crossed into a land they would leave some evidence for thousands of years later to be found? ** I have posted a Korean research team showing many evidences, pictures of all kind of artifacts left behind from the Isrealites Exodus 40 years in the desert. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 17, 2022 16:29:04 GMT -5
We've been over this before, yes it is a choice... Can you make yourself believe something when evidence points otherwise? Ignore cognitive dissonance? Ignore facts, weigh up the cost, is belief a choice, or result of life experiences, information, family upbringing and any number of things? How much crime is a choice and how much has it become integrated into one's being due to childhood experiences and programming. Some is choice, some is not by choice. Our circumstances can affect choice. Just brain storming. There is no black and white answer. I think both are true. I would think for the spiritual, the supernatural, enlightenment / revelation is not a choice. It's the humans that fear death that have this belief in eternal life and will perform amazing gymnastics to prove that they are going to live forever. Once dead, always dead. |
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Post by Grant on Jun 17, 2022 16:37:12 GMT -5
Can you make yourself believe something when evidence points otherwise? Ignore cognitive dissonance? Ignore facts, weigh up the cost, is belief a choice, or result of life experiences, information, family upbringing and any number of things? How much crime is a choice and how much has it become integrated into one's being due to childhood experiences and programming. Some is choice, some is not by choice. Our circumstances can affect choice. Just brain storming. There is no black and white answer. I think both are true. I would think for the spiritual, the supernatural, enlightenment / revelation is not a choice. It's the humans that fear death that have this belief in eternal life and will perform amazing gymnastics to prove that they are going to live forever. Once dead, always dead. I can't answer once Dead, always dead, because I have never died. Maybe it is you who is performing amazing gymnastics. For me personally, I believe the evidence is that we are body, soul and spirit and that something greater than us is out there. I see evidence of it all around me, to deny it would be to deny one's existence. Each to their own. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Jun 17, 2022 18:06:50 GMT -5
Has anyone suggested that if the sun and the moon had really stood still then we would not be having this forum? If God can create a universe he can certainly stop the earth from rotating and make everything work out. By that logic, anyone that built a wheelbarrow could still push it if he removed the wheel, so long as he was the one that built it. |
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Post by xna on Jun 17, 2022 18:28:05 GMT -5
We've been over this before, yes it is a choice... Can you make yourself believe something when evidence points otherwise? Ignore cognitive dissonance? Ignore facts, weigh up the cost, is belief a choice, or result of life experiences, information, family upbringing and any number of things? How much crime is a choice and how much has it become integrated into one's being due to childhood experiences and programming. Some is choice, some is not by choice. Our circumstances can affect choice. Just brain storming. There is no black and white answer. I think both are true. I would think for the spiritual, the supernatural, enlightenment / revelation is not a choice. In self delusion anything imaginable can be believed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 21:09:59 GMT -5
If God can create a universe he can certainly stop the earth from rotating and make everything work out. By that logic, anyone that built a wheelbarrow could still push it if he removed the wheel, so long as he was the one that built it. Poor analogy.. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 17, 2022 22:54:07 GMT -5
If God can create a universe he can certainly stop the earth from rotating and make everything work out. By that logic, anyone that built a wheelbarrow could still push it if he removed the wheel, so long as he was the one that built it. The word logic does not even appear in many christians vocabulary. |
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Post by intelchips on Jun 17, 2022 23:36:36 GMT -5
By that logic, anyone that built a wheelbarrow could still push it if he removed the wheel, so long as he was the one that built it. The word logic does not even appear in many christians vocabulary. Once god created the laws that control the universe she could never violate them else she would destroy all her work including herself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 23:45:29 GMT -5
The word logic does not even appear in many christians vocabulary. Once god created the laws that control the universe she could never violate them else she would destroy all her work including herself. Potential anti-gravity methods would violate gravity laws and nothing would go bang.... |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 17, 2022 23:54:41 GMT -5
The word logic does not even appear in many christians vocabulary. Once god created the laws that control the universe she could never violate them else she would destroy all her work including herself. What I don't understand about the believers in the flood mythology is that around the world there were other civilisations and cultures, many with written records that carried on writing records right through the time frame for the flood. This is obviously evidence of waterproof writing materials and ink. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Jun 18, 2022 2:57:57 GMT -5
By that logic, anyone that built a wheelbarrow could still push it if he removed the wheel, so long as he was the one that built it. Poor analogy.. But a lot more sound than your flawed logic. Simply because you are the creator of anything in particular dosent mean you can mess with it willy nilly with zero consequences. That would also apply to your imaginary creator of the solar system too. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Jun 18, 2022 3:01:43 GMT -5
Once god created the laws that control the universe she could never violate them else she would destroy all her work including herself. Joshua 10:12–14 may just relate the most amazing miracle of all time—the day the sun stood still. “On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel: ‘Sun, stand still over Gibeon, / and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.’ / So the sun stood still, / and the moon stopped, / till the nation avenged itself on its enemies. . . . The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!” God miraculously provided twenty-four hours of light to aid Israel in destroying their enemy, the Amorites. A variety of explanations have been given concerning this event. Some suggest a “local miracle” in which God allowed light to remain in Gibeon, much like the Hebrews had light even when the Egyptians were in the dark (Exodus 10:23). However, the text seems to indicate an actual change of the earth’s rotation, since it says the sun did not set. Others argue that the language of the passage is poetic and therefore not to be taken literally. This view causes other problems. Primarily, how is a reader to know that this event is figurative and not other events? Applying figurative interpretations to difficult biblical passages does not truly answer the difficulties. Another view attempts to explain the event as an eclipse that gave the appearance of a long day in which the sun did not set. Alternatively, some combination of an eclipse and refracted light in the atmosphere could have made the day appear longer than normal. God timed the event to miraculously coincide with Joshua’s prayer and moment of need. The main weakness of this view is that an eclipse typically lasts for minutes rather than hours. Probably the best explanation is simply to take Joshua 10 at face value—God performed a stupendous miracle, causing the sun to delay its “setting.” God stopped the motion of the earth. There are objections to this explanation, based on the physics of motion, but the God who created the world and established natural laws is perfectly capable of compensating for any collateral complications. We may not have a scientific explanation of how God performed this miracle, but He did. Interestingly, Israel’s enemies worshiped the sun and moon. The arrest of the motion of heavenly bodies and the extended period of light to help Israel clearly affirmed the Lord God as the true God. The Amorites’ own gods were powerless to aid their cause as the God of Israel moved heaven and earth to grant His people the victory. Joshua described the miracle just as we might describe it, from an earth-bound perspective. From the perspective of someone standing on the earth, it does appear that the sun moves. We ourselves commonly speak of “sunrise” and “sunset”; it is the way we express ourselves. While we may not fully understand how this “long day” occurred, a miracle does not have to be scientifically proven—just accepted. Joshua prayed, and God supernaturally provided the light necessary for Joshua’s army to win its battle.
The lengthened day was indeed unlike anything ever seen, but in Joshua’s mind the greater miracle may just have been that God listened to him and answered such an amazing prayer.www.gotquestions.org/sun-stood-still.html
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Post by intelchips on Jun 18, 2022 8:18:57 GMT -5
Once god created the laws that control the universe she could never violate them else she would destroy all her work including herself. Potential anti-gravity methods would violate gravity laws and nothing would go bang.... I must take care not to get caught up in things outside my educational background. If my understanding is anywhere close to correct then it would seem that the possibility of creating anti-gravity depends upon a complete understanding and description of gravity and its interactions with other physical theories, such as general relativity and quantum mechanics; as of todays date physicists have yet to discover a quantum theory of gravity. So I ask Wally do you really have such understanding? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 12:09:43 GMT -5
Potential anti-gravity methods would violate gravity laws and nothing would go bang.... I must take care not to get caught up in things outside my educational background. If my understanding is anywhere close to correct then it would seem that the possibility of creating anti-gravity depends upon a complete understanding and description of gravity and its interactions with other physical theories, such as general relativity and quantum mechanics; as of todays date physicists have yet to discover a quantum theory of gravity. So I ask Wally do you really have such understanding? No, that doesn't mean you or I can't have a layman's understanding of such things or at least understand the end result. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 18, 2022 16:24:12 GMT -5
I must take care not to get caught up in things outside my educational background. If my understanding is anywhere close to correct then it would seem that the possibility of creating anti-gravity depends upon a complete understanding and description of gravity and its interactions with other physical theories, such as general relativity and quantum mechanics; as of todays date physicists have yet to discover a quantum theory of gravity. So I ask Wally do you really have such understanding? No, that doesn't mean you or I can't have a layman's understanding of such things or at least understand the end result. If you're satisfied with a layman's understanding, it's best not to stand up to a professional's understsanding. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 20:46:55 GMT -5
No, that doesn't mean you or I can't have a layman's understanding of such things or at least understand the end result. If you're satisfied with a layman's understanding, it's best not to stand up to a professional's understsanding. *understanding You don't need an idjitcation to understand things.... |
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Post by guest8 on Jun 18, 2022 20:54:17 GMT -5
If you're satisfied with a layman's understanding, it's best not to stand up to a professional's understsanding. *understanding You don't need an idjitcation to understand things.... * adjudication |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 21:01:08 GMT -5
*understanding You don't need an idjitcation to understand things.... * adjudication Nope idjitcation is a slang word in the US that means something like idiot education...good try though  |
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Post by guest8 on Jun 18, 2022 21:16:32 GMT -5
Nope idjitcation is a slang word in the US that means something like idiot education...good try though  You're drawing a long bow. USA slang is usually recorded, no sign of that slang word. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 18, 2022 21:24:44 GMT -5
Nope idjitcation is a slang word in the US that means something like idiot education...good try though You're drawing a long bow. USA slang is usually recorded, no sign of that slang word. They don't record the mispronunciations of the dull of hearing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 21:30:06 GMT -5
Nope idjitcation is a slang word in the US that means something like idiot education...good try though You're drawing a long bow. USA slang is usually recorded, no sign of that slang word. It has been in use as far back as the 80's when I first heard it, in boot camp no less.... |
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Post by guest8 on Jun 18, 2022 21:36:48 GMT -5
You're drawing a long bow. USA slang is usually recorded, no sign of that slang word. It has been in use as far back as the 80's when I first heard it, in boot camp no less.... If you're endeavouring to engage in intelligent conversation with Bob, I suggest you think beyond using some unknown 1980's boot camp slang to make a point. |
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Post by xna on Jun 18, 2022 21:40:28 GMT -5
You're drawing a long bow. USA slang is usually recorded, no sign of that slang word. It has been in use as far back as the 80's when I first heard it, in boot camp no less.... People us this slang word: edgimication - an idiot: im going to college to get an edgimication.www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=edgimication |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 21:41:51 GMT -5
It has been in use as far back as the 80's when I first heard it, in boot camp no less.... If you're endeavouring to engage in intelligent conversation with Bob, I suggest you think beyond using some unknown 1980's boot camp slang to make a point. *endeavoring Nope, only talking to you and lowering the bar to do so.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 21:43:56 GMT -5
Nope the Old DS was pretty clear when yelling idjitcation... |
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Post by xna on Jun 18, 2022 21:51:21 GMT -5
Nope the Old DS was pretty clear when yelling idjitcation... DS may have been a idiot himself, or it’s a little known colloquialism. |
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Post by guest8 on Jun 18, 2022 21:53:01 GMT -5
If you're endeavouring to engage in intelligent conversation with Bob, I suggest you think beyond using some unknown 1980's boot camp slang to make a point. *endeavoring Nope, only talking to you and lowering the bar to do so.... * endeavouring on this side of the globe but won't hold it against you using endeavoring. You were engaging in conversation with Bob when you used the bootcamp slang , not with me. But it appears you forget. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 21:55:08 GMT -5
Nope the Old DS was pretty clear when yelling idjitcation... DS may have been a idiot himself, or it’s a little known colloquialism. I've yet to hear of one that is an idiot....d!cks of course, idiots no. |
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