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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2022 6:40:55 GMT -5
The New Testament 2x2 apostles/workers ministry pattern and fellowship. Do you any of any denomination teaching and practicing this teaching/pattern today?
Can you name another group beside the 2x2 workers and friends. The Waldensians? They're trinitarians too - you could join them if you forsook your beloved prophet Frank Stranges. |
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2022 6:57:28 GMT -5
So the charletan false prophet Frank Stranges is doomed. It's confusing the way Nathan believes, the workers are false teachers but they are teaching the truth?
There were false teachers, apostles in the New Testament and in the 7 Churches in the Book of Revelation it didn't meant Christ's Truth and Way is False! false teachers are still the same fellowship today. Wheat Vs. the tares Parable Matthew 13
Jesus, Paul, Peter warned the True Church about this he wrote in II Peter 2:1-2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
Paul wrote in II Tim. 3:1-13 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
I Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron...
Jesus said in Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
~~ Read Jesus Wheat Vs. the tares Parable Matthew 13 God said let them grow together because there is a good chance some will see their mistakes or sins and repent before it too late, and He will send angels to separate the Wheat Vs. the Tares at the end. ONLY bring the Wheat into the Barn and NOT the Tares, are to bundle up and burn.
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Post by fixit on Apr 1, 2022 13:21:15 GMT -5
When we do that downunder, then according to you we believe all paths lead to Rome, everyone is saved. How about judging yourself with the same criteria you judge others by.
Read the scripture about the rock foundation with an open mind Nate. Where does it say you should condemn to hell anyone who doesn't conform to your ministry pattern and fellowship? Luke 6:46 “So why do you keep calling me ‘Lord, Lord!’ when you don’t do what I say? 47 I will show you what it’s like when someone comes to me, listens to my teaching, and then follows it. 48 It is like a person building a house who digs deep and lays the foundation on solid rock. When the floodwaters rise and break against that house, it stands firm because it is well built. 49 But anyone who hears and doesn’t obey is like a person who builds a house right on the ground, without a foundation. When the floods sweep down against that house, it will collapse into a heap of ruins.” |
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Post by intelchips on Apr 1, 2022 14:16:05 GMT -5
So the charletan false prophet Frank Stranges is doomed. Why are the Dead Sea Scrolls called "Dead Sea Scrolls?" The name does not point to who wrote them. It merely indicates where they were found. Thus, why would Christ be handling "Dead Sea Scrolls?" The "Dead Sea Scrolls" in total were written over many decades by various writers. I know there are many here who can think and understand at a much higher level than I can so I ask them what does it mean that Christ handed "Dead Sea Scrolls" to Frank? |
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Post by fixit on Apr 1, 2022 14:25:15 GMT -5
I know there are many here who can think and understand at a much higher level than I can so I ask them what does it mean that Christ handed "Dead Sea Scrolls" to Frank? It means that Nathan has been decieved by the charletan false prophet Frank Stranges. And nathan is too proud and stubborn to heed the warnings of the watchmen and watchwomen who try to correct him. |
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Post by nathan02 on Apr 1, 2022 14:34:52 GMT -5
I show them the teachings of Christ Jesus and His teachings will JUDGE them in the day of Judgment. I can only encourage people who claim to be followers of Christ to take heed and built faith and Salvation on the ROCK foundation of Christ in the New Testament ministry pattern and fellowship.
Read the scripture about the rock foundation with an open mind Nate. Where does it say you should condemn to hell anyone who doesn't conform to your ministry pattern and fellowship? Luke 6:46 “So why do you keep calling me ‘Lord, Lord!’ when you don’t do what I say? 47 I will show you what it’s like when someone comes to me, listens to my teaching, and then follows it. 48 It is like a person building a house who digs deep and lays the foundation on solid rock. When the floodwaters rise and break against that house, it stands firm because it is well built. 49 But anyone who hears and doesn’t obey is like a person who builds a house right on the ground, without a foundation. When the floods sweep down against that house, it will collapse into a heap of ruins.” Jesus said this in Matthew 15:13-14 " Every plant that my heavenly Father has NOT planted will be pulled UP! By the rotors. Leave them, they are blind guides, if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a ditch." |
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Post by nathan02 on Apr 1, 2022 14:51:00 GMT -5
ONLY God Knows. Christ met Frank Stranges in person TWICE in heaven and gave him the Dead Sea Scrolls writings to Reveal to mankind and he/Frank accomplished the mission which was given to him. Do you THINK Frank is doomed? Why are the Dead Sea Scrolls called "Dead Sea Scrolls?" The name does not point to who wrote them. It merely indicates where they were found. Thus, why would Christ be handling "Dead Sea Scrolls?" The "Dead Sea Scrolls" in total were written over many decades by various writers. I know there are many here who can think and understand at a much higher level than I can so I ask them what does it mean that Christ handed "Dead Sea Scrolls" to Frank? Well, I posted the video of Frank's lecture in Hawaii 2007 a year before he passed away in 2008. In the lecture Frank told us that Valiant Thor asked him Which part of history would he like to see? Frank said the Dead Sea Scrolls. After reading the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls Frank was allowed to put many of Jesus teachings and writings in 3 books to publish for the world to read of Christ's message to mankind before His 2nd Coming. By the way, the Vatican has many of Jesus Christ Dead Sea Scrolls writings but they are NOT sharing with the public. So, Frank Stranges just posted these revelation through 3 of Christ's Dead Sea Scrolls books. |
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Post by Annan on Apr 1, 2022 15:11:48 GMT -5
Why are the Dead Sea Scrolls called "Dead Sea Scrolls?" The name does not point to who wrote them. It merely indicates where they were found. Thus, why would Christ be handling "Dead Sea Scrolls?" The "Dead Sea Scrolls" in total were written over many decades by various writers. I know there are many here who can think and understand at a much higher level than I can so I ask them what does it mean that Christ handed "Dead Sea Scrolls" to Frank? Well, I posted the video of Frank's lecture in Hawaii 2007 a year before he passed away in 2008. In the lecture Frank told us that Valiant Thor asked him Which part of history would he like to see? Frank said the Dead Sea Scrolls. After reading the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls Frank was allowed to put many of Jesus teachings and writings in 3 books to publish for the world to read of Christ's message to mankind before His 2nd Coming. By the way, the Vatican has many of Jesus Christ Dead Sea Scrolls writings but they are NOT sharing with the public. So, Frank Stranges just posted these revelation through 3 of Christ's Dead Sea Scrolls books. Do the Bible’s not good enough? |
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Post by fixit on Apr 1, 2022 15:35:34 GMT -5
Well, I posted the video of Frank's lecture in Hawaii 2007 a year before he passed away in 2008. In the lecture Frank told us that Valiant Thor asked him Which part of history would he like to see? Frank said the Dead Sea Scrolls. After reading the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls Frank was allowed to put many of Jesus teachings and writings in 3 books to publish for the world to read of Christ's message to mankind before His 2nd Coming. By the way, the Vatican has many of Jesus Christ Dead Sea Scrolls writings but they are NOT sharing with the public. So, Frank Stranges just posted these revelation through 3 of Christ's Dead Sea Scrolls books. Do the Bible’s not good enough? I wonder what Natie thinks about this bit... Revelation 22:18 And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. |
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Post by intelchips on Apr 1, 2022 15:56:07 GMT -5
Well, I posted the video of Frank's lecture in Hawaii 2007 a year before he passed away in 2008. In the lecture Frank told us that Valiant Thor asked him Which part of history would he like to see? Frank said the Dead Sea Scrolls. After reading the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls Frank was allowed to put many of Jesus teachings and writings in 3 books to publish for the world to read of Christ's message to mankind before His 2nd Coming. By the way, the Vatican has many of Jesus Christ Dead Sea Scrolls writings but they are NOT sharing with the public. So, Frank Stranges just posted these revelation through 3 of Christ's Dead Sea Scrolls books. Do the Bible’s not good enough?  |
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Post by Grant on Apr 1, 2022 16:03:11 GMT -5
Do the Bible’s not good enough? I wonder what Natie thinks about this bit... Revelation 22:18 And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. Seems Nathan and his prophet Frank Stranges are doomed then as they add plenty to the book of Revelation. |
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Post by maryhig on Apr 1, 2022 16:30:04 GMT -5
It's confusing the way Nathan believes, the workers are false teachers but they are teaching the truth?
There were false teachers, apostles in the New Testament and in the 7 Churches in the Book of Revelation it didn't meant Christ's Truth and Way is False! false teachers are still the same fellowship today. Wheat Vs. the tares Parable Matthew 13
Jesus, Paul, Peter warned the True Church about this he wrote in II Peter 2:1-2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
Paul wrote in II Tim. 3:1-13 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
I Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron...
Jesus said in Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
~~ Read Jesus Wheat Vs. the tares Parable Matthew 13 God said let them grow together because there is a good chance some will see their mistakes or sins and repent before it too late, and He will send angels to separate the Wheat Vs. the Tares at the end. ONLY bring the Wheat into the Barn and NOT the Tares, are to bundle up and burn.
You call them false teachers, but then that's most of your fellowship then, because most of them don't believe in the trinity do they? In fact it sounds like there are very few that do. So you must see a lot of false teachers in your fellowship according to you? |
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Post by nathan02 on Apr 1, 2022 17:50:22 GMT -5
Well, I posted the video of Frank's lecture in Hawaii 2007 a year before he passed away in 2008. In the lecture Frank told us that Valiant Thor asked him Which part of history would he like to see? Frank said the Dead Sea Scrolls. After reading the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls Frank was allowed to put many of Jesus teachings and writings in 3 books to publish for the world to read of Christ's message to mankind before His 2nd Coming. By the way, the Vatican has many of Jesus Christ Dead Sea Scrolls writings but they are NOT sharing with the public. So, Frank Stranges just posted these revelation through 3 of Christ's Dead Sea Scrolls books. Do the Bible’s not good enough? ** The Bible is incompleted the RCC stopped recording any church history and events for the next 2000 years! The RCC left out Jesus Christ Dead Sea Scrolls writings of the 21st century from the Bible. It would have completed the Bible from ABC to XYZ. |
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Post by nathan02 on Apr 1, 2022 18:07:26 GMT -5
They are teaching a few of Christ false teachings, Anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God; they Worship only God the Father and NOT the Christ that kind of thing, all they have to do is correct it then they are good to go.
There were false teachers, apostles in the New Testament and in the 7 Churches in the Book of Revelation it didn't meant Christ's Truth and Way is False! false teachers are still the same fellowship today. Wheat Vs. the tares Parable Matthew 13
Jesus, Paul, Peter warned the True Church about this he wrote in II Peter 2:1-2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
Paul wrote in II Tim. 3:1-13 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
I Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron...
Jesus said in Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
~~ Read Jesus Wheat Vs. the tares Parable Matthew 13 God said let them grow together because there is a good chance some will see their mistakes or sins and repent before it too late, and He will send angels to separate the Wheat Vs. the Tares at the end. ONLY bring the Wheat into the Barn and NOT the Tares, are to bundle up and burn.
You call them false teachers, but then that's most of your fellowship then, because most of them don't believe in the trinity do they? In fact it sounds like there are very few that do. So you must see a lot of false teachers in your fellowship according to you? ** Yes, they still have the form of worship the Triune God/Trinity in our Sunday morning meetings around the world. The early days workers used to preach and believed in the Trinity/Triune God then in 1960s the overseers decided the Trinity was RCC doctrine. So they must destroy/eliminate that teaching from the 2x2 ministry and fellowship NOT to teach or mention the Trinity doctrine BUT they keep the Trinity/Triune God form of Sunday morning Worship. Go figure! According to my 45 years observation the overseers and Senior workers in 1960s didn't understand the TRUE doctrine of the Triune God/Trinity themselves because they believed it was the invention of the RCC in the 2nd and 3rd century, which were NOT True. Once the 1960s workers became anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God then they run into all kinds of doctrinal problems for the last 75 years. They excommunicated workers who taught Jesus is God and the Trinity in 1970s and 1990s. Many of the friends who are Triune God and Trinity believers left the fellowship in 1980s because they see where the workers are heading down into a cliff with Anti-Trinity teachings. The Triune God and the Trinity are making a come back among the workers, some overseers and the friends! Because they see the past workers errors in this Anti-Trinity belief. The friends LOVE and appreciate their Triune God Sunday morning Worship! Meetings. The workers can never take that from their hearts even they get excommunicated. |
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Post by fixit on Apr 1, 2022 18:56:36 GMT -5
I Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron... Jesus said in Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.Some good warnings here about the likes of the charletan false prophet Frank Stranges and his disciples. |
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Post by nathan02 on Apr 1, 2022 19:06:46 GMT -5
I Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron... Jesus said in Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.Some good warnings here about the likes of the charletan false prophet Frank Stranges and his disciples. ** I believe Paul was foretelling about you and the Anti-Trinity workers; Anti-Triune God; Jesus is NOT God; Jesus is a god; We worship ONLY God the Father NOT the Son; the Holy Spirit is a force and he is NOT God either. At least Frank Stranges believed and taught Jesus Christ is the God IAM that IAM, he is the Co-Creator with God the Father of all things, beings, angels, and exist in the Universe. |
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Post by Grant on Apr 1, 2022 20:02:39 GMT -5
I Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron... Jesus said in Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.Some good warnings here about the likes of the charletan false prophet Frank Stranges and his disciples. Yes take heed Nathan, everyone can see it but you. Seducing Spirits and doctrines of devils sounds like Frank Stramges sci fi alien claims, especially claiming to have met Jesus in Venus. Of course no one believes the planets are hollow except Nathan and conspiracy theorists like him. |
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Post by maryhig on Apr 1, 2022 20:40:06 GMT -5
Some good warnings here about the likes of the charletan false prophet Frank Stranges and his disciples. ** I believe Paul was foretelling about you and the Anti-Trinity workers; Anti-Triune God; Jesus is NOT God; Jesus is a god; We worship ONLY God the Father NOT the Son; the Holy Spirit is a force and he is NOT God either. At least Frank Stranges believed and taught Jesus Christ is the God IAM that IAM, he is the Co-Creator with God the Father of all things, beings, angels, and exist in the Universe. You believe wrong, Paul is speaking of those who say they believe in God and then carry on wilfully sinning, loving this world and their flesh before God. Showing the wrong example to others of how to live before God. For example, telling people they are eternally saved and that even if they carry on wilfully sinning they can't be separated from God. This is false, we can't say we believe in God and then carry on living how we please. Once we truly repent, we are to turn from our old sinful ways and live by the will of God, showing the right example having the love of God and life of Christ lived in and through us as we bare witness to the truth. It's nothing to do with the trinity whatsoever. |
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Post by maryhig on Apr 1, 2022 20:45:43 GMT -5
You call them false teachers, but then that's most of your fellowship then, because most of them don't believe in the trinity do they? In fact it sounds like there are very few that do. So you must see a lot of false teachers in your fellowship according to you? ** Yes, they still have the form of worship the Triune God/Trinity in our Sunday morning meetings around the world. The early days workers used to preach and believed in the Trinity/Triune God then in 1960s the overseers decided the Trinity was RCC doctrine. So they must destroy/eliminate that teaching from the 2x2 ministry and fellowship NOT to teach or mention the Trinity doctrine BUT they keep the Trinity/Triune God form of Sunday morning Worship. Go figure! According to my 45 years observation the overseers and Senior workers in 1960s didn't understand the TRUE doctrine of the Triune God/Trinity themselves because they believed it was the invention of the RCC in the 2nd and 3rd century, which were NOT True. Once the 1960s workers became anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God then they run into all kinds of doctrinal problems for the last 75 years. They excommunicated workers who taught Jesus is God and the Trinity in 1970s and 1990s. Many of the friends who are Triune God and Trinity believers left the fellowship in 1980s because they see where the workers are heading down into a cliff with Anti-Trinity teachings. The Triune God and the Trinity are making a come back among the workers, some overseers and the friends! Because they see the past workers errors in this Anti-Trinity belief. The friends LOVE and appreciate their Triune God Sunday morning Worship! Meetings. The workers can never take that from their hearts even they get excommunicated. Well all those I have spoken to don't believe as you do, and they don't worship the trinity or even believe in the trinity. You are in a tiny minority, in fact your beliefs are strange and very different to those of the friends and workers as I have spoken to over the last few years on here. You have listened too much to false people not teaching the truth like that Frank stranges. His name certainly suits him as he has some strange beliefs as do you. In fact, you are the most non exclusive 2x2 that I have ever spoken to. |
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Post by Grant on Apr 1, 2022 21:04:18 GMT -5
You call them false teachers, but then that's most of your fellowship then, because most of them don't believe in the trinity do they? In fact it sounds like there are very few that do. So you must see a lot of false teachers in your fellowship according to you? ** Yes, they still have the form of worship the Triune God/Trinity in our Sunday morning meetings around the world. The early days workers used to preach and believed in the Trinity/Triune God then in 1960s the overseers decided the Trinity was RCC doctrine. So they must destroy/eliminate that teaching from the 2x2 ministry and fellowship NOT to teach or mention the Trinity doctrine BUT they keep the Trinity/Triune God form of Sunday morning Worship. Go figure! According to my 45 years observation the overseers and Senior workers in 1960s didn't understand the TRUE doctrine of the Triune God/Trinity themselves because they believed it was the invention of the RCC in the 2nd and 3rd century, which were NOT True. Once the 1960s workers became anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God then they run into all kinds of doctrinal problems for the last 75 years. They excommunicated workers who taught Jesus is God and the Trinity in 1970s and 1990s. Many of the friends who are Triune God and Trinity believers left the fellowship in 1980s because they see where the workers are heading down into a cliff with Anti-Trinity teachings. The Triune God and the Trinity are making a come back among the workers, some overseers and the friends! Because they see the past workers errors in this Anti-Trinity belief. The friends LOVE and appreciate their Triune God Sunday morning Worship! Meetings. The workers can never take that from their hearts even they get excommunicated. The friends do not worship the Trinity on a Sunday morning any more than any other non Trinitarian church. To worship the Trinity is to believe Jesus is God. Many people believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as 3 separate beings and having the emblems in remembrance of Jesus death but this a lot different from believing together they make up the One God. A non Trinitarian does not believe Jesus is God, a Trinitarian does. |
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Post by nathan02 on Apr 1, 2022 21:22:10 GMT -5
** Yes, they still have the form of worship the Triune God/Trinity in our Sunday morning meetings around the world. The early days workers used to preach and believed in the Trinity/Triune God then in 1960s the overseers decided the Trinity was RCC doctrine. So they must destroy/eliminate that teaching from the 2x2 ministry and fellowship NOT to teach or mention the Trinity doctrine BUT they keep the Trinity/Triune God form of Sunday morning Worship. Go figure! According to my 45 years observation the overseers and Senior workers in 1960s didn't understand the TRUE doctrine of the Triune God/Trinity themselves because they believed it was the invention of the RCC in the 2nd and 3rd century, which were NOT True. Once the 1960s workers became anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God then they run into all kinds of doctrinal problems for the last 75 years. They excommunicated workers who taught Jesus is God and the Trinity in 1970s and 1990s. Many of the friends who are Triune God and Trinity believers left the fellowship in 1980s because they see where the workers are heading down into a cliff with Anti-Trinity teachings. The Triune God and the Trinity are making a come back among the workers, some overseers and the friends! Because they see the past workers errors in this Anti-Trinity belief. The friends LOVE and appreciate their Triune God Sunday morning Worship! Meetings. The workers can never take that from their hearts even they get excommunicated. Well all those I have spoken to don't believe as you do, and they don't worship the trinity or even believe in the trinity. You are in a tiny minority, in fact your beliefs are strange and very different to those of the friends and workers as I have spoken to over the last few years on here. You have listened too much to false people not teaching the truth like that Frank stranges. His name certainly suits him as he has some strange beliefs as do you. In fact, you are the most non exclusive 2x2 that I have ever spoken to. ** NOT all preachers are taught incorrect doctrines, I take what they teach are correct and true and throw away the false teachings out of the window, that including the 2x2 workers. If the 2x2s workers teach certain teachings, which are NOT sound teachings like Anti-Trinity and Anti-Triune God; Jesus is NOT God; We worship ONLY God the Father and NOT the Christ/Son; and the Holy Spirit is NOT God. I am NOT going to pass those false teachings to others others as Jesus Truth and Way doctrines. But if the workers are teachings Jesus New Testament ministry, follow the New Testament fellowship and His teachings then I am for it and pass it on to others. |
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Post by nathan on Apr 1, 2022 21:46:11 GMT -5
** Yes, they still have the form of worship the Triune God/Trinity in our Sunday morning meetings around the world. The early days workers used to preach and believed in the Trinity/Triune God then in 1960s the overseers decided the Trinity was RCC doctrine. So they must destroy/eliminate that teaching from the 2x2 ministry and fellowship NOT to teach or mention the Trinity doctrine BUT they keep the Trinity/Triune God form of Sunday morning Worship. Go figure! According to my 45 years observation the overseers and Senior workers in 1960s didn't understand the TRUE doctrine of the Triune God/Trinity themselves because they believed it was the invention of the RCC in the 2nd and 3rd century, which were NOT True. Once the 1960s workers became anti-Trinity; Jesus is NOT God then they run into all kinds of doctrinal problems for the last 75 years. They excommunicated workers who taught Jesus is God and the Trinity in 1970s and 1990s. Many of the friends who are Triune God and Trinity believers left the fellowship in 1980s because they see where the workers are heading down into a cliff with Anti-Trinity teachings. The Triune God and the Trinity are making a come back among the workers, some overseers and the friends! Because they see the past workers errors in this Anti-Trinity belief. The friends LOVE and appreciate their Triune God Sunday morning Worship! Meetings. The workers can never take that from their hearts even they get excommunicated. The friends do not worship the Trinity on a Sunday morning any more than any other non Trinitarian church. To worship the Trinity is to believe Jesus is God. Many people believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as 3 separate beings and having the emblems in remembrance of Jesus death but this a lot different from believing together they make up the One God. A non Trinitarian does not believe Jesus is God, a Trinitarian does.
That why the Sunday morning was set up by the early 2x2 workers the worshipping of the Triune God/Trinity, as believers we come to Worship God the Father, Christ our Lord God Savior and the Holy Spirit our Teacher of Christ's Truth and Way. |
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Post by BobWilliston on Apr 1, 2022 22:56:07 GMT -5
ONLY God Knows. Christ met Frank Stranges in person TWICE in heaven and gave him the Dead Sea Scrolls writings to Reveal to mankind and he/Frank accomplished the mission which was given to him. Do you THINK Frank is doomed? Why are the Dead Sea Scrolls called "Dead Sea Scrolls?" The name does not point to who wrote them. It merely indicates where they were found. Thus, why would Christ be handling "Dead Sea Scrolls?" The "Dead Sea Scrolls" in total were written over many decades by various writers. I know there are many here who can think and understand at a much higher level than I can so I ask them what does it mean that Christ handed "Dead Sea Scrolls" to Frank? It means there's a coocoo bird in the thicket. |
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Post by Dan on Apr 1, 2022 23:45:48 GMT -5
Well all those I have spoken to don't believe as you do, and they don't worship the trinity or even believe in the trinity. You are in a tiny minority, in fact your beliefs are strange and very different to those of the friends and workers as I have spoken to over the last few years on here. You have listened too much to false people not teaching the truth like that Frank stranges. His name certainly suits him as he has some strange beliefs as do you. In fact, you are the most non exclusive 2x2 that I have ever spoken to.
Actually, most Christians do believe in a triune God, including most Protestants. So its those who reject the deity of Christ who are in the minority.
"God is Spirit" (John 4:24). "The Lord is that Spirit" (2 Corinthians 3:17). The Holy Spirit is “one” with both the Father and Jesus, all 3 are an inseparable and perfect divine union. It is not three Gods in one God – it is one God in three Persons.
From a biblical perspective (trinity aside) Nathan is essentially aligned with the 2x2 ministry. He just believes in a lot of 'extras', such as Frank Stranges, Valiant Thor, hollow planets, and a definitive location of heaven. But that's neither here nor there as long as those 'extra' beliefs don't undermine a persons fundamental acceptance of the correct gospel message.. jmo
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Post by fixit on Apr 2, 2022 1:51:28 GMT -5
Do the Bible’s not good enough? ** The Bible is incompleted the RCC stopped recording any church history and events for the next 2000 years! The RCC left out Jesus Christ Dead Sea Scrolls writings of the 21st century from the Bible. It would have completed the Bible from ABC to XYZ. You're out of step with most Christians on this. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 2, 2022 2:55:18 GMT -5
** The Bible is incompleted the RCC stopped recording any church history and events for the next 2000 years! The RCC left out Jesus Christ Dead Sea Scrolls writings of the 21st century from the Bible. It would have completed the Bible from ABC to XYZ. You're out of step with most Christians on this. Yep, more idiot logic from Jesus right hand man. |
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Post by maryhig on Apr 2, 2022 5:40:01 GMT -5
Well all those I have spoken to don't believe as you do, and they don't worship the trinity or even believe in the trinity. You are in a tiny minority, in fact your beliefs are strange and very different to those of the friends and workers as I have spoken to over the last few years on here. You have listened too much to false people not teaching the truth like that Frank stranges. His name certainly suits him as he has some strange beliefs as do you. In fact, you are the most non exclusive 2x2 that I have ever spoken to.
Actually, most Christians do believe in a triune God, including most Protestants. So its those who reject the deity of Christ who are in the minority.
"God is Spirit" (John 4:24). "The Lord is that Spirit" (2 Corinthians 3:17). The Holy Spirit is “one” with both the Father and Jesus, all 3 are an inseparable and perfect divine union. It is not three Gods in one God – it is one God in three Persons.
From a biblical perspective (trinity aside) Nathan is essentially aligned with the 2x2 ministry. He just believes in a lot of 'extras', such as Frank Stranges, Valiant Thor, hollow planets, and a definitive location of heaven. But that's neither here nor there as long as those 'extra' beliefs don't undermine a persons fundamental acceptance of the correct gospel message.. jmo
I'm not talking about most Christians, I'm talking about the 2x2 church that Nathan attends, they don't believe as he does regarding Jesus being God, and he is calling them false teachers because they don't believe in the trinity. And those who belong to Christ are one with the father and Christ, are they God too? Being one doesn't make Jesus God, it makes him at one with God as in one heart, one mind and one love. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE. And yes it does matter regarding the false teachings that Nathan "adds on" Nathan says they are Christ's teachings given to Frank stranges from the dead sea scrolls. This is not the truth, it is a false teaching and Nathan is adding it to the gospel. |
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Post by nathan on Apr 2, 2022 8:46:22 GMT -5
Actually, most Christians do believe in a triune God, including most Protestants. So its those who reject the deity of Christ who are in the minority.
"God is Spirit" (John 4:24). "The Lord is that Spirit" (2 Corinthians 3:17). The Holy Spirit is “one” with both the Father and Jesus, all 3 are an inseparable and perfect divine union. It is not three Gods in one God – it is one God in three Persons.
From a biblical perspective (trinity aside) Nathan is essentially aligned with the 2x2 ministry. He just believes in a lot of 'extras', such as Frank Stranges, Valiant Thor, hollow planets, and a definitive location of heaven. But that's neither here nor there as long as those 'extra' beliefs don't undermine a persons fundamental acceptance of the correct gospel message.. jmo
I'm not talking about most Christians, I'm talking about the 2x2 church that Nathan attends, they don't believe as he does regarding Jesus being God, and he is calling them false teachers because they don't believe in the trinity. And those who belong to Christ are one with the father and Christ, are they God too? Being one doesn't make Jesus God, it makes him at one with God as in one heart, one mind and one love. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE. And yes it does matter regarding the false teachings that Nathan "adds on" Nathan says they are Christ's teachings given to Frank stranges from the dead sea scrolls. This is not the truth, it is a false teaching and Nathan is adding it to the gospel.
The below is what the early days workers believed and taught as the TRUE doctrine of the Trinity and NOT the confusing of the Trinity teachings that some are teachings today. It was these early days apostles who had a CLEAR understanding of the Godhead, and who Christ and the Holy Spirit is and they COINED the word TRINITY and TRIUNE God to describe the Godhead.
And I agree with the early days 2x2s workers belief on the Trinity and Triune God teachings were correct!
Most of the apostles in the second century had a clear understanding of the Godhead/Triune God. Clement of Alexandrea (Died about A.D. 215) taught the Triune God saying, "The Word itself, that is, the Son of God, being by equality of substance, one with the Father, is and Uncreated. And I understand else nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third, is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made."
Tertullian (Died about A.D. 230) Also taught Triune God saying, "I ask you how it is possible that a Being who is merely and absolutely One in singular, to speak in plural phrase, saying, "Let US make man in OUR own image, and after Our likeness" ... it was because He already had His Son close at His side, as a Second Person, His own Word, and a third Person also, the Spirit in the Word, that He purposely adopted the plural phrase.
Origin (A.D. 185-254) The most learned man of the ancient church. A great traveler; and a voluminous writer, employing at times as many as twenty copyists. He died in Palestine, where he died as a result of imprisonment and torture under Deices Emperor. Also taught Triune God saying, "For who else was He which is to come than Christ? And as no one ought to be offended, seeing God is the Father, that the Savior is also God; So also, since the Father is called Omnipotent, no one ought to be offended that the Son of God is also called Omnipotent. From all, which we learn that the person of the Holy Spirit was of such authority and dignity, that saving baptism was not complete except by the authority of the most excellent Trinity of them all by the naming of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. " This is the TRUE and CORRECT doctrine and teaching of the TRINITY....
The concept of the Triune God is taught in the Old and New Testament. In the 2nd century the second generation of the apostles/church fathers came up with a beautiful description word "Trinity" to describe the Triune God in the Bible.
The 2nd century apostles.... From A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs by David W. Bercot Hippolytus (205 A.D.) "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." By this, He showed that whoever omits any one of them, fails in glorifying God perfectly. For it is through the TRINITY that the Father is glorified. For the Father willed, the Son did, and the Spirit manifested.
It is the Father who commands, and the Son who obeys, and the Holy Spirit who give understanding. The Father is above ALL, the Son is through ALL, and the Holy Spirit is in ALL. Paul the apostle explains that there is the exact same order within the TRINITY, saying, "I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God." (I Cor. 11:3). So the Father has authority over the Son. The Son is sent by the Father; the Son does the will of the Father; and the Son sits at the Father's right hand. This hierarchy of order can not be reversed. Yet this hierarchy of order in no way diminishes the Son's divinity.
Tertullian (212 A.D.) For the very church itself is properly and principally the Spirit Himself, in whom is the TRINITY of the One Divinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Cyprian (250 A.D.) Observing the third, sixth, and nineth month for a sacrament of the TRINITY, which was to be manifested in the last times. For the first hour in its progress to the third declared the completed number of the TRINITY. The TRINITY names of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. We are NOT ignorant that there is ONE God; and One Christ, the Lord; and One Holy Spirit. Jesus said, "Go therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit." He suggested that TRINITY, in whose sacrament the nations were to be baptized. Origin (225 A.D.) Saving baptism was NOT complete except by the authority of the most excellent TRINITY of them all. That is, it is made complete by naming the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In this, we join the name of the Holy Spirit to the Unbegotten God (the Father) and to His Only-begotten Son. 1/2018 Gill said: Was there an effort to remove trinitarian hymns from the book? And possibly a chance to add more hymns. There were some trinity hymns from the 1951 book that were removed in 1987. Cease not to praise Him, the Father and Son. And Holy Spirit and THESE THREE ARE ONE...remember that hymn?? NathanB: Yes, After the hymn book was published in 1987, the overseers had excommunicated Truitt O. in Alaska 1990 and before that 1970 in Montana from the work. Truitt, his brother, Walter and John Starkweather the overseer in Montana for preaching Jesus is God. www.tellingthetruth.info/history_divisions/montana.php |
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