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Post by nathan02 on Mar 29, 2022 21:30:00 GMT -5
*** It went over your head on this one and that is OK. The atheists have posted the same thing to you Christians on here.. You are believing in the same myths, fairy tales, science fiction like parting of the Red Sea, talking Serpent and donkey and so on... What I am sharing is more believable than many of the stories are record in the Bible because it documented by the US governments. The US gov't being more believable than the God inspired bible doesn't sound right Nathan, unless I am misunderstanding you.... ** Let me clarify... I believe The stories in the Bible are TRUE so are certain branches Of U.S. government's stories on Ets from outer space and inside the earth and on different planets, the space crafts they ride to get them from one planet to the next; and from one galaxy to the next galaxy. There are more than 3 trillions galaxies in our Universe. We are NOT alone in the Universe. I believe the Bible stories are TRUE so some governments branches and Frank stranges experiences. I hope I have clear it up. Thanks, for asking. |
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Post by nathan on Mar 29, 2022 21:58:04 GMT -5
*** Now, I know your JCP clearance is so crappy! You don't know hardly anything. If you want to discredit me, you must do a better job than that, it makes you look like a jester fool. I think the readers have already decided otherwise.
1) The Saturn V, pegged for Apollo 20 was used in a Space Station launch for lower earth orbit. I have already covered this in an earlier post.
2) Your Apollo 20 conspiracy is based around a William Rutledge, who claimed to be a Commander. There was no such person in the corps, and his claims flew in the face of Nasa's rotation policy.
3) Another book was written by Luca Scantamburlo, who may have been in contact with Wally Cunningham, an Apollo 7 commander who was stood down after defying the Capcom regarding the use of helmets on re-entry due to having a head-cold. Wally described Luca's book content as "pure nonsense".
4) The books were works of fiction, but like all good stories contained a smattering of some facts.
5) Combining this together, with all your other wild conspiracy theory beliefs, and one has seriously question your cognitive ability.
Apollo 20 The Secret Moon Mission of NASA
Jun 17, 2021 Apollo 20 was one of the Top Space Program jointly operated by NASA and Soviet Union, The aim of the mission was to explore the far side of moon, the information of this mission was leaked by the commander of Apollo 20, According to many people, The Apollo 20 is a faux story told in a series of YouTube videos about an American crewed lunar mission that discovered evidence of an extraterrestrial civilization on the far side of the Moon. 9 min. Video.at 3:24 Picture of William Rougtledge, who was the commander selected NOT only by NASA Apollo20 but also of the Apollo19 Mission by NASA. According to William R. the Apollo20 mission was launch in 6/1976. Leona Synder from America and the Soviet Cosmonut Alexei Leonov. Their mission was to explore certain site on the moon, where the Apollo 14 had taken pictures of the Huge Space Ship parked in this crater. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y54_-VQFG78&ab_channel=SuddenlyIThink This is just a foretaste of it... I had plenty more information on Apollo20 mission and the Space Craft.... Interview of William R. with a reporter's report of the interview.... Truly amazing. Here is the an ancient ruin city on the dark side of the moon where the Huge Space crafted parked was taken by a rover. Inside of The Huge Space Craft, the body of Mona Lisa the Alien body well preserved for 2.5 Billions years ago.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Jz-azpHqY&ab_channel=PavelAngelov |
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 29, 2022 22:40:54 GMT -5
I think the readers have already decided otherwise.
1) The Saturn V, pegged for Apollo 20 was used in a Space Station launch for lower earth orbit. I have already covered this in an earlier post.
2) Your Apollo 20 conspiracy is based around a William Rutledge, who claimed to be a Commander. There was no such person in the corps, and his claims flew in the face of Nasa's rotation policy.
3) Another book was written by Luca Scantamburlo, who may have been in contact with Wally Cunningham, an Apollo 7 commander who was stood down after defying the Capcom regarding the use of helmets on re-entry due to having a head-cold. Wally described Luca's book content as "pure nonsense".
4) The books were works of fiction, but like all good stories contained a smattering of some facts.
5) Combining this together, with all your other wild conspiracy theory beliefs, and one has seriously question your cognitive ability.
Apollo 20 The Secret Moon Mission of NASA
Jun 17, 2021 Apollo 20 was one of the Top Space Program jointly operated by NASA and Soviet Union, The aim of the mission was to explore the far side of moon, the information of this mission was leaked by the commander of Apollo 20, According to many people, The Apollo 20 is a faux story told in a series of YouTube videos about an American crewed lunar mission that discovered evidence of an extraterrestrial civilization on the far side of the Moon. 9 min. Video.at 3:24 William Rougtledge was the commander selected NOT only by NASA Apollo 20 but also of the Apollo19 Mission by NASA. According to William R. the Apollo20 mission was launch in 6/1976. Leona Synder from America and the Soviet Cosmonut Alexei Leonov. Their mission was to explore certain site on the moon, where the Apollo 14 had taken pictures of the Huge Space Ship parked in this crater. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y54_-VQFG78&ab_channel=SuddenlyIThink This is just a foretaste of it... I had plenty more information on Apollo20 mission and the Space Craft.... Interview of William R. with a reporter's report of the interview.... Truly amazing. Here is the an ancient ruin city on the dark side of the moon where the Huge Space crafted parked was taken by a rover.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Jz-azpHqY&ab_channel=PavelAngelovNathan - it was and is a hoax, and the author has admitted it....read on
Apollo 20 is, at its core, a good story: a successful mission into the unknown, and an unprecedented US-Soviet collaboration. The Apollo program concluded with a secret epilogue, revealing profound truths about humanity’s place in the universe. But did it really happen? Less than a year after the videos surfaced, a French artist named Thierry Speth5 claimed to have been behind them. He had, in his career, made sculptures strikingly similar to the Mona Lisa alien, and apparently he was found to use the “retiredafb” name on several websites. The Apollo 20 story also suffers from several logical flaws. For example: It would be impossible to conceal a Saturn V launch from Vandenberg (see footnotes). Furthermore, all Saturn Vs—four billion dollars apiece—are thoroughly accounted for, with the leftover rockets from Apollo either used for Skylab or put on display. Why didn’t they make any effort to quarantine the alien? The videos show astronauts operating on the Mona Lisa, inside the lunar module and without wearing spacesuits. Why do we only see the initial overflight, a distant shot of the city, and the alien? Rutledge mentioned details about the inside of the ship, but he apparently didn’t take pictures of it. Countless thousands of people worked on each Apollo flight. Someone, from the mission controllers to the ground crew to the medical technicians, would have spilled the beans at some point. Why did it stay completely secret until 2007? It was clear all along. You see, Apollo 20 was, in fact, a hoax. Nonsense cooked up for the internet age. Not only is it wildly implausible on its own terms, the creator has come out and admitted he fabricated everything. There is no alien spacecraft on the far side of the Moon. Nothing has been covered up. This whole article, from the beginning, was a joke. |
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Post by nathan02 on Mar 29, 2022 23:16:30 GMT -5
Your JCP top clearance is Sucks! you need to throw it away in the garbage and like I said you know so little and think you are so right, try to discredit me with your shallow understanding. You need to upgrade your strategy, prag...
Apollo 20 The Secret Moon Mission of NASA
Jun 17, 2021 Apollo 20 was one of the Top Space Program jointly operated by NASA and Soviet Union, The aim of the mission was to explore the far side of moon, the information of this mission was leaked by the commander of Apollo 20, According to many people, The Apollo 20 is a faux story told in a series of YouTube videos about an American crewed lunar mission that discovered evidence of an extraterrestrial civilization on the far side of the Moon. 9 min. Video.at 3:24 William Rougtledge was the commander selected NOT only by NASA Apollo 20 but also of the Apollo19 Mission by NASA. According to William R. the Apollo20 mission was launch in 6/1976. Leona Synder from America and the Soviet Cosmonut Alexei Leonov. Their mission was to explore certain site on the moon, where the Apollo 14 had taken pictures of the Huge Space Ship parked in this crater. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y54_-VQFG78&ab_channel=SuddenlyIThink This is just a foretaste of it... I had plenty more information on Apollo20 mission and the Space Craft.... Interview of William R. with a reporter's report of the interview.... Truly amazing. Here is the an ancient ruin city on the dark side of the moon where the Huge Space crafted parked was taken by a rover.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Jz-azpHqY&ab_channel=PavelAngelov Nathan - it was and is a hoax, and the author has admitted it....read on
Apollo 20 is, at its core, a good story: a successful mission into the unknown, and an unprecedented US-Soviet collaboration. The Apollo program concluded with a secret epilogue, revealing profound truths about humanity’s place in the universe. But did it really happen? Less than a year after the videos surfaced, a French artist named Thierry Speth5 claimed to have been behind them. He had, in his career, made sculptures strikingly similar to the Mona Lisa alien, and apparently he was found to use the “retiredafb” name on several websites. The Apollo 20 story also suffers from several logical flaws. For example: It would be impossible to conceal a Saturn V launch from Vandenberg (see footnotes). Furthermore, all Saturn Vs—four billion dollars apiece—are thoroughly accounted for, with the leftover rockets from Apollo either used for Skylab or put on display. Why didn’t they make any effort to quarantine the alien? The videos show astronauts operating on the Mona Lisa, inside the lunar module and without wearing spacesuits. Why do we only see the initial overflight, a distant shot of the city, and the alien? Rutledge mentioned details about the inside of the ship, but he apparently didn’t take pictures of it. Countless thousands of people worked on each Apollo flight. Someone, from the mission controllers to the ground crew to the medical technicians, would have spilled the beans at some point. Why did it stay completely secret until 2007? It was clear all along. You see, Apollo 20 was, in fact, a hoax. Nonsense cooked up for the internet age. Not only is it wildly implausible on its own terms, the creator has come out and admitted he fabricated everything. There is no alien spacecraft on the far side of the Moon. Nothing has been covered up. This whole article, from the beginning, was a joke. *** Well, Pray... Eveything I posted according to you is a hoax, like I said you know so little and claimed you to know so much by saying this is a hoax, hoax, I have friends in high places know nothing of it. If it was a top secret they are NOT going to tell you no matter how close you are to them. By the way, they brought Mona Lisa body from her ship to their lunar module to take things off her face and examine her by the Russian doctor. They brought her body back to earth to study her more carefully. |
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Post by fixit on Mar 29, 2022 23:21:55 GMT -5
Your JCP top clearance is Sucks! you need to throw it away in the garbage and like I said you know so little and think you are so right, try to discredit me with your shallow understanding. You need to upgrade your strategy, prag... Please give us proof of your security clearance. |
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Post by fixit on Mar 29, 2022 23:23:28 GMT -5
*** Well, Pray... Eveything I posted according to you is a hoax, like I said you know so little and claimed you to know so much by saying this is a hoax, hoax, I have friends in high places know nothing of it. If it was a top secret they are NOT going to tell you no matter how close you are to them. Your friends no doubt think you're a joke. |
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Post by nathan02 on Mar 29, 2022 23:27:56 GMT -5
Your JCP top clearance is Sucks! you need to throw it away in the garbage and like I said you know so little and think you are so right, try to discredit me with your shallow understanding. You need to upgrade your strategy, prag... Please give us proof of your security clearance. ** God is my security top secret clearance.  that is good enough for me. |
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Post by nathan on Mar 29, 2022 23:34:21 GMT -5
Please give us proof of your security clearance. ** God is my security top secret clearance.  that is good enough for me. According to official government records, the last time man ever set foot on the Moon was back in December 1972, when Apollo 17 astronauts Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt spent three days on the lunar surface. What most don’t know is that more Apollo missions were originally planned - Apollo 18, 19 and 20 – all of which were already in the construction and / or in the latter planning stages when they were cancelled in 1972 supposedly due to declining public interest and budget cuts. That was seemingly the case until 2007, when astronaut William Rutledge posted a video to YouTube claiming it to be from the secret Apollo 20 mission. Rutledge claimed Apollo 20’s goal was to explore the polar region of the Moon, on its dark side, and in particular a miles-long crashed spacecraft. Continue reading for five more moon mysteries that will make you wonder. www.techeblog.com/apollo-20-mission-and-5-more-moon-mysteries-that-will-make-you-wonder/NEW AND BAFFLING VIDEO FOOTAGES ON YOUTUBE PROVIDED BY W. RUTLEDGE SEEM TO CORROBORATE HIS AMAZING STORY by Luca Scantamburlo A few weeks ago I interviewed a man by the name of William Rutledge, who has been claiming his identity: he would have been an astronaut during the '70s, employed by the USAF in collaboration with NASA during a secret Space mission. My interview was carried out by my YouTube Account/General Messages. William Rutledge registered himself on YouTube as a man of 76 years old (YouTube user: ?retiredafb?), who now lives in Rwanda. He told me he is an American citizen, now civilian, born in Belgium in 1930 and employed by USAF as test pilot on various aircrafts. According to his report supported by some outstanding videos uploaded on YouTube since April 2007, after the Apollo 17 (December 1972) and the ?Apollo18-Soyuz? mission taken place in July 1975, there were other two missions on the Moon: the Apollo 19 (failed because of <<a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without data>>, see the interview with W.Rutledge) and the Apollo 20 (August 1976), which were both classifed Space missions launched from the Vandenberg Air Force Base (California). www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-NewEvidence.htmWRITTEN INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM RUTLEDGE, AN "APOLLO 20" ASTRONAUT (1976) by Luca Scantamburlo June 30, 2007 A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal Agency like NRO (National Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead reconnaissance, "were declassified in September 1992" (according to its official website). And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon?
William Rutledge (according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda, former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the ?deep throat? who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube, about the presumed Apollo 20 space mission. His user name on YouTube is ?retiredafb?, and the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the Apollo 15 crew. A second reason, in my opinion, is that William Rutledge is not gaining money from doing that. A third reason is the detailed story he told me in the following interview, full of technical and other specific aspects coherent among them. There are just some incomplete biographical notes about the famous NASA astronauts. But he answered kindly to every single question I have put to him, without hesitation, and he provided several names of the presumed American and Soviet people involved in that classified space mission. Some of them are still alive. It could be interesting to be able having a comment from them. The fourth reason is the quality of the footages on YouTube, which seem consistent with a shot equipment available during the '70s and the first '80s. I asked to an expert in shot, an Italian friend of mine whose name initials are F.D. His comment about the footage spread by William Rutledge was the following: In any case, the public will be the first judge of this story, which could become in the near future the definitive proof that we are not alone in the Universe.
1) Luca Scantamburlo: First of all I want to thank you for your time and availability. It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the people around the world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube after the release of your amazing video footages and information on the presumed "Apollo 20" space mission. Now we can begin our interview. Because of my professional activity, I will start from a skeptical point of view. So please, I kindly ask you to understand it. You will have the space to answer and for explaining your reasons. What is your name? How old are you and are you an American citizen? Sometimes your written English contains some orthographical mistakes? Are you forgetting your language rules (e.g., you wrote "maicroscope" instead of "microscope")? Somebody on the Web said you do not seem (considering your writings) an American-English native land?
2) William Rutledge: I'm not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you cannot imagine what kind of messages I receive. That is my name, William Rutledge, no Standford Rutledge, it's another one. Born in 1930 in Belgium, American citizen, I know about mistakes, I'm writing too fast with arthrose problems and I'm always nervous when I'm writing, it's like trying to contain a flow of water. I'm not accustomed to speak in English anymore since 1990. I have learned Kinyarwanda and use French, sometimes German because Rwanda is a former Belgium-German colony. 6) L.S. Now we can discuss the ancient? alien spaceship? and? the City? on the farside of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship? How big was it and what did you find inside?
~~ W.R. Said: We went inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one. The major parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very old, who crossed the universe at least milliard/Billion of years ago (1.5 Billions years estimated). There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of a vegetation in a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who emitted "tears" of a yellow liquid which has some special medical properties, and of course signs of extra solar creatures. We found remains of little bodies (10cm) living in a network of glass tubes all along the ship, but the major discovery was two bodies, one intact.17) L.S. Did you visit ? the City? on the Moon? Where was it? Did you understand if was there a connection with the Space ship? Are ?the City? and ?the Ship? still there?
~~ W.R. The "City" was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but it appeared to be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts, only one construction seemed intact (we named it the Cathedral). We made shots of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy, exposed to the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it is a very tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the artifacts greater. 18) L.S. What about the ?Mona Lisa EBE?? [the correct Italian name is ? Monna Lisa?] How does she look like and where was she at that time, when you found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she is now?
~~ W.R. Said Mona Lisa ? I don't remember who named the girl, Leonov or me - was the intact EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized, haired, six fingers (we guess that mathematics are based on a dozen). Function; pilot, piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes, no clothes, we had to cut two cables connected to the nose. No nostril. Leonov unfixed the eyes device (you'll see that in the video). concretions of blood or bio liquid erupted and froze from the mouth, nose, eyes and some parts of the body. Some parts of the body were in unusual good condition, (hair) and the skin was protected by a thin transparent protection layer. As we told to mission control, condition seemed not dead not alive. We had no medical background or experience, but Leonov and I used a test, we fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and telemetry received by surgeon (Mission Control meds) was positive. That's another story. Some parts could be unbelievable now, I prefer tell the whole story when other videos will be online. This experience has been filmed in the LM. We found a second body, destroyed, we brought the head on board. Color of the skin was blue gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some strange details above the eyes and the front, a strap around the head, wearing no inscription. The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long semi hexagonal tubes. She is on Earth and she is not dead, but I prefer to post other videos before telling what happened after. 19) L.S. Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft and how old was it?
~~ W.R. The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards/Billions of years, it was confirmed during exploration, we found ejections from the original crust, anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from the impact which formed Izsak D; The density of meteor impacts on the ship validated the age, also little white impacts on the Monaco hill at the West of the ship... You can read the rest of the interview down below.... www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm |
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Post by fixit on Mar 30, 2022 1:15:12 GMT -5
Please give us proof of your security clearance. ** God is my security top secret clearance. that is good enough for me. You're on shaky ground Nathan. Claiming that God convinces you of conspiracy theories is bordering on blasphemy. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 30, 2022 1:40:19 GMT -5
Please give us proof of your security clearance. ** God is my security top secret clearance. that is good enough for me. Standard christian cop out answer 101. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2022 2:05:57 GMT -5
** God is my security top secret clearance. that is good enough for me. You're on shaky ground Nathan. Claiming that God convinces you of conspiracy theories is bordering on blasphemy. A better word than blasphemy would be insanity. |
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 30, 2022 2:39:00 GMT -5
I think I need to put this in a larger font...maybe someone could read it to him!
Nathan - it was and is a hoax, and the author has admitted it....read on
Apollo 20 is, at its core, a good story: a successful mission into the unknown, and an unprecedented US-Soviet collaboration. The Apollo program concluded with a secret epilogue, revealing profound truths about humanity’s place in the universe.
But did it really happen? Less than a year after the videos surfaced, a French artist named Thierry Speth5 claimed to have been behind them. He had, in his career, made sculptures strikingly similar to the Mona Lisa alien, and apparently he was found to use the “retiredafb” name on several websites. The Apollo 20 story also suffers from several logical flaws. For example:
It would be impossible to conceal a Saturn V launch from Vandenberg (see footnotes). Furthermore, all Saturn Vs—four billion dollars apiece—are thoroughly accounted for, with the leftover rockets from Apollo either used for Skylab or put on display.
Why didn’t they make any effort to quarantine the alien? The videos show astronauts operating on the Mona Lisa, inside the lunar module and without wearing spacesuits.
Why do we only see the initial overflight, a distant shot of the city, and the alien? Rutledge mentioned details about the inside of the ship, but he apparently didn’t take pictures of it.
Countless thousands of people worked on each Apollo flight. Someone, from the mission controllers to the ground crew to the medical technicians, would have spilled the beans at some point. Why did it stay completely secret until 2007?
It was clear all along. You see, Apollo 20 was, in fact, a hoax. Nonsense cooked up for the internet age. Not only is it wildly implausible on its own terms, the creator has come out and admitted he fabricated everything. There is no alien spacecraft on the far side of the Moon. Nothing has been covered up. This whole article, from the beginning, was a joke.
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2022 8:34:09 GMT -5
** God is my security top secret clearance. that is good enough for me. You're on shaky ground Nathan. Claiming that God convinces you of conspiracy theories is bordering on blasphemy. |
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2022 8:35:40 GMT -5
** God is my security top secret clearance. that is good enough for me. According to official government records, the last time man ever set foot on the Moon was back in December 1972, when Apollo 17 astronauts Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt spent three days on the lunar surface. What most don’t know is that more Apollo missions were originally planned - Apollo 18, 19 and 20 – all of which were already in the construction and / or in the latter planning stages when they were cancelled in 1972 supposedly due to declining public interest and budget cuts. That was seemingly the case until 2007, when astronaut William Rutledge posted a video to YouTube claiming it to be from the secret Apollo 20 mission. Rutledge claimed Apollo 20’s goal was to explore the polar region of the Moon, on its dark side, and in particular a miles-long crashed spacecraft. Continue reading for five more moon mysteries that will make you wonder. www.techeblog.com/apollo-20-mission-and-5-more-moon-mysteries-that-will-make-you-wonder/NEW AND BAFFLING VIDEO FOOTAGES ON YOUTUBE PROVIDED BY W. RUTLEDGE SEEM TO CORROBORATE HIS AMAZING STORY by Luca Scantamburlo A few weeks ago I interviewed a man by the name of William Rutledge, who has been claiming his identity: he would have been an astronaut during the '70s, employed by the USAF in collaboration with NASA during a secret Space mission. My interview was carried out by my YouTube Account/General Messages. William Rutledge registered himself on YouTube as a man of 76 years old (YouTube user: ?retiredafb?), who now lives in Rwanda. He told me he is an American citizen, now civilian, born in Belgium in 1930 and employed by USAF as test pilot on various aircrafts. According to his report supported by some outstanding videos uploaded on YouTube since April 2007, after the Apollo 17 (December 1972) and the ?Apollo18-Soyuz? mission taken place in July 1975, there were other two missions on the Moon: the Apollo 19 (failed because of <<a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without data>>, see the interview with W.Rutledge) and the Apollo 20 (August 1976), which were both classifed Space missions launched from the Vandenberg Air Force Base (California). www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-NewEvidence.htmWRITTEN INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM RUTLEDGE, AN "APOLLO 20" ASTRONAUT (1976) by Luca Scantamburlo June 30, 2007 A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal Agency like NRO (National Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead reconnaissance, "were declassified in September 1992" (according to its official website). And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon?
William Rutledge (according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda, former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the ?deep throat? who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube, about the presumed Apollo 20 space mission. His user name on YouTube is ?retiredafb?, and the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the Apollo 15 crew. A second reason, in my opinion, is that William Rutledge is not gaining money from doing that. A third reason is the detailed story he told me in the following interview, full of technical and other specific aspects coherent among them. There are just some incomplete biographical notes about the famous NASA astronauts. But he answered kindly to every single question I have put to him, without hesitation, and he provided several names of the presumed American and Soviet people involved in that classified space mission. Some of them are still alive. It could be interesting to be able having a comment from them. The fourth reason is the quality of the footages on YouTube, which seem consistent with a shot equipment available during the '70s and the first '80s. I asked to an expert in shot, an Italian friend of mine whose name initials are F.D. His comment about the footage spread by William Rutledge was the following: In any case, the public will be the first judge of this story, which could become in the near future the definitive proof that we are not alone in the Universe.
1) Luca Scantamburlo: First of all I want to thank you for your time and availability. It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the people around the world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube after the release of your amazing video footages and information on the presumed "Apollo 20" space mission. Now we can begin our interview. Because of my professional activity, I will start from a skeptical point of view. So please, I kindly ask you to understand it. You will have the space to answer and for explaining your reasons. What is your name? How old are you and are you an American citizen? Sometimes your written English contains some orthographical mistakes? Are you forgetting your language rules (e.g., you wrote "maicroscope" instead of "microscope")? Somebody on the Web said you do not seem (considering your writings) an American-English native land?
2) William Rutledge: I'm not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you cannot imagine what kind of messages I receive. That is my name, William Rutledge, no Standford Rutledge, it's another one. Born in 1930 in Belgium, American citizen, I know about mistakes, I'm writing too fast with arthrose problems and I'm always nervous when I'm writing, it's like trying to contain a flow of water. I'm not accustomed to speak in English anymore since 1990. I have learned Kinyarwanda and use French, sometimes German because Rwanda is a former Belgium-German colony. 6) L.S. Now we can discuss the ancient? alien spaceship? and? the City? on the farside of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship? How big was it and what did you find inside?
~~ W.R. Said: We went inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one. The major parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very old, who crossed the universe at least milliard/Billion of years ago (1.5 Billions years estimated). There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of a vegetation in a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who emitted "tears" of a yellow liquid which has some special medical properties, and of course signs of extra solar creatures. We found remains of little bodies (10cm) living in a network of glass tubes all along the ship, but the major discovery was two bodies, one intact.17) L.S. Did you visit ? the City? on the Moon? Where was it? Did you understand if was there a connection with the Space ship? Are ?the City? and ?the Ship? still there?
~~ W.R. The "City" was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but it appeared to be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts, only one construction seemed intact (we named it the Cathedral). We made shots of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy, exposed to the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it is a very tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the artifacts greater. 18) L.S. What about the ?Mona Lisa EBE?? [the correct Italian name is ? Monna Lisa?] How does she look like and where was she at that time, when you found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she is now?
~~ W.R. Said Mona Lisa ? I don't remember who named the girl, Leonov or me - was the intact EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized, haired, six fingers (we guess that mathematics are based on a dozen). Function; pilot, piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes, no clothes, we had to cut two cables connected to the nose. No nostril. Leonov unfixed the eyes device (you'll see that in the video). concretions of blood or bio liquid erupted and froze from the mouth, nose, eyes and some parts of the body. Some parts of the body were in unusual good condition, (hair) and the skin was protected by a thin transparent protection layer. As we told to mission control, condition seemed not dead not alive. We had no medical background or experience, but Leonov and I used a test, we fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and telemetry received by surgeon (Mission Control meds) was positive. That's another story. Some parts could be unbelievable now, I prefer tell the whole story when other videos will be online. This experience has been filmed in the LM. We found a second body, destroyed, we brought the head on board. Color of the skin was blue gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some strange details above the eyes and the front, a strap around the head, wearing no inscription. The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long semi hexagonal tubes. She is on Earth and she is not dead, but I prefer to post other videos before telling what happened after. 19) L.S. Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft and how old was it?
~~ W.R. The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards/Billions of years, it was confirmed during exploration, we found ejections from the original crust, anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from the impact which formed Izsak D; The density of meteor impacts on the ship validated the age, also little white impacts on the Monaco hill at the West of the ship... You can read the rest of the interview down below.... www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm |
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2022 9:09:24 GMT -5
I think I need to put this in a larger font...maybe someone could read it to him!
Nathan - it was and is a hoax, and the author has admitted it....read on
Apollo 20 is, at its core, a good story: a successful mission into the unknown, and an unprecedented US-Soviet collaboration. The Apollo program concluded with a secret epilogue, revealing profound truths about humanity’s place in the universe.
But did it really happen? Less than a year after the videos surfaced, a French artist named Thierry Speth5 claimed to have been behind them. He had, in his career, made sculptures strikingly similar to the Mona Lisa alien, and apparently he was found to use the “retiredafb” name on several websites. The Apollo 20 story also suffers from several logical flaws. For example:
It would be impossible to conceal a Saturn V launch from Vandenberg (see footnotes). Furthermore, all Saturn Vs—four billion dollars apiece—are thoroughly accounted for, with the leftover rockets from Apollo either used for Skylab or put on display.
Why didn’t they make any effort to quarantine the alien? The videos show astronauts operating on the Mona Lisa, inside the lunar module and without wearing spacesuits.
Why do we only see the initial overflight, a distant shot of the city, and the alien? Rutledge mentioned details about the inside of the ship, but he apparently didn’t take pictures of it.
Countless thousands of people worked on each Apollo flight. Someone, from the mission controllers to the ground crew to the medical technicians, would have spilled the beans at some point. Why did it stay completely secret until 2007?
It was clear all along. You see, Apollo 20 was, in fact, a hoax. Nonsense cooked up for the internet age. Not only is it wildly implausible on its own terms, the creator has come out and admitted he fabricated everything. There is no alien spacecraft on the far side of the Moon. Nothing has been covered up. This whole article, from the beginning, was a joke.
letsgetoffthisrockalready.com/2021/04/18/apollo-20-the-dark-side-of-the-moon/
You need to read the Interview of the REAL William Rutledge the Captain of the Apollo20 mission NOT some author who had NOT been there himself to see it, he just expressed his opinion, Prag. You should KNOW better than that, Prag. You are doing a very poor job here to discredit me for believing William Rutledge true story.
www.angelismarriti.it/ANGELISMARRITI-ENG/REPORTS_ARTICLES/Apollo20-InterviewWithWilliamRutledge.htm
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Post by nathan on Mar 30, 2022 9:20:13 GMT -5
Prag, take the lesson from Ram/Mountain.
6/17/19 Mountain/RAM wrote:
Anyway, I have to say that you are a very hard man to fool, Nathan. You meticulously research anything before you will believe it as fact. Such screening makes it very difficult to convince you of anything. I'm sure many on this board will share my views regarding your proneness to detail and doubting. Therefore I would strongly advise anyone who doubts anything that you post, that they likewise venture on the quest of meticulous research before doing so. You've set the standard. Let others follow.
Consider Nathan. An extremely intelligent character, who carries out meticulous research before presenting his views on here. Basically he is second to none. Have you noticed that there are several atheists on this board and every time Nathan engages them he wipes the floor with their arguments. Have you ever considered that these atheists are mere concoctions of Nathan, whom he shoots down time and again with his views, leaving himself the master of the debate. Generally there is no contest. Nathan wins hands down every time. They have no answer to him. Have you ever wondered why that is?
2) Ram/Mountain wrote in 6/25/21
Firstly, I do not want anyone to jump to the conclusion that I am supporting or encouraging Nathan! I have had my differences and dare I say heated exchanges with this dear fellow over the years. Nevertheless I do insist on a fair and unbalanced approach. I seek this from others, often unsuccessfully, in my exchanges, but do seek to extend this principle to others and that includes Nathan.
Secondly, Nathan has received much criticism and ridicule for his beliefs on this board and most recently on this thread. Such things are fair in my opinion if they are deserved, especially when a person brings it upon themselves. However, in assessing the merits of the case I always look at the evidence with an open mind in a fair, balanced way without showing fear, favor, malice, ill will to anyone. It was part of my training. I go where the evidence, properly viewed, leads me.
Much has been alleged about 'ridiculous statements' made by Nathan, but I look for the supporting evidence and I am at a loss to see even one, yes even one, carefully prepared, competent rebuttal of even one of his statements. Plenty of emotion, opinion, bias, beliefs, etc., but yet not a single properly constructed opposing viewpoint, sufficient in its content, to devour what Nathan expresses. That such arguments may be able to be prepared is not the issue. I simply await their presentation. I am not rejecting any statement made against Nathan, I merely ask for proper support for the various positions claimed.
I too used to, almost impulsively jump in and challenge some of Nathan's offerings. Take the occasion, some time ago now, when Nathan clearly stated for all to see, that the NAZIs had secret, even top secret bases in occupied Europe during the Second World War.
Initially I found such ideas amusing to say the least, and thankfully I remained quiet with this one, rather than jump in and challenge it, because not long afterwards I came across other verifiable sources fully supporting the claims that Nathan had made. The NAZIs did indeed have secret bases in occupied Europe during the Second World War, even top secret ones. This makes one careful, very careful, about being too swift to challenge such matters in the future, especially from the same source. Egg on the face to RAM (as it was then). That's not happening again!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2022 11:04:06 GMT -5
Prag, take the lesson from Ram/Mountain.
6/17/19 Mountain/RAM wrote: Anyway, I have to say that you are a very hard man to fool, Nathan. You meticulously research anything before you will believe it as fact. Such screening makes it very difficult to convince you of anything. I'm sure many on this board will share my views regarding your proneness to detail and doubting. Therefore I would strongly advise anyone who doubts anything that you post, that they likewise venture on the quest of meticulous research before doing so. You've set the standard. Let others follow. Consider Nathan. An extremely intelligent character, who carries out meticulous research before presenting his views on here. Basically he is second to none. Have you noticed that there are several atheists on this board and every time Nathan engages them he wipes the floor with their arguments. Have you ever considered that these atheists are mere concoctions of Nathan, whom he shoots down time and again with his views, leaving himself the master of the debate. Generally there is no contest. Nathan wins hands down every time. They have no answer to him. Have you ever wondered why that is? 2) Ram/Mountain wrote in 6/25/21 Firstly, I do not want anyone to jump to the conclusion that I am supporting or encouraging Nathan! I have had my differences and dare I say heated exchanges with this dear fellow over the years. Nevertheless I do insist on a fair and unbalanced approach. I seek this from others, often unsuccessfully, in my exchanges, but do seek to extend this principle to others and that includes Nathan. Secondly, Nathan has received much criticism and ridicule for his beliefs on this board and most recently on this thread. Such things are fair in my opinion if they are deserved, especially when a person brings it upon themselves. However, in assessing the merits of the case I always look at the evidence with an open mind in a fair, balanced way without showing fear, favor, malice, ill will to anyone. It was part of my training. I go where the evidence, properly viewed, leads me. Much has been alleged about 'ridiculous statements' made by Nathan, but I look for the supporting evidence and I am at a loss to see even one, yes even one, carefully prepared, competent rebuttal of even one of his statements. Plenty of emotion, opinion, bias, beliefs, etc., but yet not a single properly constructed opposing viewpoint, sufficient in its content, to devour what Nathan expresses. That such arguments may be able to be prepared is not the issue. I simply await their presentation. I am not rejecting any statement made against Nathan, I merely ask for proper support for the various positions claimed. I too used to, almost impulsively jump in and challenge some of Nathan's offerings. Take the occasion, some time ago now, when Nathan clearly stated for all to see, that the NAZIs had secret, even top secret bases in occupied Europe during the Second World War. Initially I found such ideas amusing to say the least, and thankfully I remained quiet with this one, rather than jump in and challenge it, because not long afterwards I came across other verifiable sources fully supporting the claims that Nathan had made. The NAZIs did indeed have secret bases in occupied Europe during the Second World War, even top secret ones. This makes one careful, very careful, about being too swift to challenge such matters in the future, especially from the same source. Egg on the face to RAM (as it was then). That's not happening again! |
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Post by nathan02 on Mar 30, 2022 11:27:40 GMT -5
Prag, take the lesson from Ram/Mountain.
6/17/19 Mountain/RAM wrote: Anyway, I have to say that you are a very hard man to fool, Nathan. You meticulously research anything before you will believe it as fact. Such screening makes it very difficult to convince you of anything. I'm sure many on this board will share my views regarding your proneness to detail and doubting. Therefore I would strongly advise anyone who doubts anything that you post, that they likewise venture on the quest of meticulous research before doing so. You've set the standard. Let others follow. Consider Nathan. An extremely intelligent character, who carries out meticulous research before presenting his views on here. Basically he is second to none. Have you noticed that there are several atheists on this board and every time Nathan engages them he wipes the floor with their arguments. Have you ever considered that these atheists are mere concoctions of Nathan, whom he shoots down time and again with his views, leaving himself the master of the debate. Generally there is no contest. Nathan wins hands down every time. They have no answer to him. Have you ever wondered why that is? 2) Ram/Mountain wrote in 6/25/21 Firstly, I do not want anyone to jump to the conclusion that I am supporting or encouraging Nathan! I have had my differences and dare I say heated exchanges with this dear fellow over the years. Nevertheless I do insist on a fair and unbalanced approach. I seek this from others, often unsuccessfully, in my exchanges, but do seek to extend this principle to others and that includes Nathan. Secondly, Nathan has received much criticism and ridicule for his beliefs on this board and most recently on this thread. Such things are fair in my opinion if they are deserved, especially when a person brings it upon themselves. However, in assessing the merits of the case I always look at the evidence with an open mind in a fair, balanced way without showing fear, favor, malice, ill will to anyone. It was part of my training. I go where the evidence, properly viewed, leads me. Much has been alleged about 'ridiculous statements' made by Nathan, but I look for the supporting evidence and I am at a loss to see even one, yes even one, carefully prepared, competent rebuttal of even one of his statements. Plenty of emotion, opinion, bias, beliefs, etc., but yet not a single properly constructed opposing viewpoint, sufficient in its content, to devour what Nathan expresses. That such arguments may be able to be prepared is not the issue. I simply await their presentation. I am not rejecting any statement made against Nathan, I merely ask for proper support for the various positions claimed. I too used to, almost impulsively jump in and challenge some of Nathan's offerings. Take the occasion, some time ago now, when Nathan clearly stated for all to see, that the NAZIs had secret, even top secret bases in occupied Europe during the Second World War. Initially I found such ideas amusing to say the least, and thankfully I remained quiet with this one, rather than jump in and challenge it, because not long afterwards I came across other verifiable sources fully supporting the claims that Nathan had made. The NAZIs did indeed have secret bases in occupied Europe during the Second World War, even top secret ones. This makes one careful, very careful, about being too swift to challenge such matters in the future, especially from the same source. Egg on the face to RAM (as it was then). That's not happening again! ** Come on doubting Thomas you and your buddies on here MUST do a better job.... than just to say it's a hoax, a Fraud and a sucker. That is all you can come up with NO Rebuttal against the MAN/Captain of the Apollo 20 Mission on the far side of the moon then you are a biggest looser of them all. |
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Post by fixit on Mar 30, 2022 11:29:50 GMT -5
You're on shaky ground Nathan. Claiming that God convinces you of conspiracy theories is bordering on blasphemy. Maybe curlywurlysammagee had a better comeback... Insanity. |
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Post by nathan02 on Mar 30, 2022 11:48:45 GMT -5
Is that the best come back you can come up with? that is a pathetic come back. You and your unbelievers don't even understand or know what is reality or conspiracy theories are, elder. Maybe curlywurlysammagee had a better comeback... Insanity. ** All he ever come up with sillies words just like you such as fraud, insanity, sucker and so on without any good rebuttal informatio. Words are cheap shots and don't help much for his side of thing. |
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 30, 2022 13:19:42 GMT -5
** All he ever come up with sillies words just like you such as fraud, insanity, sucker and so on without any good rebuttal informatio. Words are cheap shots and don't help much for his side of thing. The problems with your stories have been pointed out to you many times over the years. That you are too thick to take that on board is your problem, not anyone elses. |
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Post by Annan on Mar 30, 2022 14:07:00 GMT -5
You can tell when someone gets under Natue’s skin as he writes epistle after epistle and resorts to copious amounts of copy. 🤣
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Post by nathan02 on Mar 30, 2022 14:30:47 GMT -5
** All he ever come up with sillies words just like you such as fraud, insanity, sucker and so on without any good rebuttal informatio. Words are cheap shots and don't help much for his side of thing. The problems with your stories have been pointed out to you many times over the years. That you are too thick to take that on board is your problem, not anyone elses. ** You and your doubting Thomas rebuttal on are too weak! Against what I posted most of the time. You guys and gals need to do better to change my mind to accept your point of views, opinions, and suggestions. |
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Post by fixit on Mar 30, 2022 14:55:07 GMT -5
The problems with your stories have been pointed out to you many times over the years. That you are too thick to take that on board is your problem, not anyone elses. ** You and your doubting Thomas rebuttal on are too weak! Against what I posted most of the time. You guys and gals need to do better to change my mind to accept your point of views, opinions, and suggestions. Your conspiracy theories and science fiction are too stupid for us to even know where to start. Besides...a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. |
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Post by mrdobalina on Mar 30, 2022 15:06:54 GMT -5
The problems with your stories have been pointed out to you many times over the years. That you are too thick to take that on board is your problem, not anyone elses. ** You and your doubting Thomas rebuttal on are too weak! Against what I posted most of the time. You guys and gals need to do better to change my mind to accept your point of views, opinions, and suggestions. I guess you have proved curlys point right there. Doubting Thomas is another typical Christian cop out answer when on the back foot, and contains zero substance, apart from to lay the blame with the other person for not drinking from your cup of stupidity without question. It is impossible to reason a man out of an opinion he didn't reason himself into in the first place. So, to round up the narcissistic gaslighting in that post, 1 "you and your doubting thomas rebuttal" 2 "Too weak against your superiority" 3 "We need to do better 4 ''To change YOUR mind 5 "To accept our opinions" That has to be some kind of world record for maximum gaslighting in a minimum of words, and not two full lines of text. |
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Post by Grant on Mar 30, 2022 15:12:25 GMT -5
The problems with your stories have been pointed out to you many times over the years. That you are too thick to take that on board is your problem, not anyone elses. ** You and your doubting Thomas rebuttal on are too weak! Against what I posted most of the time. You guys and gals need to do better to change my mind to accept your point of views, opinions, and suggestions. Nathan, it is your arguments which are weak. Do you wonder why no one believes what you write but do what Prags and others write. It's because your information is too weak. You doubting Thomas, numbers speak. |
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Post by fixit on Mar 30, 2022 15:14:47 GMT -5
The problems with your stories have been pointed out to you many times over the years. That you are too thick to take that on board is your problem, not anyone elses. ** You and your doubting Thomas rebuttal on are too weak! Against what I posted most of the time. You guys and gals need to do better to change my mind to accept your point of views, opinions, and suggestions. I nominate Wally for this task. You both live in PNW so give up sniffing gas for a day and sit down with Wally and listen to him without an "I know better" attitude. |
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Post by nathan02 on Mar 30, 2022 16:05:19 GMT -5
** You and your doubting Thomas rebuttal on are too weak! Against what I posted most of the time. You guys and gals need to do better to change my mind to accept your point of views, opinions, and suggestions. I nominate Wally for this task. You both live in PNW so give up sniffing gas for a day and sit down with Wally and listen to him without an "I know better" attitude. ** I do listen to Wally's advice... Come on what is this sniffing gas stuff? How low can to stoop, elder. |
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