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Post by Dan on Oct 11, 2021 19:00:44 GMT -5
Its called democracy... People have a right to make their voices heard, especially when the people who represent them are in the process of validating a fraudulent election.
Treason is betraying one's country, that includes counting fake votes.
In the eyes of the protestors, the only treason that occurred on Jan 6th is what took place in the halls of congress.
We have been though all this before, Dan.
Even if "protestors" believed that there was problem with the election, -that is NOT the way a democracy of 'law & order" takes care of problems!
Just for one minute, Dan; -would you just do this; -stop & consider that if your neighbor thought you were doing something wrong that hurt him in some way and he decided to get some of his friends together and he would take care of the problem by breaking the windows of your house with your family in it, break down doors all the while yelling "Hang Dan!"
You would be one of the the first to send them all to prison for life!
If I stole something from my neighbors and I refused to make it right, I'd pretty much expect them to be angry enough to break a few windows. And I can assure you that if one of my neighbor ladies walked into my house to express her opinion, I surely wouldn't have blown her head off.
That's what the protest (not insurrection) was all about...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 19:45:07 GMT -5
Treason? you want to talk about committing "treason?"
What do you call Trump telling those rebels to march down to the Capital, -the very seat of our democracy in the middle of an validation of an election?
There is your definition of "treason!" he said peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard...that is not treason...grab a clue.... www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-01-13/transcript-of-trumps-speech-at-rally-before-us-capitol-riot"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." He later, after an incredible rambling diatribe says, "And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore." In fact, most of his speech involving any sort of action on the part of his voters involved 'fighting'. Metaphorical...wink wink.... It's almost like he put the "peacefully and patriotically" part in as a legal disclaimer. He has set up enough business deals to include the fine print. The fine print in his speech here was something like: ***Donald Trump only condones peaceful protests. The blatantly false claims contained in this speech, as well as the consistent insistence to fight, are meant to be symbolic and non-literal. Donald Trump holds no liability for the actions of his followers.***
He also says he's going to march down with them... What a bunch of suckers!
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 11, 2021 20:10:10 GMT -5
he said peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard...that is not treason...grab a clue.... "peacefully and patriotically?" -good example of selective hearing, wally.If I recall Trump promised they would "fight" to get their way. Okay, that was his version of peacefully. Let's see what it looks like when he loses his patience with "peacefully".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 23:20:21 GMT -5
True - but would it not also be true that she wasn't speaking to a crowd of conspiracy believers waving Confederate flags and claiming something as consequential as an entire election was "stolen" and "illegal"? I go 50/50 on Trump's role in Jan 6th. No doubt he was the lightning rod, but I can also see why he wasn't impeached successfully.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 23:34:10 GMT -5
True - but would it not also be true that she wasn't speaking to a crowd of conspiracy believers waving Confederate flags and claiming something as consequential as an entire election was "stolen" and "illegal"? I go 50/50 on Trump's role in Jan 6th. No doubt he was the lightning rod, but I can also see why he wasn't impeached successfully. Followers are followers...
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Post by christiansburg on Oct 12, 2021 9:07:33 GMT -5
I wonder whether Tugger Carlson has been vaccinated for Polio and TB? Polio,TB, Smallpos, etc. have proven track records. This current vaccine does not. One year has shown that people die from Covid-19 and also the vaccine. I'm sure you have seen the VAERS report but the problem with that is they are not reporting all the deaths and disabilities. To take the vaccine you have to put a blindfold on and jump in with the crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 10:46:25 GMT -5
I wonder whether Tugger Carlson has been vaccinated for Polio and TB? Polio,TB, Smallpos, etc. have proven track records. This current vaccine does not. One year has shown that people die from Covid-19 and also the vaccine. I'm sure you have seen the VAERS report but the problem with that is they are not reporting all the deaths and disabilities. To take the vaccine you have to put a blindfold on and jump in with the crowd. If you believe what you're saying, kindly don't get vaccinated. For anything, ever. More than one way to fix a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 14:02:14 GMT -5
Polio,TB, Smallpos, etc. have proven track records. This current vaccine does not. One year has shown that people die from Covid-19 and also the vaccine. I'm sure you have seen the VAERS report but the problem with that is they are not reporting all the deaths and disabilities. To take the vaccine you have to put a blindfold on and jump in with the crowd. If you believe what you're saying, kindly don't get vaccinated. For anything, ever. More than one way to fix a problem. If a vaccine has gone through a 5-10 year trial I see no problems with taking it. It is how almost every vaccine has been developed before covid except for the mumps which took 4 years. And before we throw out the old flu vaccines read about the almost Thirty year period it took to develop the flu vaccine. weather.com/health/news/2021-01-21-how-long-did-it-take-to-develop-the-flu-shot
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 16:12:02 GMT -5
If you believe what you're saying, kindly don't get vaccinated. For anything, ever. More than one way to fix a problem. If a vaccine has gone through a 5-10 year trial I see no problems with taking it. It is how almost every vaccine has been developed before covid except for the mumps which took 4 years. And before we throw out the old flu vaccines read about the almost Thirty year period it took to develop the flu vaccine. weather.com/health/news/2021-01-21-how-long-did-it-take-to-develop-the-flu-shot So in general, the longer a class of drugs is on the market, the safer abs more effective they will be. True enough. For a new emerging virus, the criteria of 5 year trial is of course impossible by definition. If that is one's criteria, then by all means wait 5 to 10 years to get the COVID vaccine. Given the epidemiology of this virus, the net effect will be the same as if one didn't get it. My concern is with government tyranny. Vaccines are one thing, but I came to realize that we aren't even free to walk where we want to in this country. Did you know it's against the law for a pedestrian to walk around on the freeway? Talk about overreach! Most people I've known who have walked on a road didn't get run over. I think we need to exercise our rights to not get vaccinated, and walk around on public roads!
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 13, 2021 11:22:09 GMT -5
If you believe what you're saying, kindly don't get vaccinated. For anything, ever. More than one way to fix a problem. If a vaccine has gone through a 5-10 year trial I see no problems with taking it. It is how almost every vaccine has been developed before covid except for the mumps which took 4 years. And before we throw out the old flu vaccines read about the almost Thirty year period it took to develop the flu vaccine. weather.com/health/news/2021-01-21-how-long-did-it-take-to-develop-the-flu-sho OK Wally.
But just how many people, -including yourself & perhaps your mother, -are you willing to see die in that 5-10 years you want to wait until you think that everything is ''okey-doke' with the Covid vaccines?
Yes, -it DID took a longer time in the past to develop vaccines.
But everything, including the ability to transmit information quickly, -in fact simultaneously around the whole world has increased in the years since those days of trying to develop the polio vaccine for instance?
PS: -Having lived in a time when we had to wait a few minutes to hear a response on the radio from some one in Europe during WWII, -I admit I don't understand how I can post something here and get a response in seconds from someone in Australia, but I accept it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 12:37:06 GMT -5
OK Wally.
But just how many people, -including yourself & perhaps your mother, -are you willing to see die in that 5-10 years you want to wait until you think that everything is ''okey-doke' with the Covid vaccines?
Yes, -it DID took a longer time in the past to develop vaccines.
But everything, including the ability to transmit information quickly, -in fact simultaneously around the whole world has increased in the years since those days of trying to develop the polio vaccine for instance?
PS: -Having lived in a time when we had to wait a few minutes to hear a response on the radio from some one in Europe during WWII, -I admit I don't understand how I can post something here and get a response in seconds from someone in Australia, but I accept it.It depends, how many more are you willing to kill to suit the powers that be.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 13, 2021 13:16:20 GMT -5
OK Wally.
But just how many people, -including yourself & perhaps your mother, -are you willing to see die in that 5-10 years you want to wait until you think that everything is ''okey-doke' with the Covid vaccines?
Yes, -it DID took a longer time in the past to develop vaccines.
But everything, including the ability to transmit information quickly, -in fact simultaneously around the whole world has increased in the years since those days of trying to develop the polio vaccine for instance?
PS: -Having lived in a time when we had to wait a few minutes to hear a response on the radio from some one in Europe during WWII, -I admit I don't understand how I can post something here and get a response in seconds from someone in Australia, but I accept it.It depends, how many more are you willing to kill to suit the powers that be. Has nothing at all to do with any "powers that be." wally.
You seem to think that everything that happens has to do with someone with "power!"
That is the very reason you aren't able to understand the Covid problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 13:46:24 GMT -5
It depends, how many more are you willing to kill to suit the powers that be. Has nothing at all to do with any "powers that be." wally.
You seem to think that everything that happens has to do with someone with "power!"
That is the very reason you aren't able to understand the Covid problem.
There are none so blind as those who will not see...fits you to a T...
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Post by verna on Oct 13, 2021 14:10:40 GMT -5
It depends, how many more are you willing to kill to suit the powers that be. Has nothing at all to do with any "powers that be." wally.
You seem to think that everything that happens has to do with someone with "power!"
That is the very reason you aren't able to understand the Covid problem.
I think you’re on to something Dmg. Life gets much more palatable when you stop seeing everything as a power struggle and believing that someone is always out to get us - from the government to the devil. Having said that, I am not saying that there are not real injustices in the world.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 14, 2021 21:02:36 GMT -5
We have been though all this before, Dan.
Even if "protestors" believed that there was problem with the election, -that is NOT the way a democracy of 'law & order" takes care of problems!
Just for one minute, Dan; -would you just do this; -stop & consider that if your neighbor thought you were doing something wrong that hurt him in some way and he decided to get some of his friends together and he would take care of the problem by breaking the windows of your house with your family in it, break down doors all the while yelling "Hang Dan!"
You would be one of the the first to send them all to prison for life! If I stole something from my neighbors and I refused to make it right, I'd pretty much expect them to be angry enough to break a few windows. And I can assure you that if one of my neighbor ladies walked into my house to express her opinion, I surely wouldn't have blown her head off. That's what the protest (not insurrection) was all about...
Dan, -that poster is an absolute LIE! Our legislators did NOT vote and could NOT vote for something like that!
You may lack knowledgeable enough to where you actually believe that they could do anything like that but anyone with even a high-school course in government would know better.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 14, 2021 21:16:51 GMT -5
We have been though all this before, Dan.
Even if "protestors" believed that there was problem with the election, -that is NOT the way a democracy of 'law & order" takes care of problems!
Just for one minute, Dan; -would you just do this; -stop & consider that if your neighbor thought you were doing something wrong that hurt him in some way and he decided to get some of his friends together and he would take care of the problem by breaking the windows of your house with your family in it, break down doors all the while yelling "Hang Dan!"
You would be one of the the first to send them all to prison for life! If I stole something from my neighbors and I refused to make it right, I'd pretty much expect them to be angry enough to break a few windows.
And I can assure you that if one of my neighbor ladies walked into my house to express her opinion, I surely wouldn't have blown her head off.
That's what the protest (not insurrection) was all about...
So, -then Dan, -are you saying that you do not want to live according the order of laws of a democracy?
So, Dan are you saying that you want to live however you like using the "law of the jungle?" -the strongest one rules?
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 15, 2021 0:25:19 GMT -5
... and you, wally, don't understand the reason behind those bills: Take this bill for example.
www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr1
Specifically, the bill expands voter registration (e.g., automatic and same-day registration) and voting access (e.g., vote-by-mail and early voting).
It also limits removing voters from voter rolls.
Now Wally, Can you tell me what is wrong with "expanding the ability for people to register" if they are eligible and qualified?
Also can you give me a reason it is wrong with increasing "voting access (e.g., vote-by-mail and early voting) if people are qualified?
Why should "voters be removed from voter rolls" accept for a valid reason?
What you and many others do not realize is these facts: (probably because you all have neve took even one political science in your whole life)
1# There less Republicans than Democrats in the US 2# Republicans are more apt to be vote partly because they are usually in a higher economic level and therefore it is easier for them to have the time and means to get to the polls than Democrats.
Therefore the Republicans want to do everything they can to lessen the ability for any possible Democrat to go to the polls.
So as conniving as the Republicans are, -they are not dumb!
They want to cut down on peoples access to vote in any and every way possible; -make it impossible for them to register and vote the same day! (So they have to make two trips which would cost them more making them less able to do so)
Cut down voting hours! -because lower income families often don't have the luxury of voting during regular poll hours that close at 6pm!
Same reason to cut out "mail-in voting!" -even cut down on the number of voting places so people have a harder time getting to the polls!
That is what this is all about, wally!
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 15, 2021 0:49:01 GMT -5
We have been though all this before, Dan.
Even if "protestors" believed that there was problem with the election, -that is NOT the way a democracy of 'law & order" takes care of problems!
Just for one minute, Dan; -would you just do this; -stop & consider that if your neighbor thought you were doing something wrong that hurt him in some way and he decided to get some of his friends together and he would take care of the problem by breaking the windows of your house with your family in it, break down doors all the while yelling "Hang Dan!"
You would be one of the the first to send them all to prison for life! If I stole something from my neighbors and I refused to make it right, I'd pretty much expect them to be angry enough to break a few windows. And I can assure you that if one of my neighbor ladies walked into my house to express her opinion, I surely wouldn't have blown her head off. That's what the protest (not insurrection) was all about...
Dan, -get our facts straight.
The "woman" who "walked" into the Capital building was not a "neighbor" nor did she just walk into the building through the "door" but through a "window" which had been broken out on purpose for her to be able to do so! By your attempt to re-write history you are losing all credibility.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 1:16:39 GMT -5
... and you, wally, don't understand the reason behind those bills: Take this bill for example.
www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr1
Specifically, the bill expands voter registration (e.g., automatic and same-day registration) and voting access (e.g., vote-by-mail and early voting).
It also limits removing voters from voter rolls.
Now Wally, Can you tell me what is wrong with "expanding the ability for people to register" if they are eligible and qualified?
Also can you give me a reason it is wrong with increasing "voting access (e.g., vote-by-mail and early voting) if people are qualified?
Why should "voters be removed from voter rolls" accept for a valid reason?
What you and many others do not realize is these facts: (probably because you all have neve took even one political science in your whole life)
1# There less Republicans than Democrats in the US 2# Republicans are more apt to be vote partly because they are usually in a higher economic level and therefore it is easier for them to have the time and means to get to the polls than Democrats.
Therefore the Republicans want to do everything they can to lessen the ability for any possible Democrat to go to the polls.
So as conniving as the Republicans are, -they are not dumb!
They want to cut down on peoples access to vote in any and every way possible; -make it impossible for them to register and vote the same day! (So they have to make two trips which would cost them more making them less able to do so)
Cut down voting hours! -because lower income families often don't have the luxury of voting during regular poll hours that close at 6pm!
Same reason to cut out "mail-in voting!" -even cut down on the number of voting places so people have a harder time getting to the polls!
That is what this is all about, wally!
Nice dodge of my point... Uh Oh gonna need a source for #1 and #2.... Depends on what they mean by qualified or eligible for most of your rant.... Removal of dead people, people that have moved and felons should not be that controversial... Speculation at best as to motives. Voting places are open until Seven-Nine pm in every state but 1(indiana Six pm) even still the Polls are open Twelve hours: ballotpedia.org/State_Poll_Opening_and_Closing_Times_(2020)<<<< center, Very High fact checking That is not what its all about....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 1:19:19 GMT -5
If I stole something from my neighbors and I refused to make it right, I'd pretty much expect them to be angry enough to break a few windows. And I can assure you that if one of my neighbor ladies walked into my house to express her opinion, I surely wouldn't have blown her head off. That's what the protest (not insurrection) was all about...
Dan, -get our facts straight.
The "woman" who "walked" into the Capital building was not a "neighbor" nor did she just walk into the building through the "door" but through a "window" which had been broken out on purpose for her to be able to do so! By your attempt to re-write history you are losing all credibility.I thought everyone was our "neighbor" and that it was "Love your neighbor as yourself". What happened?
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Post by Dan on Oct 15, 2021 1:20:43 GMT -5
If I stole something from my neighbors and I refused to make it right, I'd pretty much expect them to be angry enough to break a few windows.
And I can assure you that if one of my neighbor ladies walked into my house to express her opinion, I surely wouldn't have blown her head off.
That's what the protest (not insurrection) was all about...
So, -then Dan, -are you saying that you do not want to live according to the order of laws of a democracy?
So, Dan are you saying that you want to live however you like using the "law of the jungle?" -the strongest one rules?
No, I'm suggesting that when the laws governing an election aren't fair, when fake votes are solicited and manufactured to negate legitimate votes, then you don't have a democracy.
When ballot harvesting nullifies real votes, or when voters aren't required to identify themselves, then people should speak out against fraud. That's all the protestors in D.C. were doing. I didn't see it as jungle law, I just saw people exercising their first amendment rights. Of course some of them got emotionally carried away, but when your convinced that you got cheated and the politicians just ignored your complaints, frustration and anger will often rue the day.
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Post by Dan on Oct 15, 2021 1:35:26 GMT -5
If I stole something from my neighbors and I refused to make it right, I'd pretty much expect them to be angry enough to break a few windows. And I can assure you that if one of my neighbor ladies walked into my house to express her opinion, I surely wouldn't have blown her head off. That's what the protest (not insurrection) was all about...
Dan, -get our facts straight.
The "woman" who "walked" into the Capital building was not a "neighbor" nor did she just walk into the building through the "door" but through a "window" which had been broken out on purpose for her to be able to do so! By your attempt to re-write history you are losing all credibility.
Oh... Well since you explained it like that, I guess any women entering a building through a window instead of the door deserves to get shot in the throat and killed... Come on now!!
I'm not re-writing history, I just don't think killing a woman for a misdemeanor is justifiable, even if she wasn't my neighbor.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 15, 2021 1:58:16 GMT -5
So, -then Dan, -are you saying that you do not want to live according to the order of laws of a democracy?
So, Dan are you saying that you want to live however you like using the "law of the jungle?" -the strongest one rules? No, I'm suggesting that when the laws governing an election aren't fair, when fake votes are solicited and manufactured to negate legitimate votes, then you don't have a democracy. When ballot harvesting nullifies real votes, or when voters aren't required to identify themselves, then people should speak out against fraud. That's all the protestors in D.C. were doing. I didn't see it as jungle law, I just saw people exercising their first amendment rights. Of course some of them got emotionally carried away, but when your convinced that you got cheated and the politicians just ignored your complaints, frustration and anger will often rue the day. Dan, If you aren't able understand that those people were not just being "emotionally carried away" but were well prepared and organized and came to Washington at the instigation and urging of the very President of the United States of America to do exactly what they did, -invade the very seat of our government; then there is no way that I can convince you.
You will just have to believe what you want to believe. We dodged the bullet that time.
But if people like yourself continue to believe that & you win, -we are going to lose our democracy. Much wiser heads than I realize that.
I am getting too tired of trying anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 4:36:55 GMT -5
No, I'm suggesting that when the laws governing an election aren't fair, when fake votes are solicited and manufactured to negate legitimate votes, then you don't have a democracy. When ballot harvesting nullifies real votes, or when voters aren't required to identify themselves, then people should speak out against fraud. That's all the protestors in D.C. were doing. I didn't see it as jungle law, I just saw people exercising their first amendment rights. Of course some of them got emotionally carried away, but when your convinced that you got cheated and the politicians just ignored your complaints, frustration and anger will often rue the day. Dan, If you aren't able understand that those people were not just being "emotionally carried away" but were well prepared and organized and came to Washington at the instigation and urging of the very President of the United States of America to do exactly what they did, -invade the very seat of our government; then there is no way that I can convince you.
You will just have to believe what you want to believe. We dodged the bullet that time.
But if people like yourself continue to believe that & you win, -we are going to lose our democracy. Much wiser heads than I realize that.
I am getting too tired of trying anymore.Your kind of democracy ain't democracy its been corrupted by socialism. The founding fathers did NOT want a pure democracy either that is why they chose a Constitutional Federal Republic form of gov't.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 15, 2021 16:53:34 GMT -5
Dan, If you aren't able understand that those people were not just being "emotionally carried away" but were well prepared and organized and came to Washington at the instigation and urging of the very President of the United States of America to do exactly what they did, -invade the very seat of our government; then there is no way that I can convince you.
You will just have to believe what you want to believe. We dodged the bullet that time.
But if people like yourself continue to believe that & you win, -we are going to lose our democracy. Much wiser heads than I realize that.
I am getting too tired of trying anymore. Your kind of democracy ain't democracy its been corrupted by socialism. The founding fathers did NOT want a pure democracy either that is why they chose a Constitutional Federal Republic form of gov't. Wally, the kind of "democracy" that you have been supporting via Trump is a fraud and on the the fast track to a dictatorship allowing Trump to be the dictator.
Actually wally, I am so disgusted with you & those who support Trump that since you can't seem to see that Trump is like the the Wizard of Oz, -all smoke & mirrors playing with you behind a curtain until you all give him the power that he craves; that I am beginning to think that you deserve life under Trump.
Problem is, it won't be just you all that will suffer when you finally wake up; -so will all the rest of us!
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