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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 14:07:18 GMT -5
Did I hurt your feelings little one? Poke the witch and she pokes back. Poke me one more time you will get what you deserve. Be respectful and I will do the same. Don't poke the bear then the bear will NOT attack in return. Perhaps the best thing for you to do is to block me, Nate. If I irritate you that much, it is an easy solution. I’m surprised the admin hasn’t suggested it all the times you’ve cried to him.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 14:32:08 GMT -5
Poke me one more time you will get what you deserve. Be respectful and I will do the same. Don't poke the bear then the bear will NOT attack in return. Perhaps the best thing for you to do is to block me, Nate. If I irritate you that much, it is an easy solution. I’m surprised the admin hasn’t suggested it all the times you’ve cried to him. *** I must monitoring you daily so you don't go postal and hurt yourself and be sent to the corner to cool down.
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 14:33:06 GMT -5
Perhaps the best thing for you to do is to block me, Nate. If I irritate you that much, it is an easy solution. I’m surprised the admin hasn’t suggested it all the times you’ve cried to him. *** I must monitoring you daily so you don't go postal and hurt yourself and be sent to the corner to cool down. *** Ditto.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 19, 2021 14:50:15 GMT -5
Poke me one more time you will get what you deserve. Be respectful and I will do the same. Don't poke the bear then the bear will NOT attack in return. That’s a laugh. You are constantly threatening me and others on this forum. If it’s not hellfire and damnation, you’re threatening to go to the admin. Grow up, Nate. It’s time to wear the big boy panties. I'll threat you with passing a good time and enjoying some of these: whattomaketoeat.com/cajun-dinner-ideas/
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 19, 2021 14:50:45 GMT -5
you do not understand forums in any way whatsoever...good try though That doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go. You appear to be condoning bad social media behaviour. Wally, you could be an influence for the better, if you chose to. You are professing. You could be an influence for the better on here, if you chose to. I note your nastiness to the professing downunder. I cringe when I read your posts. From an ex reading all this-stuff , from you to other members of the same church, it is disconcerting. I think you and Nathan have lost sight of the fact most of us have been part of the church and know this is not the standard of behaviour that was encouraged from the platform year after year. I recall a preacher ( think it may have been an overseas preacher), talking about the worker who had a great success with people coming to her mission and professing. It was discussed by the friends how she did it. A worker said, “ she loved people into the church”. Now is that not worth contemplating? I sense you will scoff at this and say it is gentle snowflake stuff. I can live with that quite easily Wally. If this is what it takes to be a snowflake, long live snowflakes. They are to be respected. Very effective cult stuff actually: www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-excess/201902/love-bombingBut also recognize that there comes a point when they drop the act and hit you hard with fear. Even for the most skilled love-bombing sister worker, I'll bet when she tests the meeting to harvest the new recruit, preaches hard about hell and eternal torture if you don't profess
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 19, 2021 15:12:17 GMT -5
Isn't it a sad situating that within the Christian Church there have always been opposing forces. A minority group who promote the violent Hell method of preaching and the majority group who want to promote love, kindness and compassion. It has always caused conflict within the Christian Church and will continue to do so. IMO Christ promoted love and compassion as per the teachings he received in the time he spent with the Buddhist Monks. I believe the Hell fire part was thrown in when the Catholic Church put the Bible together. Should have only gone down the path of compassion, love and kindness like the Buddhists. Dalai Lama Quote on Compassion “Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive.” “Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.” you can certainly have that opinion; it's just wrong. The early writings show first and second century Christians obsessed with hell and eternal torture already. Just as they would be if Jesus taught that! And for 2000 years, that viewpoint has been the majority, not a minority. Only a tiny fraction of Christian history in the last 2 decades aligns with your liberal and tolerant ideals. For the "great multitude in heaven than no man could number ", virtually every one of them believes in hellfire and brimstone, drowning witches, burning homosexuals alive, and slavery.
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Post by mountain on Jul 19, 2021 15:31:17 GMT -5
Isn't it a sad situating that within the Christian Church there have always been opposing forces. A minority group who promote the violent Hell method of preaching and the majority group who want to promote love, kindness and compassion. It has always caused conflict within the Christian Church and will continue to do so. IMO Christ promoted love and compassion as per the teachings he received in the time he spent with the Buddhist Monks. I believe the Hell fire part was thrown in when the Catholic Church put the Bible together. Should have only gone down the path of compassion, love and kindness like the Buddhists. Dalai Lama Quote on Compassion “Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive.” “Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.” you can certainly have that opinion; it's just wrong. The early writings show first and second century Christians obsessed with hell and eternal torture already. Just as they would be if Jesus taught that! And for 2000 years, that viewpoint has been the majority, not a minority. Only a tiny fraction of Christian history in the last 2 decades aligns with your liberal and tolerant ideals. For the "great multitude in heaven than no man could number ", virtually every one of them believes in hellfire and brimstone, drowning witches, burning homosexuals alive, and slavery. So what's the problem?
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Post by guest8 on Jul 19, 2021 15:34:56 GMT -5
That doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go. You appear to be condoning bad social media behaviour. Wally, you could be an influence for the better, if you chose to. You are professing. You could be an influence for the better on here, if you chose to. I note your nastiness to the professing downunder. I cringe when I read your posts. From an ex reading all this-stuff , from you to other members of the same church, it is disconcerting. I think you and Nathan have lost sight of the fact most of us have been part of the church and know this is not the standard of behaviour that was encouraged from the platform year after year. I recall a preacher ( think it may have been an overseas preacher), talking about the worker who had a great success with people coming to her mission and professing. It was discussed by the friends how she did it. A worker said, “ she loved people into the church”. Now is that not worth contemplating? I sense you will scoff at this and say it is gentle snowflake stuff. I can live with that quite easily Wally. If this is what it takes to be a snowflake, long live snowflakes. They are to be respected. Very effective cult stuff actually: www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-excess/201902/love-bombingBut also recognize that there comes a point when they drop the act and hit you hard with fear. Even for the most skilled love-bombing sister worker, I'll bet when she tests the meeting to harvest the new recruit, preaches hard about hell and eternal torture if you don't profess And your posts are one of the reasons Nathan doesn't stand a chance to grow. He thinks you're the cats whiskers. Im sorry, if you had a bad experience in the church. I understand it can happen. It wasn't a perfect experience for me but as Redback so often reminds us, focusing on negativity & bitterness is counterproductive.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2021 15:41:58 GMT -5
** Do you preach your constant hell and damnation to your wife and son? I would think they would have priority over any of usk. I mean considering that you must love them. Do you? If so, why are you not more concerned where their souls will end up? You once said they have to make their own decision. We have to make our own decisions too. We have made our own decisions. Yet you keep yapping at us. I can only imagine that if you constantly yapped at your wife and son the way you yap at us that they would knock you over the head. Hey, EVIL Witch I told you to LEAVE my family out in your posts. If you do this again I will report you to the Admn. And put you on probation. What amuses me is that whilst you were a worker you fell in love with an outsider, left the work and married her. Being unequally yoked is not only mentioned in the bible but I have heard loads of workers preach about this. Why do you come on this board shouting at people about their sins and you thumbed your nose at your god and the workers just because you met an outside woman and wanted to marry her. What kind of twisted logic are you going to support your reason for doing so?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2021 15:46:55 GMT -5
Did I hurt your feelings little one? Poke the witch and she pokes back. Poke me one more time you will get what you deserve. Be respectful and I will do the same. Don't poke the bear then the bear will NOT attack in return. It's hilarious that you liken yourself to a bear. Communist Russia has been known as the bear for a long time. The similarities between your nasty vindictive bullying behaviour is exactly the same as Russia's. Hello Commie bear.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 15:50:39 GMT -5
Hey, EVIL Witch I told you to LEAVE my family out in your posts. If you do this again I will report you to the Admn. And put you on probation. What amuses me is that whilst you were a worker you fell in love with an outsider, left the work and married her. Being unequally yoked is not only mentioned in the bible but I have heard loads of workers preach about this. Why do you come on this board shouting at people about their sins and you thumbed your nose at your god and the workers just because you met an outside woman and wanted to marry her. What kind of twisted logic are you going to support your reason for doing so? ** Hey, Liar and cheater mind your own business! Stay out of my personal life, please. I don't go into your closet and expose how many skeletons you have. Stick to 2x2 subjects, please.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2021 15:55:28 GMT -5
What amuses me is that whilst you were a worker you fell in love with an outsider, left the work and married her. Being unequally yoked is not only mentioned in the bible but I have heard loads of workers preach about this. Why do you come on this board shouting at people about their sins and you thumbed your nose at your god and the workers just because you met an outside woman and wanted to marry her. What kind of twisted logic are you going to support your reason for doing so? ** Hey, Liar and cheater mind your own business! Stay out of my personal life, please. I don't go into your closet and expose how many skeletons you have. Stick to 2x2 subjects, please. Being yoked unequally is a 2x2 subject. Especially when a worker does it. Now, about the lies you tell on here. I shall start listing them but fear I would crash the http://www.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 15:55:34 GMT -5
Poke me one more time you will get what you deserve. Be respectful and I will do the same. Don't poke the bear then the bear will NOT attack in return. It's hilarious that you liken yourself to a bear. Communist Russia has been known as the bear for a long time. The similarities between your nasty vindictive bullying behaviour is exactly the same as Russia's. Hello Commie bear. Hey, commie down under! I am NOT the Russian commie bear but an Americans teddy Bear! Very cuddle and loving kind.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 15:58:37 GMT -5
** Hey, Liar and cheater mind your own business! Stay out of my personal life, please. I don't go into your closet and expose how many skeletons you have. Stick to 2x2 subjects, please. Being yoked unequally is a 2x2 subject. Especially when a worker does it. Now, about the lies you tell on here. I shall start listing them but fear I would crash the www. ** You don't know or understand the scriptures to discuss it. We have Breen through this subject for so many times in the past, commie... And you still don't get it, this is very sad you are a very slow learner indeed.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2021 15:59:08 GMT -5
It's hilarious that you liken yourself to a bear. Communist Russia has been known as the bear for a long time. The similarities between your nasty vindictive bullying behaviour is exactly the same as Russia's. Hello Commie bear. Hey, commie down under! I am NOT the Russian commie bear but an Americans teddy Bear! Very cuddle and loving kind. No bear is cuddly and kind. You have a Walt Disney view of bears which is very similar to your view of yourself and christianity. Go out in the bush and take some food with you. Put your tent up with the food inside with you and wait for the cuddly and kind bear to come and cuddle you. As usual, whether it be hollow planets or bears, you do not have a clue what you are talking about.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2021 16:00:40 GMT -5
Being yoked unequally is a 2x2 subject. Especially when a worker does it. Now, about the lies you tell on here. I shall start listing them but fear I would crash the http://www. ** You don't know or understand the scriptures to discuss it. We have Breen through this subject for so many times in the past, commie... And you still don't get it, this is very sad. I get you are a hypocrite. You preached the gospel from the bible but then deliberately disobeyed it. No excuse for doing that. Remember what you have done every time you call someone a hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 16:01:33 GMT -5
downunders are just as nasty as anyone else here... everyone has their own style mine is tough love... Sorry, wally. But we here on this forum aren't your children.
"Tough love" as it has been too often interpreted by some people is just an excuse to be a bully, shows very little "love" and is not the best way to raise a child to be a loving adult.tough love gets used on adults too...nice try though...
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 16:03:53 GMT -5
Hey, commie down under! I am NOT the Russian commie bear but an Americans teddy Bear! Very cuddle and loving kind. No bear is cuddly and kind. You have a Walt Disney view of bears which is very similar to your view of yourself and christianity. Go out in the bush and take some food with you. Put your tent up with the food inside with you and wait for the cuddly and kind bear to come and cuddle you. As usual, whether it be hollow planets or bears, you do not have a clue what you are talking about. You think you are so smart with your little Knowldge about science so you KNOW it all. You are dumb as a rock with a mental understanding of Dark Ages thinking man, living in a cave under a rock.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 16:06:00 GMT -5
** You don't know or understand the scriptures to discuss it. We have Breen through this subject for so many times in the past, commie... And you still don't get it, this is very sad. I get you are a hypocrite. You preached the gospel from the bible but then deliberately disobeyed it. No excuse for doing that. Remember what you have done every time you call someone a hypocrite. *** NOT to discuss the scriptures with an atheist just a waste of my time.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2021 16:07:51 GMT -5
No bear is cuddly and kind. You have a Walt Disney view of bears which is very similar to your view of yourself and christianity. Go out in the bush and take some food with you. Put your tent up with the food inside with you and wait for the cuddly and kind bear to come and cuddle you. As usual, whether it be hollow planets or bears, you do not have a clue what you are talking about. You think you are so smart with your little Knowldge about science so you KNOW it all. You are dumb as a rock with a mental understanding of Dark Ages thinking man, living in a cave under a rock. The bible was written by people not too far removed from the cave life. Science has shown that what they imagined is not possible. To continue to believe in ancient mythology and in your case twisted together with 20th century science fiction is beyond any sane persons understanding.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 16:16:50 GMT -5
You think you are so smart with your little Knowldge about science so you KNOW it all. You are dumb as a rock with a mental understanding of Dark Ages thinking man, living in a cave under a rock. The bible was written by people not too far removed from the cave life. Science has shown that what they imagined is not possible. To continue to believe in ancient mythology and in your case twisted together with 20th century science fiction is beyond any sane persons understanding. The Bible has stand the tests of time... Your science keeps on changing and learning NEW thing every day... What you learn in science today is outdated tomorrow. They believe the earth was the ONLY habitable planet in the Universe! Now, they find there 1000's or millions planets are habitable like earth planet.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2021 16:25:55 GMT -5
The bible was written by people not too far removed from the cave life. Science has shown that what they imagined is not possible. To continue to believe in ancient mythology and in your case twisted together with 20th century science fiction is beyond any sane persons understanding. The Bible has stand the tests of time... Your science keeps on changing and learning NEW thing every day... What you learn in science today is outdated tomorrow. They believe the earth was the ONLY habitable planet in the Universe! Now, they find there 1000's or millions planets are habitable like earth planet. Nathan, they have not found 1000's or millions planets that are inhabitable. That is either you not understanding what you read or deliberately lying, once again, to support your twisted Frank Stranges gospel. For some sound information on habitable planets, google the "Goldilocks Zone" Yes of course scientists keep learning new things every day. If they didn't you would have been dead long ago as it was scientists that discovered how to keep diabetics alive. Does it mention in the bible how to keep diabetics alive?. Perhaps you should throw away your needles and just go by what is said in the bible.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 16:28:07 GMT -5
The Bible has stand the tests of time... Your science keeps on changing and learning NEW thing every day... What you learn in science today is outdated tomorrow. They believe the earth was the ONLY habitable planet in the Universe! Now, they find there 1000's or millions planets are habitable like earth planet. Nathan, they have not found 1000's or millions planets that are inhabitable. That is either you not understanding what you read or deliberately lying, once again, to support your twisted Frank Stranges gospel. For some sound information on habitable planets, google the "Goldilocks Zone" Yes of course scientists keep learning new things every day. If they didn't you would have been dead long ago as it was scientists that discovered how to keep diabetics alive. Does it mention in the bible how to keep diabetics alive?. Perhaps you should throw away your needles and just go by what is said in the bible. haha...you need to keep up with your latest science news. You are behind the time curly.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 19, 2021 16:29:24 GMT -5
Sorry, wally. But we here on this forum aren't your children.
"Tough love" as it has been too often interpreted by some people is just an excuse to be a bully, shows very little "love" and is not the best way to raise a child to be a loving adult. tough love gets used on adults too...nice try though... I'm aware that "Tough love" is also used on adults and it does not work any better on adults than on children! ...(niced try though) 7 Reasons Why The Concept Of Tough Love Does More Harm Than Good Suruchi Patwary , 20 Aug 2020 What is tough love? Google defines it as ‘an expression used when someone treats another person harshly or sternly with the intent to help them in the long run’.
Now, this type of behaviour might sound familiar to many of us. Some of us might have experienced tough love coming from our parents, teachers, a boss at work, or even our romantic partners.
Tough love is generally used in parenting or dealing with addicts. But of course, it is very much present in relationships too and in this article, we’ll be talking about it in the context of romantic relationships.
We got in touch with Ms. Anagha Bhave, a psychologist who is an alumna of St. Xaviers College, Columbia University, New York to help us understand the concept of tough love better.
She broke down the negative effects of tough love when practiced in a relationship and explained how tough love ranges from mild to severe.
Anagha says that while a certain degree of tough love is important because it can positively influence the relationship like reminding the other person of your self worth or setting clear boundaries—two important factors for a healthy relationship.
However, she also emphasised on how tough can have negative effects when practiced excessively. Below are the six main reasons why tough love does more harm than good.
1. Incapable Of Learning Many times, the practice of tough love reveals that a person uses it because they assume their partner is incapable of learning by showing soft love or affection. They assume that is the only way to make their partner understand something and that being ‘soft’ with them won’t help them learn.
2. Humiliating & Demeaning As mentioned earlier, when it is used to a certain degree, it can be healthy. But when tough love is used in extreme, it can be very humiliating and demeaning for the person at the receiving end of it. Being treated in a ‘tough’ way in public, or a social gathering, or even if front of friends and family can feel insulting, especially when the other person is your partner.
3. Inability To Be Patient & Kind This type of behaviour actually doesn’t say more about the person receiving it but it says about the person doing it. Anagha strongly believes that tough love reflects on the person’s own inability to be patient and kind with their partner. Treating your partner with kindness and being patient with them are important factors for a happy, healthy relationship.
4. Create Shame & Guilt Constant and excessive use of tough love is more likely to create shame and guilt in the mind of the person receiving it. And these two emotions, especially, do not promote healthy self-growth. Being in a constant state of mind of shame and guilt can harm a person’s mental peace.
5. Make Love Seem Conditional
In a healthy relationship, love should come across as unconditional. And excessive tough love can make love seem unconditional, which is very unhealthy in the long run. Making your partner feel that they have to be a certain way to feel loved by you is not a healthy way to go about in a relationship.
6. Increase Stress Apart from the shame, guilt, and humiliation, tough love can also increase stress for the person receiving it. And too much stress or anxiety in a relationship can push a person to adopt unhealthy coping mechanisms like drugs, alcohol, etc.
7. Poor Empathy Most importantly, excessive tough love showcases poor empathy! Empathy is very important in a relationship and so if you’re somebody who adopts tough love and excessively so, it probably shows that you’re not really able to understand and share your partner’s emotions. It also shows that you’re too preoccupied with how you feel.
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 16:31:10 GMT -5
What amuses me is that whilst you were a worker you fell in love with an outsider, left the work and married her. Being unequally yoked is not only mentioned in the bible but I have heard loads of workers preach about this. Why do you come on this board shouting at people about their sins and you thumbed your nose at your god and the workers just because you met an outside woman and wanted to marry her. What kind of twisted logic are you going to support your reason for doing so? ** Hey, Liar and cheater mind your own business! Stay out of my personal life, please. I don't go into your closet and expose how many skeletons you have. Stick to 2x2 subjects, please. I have skeletons in my closet.
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Post by guest8 on Jul 19, 2021 16:35:11 GMT -5
tough love gets used on adults too...nice try though... I'm aware that is also used on adults and it works does not work any better on adults than on children 7 Reasons Why The Concept Of Tough Love Does More Harm Than Good Suruchi Patwary , 20 Aug 2020 What is tough love? Google defines it as ‘an expression used when someone treats another person harshly or sternly with the intent to help them in the long run’.
Now, this type of behaviour might sound familiar to many of us. Some of us might have experienced tough love coming from our parents, teachers, a boss at work, or even our romantic partners.
Tough love is generally used in parenting or dealing with addicts. But of course, it is very much present in relationships too and in this article, we’ll be talking about it in the context of romantic relationships.
We got in touch with Ms. Anagha Bhave, a psychologist who is an alumna of St. Xaviers College, Columbia University, New York to help us understand the concept of tough love better.
She broke down the negative effects of tough love when practiced in a relationship and explained how tough love ranges from mild to severe.
Anagha says that while a certain degree of tough love is important because it can positively influence the relationship like reminding the other person of your self worth or setting clear boundaries—two important factors for a healthy relationship.
However, she also emphasised on how tough can have negative effects when practiced excessively. Below are the six main reasons why tough love does more harm than good.
1. Incapable Of Learning Many times, the practice of tough love reveals that a person uses it because they assume their partner is incapable of learning by showing soft love or affection. They assume that is the only way to make their partner understand something and that being ‘soft’ with them won’t help them learn.
2. Humiliating & Demeaning As mentioned earlier, when it is used to a certain degree, it can be healthy. But when tough love is used in extreme, it can be very humiliating and demeaning for the person at the receiving end of it. Being treated in a ‘tough’ way in public, or a social gathering, or even if front of friends and family can feel insulting, especially when the other person is your partner.
3. Inability To Be Patient & Kind This type of behaviour actually doesn’t say more about the person receiving it but it says about the person doing it. Anagha strongly believes that tough love reflects on the person’s own inability to be patient and kind with their partner. Treating your partner with kindness and being patient with them are important factors for a happy, healthy relationship.
4. Create Shame & Guilt Constant and excessive use of tough love is more likely to create shame and guilt in the mind of the person receiving it. And these two emotions, especially, do not promote healthy self-growth. Being in a constant state of mind of shame and guilt can harm a person’s mental peace.
5. Make Love Seem Conditional
In a healthy relationship, love should come across as unconditional. And excessive tough love can make love seem unconditional, which is very unhealthy in the long run. Making your partner feel that they have to be a certain way to feel loved by you is not a healthy way to go about in a relationship.
6. Increase Stress Apart from the shame, guilt, and humiliation, tough love can also increase stress for the person receiving it. And too much stress or anxiety in a relationship can push a person to adopt unhealthy coping mechanisms like drugs, alcohol, etc.
7. Poor Empathy Most importantly, excessive tough love showcases poor empathy! Empathy is very important in a relationship and so if you’re somebody who adopts tough love and excessively so, it probably shows that you’re not really able to understand and share your partner’s emotions. It also shows that you’re too preoccupied with how you feel.
Exactly Dmmichgood. Anyone that has or had involvement in social services/ social institutions should of kept up with research ( well common sense too) re that concept.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2021 16:37:28 GMT -5
Nathan, they have not found 1000's or millions planets that are inhabitable. That is either you not understanding what you read or deliberately lying, once again, to support your twisted Frank Stranges gospel. For some sound information on habitable planets, google the "Goldilocks Zone" Yes of course scientists keep learning new things every day. If they didn't you would have been dead long ago as it was scientists that discovered how to keep diabetics alive. Does it mention in the bible how to keep diabetics alive?. Perhaps you should throw away your needles and just go by what is said in the bible. haha...you need to keep up with your latest science news. You are behind the time curly. Throw away your needles. It doesn't mention them in the bible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 16:42:54 GMT -5
Isn't it a sad situating that within the Christian Church there have always been opposing forces. A minority group who promote the violent Hell method of preaching and the majority group who want to promote love, kindness and compassion. It has always caused conflict within the Christian Church and will continue to do so. IMO Christ promoted love and compassion as per the teachings he received in the time he spent with the Buddhist Monks. I believe the Hell fire part was thrown in when the Catholic Church put the Bible together. Should have only gone down the path of compassion, love and kindness like the Buddhists. Dalai Lama Quote on Compassion “Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive.” “Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.” you can certainly have that opinion; it's just wrong. The early writings show first and second century Christians obsessed with hell and eternal torture already. Just as they would be if Jesus taught that! And for 2000 years, that viewpoint has been the majority, not a minority. Only a tiny fraction of Christian history in the last 2 decades aligns with your liberal and tolerant ideals. For the "great multitude in heaven than no man could number ", virtually every one of them believes in hellfire and brimstone, drowning witches, burning homosexuals alive, and slavery. RUBBISH.
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