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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 9:45:09 GMT -5
What the World needs now is that we show more compassion and caring for each other, not outdated preaching. Compassion gives us the ability to understand someone else's situation and the desire to take action to improve their lives. For people who are dependent on others for help and support, compassion is often the most important factor in allowing them to lead fulfilling lives.
Atheists and Agnostics are more driven by compassion to help others than are highly religious people, a new study finds. "The more religious, on the other hand, may ground their generosity less in emotion, and more in other factors such as doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns."
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 10:30:57 GMT -5
That doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go. You appear to be condoning bad social media behaviour. Wally, you could be an influence for the better, if you chose to. You are professing. You could be an influence for the better on here, if you chose to. I note your nastiness to the professing downunder. I cringe when I read your posts. From an ex reading all this-stuff , from you to other members of the same church, it is disconcerting. I think you and Nathan have lost sight of the fact most of us have been part of the church and know this is not the standard of behaviour that was encouraged from the platform year after year. I recall a preacher ( think it may have been an overseas preacher), talking about the worker who had a great success with people coming to her mission and professing. It was discussed by the friends how she did it. A worker said, “ she loved people into the church”. Now is that not worth contemplating? I sense you will scoff at this and say it is gentle snowflake stuff. I can live with that quite easily Wally. If this is what it takes to be a snowflake, long live snowflakes. They are to be respected. That is good and dandy but this is what Jesus said to one of the greatest prophets that ever lived in Matthew 3:7-9 : The Mission of John the Baptist But when John saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his place of baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit, then, in keeping with repentance. 9And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.… ~~ To show proof of some kinds of proof in your life that you mean it.... Like Zacheeus, a Roman tax collector... repay money to those who he had cheated or taken too much money and so on... that is true repentance.** The 1st century church made a mistake by allowing too many Pharisees, Saducees, and people into the group without proof/fruits of repentance so, instead of letting go of their former belief and pagans teachings... By the end of the 3rd century these unrepented believers took over majority and it became ROMANS Catholic Church. They incorporate/keep many of the Old Test rituals and Moses ceremonial and pagans teaching into the church as the teachings of Jesus Christ New Test. However, God saved a remnant of true servants and followers of Jesus and they keep on observimy the true teachings Jesus Christ New Test. Through the centuries even to our days. in the 1950s they allowed workers to be in charge that were NOT following the basic foundation of Christianity= Anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT taken over the last 70 yrs to now.
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Post by verna on Jul 19, 2021 10:44:09 GMT -5
you do not understand forums in any way whatsoever...good try though That doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go. You appear to be condoning bad social media behaviour. Wally, you could be an influence for the better, if you chose to. You are professing. You could be an influence for the better on here, if you chose to. I note your nastiness to the professing downunder. I cringe when I read your posts. From an ex reading all this-stuff , from you to other members of the same church, it is disconcerting. I think you and Nathan have lost sight of the fact most of us have been part of the church and know this is not the standard of behaviour that was encouraged from the platform year after year. I recall a preacher ( think it may have been an overseas preacher), talking about the worker who had a great success with people coming to her mission and professing. It was discussed by the friends how she did it. A worker said, “ she loved people into the church”. Now is that not worth contemplating? I sense you will scoff at this and say it is gentle snowflake stuff. I can live with that quite easily Wally. If this is what it takes to be a snowflake, long live snowflakes. They are to be respected. Well said Guest8. I find it interesting. When I came to this site I never expected that I would be defending the friends and workers - especially from their (supposed) own. Very interesting twist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 10:50:50 GMT -5
Isn't it a sad situating that within the Christian Church there have always been opposing forces. A minority group who promote the violent Hell method of preaching and the majority group who want to promote love, kindness and compassion. It has always caused conflict within the Christian Church and will continue to do so.
IMO Christ promoted love and compassion as per the teachings he received in the time he spent with the Buddhist Monks. I believe the Hell fire part was thrown in when the Catholic Church put the Bible together. Should have only gone down the path of compassion, love and kindness like the Buddhists.
Dalai Lama Quote on Compassion
“Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive.” “Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.”
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Post by verna on Jul 19, 2021 10:55:50 GMT -5
I am very discouraged by this board. Although I am no longer a 2x2 and feel it’s teachings were harmful to me, I maintain respect for most 2x2 people. But I am losing it. There are very few representatives who post on this board and some who do (I will not name names) are showing the “system” and it’s people to be deplorable. Please show me that they do not truly represent the faith. I know those of us who have left can be hard on you. I understand that - but I need you to speak up if you are reading. We all need to show mutual respect. Souls are so easily wounded. Hi Verna. I’ve met hundreds of friends and workers in several different countries, and not found the slightest hint of anything other than them being kind and reasonable in the vast majority. There’s a minority who are stronger and harsher, and we tend to remember these, and then there’s a few who are clearly bad apples, and these give us all a bad name. But they are not typical of us, just like Trump is not typical of all Americans. I’ve tried to reason with some on here in the past and found that it’s impossible, they will never accept anything that doesn’t suit them, no matter the facts. So I gave up. I tried to suggest changes to admin that might make the forum more appealing to ‘moderates’ but was told that this is what people want so it will continue as it is, so I think this is why so few people participate these days. Any thread goes off topic after the first few posts, which I find infuriating. I see no future for TMB, other than for about a dozen members. Recently I started going through the workers in my continent, and was surprised at how many there were. I started to realize that with this amount of workers (and for every worker there’s probably about 100 friends) there will be a minority who are not typical of the rest of us, but this could be quite a few. I’m encouraged by my overseer making some changes recently to encourage right and remove wrong among us, hopefully this trend will continue. I’ll keep encouraging him. I would love to find a way for the kind and reasonable ones to find their voice, but ANYTHING they say publicly will be immediately torn to shreds by a few who love to argue, so it is pointless. I like to discuss with people, but I don’t like to argue (where neither party gives any ground) so TMB is not the place for me or you, I feel. But I’m not sure what other options there are. Thanks Guest. I believe you are right - and unfortunately Wally too - this probably isn’t the place for me. I am sad because I see potential for good and some understanding but it is likely a pipe dream. I appreciate you weighing in. It helps - I hope you know that.
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Post by verna on Jul 19, 2021 11:02:18 GMT -5
What the World needs now is that we show more compassion and caring for each other, not outdated preaching. Compassion gives us the ability to understand someone else's situation and the desire to take action to improve their lives. For people who are dependent on others for help and support, compassion is often the most important factor in allowing them to lead fulfilling lives. Atheists and Agnostics are more driven by compassion to help others than are highly religious people, a new study finds. "The more religious, on the other hand, may ground their generosity less in emotion, and more in other factors such as doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns." I totally agree. I cannot believe - despite all the scripture spouted- that kindness is not important to God - that God supports cruelty. It just doesn’t sit well in my heart and soul.
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Post by verna on Jul 19, 2021 11:05:25 GMT -5
Isn't it a sad situating that within the Christian Church there have always been opposing forces. A minority group who promote the violent Hell method of preaching and the majority group who want to promote love, kindness and compassion. It has always caused conflict within the Christian Church and will continue to do so. IMO Christ promoted love and compassion as per the teachings he received in the time he spent with the Buddhist Monks. I believe the Hell fire part was thrown in when the Catholic Church put the Bible together. Should have only gone down the path of compassion, love and kindness like the Buddhists. Dalai Lama Quote on Compassion “Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive.” “Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.” YES!!!
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 11:48:19 GMT -5
That is good and dandy but this is what Jesus said to one of the greatest prophets that ever lived in Matthew 3:7-9 : The Mission of John the Baptist But when John saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his place of baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit, then, in keeping with repentance. 9And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.… ~~ To show proof of some kinds of proof in your life that you mean it.... Like Zacheeus, a Roman tax collector... repay money to those who he had cheated or taken too much money and so on... that is true repentance. ** The 1st century church made a mistake by allowing too many Pharisees, Saducees, and people into the group without proof/fruits of repentance so, instead of letting go of their former belief and pagans teachings... By the end of the 3rd century these unrepented believers took over majority and it became ROMANS Catholic Church. They incorporate/keep many of the Old Test rituals and Moses ceremonial and pagans teaching into the church as the teachings of Jesus Christ New Test. However, God saved a remnant of true servants and followers of Jesus and they keep on observimy the true teachings Jesus Christ New Test. Through the centuries even to our days. in the 1950s they allowed workers to be in charge that were NOT following the basic foundation of Christianity= Anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT taken over the last 70 yrs to now and the non-exclusive to grow leaps and bounds, the 2x2 group is NOT the same as the early days workers had established so is dying at a fast speed since 1980s. The watered down gospel is NOT very effective.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 11:58:08 GMT -5
you do not understand forums in any way whatsoever...good try though That doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go. You appear to be condoning bad social media behaviour. Wally, you could be an influence for the better, if you chose to. You are professing. You could be an influence for the better on here, if you chose to. I note your nastiness to the professing downunder. I cringe when I read your posts. From an ex reading all this-stuff , from you to other members of the same church, it is disconcerting. I think you and Nathan have lost sight of the fact most of us have been part of the church and know this is not the standard of behaviour that was encouraged from the platform year after year. I recall a preacher ( think it may have been an overseas preacher), talking about the worker who had a great success with people coming to her mission and professing. It was discussed by the friends how she did it. A worker said, “ she loved people into the church”. Now is that not worth contemplating? I sense you will scoff at this and say it is gentle snowflake stuff. I can live with that quite easily Wally. If this is what it takes to be a snowflake, long live snowflakes. They are to be respected. downunders are just as nasty as anyone else here... everyone has their own style mine is tough love...
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Post by Guest on Jul 19, 2021 12:13:35 GMT -5
Atheists and Agnostics are more driven by compassion to help others than are highly religious people, a new study finds. "The more religious, on the other hand, may ground their generosity less in emotion, and more in other factors such as doctrine, a communal identity, or reputational concerns." I totally agree that the best atheists and agnostics are better than the worst religious people. Hopefully I’m not in the religious category even if I do have faith in the hand of God. But a fair comparison would be between the best atheists and the best religious, or even the best believers. Or the worst with the worst. But not the best with the worst.
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 12:14:33 GMT -5
The watered down gospel is NOT very effective. ** Do you preach your constant hell and damnation to your wife and son? I would think they would have priority over any of us. I mean considering that you must love them. Do you? If so, why are you not more concerned where their souls will end up? You once said they have to make their own decision. We have to make our own decisions too. We have made our own decisions. Yet you keep yapping at us. I can only imagine that if you constantly yapped at your wife and son the way you yap at us that they would knock you over the head.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 19, 2021 12:23:59 GMT -5
Don't be stupid -- bears are neither kind nor reasonable. Bob did you read the news where a woman was killed by a bear in Wyoming? No, I haven't. But it's common enough for bears to attack humans. One of the friends near where we lived in northern Nevada woke up one morning and found a big bear going through their kitchen. They locked the kids upstairs and scared it out through the window it had come in through.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 19, 2021 12:25:49 GMT -5
Bob did you read the news where a woman was killed by a bear in Wyoming? No, I haven't. But it's common enough for bears to attack humans. One of the friends near where we lived in northern Nevada woke up one morning and found a big bear going through their kitchen. They locked the kids upstairs and scared it out through the window it had come in through. And in other breaking news, a young girl and Ocasio-Cortez are arguing about whether humans can be swallowed by whales. AOC says that it's impossible for whales to swallow humans because whales have small throats. The little girl says, "How can this be? Jonah got swallowed by a whale." AOC says, "That's not even a true story." The girl says, "When I go to heaven, I'll ask him." AOC says, "What if Jonah didn't go to heaven?" The girl says, "Then you ask him.”
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 19, 2021 12:30:52 GMT -5
No, I haven't. But it's common enough for bears to attack humans. One of the friends near where we lived in northern Nevada woke up one morning and found a big bear going through their kitchen. They locked the kids upstairs and scared it out through the window it had come in through. And in other breaking news, a young girl and Ocasio-Cortez are arguing about whether humans can be swallowed by whales. AOC says that it's impossible for whales to swallow humans because whales have small throats. The little girl says, "How can this be? Jonah got swallowed by a whale." AOC says, "That's not even a true story." The girl says, "When I go to heaven, I'll ask him." AOC says, "What if Jonah didn't go to heaven?" The girl says, "Then you ask him.” Sharp little girl. I once crocheted a multicolored hat for my 7 year old daughter, and she was so proud of it that she wore it to school one day to show her teacher. Another kid on the bus asked her where she got it, and she told him her father made it. He said, "Men don't make things like that." And her answer was "Just because your father can't doesn't mean my father can't."
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 12:40:49 GMT -5
That doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go. You appear to be condoning bad social media behaviour. Wally, you could be an influence for the better, if you chose to. You are professing. You could be an influence for the better on here, if you chose to. I note your nastiness to the professing downunder. I cringe when I read your posts. From an ex reading all this-stuff , from you to other members of the same church, it is disconcerting. I think you and Nathan have lost sight of the fact most of us have been part of the church and know this is not the standard of behaviour that was encouraged from the platform year after year. I recall a preacher ( think it may have been an overseas preacher), talking about the worker who had a great success with people coming to her mission and professing. It was discussed by the friends how she did it. A worker said, “ she loved people into the church”. Now is that not worth contemplating? I sense you will scoff at this and say it is gentle snowflake stuff. I can live with that quite easily Wally. If this is what it takes to be a snowflake, long live snowflakes. They are to be respected. downunders are just as nasty as anyone else here... everyone has their own style mine is tough love... ** When the 2x2 from down under get nasty and mean we don't see the exes jump on them but they cheer them on.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 12:43:53 GMT -5
The watered down gospel is NOT very effective. ** Do you preach your constant hell and damnation to your wife and son? I would think they would have priority over any of usk. I mean considering that you must love them. Do you? If so, why are you not more concerned where their souls will end up? You once said they have to make their own decision. We have to make our own decisions too. We have made our own decisions. Yet you keep yapping at us. I can only imagine that if you constantly yapped at your wife and son the way you yap at us that they would knock you over the head. Hey, EVIL Witch I told you to LEAVE my family out in your posts. If you do this again I will report you to the Admn. And put you on probation.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 19, 2021 12:49:04 GMT -5
** Do you preach your constant hell and damnation to your wife and son? I would think they would have priority over any of usk. I mean considering that you must love them. Do you? If so, why are you not more concerned where their souls will end up? You once said they have to make their own decision. We have to make our own decisions too. We have made our own decisions. Yet you keep yapping at us. I can only imagine that if you constantly yapped at your wife and son the way you yap at us that they would knock you over the head. Hey, EVIL Witch I told you to LEAVE by family out in your post. If you do this again I will report you to the Admn. And put you on probation. Like a good little witch that you are.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 12:52:53 GMT -5
Hey, EVIL Witch I told you to LEAVE by family out in your post. If you do this again I will report you to the Admn. And put you on probation. Like a good little witch that you are. ** Yes, I will try to do better in the coming days for you 3 dollars bill.
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 13:03:46 GMT -5
** Do you preach your constant hell and damnation to your wife and son? I would think they would have priority over any of usk. I mean considering that you must love them. Do you? If so, why are you not more concerned where their souls will end up? You once said they have to make their own decision. We have to make our own decisions too. We have made our own decisions. Yet you keep yapping at us. I can only imagine that if you constantly yapped at your wife and son the way you yap at us that they would knock you over the head. Hey, EVIL Witch I told you to LEAVE my family out in your posts. If you do this again I will report you to the Admn. And put you on probation. You posted about the private lives of your wife and son in the past and more than once. You put them out there in public. And now you’re whining that I mentioned them? Yes please run to the admin you little piss ant. If I can’t mention your family that you publicly posted about here then you can’t mention me being a witch. Got it, you EVIL failed worker, husband, and father.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 13:05:47 GMT -5
Hey, EVIL Witch I told you to LEAVE my family out in your posts. If you do this again I will report you to the Admn. And put you on probation. You posted about the private lives of your wife and son in the past and more than once. You put them out there in public. And now you’re whining that I mentioned them? Yes please run to the admin you little piss ant. If I can’t mention your family that you publicly posted about here then you can’t mention me being a witch. Got it? Do it again and I will send your posts to him and let him read it and he will decide what he wants to do with you. You better stop calling me failed worker if you want me to stop calling you a Witch.
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 13:08:57 GMT -5
You posted about the private lives of your wife and son in the past and more than once. You put them out there in public. And now you’re whining that I mentioned them? Yes please run to the admin you little piss ant. If I can’t mention your family that you publicly posted about here then you can’t mention me being a witch. Got it? Do it again and I will send your posts to him and let him read it and he will decide what he wants to do with you. You better stop calling me failed worker if you want me to stop calling you a Witch. Call me a witch again and I will do the same. It’s obvious you can dish it out but you sure as hell can’t take it. Grow up. This isn’t kindergarten sweet pea it’s the real world.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 19, 2021 13:10:04 GMT -5
That doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go. You appear to be condoning bad social media behaviour. Wally, you could be an influence for the better, if you chose to. You are professing. You could be an influence for the better on here, if you chose to. I note your nastiness to the professing downunder. I cringe when I read your posts. From an ex reading all this-stuff , from you to other members of the same church, it is disconcerting. I think you and Nathan have lost sight of the fact most of us have been part of the church and know this is not the standard of behaviour that was encouraged from the platform year after year. I recall a preacher ( think it may have been an overseas preacher), talking about the worker who had a great success with people coming to her mission and professing. It was discussed by the friends how she did it. A worker said, “ she loved people into the church”. Now is that not worth contemplating? I sense you will scoff at this and say it is gentle snowflake stuff. I can live with that quite easily Wally. If this is what it takes to be a snowflake, long live snowflakes. They are to be respected. downunders are just as nasty as anyone else here... everyone has their own style mine is tough love... Sorry, wally. But we here on this forum aren't your children.
"Tough love" as it has been too often interpreted by some people is just an excuse to be a bully, shows very little "love" and is not the best way to raise a child to be a loving adult.
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 13:12:15 GMT -5
You posted about the private lives of your wife and son in the past and more than once. You put them out there in public. And now you’re whining that I mentioned them? Yes please run to the admin you little piss ant. If I can’t mention your family that you publicly posted about here then you can’t mention me being a witch. Got it? Do it again and I will send your posts to him and let him read it and he will decide what he wants to do with you. You better stop calling me failed worker if you want me to stop calling you a Witch. Did I hurt your feelings little one? Poke the witch and she pokes back.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 19, 2021 13:20:27 GMT -5
You posted about the private lives of your wife and son in the past and more than once. You put them out there in public. And now you’re whining that I mentioned them? Yes please run to the admin you little piss ant. If I can’t mention your family that you publicly posted about here then you can’t mention me being a witch. Got it? Do it again and I will send your posts to him and let him read it and he will decide what he wants to do with you. You better stop calling me failed worker if you want me to stop calling you a Witch. Nathan! You started calling annan "witch" a long time ago and haven't be able make any post about her or to her without calling her a Witch ever since!
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 13:38:53 GMT -5
Do it again and I will send your posts to him and let him read it and he will decide what he wants to do with you. You better stop calling me failed worker if you want me to stop calling you a Witch. Nathan! You started calling annan "witch" a long time ago and haven't be able make any post about her or to her without calling her a Witch ever since!Nathan wants to ban everyone who disagrees with him. He starts by being ugly and then resorts to threatening to try to have you banned. I feel sorry for the admin.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 19, 2021 13:49:38 GMT -5
Do it again and I will send your posts to him and let him read it and he will decide what he wants to do with you. You better stop calling me failed worker if you want me to stop calling you a Witch. Did I hurt your feelings little one? Poke the witch and she pokes back. Poke me one more time you will get what you deserve. Be respectful and I will do the same. Don't poke the bear then the bear will NOT attack in return.
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 13:58:54 GMT -5
Did I hurt your feelings little one? Poke the witch and she pokes back. Poke me one more time you will get what you deserve. Be respectful and I will do the same. Don't poke the bear then the bear will NOT attack in return. Excuse me? What exactly is it that I deserve?
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Post by Annan on Jul 19, 2021 14:00:39 GMT -5
Did I hurt your feelings little one? Poke the witch and she pokes back. Poke me one more time you will get what you deserve. Be respectful and I will do the same. Don't poke the bear then the bear will NOT attack in return. That’s a laugh. You are constantly threatening me and others on this forum. If it’s not hellfire and damnation, you’re threatening to go to the admin. Grow up, Nate. It’s time to wear the big boy panties.
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