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Post by nathan02 on Jul 18, 2021 17:36:04 GMT -5
hey, I am kind and reasonable 2x2 just don't poke the bear. too many times it will fight back. Well your kind and reasonable is ugly. ** Is this another Christlike Spirit post? I thought you have repented and forsake the old Speak's jabs, stabbing in the back and hitting below the belt posts. Hey, I see the Old Speak is back with both fists swinging that is NOT good for you, elder.
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Post by verna on Jul 18, 2021 17:40:20 GMT -5
Well your kind and reasonable is ugly. ** Is this another Christlike Spirit post? I thought you have repented and forsake the old Speak's jabs, stabbing in the back and hitting below the belt posts. Hey, I see the Old Speak is back with both fists swinging that is NOT good for you, elder. I consider Speak to have been kind and reasonable in the interactions I have had with him. And we are often in disagreement. It is possible when respect is shown.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 18, 2021 18:01:23 GMT -5
Your post, Verna, has fleshed out exactly the sentiments you mentioned from certain individuals that you were no doubt referring to.
They are not representative of our church (certainly not down under), although may exhibit similar traits to extremists that were in the church back in the 1950's.
Those of us who visit TMB from time to time, actually have busy, active and fulfilling lives, and are not seated in front of a screen seeing things through 16*9 1080p eyes.
It is sad that this forum has been hijacked by their "hell to shun" binary hellfire and brimstone attitudes which substitute for a lack in other areas.
You, Enuf, RT, Guest8, Fixit, Redback and Speak, and some others that I cannot recall right now, are, in my opinion, right in your perceptions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 18:05:16 GMT -5
The problem is that some people become over confident with their beliefs and become presumptuous. We should try to get them understand that. Being presumptuous, means the person becomes overconfident and acts rudely or inappropriately. A presumptuous person takes liberties.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 18:35:58 GMT -5
deplorable is a two way street here on TMB been that way for years whether 2x2 or ex. forums are tough places maybe forum life is not for you? That is a pathetic phrase that you keep on regurgitating. You may like the tough business/ confrontations because it appears you like arguing about just about everything. No this forum does not need to be Wally-tough. i thought the friendlies were meant to be seen to be different; had a standard of behaviour in the world. you do not understand forums in any way whatsoever...good try though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 18:36:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 18:40:34 GMT -5
Well your kind and reasonable is ugly. ** Is this another Christlike Spirit post? I thought you have repented and forsake the old Speak's jabs, stabbing in the back and hitting below the belt posts. Hey, I see the Old Speak is back with both fists swinging that is NOT good for you, elder. He's fallen off the wagon again....
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Post by verna on Jul 18, 2021 18:59:09 GMT -5
Your post, Verna, has fleshed out exactly the sentiments you mentioned from certain individuals that you were no doubt referring to. They are not representative of our church (certainly not down under), although may exhibit similar traits to extremists that were in the church back in the 1950's. Those of us who visit TMB from time to time, actually have busy, active and fulfilling lives, and are not seated in front of a screen seeing things through 16*9 1080p eyes. It is sad that this forum has been hijacked by their "hell to shun" binary hellfire and brimstone attitudes which substitute for a lack in other areas. You, Enuf, RT, Guest8, Fixit, Redback and Speak, and some others that I cannot recall right now, are, in my opinion, right in your perceptions. Thx Pragmatic. I’m not familiar with the extremists from the 50’s. Is there somewhere I can read about this?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 18, 2021 20:36:34 GMT -5
I directed this post to kind and reasonable 2x2s. hey, I am kind and reasonable 2x2 just don't poke the bear. too many times it will fight back. Don't be stupid -- bears are neither kind nor reasonable.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 18, 2021 21:32:54 GMT -5
hey, I am kind and reasonable 2x2 just don't poke the bear. too many times it will fight back. Don't be stupid -- bears are neither kind nor reasonable. I am a special kind of bear NOT the ones you see in the woods.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 21:37:23 GMT -5
Don't be stupid -- bears are neither kind nor reasonable. I am a special kind of bear NOT the ones you see in the woods. Smarter than the average bear for sure!
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 18, 2021 21:47:17 GMT -5
I am a special kind of bear NOT the ones you see in the woods. Smarter than the average bear for sure! ** Yep, when I see mama bear coming toward me, I run fast like a speeding bullet train.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 18, 2021 22:02:14 GMT -5
Your post, Verna, has fleshed out exactly the sentiments you mentioned from certain individuals that you were no doubt referring to. They are not representative of our church (certainly not down under), although may exhibit similar traits to extremists that were in the church back in the 1950's. Those of us who visit TMB from time to time, actually have busy, active and fulfilling lives, and are not seated in front of a screen seeing things through 16*9 1080p eyes. It is sad that this forum has been hijacked by their "hell to shun" binary hellfire and brimstone attitudes which substitute for a lack in other areas. You, Enuf, RT, Guest8, Fixit, Redback and Speak, and some others that I cannot recall right now, are, in my opinion, right in your perceptions. Thx Pragmatic. I’m not familiar with the extremists from the 50’s. Is there somewhere I can read about this? I don't think there's anything specific, but if you read accounts on Telling the Truth, you will find a number that emanate from around that era, especially from Victoria, Australia. Of course these fundamentalist ideals continued on into the '80's, and I well recall some in the US around that time also. Fortunately, they die off, but in many cases, not before a lot of damage is done.
We had them here in our country too.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 18, 2021 23:24:32 GMT -5
Thx Pragmatic. I’m not familiar with the extremists from the 50’s. Is there somewhere I can read about this? I don't think there's anything specific, but if you read accounts on Telling the Truth, you will find a number that emanate from around that era, especially from Victoria, Australia. Of course these fundamentalist ideals continued on into the '80's, and I well recall some in the US around that time also. Fortunately, they die off, but in many cases, not before a lot of damage is done.
We had them here in our country too.
LOL First the extremists were only from 70 years ago. Now they persisted into the 1980s. What happens if Verna finds out about the stuff in the last 4 years like the adventures of the down under workers in Sri Lanka? The story will have to change again. How annoying!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 18, 2021 23:54:09 GMT -5
Don't be stupid -- bears are neither kind nor reasonable. I am a special kind of bear NOT the ones you see in the woods. Special, all right. Like a $3 BILL.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 19, 2021 0:21:10 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything specific, but if you read accounts on Telling the Truth, you will find a number that emanate from around that era, especially from Victoria, Australia. Of course these fundamentalist ideals continued on into the '80's, and I well recall some in the US around that time also. Fortunately, they die off, but in many cases, not before a lot of damage is done.
We had them here in our country too.
LOL First the extremists were only from 70 years ago. Now they persisted into the 1980s. What happens if Verna finds out about the stuff in the last 4 years like the adventures of the down under workers in Sri Lanka? The story will have to change again. How annoying! Not familiar with the Sri Lanka stuff. You might want to elaborate.
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2021 0:28:31 GMT -5
I am a special kind of bear NOT the ones you see in the woods. Special, all right. Like a $3 BILL. NOT the $ 3 dollars bill but $2 Dollars bill.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 19, 2021 1:12:22 GMT -5
Special, all right. Like a $3 BILL. NOT the $ 3 dollars bill but $2 Dollars bill. $2 bills aren't that kind of special. $3 bills are -- like you.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 19, 2021 1:13:42 GMT -5
LOL First the extremists were only from 70 years ago. Now they persisted into the 1980s. What happens if Verna finds out about the stuff in the last 4 years like the adventures of the down under workers in Sri Lanka? The story will have to change again. How annoying! Not familiar with the Sri Lanka stuff. You might want to elaborate. Very bad scene.
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2021 1:31:00 GMT -5
NOT the $ 3 dollars bill but $2 Dollars bill. $2 bills aren't that kind of special. $3 bills are -- like you. The 2 dollars bill like me, hard to find it. the 3 dollars bill like you, can't find it anywhere because it's a fake.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 19, 2021 1:40:40 GMT -5
Not familiar with the Sri Lanka stuff. You might want to elaborate. Very bad scene. John Blair would be rolling in his grave.
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Post by guest8 on Jul 19, 2021 2:05:29 GMT -5
That is a pathetic phrase that you keep on regurgitating. You may like the tough business/ confrontations because it appears you like arguing about just about everything. No this forum does not need to be Wally-tough. i thought the friendlies were meant to be seen to be different; had a standard of behaviour in the world. you do not understand forums in any way whatsoever...good try though That doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go. You appear to be condoning bad social media behaviour. Wally, you could be an influence for the better, if you chose to. You are professing. You could be an influence for the better on here, if you chose to. I note your nastiness to the professing downunder. I cringe when I read your posts. From an ex reading all this-stuff , from you to other members of the same church, it is disconcerting. I think you and Nathan have lost sight of the fact most of us have been part of the church and know this is not the standard of behaviour that was encouraged from the platform year after year. I recall a preacher ( think it may have been an overseas preacher), talking about the worker who had a great success with people coming to her mission and professing. It was discussed by the friends how she did it. A worker said, “ she loved people into the church”. Now is that not worth contemplating? I sense you will scoff at this and say it is gentle snowflake stuff. I can live with that quite easily Wally. If this is what it takes to be a snowflake, long live snowflakes. They are to be respected.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 19, 2021 3:20:50 GMT -5
John Blair would be rolling in his grave. Ahh, that triggered my memory. Wasn’t there a d...head, PM there who wanted to kick the Kiwis out, and he did, and booted out anyone who crossed him, and made false accusations about people. I seem to recall he wanted to boot an ailing John Blair out too. Don’t know if he succeeded or not. There will always be people like him, even in the local tennis club! We had one in our cricket club.
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Post by chuck on Jul 19, 2021 3:31:02 GMT -5
I would also say when someone thinks their little group is right and every else in the world is wrong it does seem to give you licence to treat people poorly, when your idea of God is he hates people not like you........ Chuck, please stop and listen for a moment. i am not Wally. I am guest8. Sorry, just thinking out loud.....
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Post by guest8 on Jul 19, 2021 3:34:58 GMT -5
Chuck, please stop and listen for a moment. i am not Wally. I am guest8. Sorry, just thinking out loud..... Might pay to tidy that up a bit.
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Post by nathan on Jul 19, 2021 9:07:08 GMT -5
you do not understand forums in any way whatsoever...good try though That doesn’t mean it’s the right way to go. You appear to be condoning bad social media behaviour. Wally, you could be an influence for the better, if you chose to. You are professing. You could be an influence for the better on here, if you chose to. I note your nastiness to the professing downunder. I cringe when I read your posts. From an ex reading all this-stuff , from you to other members of the same church, it is disconcerting. I think you and Nathan have lost sight of the fact most of us have been part of the church and know this is not the standard of behaviour that was encouraged from the platform year after year. I recall a preacher ( think it may have been an overseas preacher), talking about the worker who had a great success with people coming to her mission and professing. It was discussed by the friends how she did it. A worker said, “ she loved people into the church”. Now is that not worth contemplating? I sense you will scoff at this and say it is gentle snowflake stuff. I can live with that quite easily Wally. If this is what it takes to be a snowflake, long live snowflakes. They are to be respected. That is good and dandy but this is what Jesus said to one of the greatest prophets that ever lived in Matthew 3:7-9 : The Mission of John the Baptist But when John saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his place of baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit, then, in keeping with repentance. 9And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.… ~~ To show proof of some kinds in your life that you mean it.... Like Zacheeus, a Roman tax collector... repay money to those who he had cheated or taken too much money and so on... that is true repentance.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 19, 2021 9:15:05 GMT -5
hey, I am kind and reasonable 2x2 just don't poke the bear. too many times it will fight back. Don't be stupid -- bears are neither kind nor reasonable. Bob did you read the news where a woman was killed by a bear in Wyoming?
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Post by Guest on Jul 19, 2021 9:33:05 GMT -5
I am very discouraged by this board. Although I am no longer a 2x2 and feel it’s teachings were harmful to me, I maintain respect for most 2x2 people. But I am losing it. There are very few representatives who post on this board and some who do (I will not name names) are showing the “system” and it’s people to be deplorable. Please show me that they do not truly represent the faith. I know those of us who have left can be hard on you. I understand that - but I need you to speak up if you are reading. We all need to show mutual respect. Souls are so easily wounded. Hi Verna. I’ve met hundreds of friends and workers in several different countries, and not found the slightest hint of anything other than them being kind and reasonable in the vast majority. There’s a minority who are stronger and harsher, and we tend to remember these, and then there’s a few who are clearly bad apples, and these give us all a bad name. But they are not typical of us, just like Trump is not typical of all Americans. I’ve tried to reason with some on here in the past and found that it’s impossible, they will never accept anything that doesn’t suit them, no matter the facts. So I gave up. I tried to suggest changes to admin that might make the forum more appealing to ‘moderates’ but was told that this is what people want so it will continue as it is, so I think this is why so few people participate these days. Any thread goes off topic after the first few posts, which I find infuriating. I see no future for TMB, other than for about a dozen members. Recently I started going through the workers in my continent, and was surprised at how many there were. I started to realize that with this amount of workers (and for every worker there’s probably about 100 friends) there will be a minority who are not typical of the rest of us, but this could be quite a few. I’m encouraged by my overseer making some changes recently to encourage right and remove wrong among us, hopefully this trend will continue. I’ll keep encouraging him. I would love to find a way for the kind and reasonable ones to find their voice, but ANYTHING they say publicly will be immediately torn to shreds by a few who love to argue, so it is pointless. I like to discuss with people, but I don’t like to argue (where neither party gives any ground) so TMB is not the place for me or you, I feel. But I’m not sure what other options there are.
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