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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 27, 2021 4:02:18 GMT -5
It is so frustrating, and if it ends up proving to be a super spreader event, then it sets back the cause of freedom by quite some time. Calling them boofheads is an understatement. on the IQ scale, I call them idiots. The only problem I have with your statement is that idiot is an understatement as well. Has an appropriate word even been invented yet? People are dying because of this folly, and there will be profound regret looking back on this time in history. On the IQ scale, Idiot is the lowest, below Moron. I think it is IQ 0-25 from memory
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 27, 2021 4:20:11 GMT -5
As soon as she mentioned Samoa I knew she was being wilfully ignorant and stupid. As I have come to realize. There is two pandemics. COVID and STUPID. For those not aware of the fiasco in Samoa, a nurse who was supposed to be giving a MMR vaccine to two little ones, accidently gave them a shot of muscle relaxant. That should not even have been in the same room as the MMR vaccine. As a result of that there was widespread fear of the MMR vaccine and a large number of children were not vaccinated because of that fear. Along came someone with measles and this swept through the unvaccinated population like wildfire resulting in a large number of needless deaths. Thankfully the Samoans have sorted that out and are back to vaccinating their children against MMR.
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2021 4:37:01 GMT -5
As soon as she mentioned Samoa I knew she was being wilfully ignorant and stupid. As I have come to realize. There is two pandemics. COVID and STUPID. For those not aware of the fiasco in Samoa, a nurse who was supposed to be giving a MMR vaccine to two little ones, accidently gave them a shot of muscle relaxant. That should not even have been in the same room as the MMR vaccine. As a result of that there was widespread fear of the MMR vaccine and a large number of children were not vaccinated because of that fear. Along came someone with measles and this swept through the unvaccinated population like wildfire resulting in a large number of needless deaths. Thankfully the Samoans have sorted that out and are back to vaccinating their children against MMR. You forgot to mention that the anti-vax nutters exploited the situation until the authorities had them arrested after an outbreak that killed at least 63 people, most of them children: Samoa Arrests Anti-Vaccination Activist As Measles Death Toll Rises
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 27, 2021 4:45:46 GMT -5
As soon as she mentioned Samoa I knew she was being wilfully ignorant and stupid. As I have come to realize. There is two pandemics. COVID and STUPID. For those not aware of the fiasco in Samoa, a nurse who was supposed to be giving a MMR vaccine to two little ones, accidently gave them a shot of muscle relaxant. That should not even have been in the same room as the MMR vaccine. As a result of that there was widespread fear of the MMR vaccine and a large number of children were not vaccinated because of that fear. Along came someone with measles and this swept through the unvaccinated population like wildfire resulting in a large number of needless deaths. Thankfully the Samoans have sorted that out and are back to vaccinating their children against MMR. You forgot to mention that the anti-vax nutters exploited the situation until the authorities had them arrested after an outbreak that killed at least 63 people, most of them children: Samoa Arrests Anti-Vaccination Activist As Measles Death Toll RisesThanks for posting that Fixit. It's a timely reminder that vaccines work. I like how they locked up Mr numb nuts.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 27, 2021 5:09:40 GMT -5
Some of the churches in South Auckland need dealing to too, for their anti-vax messaging.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 12:13:53 GMT -5
As soon as she mentioned Samoa I knew she was being wilfully ignorant and stupid. As I have come to realize. There is two pandemics. COVID and STUPID. For those not aware of the fiasco in Samoa, a nurse who was supposed to be giving a MMR vaccine to two little ones, accidently gave them a shot of muscle relaxant. That should not even have been in the same room as the MMR vaccine. As a result of that there was widespread fear of the MMR vaccine and a large number of children were not vaccinated because of that fear. Along came someone with measles and this swept through the unvaccinated population like wildfire resulting in a large number of needless deaths. Thankfully the Samoans have sorted that out and are back to vaccinating their children against MMR. You forgot to mention that the anti-vax nutters exploited the situation until the authorities had them arrested after an outbreak that killed at least 63 people, most of them children: Samoa Arrests Anti-Vaccination Activist As Measles Death Toll RisesThe article references the film "Vaxxed". When that film came out initially, Dr. Wakefield appeared in Kansas City at the opening to promote the film. I had a couple of students in microbiology and genetics that were planning on attending, being prone to anti-vaccine message. I informed them that Wakefield (the hero of the anti-vax movement who initially published the falsified and retracted journal suggesting a link to autism) had a patent on a single dose measles vaccine. They didn't believe me of course, so I told them to ask him about it if they had a chance. One girl actually did. She came back to class and said "he said it wasn't a vaccine. It was an inoculation of parts of the measles virus which generates immunity to future exposure to measles." To which I responded: "That's exactly what a vaccine is". The look on her face as it dawned on her that the hero of the anti-vaccine movement had a patent which would've made him a fortune if MMR was banned was priceless! I had a strong contingent of students in that class who came back talking about the "CDC conspiracy" and how they were "throwing papers in the trash can". When I asked them what data were modified, they had no idea. The film didn't say. It turns out that I had access to the original data, as well as the modified data. The reason that the researchers had to throw out some of their data and re-calculate is that they didn't have birth weights for all subjects. Since low birth rate is a known risk factor for development of autism, it represents a variable that they couldn't control. So they went through and for all subjects that had no birth weight (usually these were subjects for which the medical history didn't include the birth certificate for whatever reason) and discarded the entire patient file in a bin. Since it is protected information under patient/doctor confidentiality, they were morally obliged to destroy the files that were not being used in the study. They kept the original data though, and I had both the original and modified data. (as a side, if they were underhanded in their approach, they would've discarded the original data analysis with the patient files. Obviously.) So, I compared the data themselves directly on the overhead for the entire class to see. Complete transparency. Both data sets showed no correlation between vaccinate and autism diagnosis. However, in a subset of the modified data, there was a decrease in case % in African American boys between (I think) the 2-3 year old age range. It still wasn't statistically significant to display even correlation, but when comparing the raw numbers, a rate of (for example) .5% increased to 1.5% can (with a little imagination) be written as a "300% increase!!!". Put it all together and you get a good old sharable meme : "The CDC threw away data that showed a 300% increase in autism due to vaccination". Then I told them that over 200,000 people will die every year from measles. As they incredulously checked their phones (and upon finding the WHO statistics, quietly put them down), I asked them why it seemed so unlikely. (the unspoken obvious answer: Because the #$(*P%$#P(%* vaccine #@$(%$(#$%ing works!)
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 27, 2021 14:08:37 GMT -5
The article references the film "Vaxxed". When that film came out initially, Dr. Wakefield appeared in Kansas City at the opening to promote the film. I had a couple of students in microbiology and genetics that were planning on attending, being prone to anti-vaccine message. I informed them that Wakefield (the hero of the anti-vax movement who initially published the falsified and retracted journal suggesting a link to autism) had a patent on a single dose measles vaccine. They didn't believe me of course, so I told them to ask him about it if they had a chance. One girl actually did. She came back to class and said "he said it wasn't a vaccine. It was an inoculation of parts of the measles virus which generates immunity to future exposure to measles." To which I responded: "That's exactly what a vaccine is". The look on her face as it dawned on her that the hero of the anti-vaccine movement had a patent which would've made him a fortune if MMR was banned was priceless! I had a strong contingent of students in that class who came back talking about the "CDC conspiracy" and how they were "throwing papers in the trash can". When I asked them what data were modified, they had no idea. The film didn't say. It turns out that I had access to the original data, as well as the modified data. The reason that the researchers had to throw out some of their data and re-calculate is that they didn't have birth weights for all subjects. Since low birth rate is a known risk factor for development of autism, it represents a variable that they couldn't control. So they went through and for all subjects that had no birth weight (usually these were subjects for which the medical history didn't include the birth certificate for whatever reason) and discarded the entire patient file in a bin. Since it is protected information under patient/doctor confidentiality, they were morally obliged to destroy the files that were not being used in the study. They kept the original data though, and I had both the original and modified data. (as a side, if they were underhanded in their approach, they would've discarded the original data analysis with the patient files. Obviously.) So, I compared the data themselves directly on the overhead for the entire class to see. Complete transparency. Both data sets showed no correlation between vaccinate and autism diagnosis. However, in a subset of the modified data, there was a decrease in case % in African American boys between (I think) the 2-3 year old age range. It still wasn't statistically significant to display even correlation, but when comparing the raw numbers, a rate of (for example) .5% increased to 1.5% can (with a little imagination) be written as a "300% increase!!!". Put it all together and you get a good old sharable meme : "The CDC threw away data that showed a 300% increase in autism due to vaccination". Then I told them that over 200,000 people will die every year from measles. As they incredulously checked their phones (and upon finding the WHO statistics, quietly put them down), I asked them why it seemed so unlikely. (the unspoken obvious answer: Because the #$(*P%$#P(%* vaccine #@$(%$(#$%ing works!) Wakefield was stripped of his ability to practice medicine and was jailed for some kind of fraud. That was an excellent outcome.
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Post by fixit on Jul 27, 2021 14:15:56 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 27, 2021 15:21:44 GMT -5
I could never have imagined such a mass suicide/murder via preventable disease. It beggars belief. Now the stupidity has spread to Downunder. Very selfish - and stupid - boofheads. It is so frustrating, and if it ends up proving to be a super spreader event, then it sets back the cause of freedom by quite some time. Calling them boofheads is an understatement. on the IQ scale, I call them idiots. The triumph of mediocrity.
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Post by speak on Jul 27, 2021 16:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by speak on Jul 27, 2021 16:39:35 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that Fixit. It's a timely reminder that vaccines work. I like how they locked up Mr numb nuts. We have been given vaccines for years and not dead yet.
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Post by speak on Jul 27, 2021 16:42:33 GMT -5
Absolutely but then they start crying about their precious rights, don't worry about the rights of others. A very selfish way of life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 8:18:57 GMT -5
On the IQ scale, Idiot is the lowest, below Moron. I think it is IQ 0-25 from memory It’s been interesting to see quite a number of anti-vax posts/comments on social media from (2x2) friends over the past few months. Some denying the virus exists and decrying Govt control etc. After the recent (selfish) protests in Sydney/Melbourne some posted pictures of the riots with captions that it was “democracy at work which was beautiful to watch”. Obviously there are many friends don’t hold these views but there are plenty that do. One friend (who is pro-vaccination) said to me that were quite a number of friends “out west” who feel strongly that public health restrictions are just the Govt trying to control people and refuse to change particularly when it comes to the way they do life/meetings etc. Interesting times … I've had a few of the friends privately express great disappointment in the anti-vax friends. There's quite a few here in the states. If ever there was a test of being able to put the wellbeing of others ahead of oneself (in essence, the major defining part of Christian living), it's been manifest in this pandemic. Whether wearing masks or getting vaccines.
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Post by Annan on Jul 28, 2021 12:03:09 GMT -5
Bears repeating. If ever there was a test of being able to put the wellbeing of others ahead of oneself (in essence, the major defining part of Christian living), it's been manifest in this pandemic. Whether wearing masks or getting vaccines.
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 28, 2021 15:43:40 GMT -5
On the IQ scale, Idiot is the lowest, below Moron. I think it is IQ 0-25 from memory It’s been interesting to see quite a number of anti-vax posts/comments on social media from (2x2) friends over the past few months. Some denying the virus exists and decrying Govt control etc. After the recent (selfish) protests in Sydney/Melbourne some posted pictures of the riots with captions that it was “democracy at work which was beautiful to watch”. Obviously there are many friends don’t hold these views but there are plenty that do. One friend (who is pro-vaccination) said to me that were quite a number of friends “out west” who feel strongly that public health restrictions are just the Govt trying to control people and refuse to change particularly when it comes to the way they do life/meetings etc. Interesting times … Very interesting. I originally thought professing people would be less prone to this stuff than those in worldly churches. Unlike the false religions, they aren't hearing the craziness from the pulpit or Christian TV. But I definitely underestimated the power of social media. The worldlings post the stuff from their circles and it pollutes the thinking of the Friends as well. Pastor Greg Locke gave some great thoughts on COVID and how believers should react:
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2021 17:03:28 GMT -5
On the IQ scale, Idiot is the lowest, below Moron. I think it is IQ 0-25 from memory It’s been interesting to see quite a number of anti-vax posts/comments on social media from (2x2) friends over the past few months. Some denying the virus exists and decrying Govt control etc. After the recent (selfish) protests in Sydney/Melbourne some posted pictures of the riots with captions that it was “democracy at work which was beautiful to watch”. Obviously there are many friends don’t hold these views but there are plenty that do. One friend (who is pro-vaccination) said to me that were quite a number of friends “out west” who feel strongly that public health restrictions are just the Govt trying to control people and refuse to change particularly when it comes to the way they do life/meetings etc. Interesting times … Denying there is an enemy is not a smart way to fight a war with him/it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2021 17:09:42 GMT -5
It appears that for many Americans the greater act of patriotism is the collection of war medals than caring for their fellow Americans' wellbeing. Wearing a mask can save as many American lives as target practice in Afghanistan.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jul 28, 2021 17:39:07 GMT -5
I was talking yesterday to a work colleague in South Africa. In his family, they have all had Covid, but his sister, in her 30's with no underlying health conditions and representative Netballer, has only just come out of a Covid coma after three weeks. She is having to learn to walk again, and is likely to have major and long lasting heart and lung damage. If only they could have got vaccinated in time he said.
There was a piece in our media about an anti-Vax family in the US, and the son tested Positive for Covid. It was only on his deathbed that he acknowledged that Covid was real. I guess it is the Darwinian theory at work! The mother now states that they should have accepted the vaccine when offered it, funny that.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2021 17:49:57 GMT -5
I was talking yesterday to a work colleague in South Africa. In his family, they have all had Covid, but his sister, in her 30's with no underlying health conditions and representative Netballer, has only just come out of a Covid coma after three weeks. She is having to learn to walk again, and is likely to have major and long lasting heart and lung damage. If only they could have got vaccinated in time he said. There was a piece in our media about an anti-Vax family in the US, and the son tested Positive for Covid. It was only on his deathbed that he acknowledged that Covid was real. I guess it is the Darwinian theory at work! The mother now states that they should have accepted the vaccine when offered it, funny that. It's becoming a common occurrence. Maybe they should have had Nathan preaching the Covid-hell early on. He might have saved a lot of those unbelieving souls. Come to think of it, Nathan isn't really that interested in living, just going to places like Venus, or some other hot place.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 28, 2021 17:56:00 GMT -5
I was talking yesterday to a work colleague in South Africa. In his family, they have all had Covid, but his sister, in her 30's with no underlying health conditions and representative Netballer, has only just come out of a Covid coma after three weeks. She is having to learn to walk again, and is likely to have major and long lasting heart and lung damage. If only they could have got vaccinated in time he said. There was a piece in our media about an anti-Vax family in the US, and the son tested Positive for Covid. It was only on his deathbed that he acknowledged that Covid was real. I guess it is the Darwinian theory at work! The mother now states that they should have accepted the vaccine when offered it, funny that. It's becoming a common occurrence. Maybe they should have had Nathan preaching the Covid-hell early on. He might have saved a lot of those unbelieving souls. Come to think of it, Nathan isn't really that interested in living, just going to places like Venus, or some other hot place. I heard that Nathan was once caught in Ho Chi Minh Red Light District and the head worker had to preach to him from: Ezekiel 16:17 “You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.”
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2021 18:52:25 GMT -5
It's becoming a common occurrence. Maybe they should have had Nathan preaching the Covid-hell early on. He might have saved a lot of those unbelieving souls. Come to think of it, Nathan isn't really that interested in living, just going to places like Venus, or some other hot place. I heard that Nathan was once caught in Ho Chi Minh Red Light District and the head worker had to preach to him from: Ezekiel 16:17 “You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.” Did the head worker go to the red light district to catch him? Just asking.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 28, 2021 19:19:52 GMT -5
I heard that Nathan was once caught in Ho Chi Minh Red Light District and the head worker had to preach to him from: Ezekiel 16:17 “You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.” Did the head worker go to the red light district to catch him? Just asking. You know Bob I need to learn to think outside the box like you do. If I knew the answer to your question it might make a more interesting meaningful discovery.
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2021 19:24:24 GMT -5
Did the head worker go to the red light district to catch him? Just asking. You know Bob I need to learn to think outside the box like you do. If I knew the answer to your question it might make a more interesting meaningful discovery. You two old grizzers loonies are so bored these days, you come up with stories to keep your brains going so you don't croak because you don't want meet your God/Creators!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2021 20:57:38 GMT -5
You know Bob I need to learn to think outside the box like you do. If I knew the answer to your question it might make a more interesting meaningful discovery. You two old grizzers loonies are so bored these days, you come up with stories to keep your brains going so you don't croak because you don't want meet your God/Creators! Oh, it wasn't either one of us who came up with THAT story. I heard THAT story a few years ago.
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2021 21:08:09 GMT -5
You two old grizzers loonies are so bored these days, you come up with stories to keep your brains going so you don't croak because you don't want meet your God/Creators! Oh, it wasn't either one of us who came up with THAT story. I heard THAT story a few years ago. Your nose is growing longer, and longer each day on TMB, Pinocchio. What kind of a high school teacher were you that keep making up, stories/fibbing these days. Are you getting senile these days, BobW.
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Post by speak on Jul 28, 2021 21:10:14 GMT -5
You know Bob I need to learn to think outside the box like you do. If I knew the answer to your question it might make a more interesting meaningful discovery. You two old grizzers loonies are so bored these days, you come up with stories to keep your brains going so you don't croak because you don't want meet your God/Creators! What is grizzers loonies? must be the old Canty rugger team
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 28, 2021 21:16:07 GMT -5
Oh, it wasn't either one of us who came up with THAT story. I heard THAT story a few years ago. Your nose is growing longer, and longer each day on TMB, Pinocchio. What kind of a high school teacher were you that keep making up, stories/fibbing these days. Are you getting senile these days, BobW.I didn't make up the story -- I only said that I had heard it before from someone else. It is true that I heard that story being told. I did NOT say it was a true story. So I didn't lie. Nice try, though. Perhaps you didn't read my post well. My high school students knew how to tell the difference between the things I believed to be true, and the things I had heard others saying.
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Post by nathan on Jul 28, 2021 21:26:55 GMT -5
Your nose is growing longer, and longer each day on TMB, Pinocchio. What kind of a high school teacher were you that keep making up, stories/fibbing these days. Are you getting senile these days, BobW. I didn't make up the story -- I only said that I had heard it before from someone else. It is true that I heard that story being told. I did NOT say it was a true story. So I didn't lie. Nice try, though. Perhaps you didn't read my post well. My high school students knew how to tell the difference between the things I believed to be true, and the things I had heard others saying. I was talking about this story written by both of you.....
1) BobW wrote: It's becoming a common occurrence. Maybe they should have had Nathan preaching the Covid-hell early on. He might have saved a lot of those unbelieving souls. Come to think of it, Nathan isn't really that interested in living, just going to places like Venus, or some other hot place. 2) Intel: I heard that Nathan was once caught in Ho Chi Minh Red Light District and the head worker had to preach to him from. Ezekiel 16:17 “You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.” 1) BobW: Did the head worker go to the red light district to catch him? Just asking. ~~ I hope your high school students were smarter than you! Or you screwed them badly.
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