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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 5, 2021 15:30:40 GMT -5
** What are you talking about? Nathan is my user name I use at my home computer after work. I use Nathan02 when I posting on my iPhone at work. Why not use the same name both places? I have wondered that too. I have multiple devices and use one name. Nathan says it's a password issue. Go figure.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 5, 2021 15:42:38 GMT -5
Why not use the same name both places? I have wondered that too. I have multiple devices and use one name. Nathan says it's a password issue. Go figure. On Proboards, if the email one registered with their user name has changed since registration, a request for "Forgot PW" will be sent to the original edress, which in many cases s/he can no longer access. So one cannot change their password for that username--Only solution is to register another user name and PW Dont know if this is the case for Nate, but it could be.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 5, 2021 15:48:21 GMT -5
** I have my opinion, I have dealt with him for many years on the message board... I don't need to show you anything my hunch Iylo is still posting on here by using multiples alias. Enjoy your delusion - I prefer truth myself... The Importance of Truth. Truth is of primary importance to a rational person. It is more important than retaining one's current belief, should it turn out to be incorrect or unfounded. The rational person chooses to believe what actually occurred, based on the evidence which they carefully examine, weigh, test, and evaluate. They come to terms with contradictions and scandals. Is the evidence sufficient? Which narrative has the highest probability and credibility? Truth is secondary to an irrational person. They will often give primary importance to holding fast to one's current belief. Unwilling to examine contrary evidence, the irrational person may make decisions and form beliefs from emotions (love, fear, hope, anger, etc.), vested interest, authority figures, tradition, repetition, familiarity, suggestion, habit, prejudice, propaganda, intimidation, whims, arbitrariness, gut feeling, apathy, submissiveness, etc. Rejecting what one does not want to know in favor of what one prefers to believe, the irrational person is more concerned with securing an arrangement of facts that coincide with current or comfortable beliefs than in finding truth. They may expend much effort to justify a challenged belief and to preserve fiction, fraud, fables, myths, and errors rather than to admit to or accept the truth of a matter. Their beliefs are not based on adequate evidence and sound logic. A delusion is “a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.”
"There are just two kinds of people: one to whom Belief is more precious than Truth, and the other to whom Truth is more precious than Belief." (Author unknown)
** Do you think your friend Iylo going to tell you the truth? That he is posting here under different alias? Once a scorpian always is a scorpion, it's in his nature.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 5, 2021 15:51:15 GMT -5
Well, its quite obvious YOU don't know his style. Whereas your style, Nate, is very easy to recognize, hard not to. Repeat: show me an example post you think he may have written ** I have my opinion, I have dealt with him for many years on the message board... I don't need to show you anything my hunch Iylo is still posting on here by using multiples alias. So it's a hunch, and an opinion, and he's using multiple aliases, and you can simply run with accusing him of that, & apparently don't need to prove yourself to anyone. Do you ever think, crikey, I really do come across as a paranoid narcissist and quite a nut case?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 5, 2021 15:51:52 GMT -5
** I have my opinion, I have dealt with him for many years on the message board... I don't need to show you anything my hunch Iylo is still posting on here by using multiples alias. Enjoy your delusion - I prefer truth myself... The Importance of Truth. Truth is of primary importance to a rational person.
It is more important than retaining one's current belief, should it turn out to be incorrect or unfounded. The rational person chooses to believe what actually occurred, based on the evidence which they carefully examine, weigh, test, and evaluate. They come to terms with contradictions and scandals. Is the evidence sufficient? Which narrative has the highest probability and credibility? Truth is secondary to an irrational person.
They will often give primary importance to holding fast to one's current belief. Unwilling to examine contrary evidence, the irrational person may make decisions and form beliefs from emotions (love, fear, hope, anger, etc.), vested interest, authority figures, tradition, repetition, familiarity, suggestion, habit, prejudice, propaganda, intimidation, whims, arbitrariness, gut feeling, apathy, submissiveness, etc. Rejecting what one does not want to know in favor of what one prefers to believe, the irrational person is more concerned with securing an arrangement of facts that coincide with current or comfortable beliefs than in finding truth. They may expend much effort to justify a challenged belief and to preserve fiction, fraud, fables, myths, and errors rather than to admit to or accept the truth of a matter. Their beliefs are not based on adequate evidence and sound logic. A delusion is “a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.”
"There are just two kinds of people: one to whom Belief is more precious than Truth, and the other to whom Truth is more precious than Belief." (Author unknown)
Thanks for that, Cherie.
You summed it very well.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 5, 2021 16:00:47 GMT -5
Why not use the same name both places? I have wondered that too. I have multiple devices and use one name. Nathan says it's a password issue. Go figure. *** once you register a name with an address ....gmail.com and a password on a computer. If you try to log in on the iPhone using the same name but don't KNOW the password it will NOT let you in. The only way is log in from an iPhone is to change nathan1 with a different email and a new password... Keep the password in a safe place.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 5, 2021 16:15:51 GMT -5
Truth cannot be based on a pithy aphorism that does not fit every situation. There are many exceptions to it.
once something = always something is far from being a true. It is a fallacy in logic. People and things do change.
BTW, you have two misspelled words in your two sentences quoted above.
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Post by fixit on Jul 5, 2021 16:19:45 GMT -5
** I have my opinion, I have dealt with him for many years on the message board... I don't need to show you anything my hunch Iylo is still posting on here by using multiples alias. So it's a hunch, and an opinion, and he's using multiple aliases, and you can simply run with accusing him of that, & apparently don't need to prove yourself to anyone. Do you ever think, crikey, I really do come across as a paranoid narcissist and quite a nut case? Perhaps it's the way it is in Vietnamese culture. Somehow a "hunch" is the same as "Ilylo is posting on TMB". Tis not so. Ilylo rarely posts anymore. *** Ilylo is posting on TMB but he uses different alias.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 5, 2021 16:35:09 GMT -5
Enjoy your delusion - I prefer truth myself... The Importance of Truth. Truth is of primary importance to a rational person. It is more important than retaining one's current belief, should it turn out to be incorrect or unfounded. The rational person chooses to believe what actually occurred, based on the evidence which they carefully examine, weigh, test, and evaluate. They come to terms with contradictions and scandals. Is the evidence sufficient? Which narrative has the highest probability and credibility? Truth is secondary to an irrational person. They will often give primary importance to holding fast to one's current belief. Unwilling to examine contrary evidence, the irrational person may make decisions and form beliefs from emotions (love, fear, hope, anger, etc.), vested interest, authority figures, tradition, repetition, familiarity, suggestion, habit, prejudice, propaganda, intimidation, whims, arbitrariness, gut feeling, apathy, submissiveness, etc. Rejecting what one does not want to know in favor of what one prefers to believe, the irrational person is more concerned with securing an arrangement of facts that coincide with current or comfortable beliefs than in finding truth. They may expend much effort to justify a challenged belief and to preserve fiction, fraud, fables, myths, and errors rather than to admit to or accept the truth of a matter. Their beliefs are not based on adequate evidence and sound logic. A delusion is “a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.”
"There are just two kinds of people: one to whom Belief is more precious than Truth, and the other to whom Truth is more precious than Belief." (Author unknown)
** Do you think your friend Iylo going to tell you the truth? That he is posting here under different alias? Once a scorpian always is a scorpion, it's in his nature. Why wouldn't he? You are quite paranoid aren't you? You really are a great example of "knowledge can not enter a head through an open mouth"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 16:48:48 GMT -5
Suspicious minds Once it affected 1% of the population. Now more than a quarter of us suffer from paranoia, leading expert Daniel Freeman tells Sabine Durrant
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Post by matisse on Jul 5, 2021 16:52:15 GMT -5
there is only the admin and 1 mod now. forums work only one way....you post and you get either negative or positive feedback...anything else is just an echo chamber... right wing propaganda? that is laughable the majority here posting are left wingers... if you think the forum was setup to only have everyone validate your choices in this life you are sadly mistaken... if you are not used to and don't like debates or disagreements then forum life is probably not for you.... there are a few solutions though when a tiff arises...block them, scroll on by, or leave the forum... ex's or those wanting to be ex's can also go here i'm sure its all sugar and spice: questioningfriends.com i also think iylo? has an ex only forum you might check that out and maybe another guy The Truth Old & New Facebook-Christian group has taken the place of TMB - about 500 members and growing...It's members are Ex2x2s and seriously questioning 2x2s. www.facebook.com/groups/164371487324554The Liberty Connection (TLC) Forum is solely for ex-2x2s: galatians5.proboards.com/Last I knew, admittedly some years ago now, TLC was solely for ex-2x2's who believe in an "acceptable" form of Christianity.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 5, 2021 16:56:28 GMT -5
So it's a hunch, and an opinion, and he's using multiple aliases, and you can simply run with accusing him of that, & apparently do.n't need to prove yourself to anyone. Do you ever think, crikey, I really do come across as a paranoid narcissist and quite a nut case? Perhaps it's the way it is in Vietnamese culture. Somehow a "hunch" is the same as "Ilylo is posting on TMB". *** Ilylo is posting on TMB but he uses different alias. *** Yep, that is my opinion, he is still posting on TMB under different alias. I can smell him on here!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 17:17:47 GMT -5
What is religious paranoia?
Definition. Individuals experiencing religious delusions are preoccupied with religious subjects that are not within the expected beliefs for an individual's background, including culture, education, and known experiences of religion. These preoccupations are incongruous with the mood of the subject.
Is one of the inherent problems with 2x2ism.
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Post by verna on Jul 5, 2021 17:23:59 GMT -5
What is religious paranoia? Definition. Individuals experiencing religious delusions are preoccupied with religious subjects that are not within the expected beliefs for an individual's background, including culture, education, and known experiences of religion. These preoccupations are incongruous with the mood of the subject. Is one of the inherent problems with 2x2ism. Can you give an example Redback?
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Post by fixit on Jul 5, 2021 17:27:18 GMT -5
Perhaps it's the way it is in Vietnamese culture. Somehow a "hunch" is the same as "Ilylo is posting on TMB". *** Yep, that is my opinion, he is still posting on TMB under different alias. I can smell him on here! So fact, hunch, opinion and smell are all the same?
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Post by openingact34 on Jul 5, 2021 17:30:09 GMT -5
Last I knew, admittedly some years ago now, TLC was solely for ex-2x2's who believe in an "acceptable" form of Christianity. You also have to have "acceptable" politics and personal opinions Dmmichgood started a thread about how she was banished from TLC and about 20 other people of all different belief systems came out of the woodwork and shared similar stories about how they were banned for offenses like supporting Obama or having the wrong opinion about marijuana legalization. professing.proboards.com/thread/20035/kicked-off-tlc-board?page=1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 17:37:11 GMT -5
What is religious paranoia? Definition. Individuals experiencing religious delusions are preoccupied with religious subjects that are not within the expected beliefs for an individual's background, including culture, education, and known experiences of religion. These preoccupations are incongruous with the mood of the subject. Is one of the inherent problems with 2x2ism. Can you give an example Redback? All other Churches are false. As 2x2's we made that judgement without even attending them to see for ourselves.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 5, 2021 17:42:14 GMT -5
*** Yep, that is my opinion, he is still posting on TMB under different alias. I can smell him on here! So fact, hunch, opinion and smell are all the same? ** Did I say it was a FACT? I said my opinion. Why, do you always get the FACT and opinon mixed up? You are not that old.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 17:57:18 GMT -5
A fact is a statement that can be proven true or false. An opinion is an expression of a person's feelings that cannot be proven. Opinions can be based on facts or emotions and sometimes they are meant to deliberately mislead others.
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Post by fixit on Jul 5, 2021 18:16:41 GMT -5
So fact, hunch, opinion and smell are all the same? ** Did I say it was a FACT? I said my opinion. Why, do you always get the FACT and opinon mixed up? You are not that old. A native English speaker would read the following post as fact: Tis not so. Ilylo rarely posts anymore. *** Ilylo is posting on TMB but he uses different alias. It seems that a native Vietnamese speaker reads that as opinion, hunch, or smell.
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Post by fixit on Jul 5, 2021 18:19:26 GMT -5
Nate: apart from the cultural/language difficulties, it seems that you type whatever comes into your head without thinking it through.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 5, 2021 18:27:01 GMT -5
Nate: apart from the cultural/language difficulties, it seems that you type whatever comes into your head without thinking it through. ** Is that FACT or your opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 19:05:45 GMT -5
A word for someone who regularly expresses opinions as facts is pontificator. One who expresses opinions or judgements in a dogmatic way.
We must all avoid pontificating.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 20:02:14 GMT -5
Pontificate with caution (or not at all)
OPINION BILL LEONARD, SENIOR COLUMNIST | MARCH 9, 2017
We all pontificate, those times when we “speak or express opinions in a pompous or dogmatic way.” Like the pastor who entered the pulpit one Sunday and declared: “I had a great sermon on humility for today. But the crowd is so small I decided not to preach it.”
Distinguishing between the insightfully prophetic and the vacuously pontificating is ever challenging for people of faith and religious conviction. We clergy-types are especially vulnerable since we are asked, dare we say called, to address questions of law and gospel, nature and grace, good and evil, all the time.
Declaring ourselves and our consciences on matters benign or controversial requires at least a modicum of humility, if not considerable humor, listening to and beyond ourselves. Likewise, sorting through the declarations of those who want their theological-ethical ideals to be normative for the rest of us compels us to determine who’s being prophetic and who’s merely pontificating. That’s not always easy since one person’s prophet is another person’s pontificator.
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Post by speak on Jul 5, 2021 20:07:02 GMT -5
When I first came to this board, a number of years ago, it was a place of comfort and support. People who had lived the 2X2 experience and had left or were thinking of leaving or in the process of leaving, supported each other. What happened to this board? What happened to the moderators? It's shameful what goes on here now. This place, which should be a place of support in a time of need, has become a place of intimidation, mockery, rudeness, arrogance, hate and a platform for a political right wing propaganda agenda. I gained a lot of support from this board when I first left the 2X2s, thanks to the number of exes who were on here at the time. Today, outspoken professing members on the board, intimidate, bully and discourage anyone who disagrees with their way of thinking.This is completely unacceptable; shame to those members who think that this is ok, and shame to the moderators who turn a blind eye. This board has changed and not for the better. It's disgusting what this has become. I pity anyone new who comes here for support like I did all those years ago. Let's make that plain, it is not true of all. But they can be ignored.
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Post by speak on Jul 5, 2021 20:09:02 GMT -5
there is only the admin and 1 mod now. forums work only one way....you post and you get either negative or positive feedback...anything else is just an echo chamber... right wing propaganda? that is laughable the majority here posting are left wingers... if you think the forum was setup to only have everyone validate your choices in this life you are sadly mistaken... if you are not used to and don't like debates or disagreements then forum life is probably not for you.... there are a few solutions though when a tiff arises...block them, scroll on by, or leave the forum... ex's or those wanting to be ex's can also go here i'm sure its all sugar and spice: questioningfriends.com i also think iylo? has an ex only forum you might check that out and maybe another guy But in iylo's forum you have to agree with iylo, -otherwise you get kicked out.Bit Trump like
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Post by speak on Jul 5, 2021 20:11:00 GMT -5
Tis not so. Ilylo rarely posts anymore. *** Ilylo is posting on TMB but he uses different alias. nathan02
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Post by speak on Jul 5, 2021 20:16:22 GMT -5
*** Yep, that is my opinion, he is still posting on TMB under different alias. I can smell him on here! So fact, hunch, opinion and smell are all the same? Something smells there.
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