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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 3, 2021 16:30:22 GMT -5
Did they visit Alaska, Hawaii and Sarawak in the 4th century? Jesus said in Acts 1 the gospel starting in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria first then eventually will reach to all Gentiles nations for 2000 years so far to give them opportunity or a chance to accept the message of hope and Salvation. Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 once the gospel has reached to all Gentiles nations then He will come back to reap the harvest and take those belong to Him. Yes, but say you were born in remote Australia in year 1078. Straight to hell by your logic. Few holes in the idea if you face up to it.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 3, 2021 16:31:47 GMT -5
that is the difference between laying up treasure in heaven vs laying up treasure here. which one do you think will last past the end? No that is not the difference. I believe caring for the earth is an extension of love. Your attitude of “it is here for us to use” is that of entitlement which I don’t think is a fruit of the spirit. If God created the world do you not think he/she/it would want us to care for it rather than waiting for “daddy” to come and give us a new one after we destroy the one we already have? ** This planet mankind, Satan and their evil children have ruined it with Nuclear waste, too many nuclear bombs they have created that can destroy earth with WW III wars. Too many BAD memories are here, God and Christ will destroy this earth planet and create a New earth and heaven.
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Post by Dan on Jul 3, 2021 16:33:26 GMT -5
** Mortal beings are menance to the billions planets, and Trillions galaxies in the Universe! Earth has been around 4.5 Billions years and it took mankind the last 75 years to destroy it with Nuclear plants meltdown, nuclear waste, polutions, plastic NOT bio-degradable the seize of Texas or bigger floating in the ocean. The fish eat the radiation and we eat the fish. Yikes! Now with the Lit. electric batteries which are Not biodegradeable, where in the world they are going to bury billions of these batteries?God and Christ will NOT allow mortal beings to colonize other planets in the solar system because they are going to ruin and destroy God's creations. Jesus will come back and deal with the mortal beings once and for all, the fallen humans are like cancer it has to be eliminated to save the greed, rebellious nature, selfishness from spreading to other beings out there in the Universe.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 3, 2021 16:38:27 GMT -5
** God and Christ have given MANY Gentiles the last 2000 years the chance and opportunity in hearing the gospel and is still doing it today but NOT for very long! Nathan read my question again. In what way did you answer it? ** Sorry, Jews, non-Gentiles and Gentiles get the same opportunity in receiving hope and Salvation message.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 16:38:27 GMT -5
** Mortal beings are menance to the billions planets, and Trillions galaxies in the Universe! Earth has been around 4.5 Billions years and it took mankind the last 75 years to destroy it with Nuclear plants meltdown, nuclear waste, polutions, plastic NOT bio-degradable the seize of Texas or bigger floating in the ocean. The fish eat the radiation and we eat the fish. Yikes! Now with the Lit. electric batteries which are Not biodegradeable, where in the world they are going to bury billions of these batteries?God and Christ will NOT allow mortal beings to colonize other planets in the solar system because they are going to ruin and destroy God's creations. Jesus will come back and deal with the mortal beings once and for all, the fallen humans are like cancer it has to be eliminated to save the greed, rebellious nature, selfishness from spreading to other beings out there in the Universe.
yes, there are companies that render old batters into raw material use to make new ones
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2021 16:39:50 GMT -5
Thankyou. The first stars were hydrogen and helium but they burnt their hydrogen very quickly and in their final stages they fuse together whatever nuclei they can find to create heavier atoms than helium, such as carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and other heavier types of atoms which are all around us and in us today. These atoms are scattered back into the nearby gas clouds in great explosions and get swept up in the creation of the next generation of stars. The process continues and new stars form from the accumulating gas and ash, die and create more ash. As younger stars are created, the familiar spiral shape of our galaxy, the Milky Way takes shape. The same thing is happening in similar patches of dark matter and gas peppered across the visible universe. Now the above is a bit of Hawkings. I was thinking of what you said about third generation stars forming elements as heavy as 115 to 132. They would still only be a combination of what was already there. Which is metals. The cosmologist that said that was Emma Chapman who is involved in research looking for the first stars. My understanding is that there are 94 naturally occurring elements with another 24 created by scientists in laborotories. Now about your assertion that there may be elements heavy enough that they are able to repel gravity. Also the Law of Universal Gravitation states that: Every particle in the Universe attracts every other particle with a force, pointing along the line between the particles, which is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2021 16:42:37 GMT -5
Did they visit Alaska, Hawaii and Sarawak in the 4th century? Jesus said in Acts 1 the gospel starting in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria first then eventually will reach to all Gentiles nations for 2000 years so far to give them opportunity or a chance to accept the message of hope and Salvation. Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 once the gospel has reached to all Gentiles nations then He will come back to reap the harvest and take those belong to Him. That's the glib response I was referring to.
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 16:44:42 GMT -5
** Mortal beings are menance to the billions planets, and Trillions galaxies in the Universe! Earth has been around 4.5 Billions years and it took mankind the last 75 years to destroy it with Nuclear plants meltdown, nuclear waste, polutions, plastic NOT bio-degradable the seize of Texas or bigger floating in the ocean. The fish eat the radiation and we eat the fish. Yikes! Now with the Lit. electric batteries which are Not biodegradeable, where in the world they are going to bury billions of these batteries?God and Christ will NOT allow mortal beings to colonize other planets in the solar system because they are going to ruin and destroy God's creations. Jesus will come back and deal with the mortal beings once and for all, the fallen humans are like cancer it has to be eliminated to save the greed, rebellious nature, selfishness from spreading to other beings out there in the Universe.
I agree that it is complex but I do not believe that we can abdicate responsibility and see resources as simply ours to “use”.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 3, 2021 16:45:59 GMT -5
Jesus said in Acts 1 the gospel starting in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria first then eventually will reach to all Gentiles nations for 2000 years so far to give them opportunity or a chance to accept the message of hope and Salvation. Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 once the gospel has reached to all Gentiles nations then He will come back to reap the harvest and take those belong to Him. Yes, but say you were born in remote Australia in year 1078. Straight to hell by your logic. Few holes in the idea if you face up to it. *** Nope, people will be judged by how Much truth message gospel they have heard and KNOWN. Before they had the chance to hear the gospel, God had put in all the humans the conscious of knowing what is right and wrong, God will judge them by that. Paul explained all of this in Rom. 1:18-24.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 16:50:03 GMT -5
Yes, but say you were born in remote Australia in year 1078. Straight to hell by your logic. Few holes in the idea if you face up to it. *** Nope, people will be judged by how Much truth message gospel they have heard and KNOWN. Before they had the chance to hear the gospel, God had put in all the humans the conscious of knowing what is right and wrong, God will judge them by that. You speak a lot for God. What does he think of that.
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 16:50:13 GMT -5
Yes, but say you were born in remote Australia in year 1078. Straight to hell by your logic. Few holes in the idea if you face up to it. *** Nope, people will be judged by how Much truth message gospel they have heard and KNOWN. Before they had the chance to hear the gospel, God had put in all the humans the conscious of knowing what is right and wrong, God will judge them by that. And I have been told that those of use who “knew the truth” but left it will go to the worst type of hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 17:02:00 GMT -5
that is the difference between laying up treasure in heaven vs laying up treasure here. which one do you think will last past the end? No that is not the difference. I believe caring for the earth is an extension of love. Your attitude of “it is here for us to use” is that of entitlement which I don’t think is a fruit of the spirit. If God created the world do you not think he/she/it would want us to care for it rather than waiting for “daddy” to come and give us a new one after we destroy the one we already have? God said to subdue and have dominion over the earth and its creatures not a lot of "love' in that from many Christian perspectives... so you are a "sky daddy" follower too? nothing in the bible that i am aware of that say we'll be judged by how we care for the old earth but there is plenty about caring for a soul though...
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 17:12:21 GMT -5
No that is not the difference. I believe caring for the earth is an extension of love. Your attitude of “it is here for us to use” is that of entitlement which I don’t think is a fruit of the spirit. If God created the world do you not think he/she/it would want us to care for it rather than waiting for “daddy” to come and give us a new one after we destroy the one we already have? God said to subdue and have dominion over the earth and its creatures not a lot of "love' in that from many Christian perspectives... so you are a "sky daddy" follower too? nothing in the bible that i am aware of that say we'll be judged by how we care for the old earth but there is plenty about caring for a soul though... Sky Daddy? No - it was an analogy referring to your attitude toward the earth - an entitled child. And yes - if you are given dominion over something I would think it would be your responsibility to care for it. I personally see it more as reciprocity - the earth cares for us and we care for it.
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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 3, 2021 17:15:41 GMT -5
No that is not the difference. I believe caring for the earth is an extension of love. Your attitude of “it is here for us to use” is that of entitlement which I don’t think is a fruit of the spirit. If God created the world do you not think he/she/it would want us to care for it rather than waiting for “daddy” to come and give us a new one after we destroy the one we already have? nothing in the bible that i am aware of that say we'll be judged by how we care for the old earth but there is plenty about caring for a soul though... So we can treat God's creations & creatures like crap with zero consequences? Sounds a bit odd.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 17:19:57 GMT -5
nothing in the bible that i am aware of that say we'll be judged by how we care for the old earth but there is plenty about caring for a soul though... So we can treat God's creations & creatures like crap with zero consequences? Sounds a bit odd. did none of you even see where i said "wisely" but use it nonetheless? pay attention people....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 17:23:09 GMT -5
God said to subdue and have dominion over the earth and its creatures not a lot of "love' in that from many Christian perspectives... so you are a "sky daddy" follower too? nothing in the bible that i am aware of that say we'll be judged by how we care for the old earth but there is plenty about caring for a soul though... Sky Daddy? No - it was an analogy referring to your attitude toward the earth - an entitled child. And yes - if you are given dominion over something I would think it would be your responsibility to care for it. I personally see it more as reciprocity - the earth cares for us and we care for it. dominion and subdue are not friendly terms last i knew...i prefer to go with scripture rather than feelings...
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 17:25:32 GMT -5
Sky Daddy? No - it was an analogy referring to your attitude toward the earth - an entitled child. And yes - if you are given dominion over something I would think it would be your responsibility to care for it. I personally see it more as reciprocity - the earth cares for us and we care for it. dominion and subdue are not friendly terms last i knew...i prefer to go with scripture rather than feelings... I’ll go with love rather than power. Power has not gone so well.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2021 17:37:53 GMT -5
Did they visit Alaska, Hawaii and Sarawak in the 4th century? Jesus said in Acts 1 the gospel starting in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria first then eventually will reach to all Gentiles nations for 2000 years so far to give them opportunity or a chance to accept the message of hope and Salvation. Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 once the gospel has reached to all Gentiles nations then He will come back to reap the harvest and take those belong to Him. That's the kind of glib response I was referring to. here's the meaning of glib. of words or a speaker) fluent but insincere and shallow. "the glib phrases soon roll off the tongue" The worker type responses we see on here could also be called hubris. here's the meaning of hubris. Definition of hubris : exaggerated pride or self-confidence
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 17:47:58 GMT -5
dominion and subdue are not friendly terms last i knew...i prefer to go with scripture rather than feelings... I’ll go with love rather than power. Power has not gone so well. better to love the creator rather than the creature/creation...which will last past the end?
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Post by Dan on Jul 3, 2021 17:49:54 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s asinine. Makes sense you have a personal relationship with God/Jesus and the church is your community/support system if required. Or do you not believe in having a personal relationship with God/Jesus. Some people insist that to have a relationship with their god, one needs to have heard the gospel, told by two homeless people. This is the only way that they will live for ever in eternity. Furthermore to be a good person with all the fruits of the spirit one needs to follow the scriptures. As you can see this is quite an exclusive picture. Now think on this. Preachers were not going out in pairs until William Irvine dreamed up his experiment. How then did the people of Alaska or Hawaii or Sarawak now these fruits of the spirit in the 4th century. Where were the preachers going out in pairs in the 4th century to countries and islands all over the globe. The workers will tell you glibly that their god knows his own. I tell you that when the bible was written by man that the writers did not even know these places. Or of other peoples. They knew nothing beyond their own shores. This is where exclusivity causes the house of cards which is the Abrahamic religions to start toppling. At the same time that man invented the Abrahamic god, there were other men who had never heard of Egypt or Israel or Palestine, writing about their gods. The Hindus and the others for instance. Religion in early times was very regional. Every group of people have had their own explanation for how the sun and the planets and the moons came to be. Not one of them is anywhere near the truth but when people do not know the truth they are comforted by someone telling them a story. Once you realize that the bible is just a story, then you will be able to get on with your life and be a good person without the religious props that so many seem to need. Oh, I nearly forgot. They need them because they believe they are going to live for ever. That is the egotistical bit coming to the fore in their human nature.
He that has ears to hear, let him hear.. If you've never heard the gospel, how can you have a relationship with the God it speaks of?
Homeless people? "Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee. And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time" (Mark 10:28-30). Don't the Workers have hundreds of homes and families, sisters and brothers in Christ?
Everyone will hear the gospel before judgement (1 Peter 3:9). That's what the Lord's Day (millennium) is for, a time of teaching. It doesn't matter that the gospel writers didn't know about every place on earth, its why Jesus said, "And the gospel must first be preached (published) to all nations" (Mark 13:10). The entire world pretty much does know the basic gospel story now, so the Abrahamic religion is hardly a house of cards that came tumbling down.
Not everyone needs to know how the universe came into existence, we only need to realize that it didn't just magically happen by itself. Only something from a non-physical plane of existence could have caused this physical realm of existence to come into being.
Belief in the bible is not derived from a need to fill an emotional human void, but a calling that enlightens a soul to its intended purpose. Yes there are many gods from many cultures, its the adversaries way of confounding the truth. Creating hundreds of different paths isn't Gods doing, He's not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33). "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me".
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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 3, 2021 17:51:01 GMT -5
So we can treat God's creations & creatures like crap with zero consequences? Sounds a bit odd. did none of you even see where i said "wisely" but use it nonetheless? pay attention people.... I quoted your post word for word. Go figure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 17:53:08 GMT -5
did none of you even see where i said "wisely" but use it nonetheless? pay attention people.... I quoted your post word for word. Go figure. i've made more than one post on this thread...keep up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 17:57:30 GMT -5
“We are part of this Universe; we are in this Universe, but perhaps more important than both of those facts, is that the Universe is in us.”
Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 17:58:00 GMT -5
I’ll go with love rather than power. Power has not gone so well. better to love the creator rather than the creature/creation...which will last past the end? You know I think this must be something I learned as a 2x2, and I struggle with it continually. Or maybe it’s just a human tendency. That argument is a diversion. Why does it need to be either/or? Are you unable to care for the creator and the creation/creature?
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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 3, 2021 18:08:56 GMT -5
I quoted your post word for word. Go figure. i've made more than one post on this thread...keep up Yep, always someone else's fault. . . . Narcissist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 18:11:55 GMT -5
better to love the creator rather than the creature/creation...which will last past the end? You know I think this must be something I learned as a 2x2, and I struggle with it continually. Or maybe it’s just a human tendency. That argument is a diversion. Why does it need to be either/or? Are you unable to care for the creator and the creation/creature? God is an either or entity. right or wrong, truth or lies, him or the highway....
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2021 18:24:42 GMT -5
You know I think this must be something I learned as a 2x2, and I struggle with it continually. Or maybe it’s just a human tendency. That argument is a diversion. Why does it need to be either/or? Are you unable to care for the creator and the creation/creature? God is an either or entity. right or wrong, truth or lies, him or the highway.... Tell me again how your god made a stick into a snake and made a donkey talk.
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 18:24:47 GMT -5
You know I think this must be something I learned as a 2x2, and I struggle with it continually. Or maybe it’s just a human tendency. That argument is a diversion. Why does it need to be either/or? Are you unable to care for the creator and the creation/creature? God is an either or entity. right or wrong, truth or lies, him or the highway.... More diversion. So God has commanded that if you care for him you cannot care for the earth?
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