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Post by nathan02 on Jul 3, 2021 15:03:55 GMT -5
*** Have you heard the sermon from a worker of the WAY within the WAY? Many of those who raised and LEFT the 2x2 fellowship believed they hear and KNOW everything about the Way and truth of Jesus. God and Christ reveal the Truth and Way as we continue walking in truth. God will give us more understanding and revelation! But to those who give up then God takes away what they have. If they REPENT then God will RESTORE their vision and give them more understanding. The life of Paul was a good example! If he had disobeyed the resurrected Christ instruction to meet Ananais and be baptized by him, he would have lost his natural and spiritual vision and understanding the Way and Truth of Jesus Christ. Let me repeat myself Nathan: “Nathan it seems you forget that most of us have experienced religious indoctrination. We are well aware of the party line.” I understand what you are saying but I do not agree with it. Reinforcing what you say by referencing what a worker said does not prove anything. ** You don't have to agree with me... I am just share my opinion, you can believe or not is up to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 15:11:13 GMT -5
If in fact a myth, it proves nothing... But if its the truth, it ought to be self-evident simply by virtue of the fact that the truth cannot be proven false.
To my knowledge, no one in 2000 years has proven anything Christ said to be false. The Truth has a way of bearing witness of itself.
But of course, we are called by faith, and its by faith that we believe physical verification of the truth is on its way. (someday)
"anything Christ said" First I think there was a man named Yeshua who was born of a relative un-important family in Nazareth (not the modern town we know of that name today). For whatever reason stories sprang up and were embellished. But since no one uses his real name it just shows they know nothing about him. And then these stories were used to control people. Mean while back in 2021 please walk on water of turn water into wine without high-tech. If religion was so great then there would be no problem keeping our planet fit for human life until we have the tech to find a new home. balderdash. its not about saving this world or any you might want to flee to. its about getting ready for the next world to come(read new heaven, new earth, new jerusalem)...
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 15:14:19 GMT -5
"anything Christ said" First I think there was a man named Yeshua who was born of a relative un-important family in Nazareth (not the modern town we know of that name today). For whatever reason stories sprang up and were embellished. But since no one uses his real name it just shows they know nothing about him. And then these stories were used to control people. Mean while back in 2021 please walk on water of turn water into wine without high-tech. If religion was so great then there would be no problem keeping our planet fit for human life until we have the tech to find a new home. balderdash. its not about saving this world or any you might want to flee to. its about getting ready for the next world to come(read new heaven, new earth, new jerusalem)... Yep that the easy thing just keep burning fossil fuels until the planet is done for and the wake up ( or not) to find out no next fairytale world wafting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 15:16:39 GMT -5
balderdash. its not about saving this world or any you might want to flee to. its about getting ready for the next world to come(read new heaven, new earth, new jerusalem)... Yep that the easy thing just keep burning fossil fuels until the planet is done for and the wake up ( or not) to find out no next fairytale world wafting. abandoning fossil fuels wont save the planet....
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 15:22:43 GMT -5
Let me repeat myself Nathan: “Nathan it seems you forget that most of us have experienced religious indoctrination. We are well aware of the party line.” I understand what you are saying but I do not agree with it. Reinforcing what you say by referencing what a worker said does not prove anything. ** You don't have to agree with me... I am just share my opinion, you can believe or not is up to you. Thank-you.
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 15:25:41 GMT -5
Yep that the easy thing just keep burning fossil fuels until the planet is done for and the wake up ( or not) to find out no next fairytale world wafting. abandoning fossil fuels wont save the planet.... What do you suggest?
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 15:26:32 GMT -5
Yep that the easy thing just keep burning fossil fuels until the planet is done for and the wake up ( or not) to find out no next fairytale world wafting. abandoning fossil fuels wont save the planet.... I didn't say abandon them we still need them for lubrication and special machine just not personnel transportation. Are you really saying you refuse to ride a mule to convention?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 15:37:51 GMT -5
abandoning fossil fuels wont save the planet.... I didn't say abandon them we still need them for lubrication and special machine just not personnel transportation. Are you really saying you refuse to ride a mule to convention? oh but that is not the real greener agenda is it... i'll go by truck thank you...i've ridden horses before as a ranch hand i much preferred motorbikes over beasts...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 15:39:25 GMT -5
abandoning fossil fuels wont save the planet.... What do you suggest? the earth was meant to be used(wisely)so use it...its all gonna go up in flames at the end anyways...
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 3, 2021 15:42:42 GMT -5
abandoning fossil fuels wont save the planet.... What do you suggest? ** The U.S. governments have many types of free energy ways they are using for their own secret space programs, using in Area51 under grounds bases but they are NOT sharing with the public. They have a speed trains that go 2000-3000 MPH from east coast to west coast in an couple hours.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2021 15:44:53 GMT -5
that is about as asinine as it comes... I don’t think it’s asinine. Makes sense you have a personal relationship with God/Jesus and the church is your community/support system if required. Or do you not believe in having a personal relationship with God/Jesus. Some people insist that to have a relationship with their god, one needs to have heard the gospel, told by two homeless people. This is the only way that they will live for ever in eternity. Furthermore to be a good person with all the fruits of the spirit one needs to follow the scriptures. As you can see this is quite an exclusive picture. Now think on this. Preachers were not going out in pairs until William Irvine dreamed up his experiment. How then did the people of Alaska or Hawaii or Sarawak now these fruits of the spirit in the 4th century. Where were the preachers going out in pairs in the 4th century to countries and islands all over the globe. The workers will tell you glibly that their god knows his own. I tell you that when the bible was written by man that the writers did not even know these places. Or of other peoples. They knew nothing beyond their own shores. This is where exclusivity causes the house of cards which is the Abrahamic religions to start toppling. At the same time that man invented the Abrahamic god, there were other men who had never heard of Egypt or Israel or Palestine, writing about their gods. The Hindus and the others for instance. Religion in early times was very regional. Every group of people have had their own explanation for how the sun and the planets and the moons came to be. Not one of them is anywhere near the truth but when people do not know the truth they are comforted by someone telling them a story. Once you realize that the bible is just a story, then you will be able to get on with your life and be a good person without the religious props that so many seem to need. Oh, I nearly forgot. They need them because they believe they are going to live for ever. That is the egotistical bit coming to the fore in their human nature.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 15:47:31 GMT -5
** The U.S. governments have many types of free energy ways they are using for their own secret space programs, using in Area51 under grounds bases but they are NOT sharing with the public. Hey Nathan I've been wanting to ask you why your God placed us in a poverty riddled solar system that the heaviest material is Uranium? If he had placed us in a solar system with heaver elements we might have all this space ships you dream about.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 15:48:45 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s asinine. Makes sense you have a personal relationship with God/Jesus and the church is your community/support system if required. Or do you not believe in having a personal relationship with God/Jesus. Some people insist that to have a relationship with their god, one needs to have heard the gospel, told by two homeless people. This is the only way that they will live for ever in eternity. Furthermore to be a good person with all the fruits of the spirit one needs to follow the scriptures. As you can see this is quite an exclusive picture. Now think on this. Preachers were not going out in pairs until William Irvine dreamed up his experiment. How then did the people of Alaska or Hawaii or Sarawak now these fruits of the spirit in the 4th century. Where were the preachers going out in pairs in the 4th century to countries and islands all over the globe. The workers will tell you glibly that their god knows his own. I tell you that when the bible was written by man that the writers did not even know these places. Or of other peoples. They knew nothing beyond their own shores. This is where exclusivity causes the house of cards which is the Abrahamic religions to start toppling. At the same time that man invented the Abrahamic god, there were other men who had never heard of Egypt or Israel or Palestine, writing about their gods. The Hindus and the others for instance. Religion in early times was very regional. Every group of people have had their own explanation for how the sun and the planets and the moons came to be. Not one of them is anywhere near the truth but when people do not know the truth they are comforted by someone telling them a story. Once you realize that the bible is just a story, then you will be able to get on with your life and be a good person without the religious props that so many seem to need. Oh, I nearly forgot. They need them because they believe they are going to live for ever. That is the egotistical bit coming to the fore in their human nature. Amen
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2021 15:48:49 GMT -5
balderdash. its not about saving this world or any you might want to flee to. its about getting ready for the next world to come(read new heaven, new earth, new jerusalem)... Yep that the easy thing just keep burning fossil fuels until the planet is done for and the wake up ( or not) to find out no next fairytale world wafting. There is an interesting correlation between those who believe that their christ is coming next week are the same people who are pro fossil fuel.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2021 15:56:11 GMT -5
** The U.S. governments have many types of free energy ways they are using for their own secret space programs, using in Area51 under grounds bases but they are NOT sharing with the public. Hey Nathan I've been wanting to ask you why your God placed us in a poverty riddled solar system that the heaviest material is Uranium? If he had placed us in a solar system with heaver elements we might have all this space ships you dream about. FThe astronomers and cosmologists agree that the same elements appear through out the universe. One cosmologist went so far as to say her periodic table consisted of one word. That being metals.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 3, 2021 15:57:39 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s asinine. Makes sense you have a personal relationship with God/Jesus and the church is your community/support system if required. Or do you not believe in having a personal relationship with God/Jesus. Some people insist that to have a relationship with their god, one needs to have heard the gospel, told by two homeless people. This is the only way that they will live for ever in eternity. Furthermore to be a good person with all the fruits of the spirit one needs to follow the scriptures. As you can see this is quite an exclusive picture. Now think on this. Preachers were not going out in pairs until William Irvine dreamed up his experiment. How then did the people of Alaska or Hawaii or Sarawak now these fruits of the spirit in the 4th century. Where were the preachers going out in pairs in the 4th century to countries and islands all over the globe. The workers will tell you glibly that their god knows his own. I tell you that when the bible was written by man that the writers did not even know these places. Or of other peoples. They knew nothing beyond their own shores. This is where exclusivity causes the house of cards which is the Abrahamic religions to start toppling. At the same time that man invented the Abrahamic god, there were other men who had never heard of Egypt or Israel or Palestine, writing about their gods. The Hindus and the others for instance. Religion in early times was very regional. Every group of people have had their own explanation for how the sun and the planets and the moons came to be. Not one of them is anywhere near the truth but when people do not know the truth they are comforted by someone telling them a story. Once you realize that the bible is just a story, then you will be able to get on with your life and be a good person without the religious props that so many seem to need. Oh, I nearly forgot. They need them because they believe they are going to live for ever. That is the egotistical bit coming to the fore in their human nature. ** This ex-2×2 atheist doesn't KNOW what he is talking about! There has always been preachersapostles going in pairs like Jesus and the Holy Spirit in Acts like Peter and John in Acts 3, Paul and Barnabas in Acts 13; Paul and Timothy; Paul and Solar and through down the centuries even to our days! with the workers are still going in pairs like Jesus had sent them Two and two in Matthew 10 and Luke 10.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 3, 2021 15:59:47 GMT -5
Some people insist that to have a relationship with their god, one needs to have heard the gospel, told by two homeless people. This is the only way that they will live for ever in eternity. Furthermore to be a good person with all the fruits of the spirit one needs to follow the scriptures. As you can see this is quite an exclusive picture. Now think on this. Preachers were not going out in pairs until William Irvine dreamed up his experiment. How then did the people of Alaska or Hawaii or Sarawak now these fruits of the spirit in the 4th century. Where were the preachers going out in pairs in the 4th century to countries and islands all over the globe. The workers will tell you glibly that their god knows his own. I tell you that when the bible was written by man that the writers did not even know these places. Or of other peoples. They knew nothing beyond their own shores. This is where exclusivity causes the house of cards which is the Abrahamic religions to start toppling. At the same time that man invented the Abrahamic god, there were other men who had never heard of Egypt or Israel or Palestine, writing about their gods. The Hindus and the others for instance. Religion in early times was very regional. Every group of people have had their own explanation for how the sun and the planets and the moons came to be. Not one of them is anywhere near the truth but when people do not know the truth they are comforted by someone telling them a story. Once you realize that the bible is just a story, then you will be able to get on with your life and be a good person without the religious props that so many seem to need. Oh, I nearly forgot. They need them because they believe they are going to live for ever. That is the egotistical bit coming to the fore in their human nature. ** This ex-2×2 atheist doesn't KNOW what he is talking about! There has always been preachersapostles going in pairs like Jesus and the Holy Spirit in Acts like Peter and John in Acts 3, Paul and Barnabas in Acts 13; Paul and Timothy; Paul and Solar and through down the centuries even to our days! with the workers are still going in pairs like Jesus had sent them Two and two in Matthew 10 and Luke 10. Did they visit Alaska, Hawaii and Sarawak in the 4th century?
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 16:06:33 GMT -5
Hey Nathan I've been wanting to ask you why your God placed us in a poverty riddled solar system that the heaviest material is Uranium? If he had placed us in a solar system with heaver elements we might have all this space ships you dream about. FThe astronomers and cosmologists agree that the same elements appear through out the universe. One cosmologist went so far as to say her periodic table consisted of one word. That being metals. Curly I think that is a bit short sighted of them. The first stars formed after the big band may have produced Fe. Then our sun which is thought to be a second stage star produced u92. However, the latest thought is third generation stars can produce elements as heavy as 115 - 132. That means they could repel gravity B.
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 16:09:30 GMT -5
the earth was meant to be used(wisely)so use it...its all gonna go up in flames at the end anyways... I see it as our responsibility to care for the earth and its inhabitants. Very selfish (in my opinion) to think of it as just something to be used rather than nurtured. If your attitude is another one of the “fruits” of Christianity, it is sad.
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 3, 2021 16:11:42 GMT -5
** The U.S. governments have many types of free energy ways they are using for their own secret space programs, using in Area51 under grounds bases but they are NOT sharing with the public. Hey Nathan I've been wanting to ask you why your God placed us in a poverty riddled solar system that the heaviest material is Uranium? If he had placed us in a solar system with heaver elements we might have all this space ships you dream about. ** Mortal beings are menance to the billions planets, and Trillions galaxies in the Universe! Earth has been around 4.5 Billions years and it took mankind the last 75 years to destroy it with Nuclear plants meltdown, nuclear waste, polutions, plastic NOT bio-degradable the seize of Texas or bigger floating in the ocean. The fish eat the radiation and we eat the fish. Yikes! Now with the Lit. electric batteries which are Not biodegradeable, where in the world they are going to bury billions of these batteries? God and Christ will NOT allow mortal beings to colonize other planets in the solar system because they are going to ruin and destroy God's creations. Jesus will come back and deal with the mortal beings once and for all, the fallen humans are like cancer it has to be eliminated to save the greed, rebellious nature, selfishness from spreading to other beings out there in the Universe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 16:13:10 GMT -5
the earth was meant to be used(wisely)so use it...its all gonna go up in flames at the end anyways... I see it as our responsibility to care for the earth and its inhabitants. Very selfish (in my opinion) to think of it as just something to be used rather than nurtured. If your attitude is another one of the “fruits” of Christianity, it is sad. that is the difference between laying up treasure in heaven vs laying up treasure here. which one do you think will last past the end?
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 16:13:51 GMT -5
the earth was meant to be used(wisely)so use it...its all gonna go up in flames at the end anyways... I see it as our responsibility to care for the earth and its inhabitants. Very selfish (in my opinion) to think of it as just something to be used rather than nurtured. If your attitude is another one of the “fruits” of Christianity, it is sad. Somethings about our planet are beyond our control. However, other things only require us to change our behavior and isn't that religions job to help us change?
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 3, 2021 16:17:26 GMT -5
** This ex-2×2 atheist doesn't KNOW what he is talking about! There has always been preachersapostles going in pairs like Jesus and the Holy Spirit in Acts like Peter and John in Acts 3, Paul and Barnabas in Acts 13; Paul and Timothy; Paul and Solar and through down the centuries even to our days! with the workers are still going in pairs like Jesus had sent them Two and two in Matthew 10 and Luke 10. Did they visit Alaska, Hawaii and Sarawak in the 4th century? Jesus said in Acts 1 the gospel starting in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria first then eventually will reach to all Gentiles nations for 2000 years so far to give them opportunity or a chance to accept the message of hope and Salvation. Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 once the gospel has reached to all Gentiles nations then He will come back to reap the harvest and take those belong to Him.
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 16:19:17 GMT -5
Did they visit Alaska, Hawaii and Sarawak in the 4th century? Jesus said in Acts 1 the gospel will starting in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria first then eventually will reach to all Gentiles nations to give them opportunity or chance to accept the message of hope and Salvation. Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 once the gospel has reached to all Gentiles nations then He will come back to reap the harvest and take those belong to Him. So all the non-gentiles are out of luck?
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Post by verna on Jul 3, 2021 16:19:33 GMT -5
I see it as our responsibility to care for the earth and its inhabitants. Very selfish (in my opinion) to think of it as just something to be used rather than nurtured. If your attitude is another one of the “fruits” of Christianity, it is sad. that is the difference between laying up treasure in heaven vs laying up treasure here. which one do you think will last past the end? No that is not the difference. I believe caring for the earth is an extension of love. Your attitude of “it is here for us to use” is that of entitlement which I don’t think is a fruit of the spirit. If God created the world do you not think he/she/it would want us to care for it rather than waiting for “daddy” to come and give us a new one after we destroy the one we already have?
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Post by nathan02 on Jul 3, 2021 16:25:39 GMT -5
Jesus said in Acts 1 the gospel will starting in Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria first then eventually will reach to all Gentiles nations to give them opportunity or chance to accept the message of hope and Salvation. Jesus said in Matthew 24:14 once the gospel has reached to all Gentiles nations then He will come back to reap the harvest and take those belong to Him. So all the non-gentiles are out of luck? ** God and Christ have given MANY Gentiles nations the last 2000 years the chance and opportunity in hearing the gospel and is still going forth today but NOT for very long!
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Post by intelchips on Jul 3, 2021 16:26:41 GMT -5
So all the non-gentiles are out of luck? ** God and Christ have given MANY Gentiles the last 2000 years the chance and opportunity in hearing the gospel and is still doing it today but NOT for very long! Nathan read my question again. I what way did you answer it?
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Post by mrdobalina on Jul 3, 2021 16:26:58 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s asinine. Makes sense you have a personal relationship with God/Jesus and the church is your community/support system if required. Or do you not believe in having a personal relationship with God/Jesus. Some people insist that to have a relationship with their god, one needs to have heard the gospel, told by two homeless people. This is the only way that they will live for ever in eternity. Furthermore to be a good person with all the fruits of the spirit one needs to follow the scriptures. As you can see this is quite an exclusive picture. Now think on this. Preachers were not going out in pairs until William Irvine dreamed up his experiment. How then did the people of Alaska or Hawaii or Sarawak now these fruits of the spirit in the 4th century. Where were the preachers going out in pairs in the 4th century to countries and islands all over the globe. The workers will tell you glibly that their god knows his own. I tell you that when the bible was written by man that the writers did not even know these places. Or of other peoples. They knew nothing beyond their own shores. This is where exclusivity causes the house of cards which is the Abrahamic religions to start toppling. At the same time that man invented the Abrahamic god, there were other men who had never heard of Egypt or Israel or Palestine, writing about their gods. The Hindus and the others for instance. Religion in early times was very regional. Every group of people have had their own explanation for how the sun and the planets and the moons came to be. Not one of them is anywhere near the truth but when people do not know the truth they are comforted by someone telling them a story. Once you realize that the bible is just a story, then you will be able to get on with your life and be a good person without the religious props that so many seem to need. Oh, I nearly forgot. They need them because they believe they are going to live for ever. That is the egotistical bit coming to the fore in their human nature. Quoting this because it may well be the best post on the internet currently.
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