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Post by guest8 on Jun 26, 2021 22:05:14 GMT -5
While I understand & respect that it appears many have had negative experiences in the church. And so left. I had a few moments myself. And I didn't appreciate the coverup of the beginning. But really, there must be things we can appreciate & remember with a little positivity. Or certain people we recall that we liked or meant something to us. Heres hoping.
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Post by verna on Jun 26, 2021 22:08:48 GMT -5
While I understand & respect that it appears many have had negative experiences in the church. And so left. I had a few moments myself. And I didn't appreciate the coverup of the beginning. But really, there must be things we can appreciate & remember with a little positivity. Or certain people we recall that we liked or meant something to us. Heres hoping. I loved it so much. It was all I knew. I loved the workers and loved them coming to our home. I loved living on the convention grounds. I loved the hymns (still do). I loved convention. I had very high hopes that I would love it all my life. It wasn’t to be.
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Post by bluejay on Jun 27, 2021 12:52:01 GMT -5
While I understand & respect that it appears many have had negative experiences in the church. And so left. I had a few moments myself. And I didn't appreciate the coverup of the beginning. But really, there must be things we can appreciate & remember with a little positivity. Or certain people we recall that we liked or meant something to us. Heres hoping. The fellowship was all I knew growing up. So yes, I have some very positive memories. I loved convention for a few reasons. Loved the friendships that carried over from year to year. I loved the "convention singing". It was music to my soul. And I loved beyond reason the "convention hash". If anyone reading this knows the recipe that created this magical dish at the old Silverdale grounds, I beg you to post it here. I also remember some very dear seniors who welcomed me into their homes week after week with smiles and hugs. During my teen years it would have been obvious that I was rebelling against the conformity issues. And yet I never felt judged or rejected by them. It's only been with hindsight that I've fully appreciate the advantage of not having a TV in our home. I became a fluid and avid reader at a very young age. To this day that is a real joy. During the past year or so of quarantine it's been such a pleasure to 'travel' all over the world though the stories I've read. I view ALL of my past as life lessons. Some have been tough to learn, others have led to growth in my capability to forgive. After all, most of us do the best we can in life, with the knowledge we have at that moment in time. When our understanding changes, we have the new knowledge to apply to the next decision we need to make. I'm at peace with my past.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 19:13:29 GMT -5
I loved it so much. It was all I knew. I loved the workers and loved them coming to our home. I loved living on the convention grounds. I loved the hymns (still do). I loved convention. I had very high hopes that I would love it all my life. It wasn’t to be. It can be good to get out a bit, so to speak. I know it helped me. Actually my time "out" helped me appreciate the friends, workers, their testimonies, and lives, more than ever. Their foibles, errors, insights, sincerity, brilliance sometimes, even those I could realize were faking it. To me it was all wonderful. I was watching growth, experience, my life in ways through different lenses. Anyway, good luck to you Verna. Enjoyed reading some of your posts. My only advice here, is don't get caught up in the Nathan bashing. He's a decent guy whatever his peculiar beliefs. Nathan is Nathan, I at least love him for his spirit, and that in spite of the pointed abuse he so often receives.
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Post by nathan02 on Jun 27, 2021 19:30:05 GMT -5
I loved it so much. It was all I knew. I loved the workers and loved them coming to our home. I loved living on the convention grounds. I loved the hymns (still do). I loved convention. I had very high hopes that I would love it all my life. It wasn’t to be. It can be good to get out a bit, so to speak. I know it helped me. Actually my time "out" helped me appreciate the friends, workers, their testimonies, and lives, more than ever. Their foibles, errors, insights, sincerity, brilliance sometimes, even those I could realize were faking it. To me it was all wonderful. I was watching growth, experience, my life in ways through different lenses. Anyway, good luck to you. Enjoyed reading some of your posts. My only advice here, is don't get caught up in the Nathan bashing. He's a decent guy whatever his peculiar beliefs. Nathan is Nathan, I at least love him for his spirit, that in spite of the pointed abuse he so often receives. ** Thanks, my dear old friend for your kind words through the years on here. They Do what they have always done for 20 years on here. I have gotten used to it. The Truth hurts so they just want to lash out on us who are still professing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 19:33:27 GMT -5
The fellowship was all I knew growing up. So yes, I have some very positive memories. I loved convention for a few reasons. Loved the friendships that carried over from year to year. I loved the "convention singing". It was music to my soul. And I loved beyond reason the "convention hash". If anyone reading this knows the recipe that created this magical dish at the old Silverdale grounds, I beg you to post it here. I also remember some very dear seniors who welcomed me into their homes week after week with smiles and hugs. During my teen years it would have been obvious that I was rebelling against the conformity issues. And yet I never felt judged or rejected by them. It's only been with hindsight that I've fully appreciate the advantage of not having a TV in our home. I became a fluid and avid reader at a very young age. To this day that is a real joy. During the past year or so of quarantine it's been such a pleasure to 'travel' all over the world though the stories I've read. I view ALL of my past as life lessons. Some have been tough to learn, others have led to growth in my capability to forgive. After all, most of us do the best we can in life, with the knowledge we have at that moment in time. When our understanding changes, we have the new knowledge to apply to the next decision we need to make. I'm at peace with my past. Wow! BJ! Long time no see! 'course I drop in so seldom here these days. Figures you should answer in this thread, and Thank You, you did. I especially liked your closing line "I'm at peace with my past." and so am I I'm glad for all of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 19:41:08 GMT -5
You're welcome Nathan Sheesh :-) what's going on here??? A convention? BJ, Keith, Nathan ?
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Post by verna on Jun 27, 2021 19:55:50 GMT -5
I loved it so much. It was all I knew. I loved the workers and loved them coming to our home. I loved living on the convention grounds. I loved the hymns (still do). I loved convention. I had very high hopes that I would love it all my life. It wasn’t to be. It can be good to get out a bit, so to speak. I know it helped me. Actually my time "out" helped me appreciate the friends, workers, their testimonies, and lives, more than ever. Their foibles, errors, insights, sincerity, brilliance sometimes, even those I could realize were faking it. To me it was all wonderful. I was watching growth, experience, my life in ways through different lenses. Anyway, good luck to you Verna. Enjoyed reading some of your posts. My only advice here, is don't get caught up in the Nathan bashing. He's a decent guy whatever his peculiar beliefs. Nathan is Nathan, I at least love him for his spirit, and that in spite of the pointed abuse he so often receives. I’ve been out for 40 years. Can’t conceive of ever returning but like they say “never say never”.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 20:32:23 GMT -5
Well fwiw, I've been out for a few yrs myself. However I left on good and open ended terms, in honesty and with appreciation. It's Christianity really that has comes up far short for me. But in any case, I will always value the time I've had among the friends and workers in fellowship. I thank them. Personally, I'm not the listen to a good speaker every week kind of guy. Interesting, helpful, and entertaining as that can be. The participatory nature of the F&W's is for me; (in spite of horrible stage fright I suffered) and I think that way appealed too to the kind of people who were drawn to this fellowship early on.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jun 27, 2021 21:31:54 GMT -5
Well fwiw, I've been out for a few yrs myself. However I left on good and open ended terms, in honesty and with appreciation. It's Christianity really that has comes up far short for me. But in any case, I will always value the time I've had among the friends and workers in fellowship. I thank them. Personally, I'm not the listen to a good speaker every week kind of guy. Interesting, helpful, and entertaining as that can be. The participatory nature of the F&W's is for me; (in spite of horrible stage fright I suffered) and I think that way appealed too to the kind of people who were drawn to this fellowship early on. Surprised that you're an ex now. We had some interesting discussions years ago.
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Post by nathan02 on Jun 27, 2021 21:53:35 GMT -5
You're welcome Nathan Sheesh :-) what's going on here??? A convention? BJ, Keith, Nathan ? Haha.,. Yes, this is 20 years TMB convention.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 29, 2021 4:10:01 GMT -5
Bringing it back to ‘things to appreciate’. One thing I recall and appreciated was when workers Sheena E and Barb Mc came to stay at my home. ’ Some viewed Sheena staunch but I liked her. She was good to me. I had some interesting chats. She also put a Wednesday night mtg in our home. My Dad was not professing but made them most welcome. I would of attended her funeral but was not aware she had died. I can’t say that I knew she’d gone either. She had been in our area two or three times from what I can recall. It was funny when the Scottish pop singer of the same sounding name was doing the charts, with 9 to 5!
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Post by mountain on Jun 29, 2021 4:49:58 GMT -5
While I understand & respect that it appears many have had negative experiences in the church. And so left. I had a few moments myself. And I didn't appreciate the coverup of the beginning. But really, there must be things we can appreciate & remember with a little positivity. Or certain people we recall that we liked or meant something to us. Heres hoping. Unfortunately my exposure to the sect encouraged social isolation from those outside the fold. The practice of shooting their wounded was a callous response to faithful service and obedience.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 29, 2021 7:29:31 GMT -5
The saying "shooting their wounded" certainly sums up part of their doctrine. They cannot afford to have people telling the truth about them. (This applies to all religion). Therefore the tactic is to be as derogatory as possible about the leaver so that the stayers are beguiled into thinking ill of the leaver. The word beguile is closely linked to gullible.
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Post by blacksheep on Jun 29, 2021 11:17:35 GMT -5
What I have come to appreciate, is the fact that my very existence resulted from both of my parents' involvement with the Worker's Way. My parents come from different regions of the US, and would never have come in contact with each other had it not been for their Meetings attendance. I now imagine William Irvine sitting in his study contemplating the feasibility of going out two and two...he could have just as easy said to himself "Nah, won't work", and then POOF!,there'd be no me.
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Post by mountain on Jun 29, 2021 11:58:18 GMT -5
What I have come to appreciate, is the fact that my very existence resulted from both of my parents' involvement with the Worker's Way. My parents come from different regions of the US, and would never have come in contact with each other had it not been for their Meetings attendance. I now imagine William Irvine sitting in his study contemplating the feasibility of going out two and two...he could have just as easy said to himself "Nah, won't work", and then POOF!,there'd be no me. We all have a story to tell of this sort. If Hitler hadn't invaded Poland there would be no me. No Hitler = no Mountain.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 29, 2021 12:46:25 GMT -5
What I have come to appreciate, is the fact that my very existence resulted from both of my parents' involvement with the Worker's Way. My parents come from different regions of the US, and would never have come in contact with each other had it not been for their Meetings attendance. I now imagine William Irvine sitting in his study contemplating the feasibility of going out two and two...he could have just as easy said to himself "Nah, won't work", and then POOF!,there'd be no me. We all have a story to tell of this sort. If Hitler hadn't invaded Poland there would be no me. No Hitler = no Mountain. True, and if my father had not left the work when he did and not have married my mother instead of another woman, -I would not have existed either.
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Post by shushy on Jun 29, 2021 13:45:31 GMT -5
We all have a story to tell of this sort. If Hitler hadn't invaded Poland there would be no me. No Hitler = no Mountain. True, and if my father had not left the work when he did and not have married my mother instead of another woman, -I would not have existed either.You were meant to be here Keep safe
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 29, 2021 14:33:01 GMT -5
True, and if my father had not left the work when he did and not have married my mother instead of another woman, -I would not have existed either. You were meant to be here Keep safe No, We only like to think that because it makes us feel special.
Had my father married another young woman that went to the same meeting where my mother also went, -I would have just been a different person.
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Post by shushy on Jun 30, 2021 2:32:09 GMT -5
You were meant to be here Keep safe No, We only like to think that because it makes us feel special.
Had my father married another young woman that went to the same meeting where my mother also went, -I would have just been a different person. \It will be proven you were meant to be here at this time in history just like the rest of us
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Post by Annan on Jun 30, 2021 5:56:53 GMT -5
No, We only like to think that because it makes us feel special.
Had my father married another young woman that went to the same meeting where my mother also went, -I would have just been a different person. \It will be proven you were meant to be here at this time in history just like the rest of us Bull$hit. We are each here because our parents had sex and the egg and sperm united at an exact moment. A second later or a different sperm, and no you. It's a game of chance.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jun 30, 2021 6:03:37 GMT -5
\It will be proven you were meant to be here at this time in history just like the rest of us Bull$hit. We are each here because our parents had sex and the egg and sperm united at an exact moment. A second later or a different sperm, and no you. It's a game of chance. And to think that of some on here, they were the fastest!
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Post by chuck on Jun 30, 2021 7:31:07 GMT -5
I loved it so much. It was all I knew. I loved the workers and loved them coming to our home. I loved living on the convention grounds. I loved the hymns (still do). I loved convention. I had very high hopes that I would love it all my life. It wasn’t to be. It can be good to get out a bit, so to speak. I know it helped me. Actually my time "out" helped me appreciate the friends, workers, their testimonies, and lives, more than ever. Their foibles, errors, insights, sincerity, brilliance sometimes, even those I could realize were faking it. To me it was all wonderful. I was watching growth, experience, my life in ways through different lenses. Anyway, good luck to you Verna. Enjoyed reading some of your posts. My only advice here, is don't get caught up in the Nathan bashing. He's a decent guy whatever his peculiar beliefs. Nathan is Nathan, I at least love him for his spirit, and that in spite of the pointed abuse he so often receives. I dont think or hope anyone is attacking Nathan personally, for me its the religious character he displays, or the 2x2ism that is being held to the fire, I don't doubt his sincerity and care for others, its the system behind it that is putting these attributes to waste in many instances imho. You may call it abuse which I don't think is accurate, on the flip side would you recognise the real abuse the system he pushes has enacted on many many minds and bodies?.
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Post by chuck on Jun 30, 2021 7:33:05 GMT -5
While I understand & respect that it appears many have had negative experiences in the church. And so left. I had a few moments myself. And I didn't appreciate the coverup of the beginning. But really, there must be things we can appreciate & remember with a little positivity. Or certain people we recall that we liked or meant something to us. Heres hoping. Friends and family, things that actually matter.......
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Post by shushy on Jun 30, 2021 8:54:30 GMT -5
\It will be proven you were meant to be here at this time in history just like the rest of us Bull$hit. We are each here because our parents had sex and the egg and sperm united at an exact moment. A second later or a different sperm, and no you. It's a game of chance. You don't understand the greater scheme of things In the days ahead you will discover much that you did not know We have been lied too about everything
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Post by fixit on Jun 30, 2021 14:02:46 GMT -5
Bull$hit. We are each here because our parents had sex and the egg and sperm united at an exact moment. A second later or a different sperm, and no you. It's a game of chance. You don't understand the greater scheme of things In the days ahead you will discover much that you did not know We have been lied too about everything Yes, you have been lied to about everything Shushy. I hope you have as soft a landing as possible.
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Post by shushy on Jun 30, 2021 14:05:52 GMT -5
You don't understand the greater scheme of things In the days ahead you will discover much that you did not know We have been lied too about everything Yes, you have been lied to about everything Shushy. I hope you have as soft a landing as possible. Fixit you should see all the arrests taking place right now William Barr, Hollywood, CIA there is loads of truth coming out All these people are not barmy!! Not to mention Arizona
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Post by fixit on Jun 30, 2021 14:10:10 GMT -5
Yes, you have been lied to about everything Shushy. I hope you have as soft a landing as possible. Fixit you should see all the arrests taking place right now William Barr, Hollywood, CIA there is loads of truth coming out All these people are not barmy!! Not to mention Arizona You're being lied to Shushy.
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