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Post by nathan02 on May 28, 2021 22:43:47 GMT -5
*** They need to update Noah's Ark has been found in 2012. When I get home I will post the video of Noah's Ark from the inside again! Who and how would anyone carried 450 feet long Ark and 75 feet wide to Mt. Ararat made of gofer woods which don't exist today. Don't bother to post any more videos of Noah's Ark, nathan. No one did "carry" an ark up the mountain, nathan!
It will be just one more faux video created by just one more shyster created for people who just can't give up their belief in what was mythical flood. ** The answer is Very simple! God placed Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat so in 2012 the Chinese explorers could find and prove to the world that world wide flood and the Ark were NOT a myth like the atheists want to believe it.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2021 22:43:50 GMT -5
So you have been up on Ararat and seen the ark? *** No, but I have posted the video of the Chinese explorers who entered Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat many times. They brought back many evidences, pictures from inside the Ark. nathan has posted the video from YouTube so it has to be true intelchips !!!
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2021 22:46:08 GMT -5
The self appointed "watchmen" and the self appointed "god", think that they are above the law of the land and moral law @redback. After all they can never be wrong and know way more than any of us ...! They have had a special "revelation" from God. You have to remember nathan knows way more than any of the Workers, he has superior knowledge...just ask him ! As for @wally the "watchmen" he should be careful with all his watching others that he doesn't fall off the wall himself ! *** I can't take any of the credit but it's God and Christ who gave me the understanding and Revelation. I have been studying these things nearly 45 years. Jesus said Ask and it shall given you; Seek and you shall find; Knock and it shall be opened unto you. Well it seems God has given others a different "revelation" nathan. Surely if the 2x2s are the only right way the Workers would have the right/same revelation as you ? Or do you think you are "extra special" ?
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Post by nathan02 on May 28, 2021 22:48:43 GMT -5
*** No, but I have posted the video of the Chinese explorers who entered Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat many times. They brought back many evidences, pictures from inside the Ark. nathan has posted the video from YouTube so it has to be true intelchips !!! *** No, there is a great artical and a documentary movie about the Chinese explorers who found the Ark on Mt. Ararat in 2012.
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Post by nathan02 on May 28, 2021 22:52:14 GMT -5
*** I can't take any of the credit but it's God and Christ who gave me the understanding and Revelation. I have been studying these things nearly 45 years. Jesus said Ask and it shall given you; Seek and you shall find; Knock and it shall be opened unto you. Well it seems God has given others a different "revelation" nathan. Surely if the 2x2s are the only right way the Workers would have the right/same revelation as you ? Or do you think you are "extra special" ? *** They will eventually just like God revealed it to me. If they take the time to study for themselves. God wants them to do some legs work on their parts too.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 22:52:18 GMT -5
** You are a gullible skeptic. The world wide flood was foretold by God in the days of Enoch, who was the great grand father of Noah. The world wide flood came in the days of Noah. The water arose and carried the Ark from the plain and it rested on Mt. Ararat 1000s feet above the ground. How do you think the Ark get up from the ground to 1000s feet upto Mt. Ararat? If it wasn't a world wide flood. So you have been up on Ararat and seen the ark? conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 28, 2021 22:56:07 GMT -5
So you have been up on Ararat and seen the ark? conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark? Not the good answer, wally.
Just another of your evasion tactics again.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2021 22:59:48 GMT -5
So you have been up on Ararat and seen the ark? conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark? Its up to nathan to prove its there @wally ...not the other way around !!!
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2021 23:03:40 GMT -5
Well it seems God has given others a different "revelation" nathan. Surely if the 2x2s are the only right way the Workers would have the right/same revelation as you ? Or do you think you are "extra special" ? *** They will eventually just like God revealed it to me. If they take the time to study for themselves. God wants them to do some legs work on their parts too. Oh, so you think you are "extra special" nathan ? You are so full of your own importance, your arrogance is shining through !
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Post by nathan02 on May 28, 2021 23:05:44 GMT -5
So you have been up on Ararat and seen the ark? conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark? ** Wally , he takes the words of the atheists who had Not been to Ararat and NOT seeing the Ark and he said that is good enough for him and all of the atheists.
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Post by nathan02 on May 28, 2021 23:08:21 GMT -5
conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark? Its up to nathan to prove its there @wally ...not the other way around !!! ** I showed to you atheists so MANY TIMES already! The Ark has been found so you atheists the is NO God is a false belief.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 23:10:24 GMT -5
conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark? Not the good answer, wally.
Just another of your evasion tactics again.its not an answer its a question...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 23:11:29 GMT -5
conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark? Its up to nathan to prove its there @wally ...not the other way around !!! that is not how life works....
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2021 23:14:09 GMT -5
Its up to nathan to prove its there @wally ...not the other way around !!! ** I showed it to you atheists so MANY TIMES already! The Ark has been found so you atheists the is NO God is a false belief. Just because you shared a video from YouTube does NOT prove it has been found nathan !! Are you really that gullible !
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 28, 2021 23:15:11 GMT -5
As they say, it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable. Unfortunately, politicians in the highest offices have in recent years set a tone of being disagreeable, and it seems by their example, their followers believe they have been given license to be disagreeable as well. And no political party has a monopoly on such behaviour. It's unfortunate that such a tone has made its way into this forum. I find it hard not to get sucked in and be disagreeable myself, and I admit to having lost that battle on too many occasions. I have come to believe that the only way to temper it is to not engage--and I've lost that struggle all to often as well. I find it difficult to answer vitriol without vitriol. I'm going to make a concerted effort to try, starting now. How? By closing the TMB tab on my browser, and wean myself off the urge to read every "new" post that appears. Good night. Gene, I heartily agree with you and I have been disappointed with myself many times on here. Good luck. If you are ever down under look us up.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 28, 2021 23:18:06 GMT -5
conversely, have you been up on Ararat and seen there is no ark? ** Wally , he takes the words of the atheists who had Not been to Ararat and NOT seeing the Ark and he said that is good enough for him and all of the atheists. And you take the word of someone who has put a video on YouTube nathan ! You stated it as a fact so prove it...
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Post by dmmichgood on May 28, 2021 23:25:12 GMT -5
Don't bother to post any more videos of Noah's Ark, nathan. No one did "carry" an ark up the mountain, nathan!
It will be just one more faux video created by just one more shyster created for people who just can't give up their belief in what was mythical flood. ** The answer is Very simple! God placed Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat so in 2012 the Chinese explorers could find and prove to the world that world wide flood and the Ark were NOT a myth like the atheists want to believe it. That is the story line in the bible , nathan.
But that is not an answer.
You claim to produce proof it really happened as the biblical story states but there is no evidence ever given yet as there is any ark on Mt, Ararat.
Many people have tried to prove it but they have never done so yet.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 28, 2021 23:29:12 GMT -5
Not the good answer, wally.
Just another of your evasion tactics again. its not an answer its a question... Your "question" was a tactic to not have to answer.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 28, 2021 23:32:11 GMT -5
As they say, it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable. Unfortunately, politicians in the highest offices have in recent years set a tone of being disagreeable, and it seems by their example, their followers believe they have been given license to be disagreeable as well. And no political party has a monopoly on such behaviour. It's unfortunate that such a tone has made its way into this forum. I find it hard not to get sucked in and be disagreeable myself, and I admit to having lost that battle on too many occasions. I have come to believe that the only way to temper it is to not engage--and I've lost that struggle all to often as well. I find it difficult to answer vitriol without vitriol. I'm going to make a concerted effort to try, starting now. How? By closing the TMB tab on my browser, and wean myself off the urge to read every "new" post that appears. Good night. Good for you Gene, I wish I had that fortitude.
Maybe I should at least try to do the same.
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Post by nathan on May 28, 2021 23:40:05 GMT -5
Its up to nathan to prove its there @wally ...not the other way around !!! ** I showed to you atheists so MANY TIMES already! The Ark has been found so you atheists the is NO God is a false belief. The raiders of Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat in 2009. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq_Ar33DWTw&ab_channel=Channel10Noah's Ark Ministries International
Exhibit on the search for Noah's Ark at the Noah's Ark theme park in Hong Kong. In 2004, Media Evangelism founder Andrew Yuen Man-fai and pastor Boaz Li Chi-kwong announced the discovery of parts of Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat. They reported that their team found a large wooden structure at an elevation of 4,200 metres (13,800 ft) during their fourth trip to the mountain.[145] According to an exhibit at Hong Kong's Noah's Ark theme park, the search team had been exploring Ararat as Noah's Ark Ministries International since 2003.[146] Yuen and Li had no evidence of their claim beyond blurred images, as they said a "mysterious force" disrupted their video footage.[145] In 2005, Media Evangelism released a documentary, The Days of Noah, based on the NAMI expedition.[147] According to NAMI's website, Turkish mountaineer Ahmet Ertuğrul (nicknamed "Paraşut") submitted a sample of petrified wood to NAMI, which he claimed to have obtained in August 2006 from a second wooden structure, located 4,000 metres (13,000 ft) up Mount Ararat. NAMI claimed that an expedition was sent in February 2007, which found that the 2004 site had collapsed due to an earthquake, and was prevented from examining the 2006 site due to weather conditions.[148] An October 2007 press conference announced that a follow-up mission in August successfully recovered more petrified wood from the site Ertuğrul reported.[148][149] In a press conference on 25 April 2010, NAMI announced that an October 2009 expedition had excavated and filmed the wood structure discovered by Ertuğrul.[150][151][152][153] Although NAMI's website claimed Ertuğrul discovered the site in August 2006, he stated at the press conference that he learned of it in June 2008.[148][153] The wooden structure reported by Yuen and Li in 2004 was not addressed.[153] According to NAMI, specimens from the site were carbon-dated to 4800 BP.[152][154] Footage of the interior of the structure was released on NAMI's YouTube account.[155] NAMI said that Turkey would submit the location for designation as a World Heritage Site; however, when reached for comment a spokesperson for UNESCO said that the organization had not received such a request.[151] The immediate response to the announcement was largely skeptical.[156][157] Mainstream scientists objected to the lack of professional archaeologists involved with the research, and the decision to reveal the findings via a media event rather than publishing a peer-reviewed study.[150][158] Creationists also expressed concern about the lack of data available for independent corroboration.[159] Andrew A. Snelling later said that NAMI supplied him with their radiocarbon dating report, which showed that only one test of one sample had produced the publicized result of 4800 BP. Moreover, Snelling rejected the 4800 BP result as evidence for Noah's Ark, based on creationist beliefs about carbon-14 levels in antediluvian wood.[160] Turkey's Ministry of Culture and Tourism expressed doubt that NAMI secured permission to conduct their expeditions, and began an investigation as to how NAMI transported its wood samples from Turkey to China.[161][162] Within days of the announcement, Randall Price, who had consulted with NAMI in 2008, came forward with allegations that Ertuğrul hired Kurdish workers to construct the site using wood from an old structure near the Black Sea.[163][164][165][166] NAMI issued a statement saying that its relationship with Price ended in October 2008, and he was therefore unfamiliar with findings made after that time.[167] Defending NAMI's claims, team members argued that it would not be possible to haul enough materials up Mount Ararat to build the structure that they had described.[161] In rebuttal, Price and his colleague Don Patton cited the use of heavy equipment in other Ararat expeditions, as well as a 2007 publicity stunt in which Greenpeace built a 10-metre (33 ft) replica of Noah's Ark on the mountain.[168]:27–28[169] After promoting the release of the 2011 film The Days of Noah 2: Apocalypse, the NAMI website NoahsArkSearch.net was no longer updated.[170][171] Support for NAMI's claims was later taken up by Norman Geisler, who invited Ertuğrul to speak at an apologetics conference organized by Southern Evangelical Seminary in October 2015.[171][172][173][174] Joel Klenck, formerly associated with NAMI, has continued to promote NAMI's claims as recently as December 2020.[175] NAMI and Ertuğrul never disclosed the location of the site they reported, although Price and Patton claimed in 2010 to have independently located it.[175][168]:18–19 Donald Mackenzie, a self-styled missinary who had searched for Noah's Ark for nearly a decade, traveled to Ararat in 2010 hoping to find Ertuğrul's site on his own. Mackenzie contacted his family from the mountain in September, but was never heard from again. His abandoned campsite was later found, but the circumstances of his disappearance remain unknown.[176][177] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searches_for_Noah%27s_Ark
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Post by Pragmatic on May 28, 2021 23:50:54 GMT -5
Thanks Redback. While we may have different beliefs, I enjoy your posts, and as I’ve said before, it would be good share a quiet one with you, as you Aussies say. I am sure there would be many laughs as time went on!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 29, 2021 0:02:17 GMT -5
That one is old claim but hasn't ever been verified.
Searches for Noah's Ark From Wikipedia, Searches for Noah's Ark have been reported since antiquity, as ancient scholars sought to affirm the historicity of the Genesis flood narrative by citing accounts of relics recovered from the Ark With the emergence of biblical archaeology in the 19th century, the potential of a formal search attracted interest in alleged discoveries and hoaxes. By the 1940s, expeditions were being organized to follow up on these apparent leads. This modern search movement has been informally called "arkeology." In 2020, the Institute for Creation Research* acknowledged that, despite many expeditions, Noah's Ark had not been found and is unlikely to be found. Many of the supposed findings and methods used in the search are regarded as pseudoscience and pseudoarchaeology by geologists and archaeologists. *Please note that even the "Institute for Creation Research acknowledged that, despite many expeditions, Noah's Ark had not been found and is unlikely to be found."
...and if anyone would try to prove it, it would be that group and even they won't go out on that limb!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 0:06:19 GMT -5
** The answer is Very simple! God placed Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat so in 2012 the Chinese explorers could find and prove to the world that world wide flood and the Ark were NOT a myth like the atheists want to believe it. That is the story line in the bible , nathan.
But that is not an answer.
You claim to produce proof it really happened as the biblical story states but there is no evidence ever given yet as there is any ark on Mt, Ararat.
Many people have tried to prove it but they have never done so yet.about a 1/4 of these have said they actually found the ark on ararat Dr. Friedrich Parrot (1829) Prince John Joseph Nouri (1887) <<<< Lieutenant Roskovitsky (1916) <<<< Ed Davis (1943) <<<< Fernand Navarra (1955) Eryl Cummings (1970s) <<<< Ray Anderson (1970s) Dr. John Morris and ICR (1972) Ron Wyatt and the Durupinar Site (1977) <<<< different site than the traditional one Col. James Irwin (1982) Bill Crouse (1984) Robert Cornuke (1987) Chuck Aaron (1987) Don Shockey (1989) Daniel McGivern (2004) www.nwcreation.net/noahsightings.html <<<no political history, no fact checking history then there was the 2010ish chinese expedition <<<<
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 0:07:49 GMT -5
its not an answer its a question... Your "question" was a tactic to not have to answer.if the premise and counter claim is there is no ark on ararat, time to do some hiking...
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Post by nathan on May 29, 2021 0:14:38 GMT -5
That is the story line in the bible , nathan.
But that is not an answer.
You claim to produce proof it really happened as the biblical story states but there is no evidence ever given yet as there is any ark on Mt, Ararat.
Many people have tried to prove it but they have never done so yet. about a 1/4 of these have said they actually found the ark on ararat Dr. Friedrich Parrot (1829) Prince John Joseph Nouri (1887) <<<< Lieutenant Roskovitsky (1916) <<<< Ed Davis (1943) <<<< Fernand Navarra (1955) Eryl Cummings (1970s) <<<< Ray Anderson (1970s) Dr. John Morris and ICR (1972) Ron Wyatt and the Durupinar Site (1977) <<<< different site than the traditional one Col. James Irwin (1982) Bill Crouse (1984) Robert Cornuke (1987) Chuck Aaron (1987) Don Shockey (1989) Daniel McGivern (2004) www.nwcreation.net/noahsightings.html <<<no political history, no fact checking history then there was the 2010ish chinese expedition <<<< Thanks, for the site and all the men have seen the Ark through the years... Awesome.
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Post by nathan on May 29, 2021 0:17:37 GMT -5
Your "question" was a tactic to not have to answer.if the premise and counter claim is there is no ark on ararat, time to do some hiking... They probably climb to the spot on Ararat, where they see no Noah's Ark! they say "See, No ARK! We TOLD Nathan and Wally! the truth." Yea, you see NO, Ark because you look at the WRONG location.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 29, 2021 0:25:47 GMT -5
That is the story line in the bible , nathan.
But that is not an answer.
You claim to produce proof it really happened as the biblical story states but there is no evidence ever given yet as there is any ark on Mt, Ararat.
Many people have tried to prove it but they have never done so yet. about a 1/4 of these have said they actually found the ark on ararat Dr. Friedrich Parrot (1829) Prince John Joseph Nouri (1887) <<<< Lieutenant Roskovitsky (1916) <<<< Ed Davis (1943) <<<< Fernand Navarra (1955) Eryl Cummings (1970s) <<<< Ray Anderson (1970s) Dr. John Morris and ICR (1972) Ron Wyatt and the Durupinar Site (1977) <<<< different site than the traditional one Col. James Irwin (1982) Bill Crouse (1984) Robert Cornuke (1987) Chuck Aaron (1987) Don Shockey (1989) Daniel McGivern (2004) www.nwcreation.net/noahsightings.html <<<no political history, no fact checking history then there was the 2010ish chinese expedition <<<< It doesn't matter HOW many people say they have seen the ark; it is how many has ever proved it is there!
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Post by fixit on May 29, 2021 0:31:35 GMT -5
No Human has the right to tell another person they are going to Hell. It is unconscionable. They are not God, they should not pretend to be. Verbal abuse is a crime and also unconscionable. Nobody should have to put up with that for stating their point of view on a forum that is supposed to be open to everybody no matter what their religious or non-religious persuasion is. We should all try to make the forum work the way it is supposed to. Nobody should try to dominate, it should be free expression without abuse or vitriol. its called being the watchman on the wall. you know this. there are only 2 destinations in the Christian world we can't talk about one without talking about the other... There's a better way... The Christ within.
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