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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 14:07:35 GMT -5
youtu.be/cs8Qae0QgGwThe revelation that the media actively didn't investigate Hunter Biden is of course obvious.. President Joe Biden.... destroying native sacred sites for copper... youtu.be/I1X721A40lEAnd you pays your money and you takes your choice.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 25, 2021 15:17:55 GMT -5
youtu.be/cs8Qae0QgGwThe revelation that the media actively didn't investigate Hunter Biden is of course obvious.. It's not the responsibility of the accused to prove the crime. It was the responsibility of the Trump team to provide the proof. They did indeed investigate, and they gave a Bill Barr-style report on the case -- as Wally would say, containing enough grains of truth that the lie was believed. And for the center-claiming idealists -- here's the detailed media report. Toobin, Jeffrey, "Fraud Guaranteed", True Crimes and Misdemeanors, Doubleday, New York, 2020. PP.290-297
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 16:04:04 GMT -5
youtu.be/cs8Qae0QgGwThe revelation that the media actively didn't investigate Hunter Biden is of course obvious.. It's not the responsibility of the accused to prove the crime. It was the responsibility of the Trump team to provide the proof. They did indeed investigate, and they gave a Bill Barr-style report on the case -- as Wally would say, containing enough grains of truth that the lie was believed. And for the center-claiming idealists -- here's the detailed media report. Toobin, Jeffrey, "Fraud Guaranteed", True Crimes and Misdemeanors, Doubleday, New York, 2020. PP.290-297 It's the responsibility of the media to uncover the truth, and actively investigate potential compromises concerning the potential head of state. They enthusiastically took up the challenge with Trump, painting him guilty of Russian collusion for the better part of 3 years with the result being a massive goose egg. At the very least, the notion that the future president's son got 50K a month from a foreign company for doing absolutely nothing OUGHT to be slightly concerning. Frankly, the media are collectively a sham.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 16:23:44 GMT -5
I don't know what fresh horrors would've been cooked up against him had he won again, but I do know that the following wouldn't have happened if Trump was still in office... A. Women and Children in droves being smuggled through Mexico by the cartel and in many cases abandoned, thrown over the wall and/or molested, raped and killed. I know things are bad in their countries, but Biden's immigration policy directly increased the problems. The Cartels say, "Gracias amigo!"
B. Gas prices (and in turn everything else) inflating due to canceling Keystone. It's sad to watch the interviews with oil workers who had been relying on the project. One said, "We took Joe at his word - looked for these green jobs, but there aren't any".
(C, D - very likely wouldn't have happened)
C. Colorado mass shooting
D. The Hamas missle attack on Israel
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Post by BobWilliston on May 25, 2021 23:11:04 GMT -5
It's not the responsibility of the accused to prove the crime. It was the responsibility of the Trump team to provide the proof. They did indeed investigate, and they gave a Bill Barr-style report on the case -- as Wally would say, containing enough grains of truth that the lie was believed. And for the center-claiming idealists -- here's the detailed media report. Toobin, Jeffrey, "Fraud Guaranteed", True Crimes and Misdemeanors, Doubleday, New York, 2020. PP.290-297 It's the responsibility of the media to uncover the truth, and actively investigate potential compromises concerning the potential head of state. They enthusiastically took up the challenge with Trump, painting him guilty of Russian collusion for the better part of 3 years with the result being a massive goose egg. At the very least, the notion that the future president's son got 50K a month from a foreign company for doing absolutely nothing OUGHT to be slightly concerning. Frankly, the media are collectively a sham. You're a modern Republican. First the media didn't investigate. Then, when they did investigate, they lied about it. Gottcha. I offered you the full account of the GOP (or should I say the Trump team) findings, just in case you want to know what THEY found.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 13:30:32 GMT -5
It's the responsibility of the media to uncover the truth, and actively investigate potential compromises concerning the potential head of state. They enthusiastically took up the challenge with Trump, painting him guilty of Russian collusion for the better part of 3 years with the result being a massive goose egg. At the very least, the notion that the future president's son got 50K a month from a foreign company for doing absolutely nothing OUGHT to be slightly concerning. Frankly, the media are collectively a sham. You're a modern Republican. First the media didn't investigate. Then, when they did investigate, they lied about it. Gottcha. I offered you the full account of the GOP (or should I say the Trump team) findings, just in case you want to know what THEY found. I'm an odd republican who likes Bernie Sanders... Truth is, I'm neither. I voted McCain ('08) Obama ('12), and No vote ('16 & '20). If the republicans have a decent candidate, I'll vote for them. If the democrats do, I'll vote for them. This last election, I couldn't stomach any more Trump, nor could I endorse a candidate who obviously was losing it and was brought out of retirement to run as a sacrificial lamb. If the candidate in 2020 had been the Joe Biden circa 2008, I would've voted for him over Trump. Are you really prepared to believe that if the tables were turned, and it was Trump Jr.'s laptop, the media would've covered it the same way that they did(n't) Biden? Can many Americans name the person that Biden actually did grab by the p****? But we all know that Trump used the phrase. I'm not saying the media is always untruthful, but they collectively along with social media are able to control the narrative. As someone who is neither republican nor democrat, this was patently obvious over the last 4 years. How many Americans do you think know Israel signed 4 diplomatic treaties with majority Arab countries, and how many could possibly name them? ( UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan) And how many Americans think that Trump said to inject bleach into their arms to cure COVID? (he didn't, saying something only marginally less ignorant) How many "you ain't black if you don't know to vote for Biden" black voters knew that under the Trump white house, Black unemployment dropped to the lowest level in recorded history? How many Americans knew Trump said any of these things - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc )? And yet, if he doesn't denounce white supremacy with every breath of every sentence, he's labeled a 'racist'. Total BS. A jerk-wad yes, a racists he's not.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2021 13:42:23 GMT -5
You're a modern Republican. First the media didn't investigate. Then, when they did investigate, they lied about it. Gottcha. I offered you the full account of the GOP (or should I say the Trump team) findings, just in case you want to know what THEY found. I'm an odd republican who likes Bernie Sanders... Truth is, I'm neither. I voted McCain ('08) Obama ('12), and No vote ('16 & '20). If the republicans have a decent candidate, I'll vote for them. If the democrats do, I'll vote for them. This last election, I couldn't stomach any more Trump, nor could I endorse a candidate who obviously was losing it and was brought out of retirement to run as a sacrificial lamb. If the candidate in 2020 had been the Joe Biden circa 2008, I would've voted for him over Trump. Are you really prepared to believe that if the tables were turned, and it was Trump Jr.'s laptop, the media would've covered it the same way that they did(n't) Biden? Can many Americans name the person that Biden actually did grab by the p****? But we all know that Trump used the phrase. I'm not saying the media is always untruthful, but they collectively along with social media are able to control the narrative. As someone who is neither republican nor democrat, this was patently obvious over the last 4 years. How many Americans do you think know Israel signed 4 diplomatic treaties with majority Arab countries, and how many could possibly name them? ( UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan) And how many Americans think that Trump said to inject bleach into their arms to cure COVID? (he didn't, saying something only marginally less ignorant) How many "you ain't black if you don't know to vote for Biden" black voters knew that under the Trump white house, Black unemployment dropped to the lowest level in recorded history? How many Americans knew Trump said any of these things - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc )? And yet, if he doesn't denounce white supremacy with every breath of every sentence, he's labeled a 'racist'. Total BS. A jerk-wad yes, a racists he's not. He's a classic racist, American style. As for the Hunter Biden situation, are you so up-Trump's-BH that you can't believe Trump's super-loyal AG Barr when he said there was no case to be made about Hunter Biden? On that matter, you don't need to trust the media -- take Barr's word for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 14:02:29 GMT -5
I'm an odd republican who likes Bernie Sanders... Truth is, I'm neither. I voted McCain ('08) Obama ('12), and No vote ('16 & '20). If the republicans have a decent candidate, I'll vote for them. If the democrats do, I'll vote for them. This last election, I couldn't stomach any more Trump, nor could I endorse a candidate who obviously was losing it and was brought out of retirement to run as a sacrificial lamb. If the candidate in 2020 had been the Joe Biden circa 2008, I would've voted for him over Trump. Are you really prepared to believe that if the tables were turned, and it was Trump Jr.'s laptop, the media would've covered it the same way that they did(n't) Biden? Can many Americans name the person that Biden actually did grab by the p****? But we all know that Trump used the phrase. I'm not saying the media is always untruthful, but they collectively along with social media are able to control the narrative. As someone who is neither republican nor democrat, this was patently obvious over the last 4 years. How many Americans do you think know Israel signed 4 diplomatic treaties with majority Arab countries, and how many could possibly name them? ( UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan) And how many Americans think that Trump said to inject bleach into their arms to cure COVID? (he didn't, saying something only marginally less ignorant) How many "you ain't black if you don't know to vote for Biden" black voters knew that under the Trump white house, Black unemployment dropped to the lowest level in recorded history? How many Americans knew Trump said any of these things - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc )? And yet, if he doesn't denounce white supremacy with every breath of every sentence, he's labeled a 'racist'. Total BS. A jerk-wad yes, a racists he's not. He's a classic racist, American style. As for the Hunter Biden situation, are you so up-Trump's-BH that you can't believe Trump's super-loyal AG Barr when he said there was no case to be made about Hunter Biden? On that matter, you don't need to trust the media -- take Barr's word for it. After all the times he has disavowed White supremacy? I'll grant you that if you are white in this country, you're automatically assumed to be a racist, but I don't know if a racists picks WWE star Bobby Lashley to represent him in the ring... Racists would typically not embrace dominant black men in their profession, no? The DOJ dropped the Biden laptop investigation (despite the fact that it was recently authenticated and some of the images from it were even published...but nothing to see here...time to move on...), but they are currently investigating his taxes for possible money laundering. Something he and Trump have in common. Are we assuming Biden and Trump are innocent until proven guilty, guilty until proven innocent, or do we mix and match based on our political biases? When I google "Trump tax investigation", I get three news stories in the past day, top of screen. When I google "Biden tax investigation", the first result is a fact-check page, and the next 10 results or so are dated from December, February, and one from March.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2021 14:27:56 GMT -5
He's a classic racist, American style. As for the Hunter Biden situation, are you so up-Trump's-BH that you can't believe Trump's super-loyal AG Barr when he said there was no case to be made about Hunter Biden? On that matter, you don't need to trust the media -- take Barr's word for it. After all the times he has disavowed White supremacy? Don't be so stupid -- he's a consummate liar. Only a white racist thinks that. The rest of the whites recognize that symptom of racism. Majority population racists are equally fanatical capitalists -- there is money to be made and entertainment to be had by keeping a stable of minority curiosities. Why do you think Hitler spared and pampered brilliant Jewish entertainers in the Third Reich. Ask any black American entertainer if they think they are treated equally with Whites. Using someone is not embracing him. You've been watching the authenticated even published doctored evidence clips from Giuliani's propaganda studio. You need to check the rest of the video, and you don't have to go to left fake media to get it. Bill Barr knows what he would never dare tell you about it. Well, now that Trump despises him, maybe he would admit it now. Talk to me when that investigation is finished. Joe Biden has not fired the Trump appointed investigators yet, FWIW. Ironically, Trump only accuses people of tactics that he has better mastered himself. Wally calls it "projecting". Trump can't suspect people of anything that he himself is not used to doing himself. Yes, we are. No, we don't mix and match. We either believe Trump can tell the truth and Fox is news, or that Trump is a gangster and Fox is populist and fake. I believe the latter. The former are preparing the way for a potential American dictatorship.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 14:50:06 GMT -5
I really have no clue how the investigations into Biden and Trump will play out - I only think it's telling that one is all over the news, and the other is 'hush-hush'. If we're talking relative scales of corruption, tax evasion and money laundering, I would have no problem believing that Trump outstrips the Bidens by a considerable margin. I also think that Biden is a much better human in general than Trump is. No denying that. But I still maintain that the determination of what is 'newsworthy' and how long the coverage is maintained before all is dropped is indicative of the clear bias in the media. Remember Dr. Ford's allegations against Justice Kavanaugh? She had far less evidence of any sort of an incident that supposedly happened in highschool than Reid (herself a democrat) and the numerous other women who accused Biden of sexual misconduct during his professional career in a 2019 ABC news report. And yet we were treated to months of Justice Kavanaugh being presumed guilty and nonstop news coverage. Even as it was clear that there was no case against him, and as many women staffers and colleagues supported him? Even a televised hearing with body language experts. It was a media circus, and for what? You notice how quickly those same caring and sympathetic democrats dropped Dr. Ford after it became obvious that their ploy to hold off the nomination until after midterm elections (when they thought they might have congressional support to block all further Trump nominees) wouldn't work? And yet, multiple women level accusations against Biden, and all Biden has to do is say (campaigning from his basement), "nope. didn't do it." and the media all agree, "Well...that's good enough for us!" Kavanaugh should've tried that...I'm sure everyone would've believed him... As to the racist charge - I find it to be a lazy accusation. It could very well be that Trump is racist, and that his policies benefitting black people and his continual disavowing of white supremacy is signs of his secret racism. But here's what Ice Cube had to say when he presented both campaigns with his Contract with Black America "I didn't run to go work with any campaign. Both campaigns contacted me," Cube said. "Both campaigns wanted to talk to me about the Contract with Black America. One campaign said, 'We love what you have, but let's really dig into after the election.' And one campaign said 'We love what you have, do you mind talking to us about it?' And that's what I did, so I didn't run to nobody."? The first one was Biden, the second was Trump. www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/us/ice-cube-donald-trump-cuomo-interview-trnd/index.html
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 15:04:59 GMT -5
After all the times he has disavowed White supremacy? Don't be so stupid -- he's a consummate liar. Only a white racist thinks that. The rest of the whites recognize that symptom of racism. Majority population racists are equally fanatical capitalists -- there is money to be made and entertainment to be had by keeping a stable of minority curiosities. Why do you think Hitler spared and pampered brilliant Jewish entertainers in the Third Reich. Ask any black American entertainer if they think they are treated equally with Whites. Using someone is not embracing him. You've been watching the authenticated even published doctored evidence clips from Giuliani's propaganda studio. You need to check the rest of the video, and you don't have to go to left fake media to get it. Bill Barr knows what he would never dare tell you about it. Well, now that Trump despises him, maybe he would admit it now. Talk to me when that investigation is finished. Joe Biden has not fired the Trump appointed investigators yet, FWIW. Ironically, Trump only accuses people of tactics that he has better mastered himself. Wally calls it "projecting". Trump can't suspect people of anything that he himself is not used to doing himself. Yes, we are. No, we don't mix and match. We either believe Trump can tell the truth and Fox is news, or that Trump is a gangster and Fox is populist and fake. I believe the latter. The former are preparing the way for a potential American dictatorship. I'm confused...am I now a racist? Are you? Are we all? I hope to goodness we all are, so we can just cross it off as a common denominator. I'm curious - when you hear "that person is a racist!", does a black person come to mind? Of course not. "racist" is the political label that only applies to white people, and people of all colors of skin are free to point it out. (I know that this isn't reality, but if I am to be called a racist for simply "speaking my truth" as the pc world likes to say, doesn't that fact speak for itself?) I'm an odd racist indeed who developed our college program to include mentoring and bringing STEM activities to inner-city, predominantly black children.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 16:38:00 GMT -5
Don't be so stupid -- he's a consummate liar. Only a white racist thinks that. The rest of the whites recognize that symptom of racism. Majority population racists are equally fanatical capitalists -- there is money to be made and entertainment to be had by keeping a stable of minority curiosities. Why do you think Hitler spared and pampered brilliant Jewish entertainers in the Third Reich. Ask any black American entertainer if they think they are treated equally with Whites. Using someone is not embracing him. You've been watching the authenticated even published doctored evidence clips from Giuliani's propaganda studio. You need to check the rest of the video, and you don't have to go to left fake media to get it. Bill Barr knows what he would never dare tell you about it. Well, now that Trump despises him, maybe he would admit it now. Talk to me when that investigation is finished. Joe Biden has not fired the Trump appointed investigators yet, FWIW. Ironically, Trump only accuses people of tactics that he has better mastered himself. Wally calls it "projecting". Trump can't suspect people of anything that he himself is not used to doing himself. Yes, we are. No, we don't mix and match. We either believe Trump can tell the truth and Fox is news, or that Trump is a gangster and Fox is populist and fake. I believe the latter. The former are preparing the way for a potential American dictatorship. I'm confused...am I now a racist? Are you? Are we all? I hope to goodness we all are, so we can just cross it off as a common denominator. I'm curious - when you hear "that person is a racist!", does a black person come to mind? Of course not. "racist" is the political label that only applies to white people, and people of all colors of skin are free to point it out. (I know that this isn't reality, but if I am to be called a racist for simply "speaking my truth" as the pc world likes to say, doesn't that fact speak for itself?) I'm an odd racist indeed who developed our college program to include mentoring and bringing STEM activities to inner-city, predominantly black children. bob considers everyone that is white a racist except of course himself...he will throw anyone under the bus to achieve that narrative...
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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2021 18:50:42 GMT -5
I'm confused...am I now a racist? I don't know. You could be. I could be, easily. I am continuously evaluating my thoughts about individuals about the reasons I prefer or reject their company, etc. People who are racist have doubts about the worthiness, humanity, and intelligence of others because of race, ethnicity, and a number of other classifications of individuals. Probably, but only if our interactions with others are motivated by worthiness, humanity, and intelligence of others because of race, ethnicity, and a number of other classifications of individuals. That's the attitude that ignores the damages caused by racism to individuals, democracies, economies. It's the attitude that, in the US, makes it so that WASPs have not a clue why people protest and riot. Things that are predictable, like riots, do not originate in violent actions on either side. I wouldn't believe anything like that without evidence. In the WASP American community, that appears to be the common opinion. Unfortunately WASP America has forever had a problem with other groups, not just Blacks, but Blacks especially and most egregiously. You should not presume that all is yet well in that respect. If you socialized inside other cultures in this country you would learn soon enough that the word “racist” is not simply about White oppression. But you are right. Racism always becomes a political problem when oppressive situations are not addressed. Politics can be inclusive, or exclusive – and always subject to party priorities. We should not presume that “ our truth”, by virtue of our being comfortable with it, is any more the reality than is Marjorie Greene’s “truth” the Jews were responsible for the forest fires in California – she’s quite comfortable with that for some reason. That’s not such an odd kind of racism. Assuming you have mentors who are sympathetic to black children’s “peculiar” needs, then there’s nothing racist about that – any more than a male gynecologist treating a woman. What IS BLATANTLY racist is something that happens far too often – the dominant culture deciding what is best for the minority culture. But that’s another topic.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 22:46:45 GMT -5
I'm confused...am I now a racist? I don't know. You could be. I could be, easily. I am continuously evaluating my thoughts about individuals about the reasons I prefer or reject their company, etc. People who are racist have doubts about the worthiness, humanity, and intelligence of others because of race, ethnicity, and a number of other classifications of individuals. Probably, but only if our interactions with others are motivated by worthiness, humanity, and intelligence of others because of race, ethnicity, and a number of other classifications of individuals. That's the attitude that ignores the damages caused by racism to individuals, democracies, economies. It's the attitude that, in the US, makes it so that WASPs have not a clue why people protest and riot. Things that are predictable, like riots, do not originate in violent actions on either side. I wouldn't believe anything like that without evidence. In the WASP American community, that appears to be the common opinion. Unfortunately WASP America has forever had a problem with other groups, not just Blacks, but Blacks especially and most egregiously. You should not presume that all is yet well in that respect. If you socialized inside other cultures in this country you would learn soon enough that the word “racist” is not simply about White oppression. But you are right. Racism always becomes a political problem when oppressive situations are not addressed. Politics can be inclusive, or exclusive – and always subject to party priorities. We should not presume that “ our truth”, by virtue of our being comfortable with it, is any more the reality than is Marjorie Greene’s “truth” the Jews were responsible for the forest fires in California – she’s quite comfortable with that for some reason. That’s not such an odd kind of racism. Assuming you have mentors who are sympathetic to black children’s “peculiar” needs, then there’s nothing racist about that – any more than a male gynecologist treating a woman. What IS BLATANTLY racist is something that happens far too often – the dominant culture deciding what is best for the minority culture. But that’s another topic. I hear what you're saying, and can meet you halfway way. But Bob, I don't think you're a racist by any stretch. If I understand you correctly, you acknowledge that you may have prejudices and continually evaluate your thoughts about others. I hope the same is true of myself. But that just makes you a human - susceptible to the vices inherent in a species for which tribalism meant survival for the better part of 200,000 years. Only recently did tribalism lose much of the protective quality in once afforded (chiefly in preventing novel disease endemic to another tribe from wiping out yours - think smallpox and the eastern native Americans). But when a congressman can have an affair with a woman on a different continent, we can hardly be considered truly tribal. I think we're humans. And humans have an evolutionary heritage of tribalism which took and takes many forms. I'm not naive to racism within the Black community against whites. One of my best students (now a fellow instructor at the college I work at) lamented to me about the racism of his family against white folks. I lamented about the racists in my family (not immediate thankfully - my parents had their heads on right). In my mind, if we are to use the term "racist" and have it mean anything, we must be able to differentiate between different shades of bigotry. I by no means think I have the knowledge, experience or wisdom to do this (which is why I find the comments of folks like you and dmmichgood valuable, though not always do I agree). I see the word "racist" similar to the word "Nazi". If used carelessly, it loses its meaning and cheapens the horror of it. It's harder to fight racism when everything a person does or says can be considered racist when it's convenient. Maybe I need to consider the labels differently.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2021 23:22:20 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, and can meet you halfway way. But Bob, I don't think you're a racist by any stretch. If I understand you correctly, you acknowledge that you may have prejudices and continually evaluate your thoughts about others. I hope the same is true of myself. But that just makes you a human - susceptible to the vices inherent in a species for which tribalism meant survival for the better part of 200,000 years. Only recently did tribalism lose much of the protective quality in once afforded (chiefly in preventing novel disease endemic to another tribe from wiping out yours - think smallpox and the eastern native Americans). But when a congressman can have an affair with a woman on a different continent, we can hardly be considered truly tribal. One person's "defection" is no indication that the tribe is losing any vitality. I remember stories about the first people who came out of traditional religions and joined the 2x2's -- I don't think they were any indication or cause of the eventual isolation of denominational groups from each other. There will always be racists, no matter what kind of societies emerge. What prevents the damage of racism is strong government and education dedicated to keeping racist activities from affecting how people interact with others in public and in the work place. You're exactly right. Unfortunately far too many people think that if people aren't cussing each other out in public that racism has been conquered. There's nothing further from the truth. For a long while now there wasn't much in the way of overt racism in public life in the US, but it thrived just the same. Trump just gave them all permission to come out of their closets with it and look at the problem we have now. Domestic terrorism from the WASP-right wing is the major threat to peace in the homeland. Hitler's racism was quite public and without apology to anyone. That's the easiest kind to crush because they're so visible. It's the sweet little old ladies who suddenly won't allow a black delivery person to bring furniture into her house that has become more "acceptable" in the present national environment. You have a point. I have the feeling that it's common in this country for WASP's to knee jerk to the defense of any other WASP that is accused of being racist. This will never ever encourage minorities to trust whites to discuss race problems civilly. My greatest shock in moving into the US was to discover the extent of racist considerations even the F&W made concerning Blacks in particular. I have a life-long bests friend who was born, raised, educated, and worked in Vietnam until the Tet offensive. Throughout the last year he has found the attitude of the friends and workers toward him and his family totally disconcerting. It's totally about race, because he's more educated and skilled in English language that the great majority of the friends -- but the divide between the friends who socialize with him and the friends who won't even speak to him or shake his hand in meetings is very telling. It's been so for more than 30 years now. Fortunately for him he is well enough off to be able to live part time back in Vietnam again.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 23:52:45 GMT -5
I hear what you're saying, and can meet you halfway way. But Bob, I don't think you're a racist by any stretch. If I understand you correctly, you acknowledge that you may have prejudices and continually evaluate your thoughts about others. I hope the same is true of myself. But that just makes you a human - susceptible to the vices inherent in a species for which tribalism meant survival for the better part of 200,000 years. Only recently did tribalism lose much of the protective quality in once afforded (chiefly in preventing novel disease endemic to another tribe from wiping out yours - think smallpox and the eastern native Americans). But when a congressman can have an affair with a woman on a different continent, we can hardly be considered truly tribal. One person's "defection" is no indication that the tribe is losing any vitality. I remember stories about the first people who came out of traditional religions and joined the 2x2's -- I don't think they were any indication or cause of the eventual isolation of denominational groups from each other. There will always be racists, no matter what kind of societies emerge. What prevents the damage of racism is strong government and education dedicated to keeping racist activities from affecting how people interact with others in public and in the work place. You're exactly right. Unfortunately far too many people think that if people aren't cussing each other out in public that racism has been conquered. There's nothing further from the truth. For a long while now there wasn't much in the way of overt racism in public life in the US, but it thrived just the same. Trump just gave them all permission to come out of their closets with it and look at the problem we have now. Domestic terrorism from the WASP-right wing is the major threat to peace in the homeland. Hitler's racism was quite public and without apology to anyone. That's the easiest kind to crush because they're so visible. It's the sweet little old ladies who suddenly won't allow a black delivery person to bring furniture into her house that has become more "acceptable" in the present national environment. You have a point. I have the feeling that it's common in this country for WASP's to knee jerk to the defense of any other WASP that is accused of being racist. This will never ever encourage minorities to trust whites to discuss race problems civilly. My greatest shock in moving into the US was to discover the extent of racist considerations even the F&W made concerning Blacks in particular. I have a life-long bests friend who was born, raised, educated, and worked in Vietnam until the Tet offensive. Throughout the last year he has found the attitude of the friends and workers toward him and his family totally disconcerting. It's totally about race, because he's more educated and skilled in English language that the great majority of the friends -- but the divide between the friends who socialize with him and the friends who won't even speak to him or shake his hand in meetings is very telling. It's been so for more than 30 years now. Fortunately for him he is well enough off to be able to live part time back in Vietnam again. I hear you about a strong education system. While it is no doubt in us by nature to be tribal, racism is taught. I remember explaining to my daughter about MLK day and the civil rights movement and further back into slavery. She was completely taken aback and said, "but Dad, I like dark skinned people and light skinned people." She was 6. I will always remember that moment because it showed me the truth (metaphorical or otherwise) of Jesus' words when he admonished them to be more like children. It also showed me (as have other experiences) that education is absolutely critical. It also, for a brief moment, gave me hope of a better future. That's bizarre about your close friend (I assume you're speaking of Nathan 😂😂😂 - jk of course). When we lived out east, there was an middle aged professing black couple we were very fond of, and even though he was 2x2 through and through (as were we at that point), he still mentioned once to me that racism happens in the fellowship. Nothing more than that, but I have a strong notion there was a lot more he could've said. I appreciate your perspective.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 27, 2021 2:32:51 GMT -5
I hear you about a strong education system. While it is no doubt in us by nature to be tribal, racism is taught. I remember explaining to my daughter about MLK day and the civil rights movement and further back into slavery. She was completely taken aback and said, "but Dad, I like dark skinned people and light skinned people." She was 6. I will always remember that moment because it showed me the truth (metaphorical or otherwise) of Jesus' words when he admonished them to be more like children. It also showed me (as have other experiences) that education is absolutely critical. It also, for a brief moment, gave me hope of a better future. That's bizarre about your close friend (I assume you're speaking of Nathan 😂😂😂 - jk of course). When we lived out east, there was an middle aged professing black couple we were very fond of, and even though he was 2x2 through and through (as were we at that point), he still mentioned once to me that racism happens in the fellowship. Nothing more than that, but I have a strong notion there was a lot more he could've said. I appreciate your perspective. I expect your parents were very much like mine with respect to race. Obviously -- when I get together with my 4 siblings and spouses we speak, among us, English, French, Spanish, Manderin, Shanghaiese, Arabic, Hebrew, and Urdu. My own kids had lots of exposure to various groups. One of them was educated in English and the other one was educated in French. It was good for them and now for my grandkids.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 9:53:26 GMT -5
youtu.be/bB3Q9t7gHEoThank goodness this didn't come out when Biden was running! Imagine, a VP having meetings with his son's business partners and then becoming the president. Golly gee... good thing we were all told that nothing was amiss. Thank goodness for a press with integrity.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 27, 2021 16:27:16 GMT -5
youtu.be/bB3Q9t7gHEoThank goodness this didn't come out when Biden was running! Imagine, a VP having meetings with his son's business partners and then becoming the president. Golly gee... good thing we were all told that nothing was amiss. Thank goodness for a press with integrity. Do we have any other source for this than FOX?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 17:12:45 GMT -5
youtu.be/bB3Q9t7gHEoThank goodness this didn't come out when Biden was running! Imagine, a VP having meetings with his son's business partners and then becoming the president. Golly gee... good thing we were all told that nothing was amiss. Thank goodness for a press with integrity. Do we have any other source for this than FOX? I know they lean right, but FOX isn't too shabby. I've also seen it in yahoo.news and NYP. After all the major other networks spent the last two years telling us that it was not important, I wouldn't expect them to be on the forefront. They don't want to touch any part of the Hunter Biden investigation. I expect CNN to stay on the "more bad news for Trump" line, citing anonymous sources. 🤣 It may turn out to be nothing, but I had read a press excerpt a day prior to the FOX report from the UK claiming an independent California company had authenticated (just recently) the laptop. Thus I suspected it to be repeated eventually. Best case (if true - it may be a hoax like the "Russian collusion" hoax) is it gets Biden impeached, removed and we have President Harris. At least when she gets a question, she can have a condescending laugh instead of forgetting her name.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 27, 2021 20:40:20 GMT -5
Do we have any other source for this than FOX? I know they lean right, but FOX isn't too shabby. I've also seen it in yahoo.news and NYP. After all the major other networks spent the last two years telling us that it was not important, I wouldn't expect them to be on the forefront. They don't want to touch any part of the Hunter Biden investigation. I expect CNN to stay on the "more bad news for Trump" line, citing anonymous sources. 🤣 It may turn out to be nothing, but I had read a press excerpt a day prior to the FOX report from the UK claiming an independent California company had authenticated (just recently) the laptop. Thus I suspected it to be repeated eventually. Best case (if true - it may be a hoax like the "Russian collusion" hoax) is it gets Biden impeached, removed and we have President Harris. At least when she gets a question, she can have a condescending laugh instead of forgetting her name. FOX (news??) is nothing but a Trump propaganda agency. PERIOD
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 21:01:35 GMT -5
I know they lean right, but FOX isn't too shabby. I've also seen it in yahoo.news and NYP. After all the major other networks spent the last two years telling us that it was not important, I wouldn't expect them to be on the forefront. They don't want to touch any part of the Hunter Biden investigation. I expect CNN to stay on the "more bad news for Trump" line, citing anonymous sources. 🤣 It may turn out to be nothing, but I had read a press excerpt a day prior to the FOX report from the UK claiming an independent California company had authenticated (just recently) the laptop. Thus I suspected it to be repeated eventually. Best case (if true - it may be a hoax like the "Russian collusion" hoax) is it gets Biden impeached, removed and we have President Harris. At least when she gets a question, she can have a condescending laugh instead of forgetting her name. FOX (news??) is nothing but a Trump propaganda agency. PERIOD ummmm FOX news was around long before Trump became president...PERIOD
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Post by dmmichgood on May 27, 2021 21:14:04 GMT -5
FOX (news??) is nothing but a Trump propaganda agency. PERIOD ummmm FOX news was around long before Trump became president...PERIOD Why does that change anything?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 21:17:16 GMT -5
ummmm FOX news was around long before Trump became president...PERIOD Why does that change anything?FOX isn't beholden to any one president its beholden to largely conservative ideals...
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Post by dmmichgood on May 27, 2021 21:33:56 GMT -5
Why does that change anything? FOX isn't beholden to any one president its beholden to largely conservative ideals... Well, thanks for that, wally, but we already knew that!
T rump just became the red meat that they loved!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 11:56:05 GMT -5
I could say the same of CNN - that they are a propaganda news source for the Democratic party. I believe neither - I believe FOX leans right and CNN leans left. I appreciate at least that one news agency was willing to report when Trump did something good.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 11:58:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 19:47:04 GMT -5
The Hunter laptop issue is starting to be very interesting. "Dad will be there..."
Dad: "well...c'mon man! What was the question again?"
Media: "........................gulp......."
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