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Post by nathan on May 26, 2021 21:34:21 GMT -5
I bet you wouldn't have the guts to repeat your last paragraph in your Sunday morning meeting nathan !! You are very quick to spruik "your beliefs" and condemn others, when you are called out you carry on like a spoilt child ! You still don't get it, the reason people repeat themselves is because you don't answer questions, because you know you will contridict yourself, pride is a sin you know nathan !!! ummm no, that is not the reason. the reason is the incapacity to either understand English or not listening at all.... Amen, Wally.... They totally ignored what I wrote... and keep on repeating the same question over and over! Watering torture tech. she and Chuck use the same tech to wear our minds us out! And drive us CRAZY or up the Walls. We know their games, Wally.
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Post by nathan on May 26, 2021 21:34:49 GMT -5
I bet you wouldn't have the guts to repeat your last paragraph in your Sunday morning meeting nathan !! My last paragraph "That is how it should be the workers/Moses can only hold our hands to the promised Land/Heaven land but it's Joshua/Jesus who leads us to enter heaven. We want to lean more on Jesus/God for help, guidance and direction, less depend on the workers." This is many of my older companions taught me and I taught it when I was in the work. Yes, I have repeated the similar things in my Sunday morning meetings when we were coming to the Bible studies started by Leo Stancliff in 1978 on the university campus lawn and when he saw we/us students adored too much of him this is what he said to us... John the Baptist said to his followers when they saw Christ walking toward them, " Christ must increase and I MUST decrease." Now, you follow Him/Christ.
Leo S. tried to tell us Now, you follow Christ and look, ask Him for all things. So, that was my goal in my ministry to point people to follow Christ teachings, go to Him for everything first and the workers opinions last. When I married my wife I went to ask God first for guidance without consulting the workers. God can see the future and the end results and it has worked out BETTER than I can ever imagine.... Our marriage last about 30 years! and is a happy one so far... Hopefully, another 20 more years to go.
She is a wife of my dream! a very good wife, a cook/chef, and I have a private doctor treating my Diabetic and health. She was a Ped. doctor in Vietnam. I have a good son! God is the best, Iam a VERY happy camper. God is no DEBTOR to no man or to those who LOVE Him and His Son/Christ Jesus.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 26, 2021 21:39:00 GMT -5
I bet you wouldn't have the guts to repeat your last paragraph in your Sunday morning meeting nathan !! You are very quick to spruik "your beliefs" and condemn others, when you are called out you carry on like a spoilt child ! You still don't get it, the reason people repeat themselves is because you don't answer questions, because you know you will contridict yourself, pride is a sin you know nathan !!! ummm no, that is not the reason. the reason is the incapacity to either understand English or not listening at all.... Oh...so is that why you keep repeating the same thing over and over again @wally ? "Nice try though...." It seems that it is only you and nathan that feel some of us repeat ourselves....I wonder why that is ? If you and nathan are the only people on TMB that "have the capacity to understand English" ...we are in a bad way !!
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Post by Roselyn T on May 26, 2021 21:43:47 GMT -5
I bet you wouldn't have the guts to repeat your last paragraph in your Sunday morning meeting nathan !! My last paragraph "That is how it should be the workers/Moses can only hold our hands to the promised Land/Heaven land but it's Joshua/Jesus who leads us to enter heaven. We want to lean more on Jesus/God for help, guidance and direction, less depend on the workers." This is many of my older companions taught me and I taught it when I was in the work. Yes, I have repeated the similar things in my Sunday morning meetings when we were coming to the Bible studies started by Leo Stancliff in 1978 on the university campus lawn and when he saw we/us students adored too much of him this is what he said to us... John the Baptist said to his followers when they saw Christ walking toward them, " Christ must increase and I MUST decrease." Now, you follow Him/Christ.
Leo S. tried to tell us Now, you follow Christ and look, ask Him for all things. So, that was my goal in my ministry to point people to follow Christ teachings, go to Him for everything first and the workers opinions last. When I married my wife I went to ask God first for guidance without consulting the workers. God can see the future and the end results and it has worked out BETTER than I can ever imagine.
Sorry nathan, I do not believe you....an ex Worker telling people in the Sunday morning meeting to be "less dependant on the Workers ... but then again I suppose you didn't attend for 20 years (from memory) so they probably don't take too much notice to what you say.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 22:23:44 GMT -5
ummm no, that is not the reason. the reason is the incapacity to either understand English or not listening at all.... Oh...so is that why you keep repeating the same thing over and over again @wally ? "Nice try though...." It seems that it is only you and nathan that feel some of us repeat ourselves....I wonder why that is ? If you and nathan are the only people on TMB that "have the capacity to understand English" ...we are in a bad way !! i don't even come close to repeating the same questions over and over again that you do. repeating answers is a given as true answers are always repeatable and some people including you need it repeated especially as it seems to take a while to sink into a thicker skull...good try though
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Post by chuck on May 26, 2021 22:38:43 GMT -5
** I answered you MANY times in my own words but you are like Rose T. the queen of broken record keep on REPEATING the same phrase over and over when I already answered it Many times. I was taught by the workers about 8 years as a friend coming to the Bible studies; gospel meetings; Sunday morning meetings. 8 years in the ministry as 2x2 worker learning from the senior workers. I left the work in 1993-2021 the Holy Spirit, Christ and God the Father have been my teachers. I have listened and learned a few things fromto different ones the last 30 years but MOST of my understanding and revelation come from the Godhead. I learned the basic sincere MILK of the word doctrine and teaching of Jesus the apostolic/workers ministry and the New Testament fellowship but the meat diet to make me grow and maturity in Christ came from God. That is how it should be the workers/Moses can only hold our hands to the promised Land/Heaven land but it's Joshua/Jesus who leads us to enter heaven. We want to lean more on Jesus/God for help, guidance and direction, less dependant on the workers. Nathan Isolating yourself with a group of people who tell you 2+2=5 for 46 years isn't really a good Idea. You should listen to @redback and go get some training at bare minimum. Like I tried to explain to wally which he didn't get, the only resemblance to the workers and the bible day's is the Character they display. And they are nothing like Moses. If you want to compare them to Moses it would be like the workers championing for homosexuality today. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. - Matthew 23:1-4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:1-4&version=NIV
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Post by chuck on May 26, 2021 22:40:28 GMT -5
ummm no, that is not the reason. the reason is the incapacity to either understand English or not listening at all.... Oh...so is that why you keep repeating the same thing over and over again @wally ? "Nice try though...." It seems that it is only you and nathan that feel some of us repeat ourselves....I wonder why that is ? If you and nathan are the only people on TMB that "have the capacity to understand English" ...we are in a bad way !! Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. - Matthew 23:1-4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:1-4&version=NIV
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 22:46:30 GMT -5
Like I tried to explain to wally which he didn't get, when all chuck(false god) has to offer is a false gospel, there is little need to listen....
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Post by chuck on May 26, 2021 22:55:38 GMT -5
Like I tried to explain to wally which he didn't get, when all chuck(false god) has to offer is a false gospel, there is little need to listen.... wally another thing you don't understand is the gospel isn’t "go out and convert everyone to be like me". I don't see how I can be a false god as I am not sending people to hell that don't look or see it like me.....look in the mirror....
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Post by nathan on May 26, 2021 22:57:32 GMT -5
Nathan Isolating yourself with a group of people who tell you 2+2=5 for 46 years isn't really a good Idea. You should listen to @redback and go get some training at bare minimum. Like I tried to explain to wally which he didn't get, the only resemblance to the workers and the bible day's is the Character they display. And they are nothing like Moses. If you want to compare them to Moses it would be like the workers championing for homosexuality today. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. - Matthew 23:1-4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:1-4&version=NIV I believe you are fitting in nicely with the exes and the ex-2x2 atheists on here, Chuck. You sound and act like them. I give you another couple weeks you will be one of them. In your head you think you are a 2x2 but in your heart you are NOT. Like Wally said, "You are deceiving yourself as a 2x2." Your writing/belief betray what are truly in your heart it pouring out like spring of water out of the ground.
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Post by nathan on May 26, 2021 22:59:03 GMT -5
when all chuck(false god) has to offer is a false gospel, there is little need to listen.... wally another thing you don't understand is the gospel isn’t "go out and convert everyone to be like me". I don't see how I can be a false god as I am not sending people to hell that don't look or see it like me.....look in the mirror.... Nobody can send anyone to HELL, people go there by choice or Satan has deceived them thinking HELL is heaven.
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Post by chuck on May 26, 2021 23:03:42 GMT -5
wally another thing you don't understand is the gospel isn’t "go out and convert everyone to be like me". I don't see how I can be a false god as I am not sending people to hell that don't look or see it like me.....look in the mirror.... Nobody can send anyone to HELL, people go there by choice or Satan has deceived them thinking HELL is heaven.No seeing it like you is not choosing to go to hell. You need to learn where your Idea of heaven hell and god come from. Ill give you a hint, its the greeks!.
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Post by nathan on May 26, 2021 23:11:33 GMT -5
Nobody can send anyone to HELL, people go there by choice or Satan has deceived them thinking HELL is heaven. No seeing it like you is not choosing to go to hell. You need to learn where your Idea of heaven hell and god come from. Ill give you a hint, its the greeks!. Are a Greek or Hebrews by birth? You are NOT by birth either one. How in the hell are you going to understand the Bible without being either one of them?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 23:13:11 GMT -5
when all chuck(false god) has to offer is a false gospel, there is little need to listen.... wally another thing you don't understand is the gospel isn’t "go out and convert everyone to be like me". I don't see how I can be a false god as I am not sending people to hell that don't look or see it like me.....look in the mirror.... no one has said that except for you...anywho we are all suppose to strive to be like Christ eventually that means we ALL will end up being very similar spiritually in the end. 1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. chuck(false god) doesn't believe in hell so why would he suggest it to anyone with his false gospel?
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Post by chuck on May 26, 2021 23:18:47 GMT -5
Nathan Isolating yourself with a group of people who tell you 2+2=5 for 46 years isn't really a good Idea. You should listen to @redback and go get some training at bare minimum. Like I tried to explain to wally which he didn't get, the only resemblance to the workers and the bible day's is the Character they display. And they are nothing like Moses. If you want to compare them to Moses it would be like the workers championing for homosexuality today. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. - Matthew 23:1-4 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew23:1-4&version=NIV I believe you are fitting in nicely with the exes and the ex-2x2 atheists on here, Chuck. You sound and act like them. I give you another couple weeks you will be one of them. In your head you think you are a 2x2 but in your heart you are NOT. Like Wally said, "You are deceiving yourself as a 2x2." Your writing/belief betray what are truly in your heart it pouring out like spring of water out of the ground.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 23:21:56 GMT -5
I believe you are fitting in nicely with the exes and the ex-2x2 atheists on here, Chuck. You sound and act like them. I give you another couple weeks you will be one of them. In your head you think you are a 2x2 but in your heart you are NOT. Like Wally said, "You are deceiving yourself as a 2x2." Your writing/belief betray what are truly in your heart it pouring out like spring of water out of the ground.
Nathan "ex" is a disgusting term if the shoe fits wear it....
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Post by chuck on May 26, 2021 23:24:34 GMT -5
No seeing it like you is not choosing to go to hell. You need to learn where your Idea of heaven hell and god come from. Ill give you a hint, its the greeks!. Are a Greek or Hebrews by birth? You are NOT by birth either one. How in the hell are you going to understand the Bible without being either one of them?Ask seek knock. It's a pretty clear instruction. You'll be amazed what you find when you come out of isolation..... If you put half the effort into looking into the history of the Greeks and Hebrews that you do into Venus you will see how silly your question really is. It's quite disturbing both yourself and wally cannot understand how someone could begin to understand these people without actually being one themselves......
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 23:39:00 GMT -5
Are a Greek or Hebrews by birth? You are NOT by birth either one. How in the hell are you going to understand the Bible without being either one of them? It's quite disturbing both yourself and wally cannot understand how someone could begin to understand these people without actually being one themselves...... we are not the ones promoting that, its you with your "hebraic only perspective" to understanding anything biblical...good try though...disturbing indeed...
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Post by chuck on May 26, 2021 23:47:08 GMT -5
It's quite disturbing both yourself and wally cannot understand how someone could begin to understand these people without actually being one themselves...... we are not the ones promoting that, its you with your "hebraic only perspective" to understanding anything biblical...good try though...disturbing indeed... You'll never begin to understand the scriptures without it. This is why 2x2ism and other denominations were invented.......
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 23:51:38 GMT -5
we are not the ones promoting that, its you with your "hebraic only perspective" to understanding anything biblical...good try though...disturbing indeed... You'll never begin to understand the scriptures without it. This is why 2x2ism and other denominations were invented....... that is what the Holy Spirit is for, to bad you've rejected him you'll(obviously)never understand scripture without him...not a good place to be either...
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Post by chuck on May 27, 2021 0:29:57 GMT -5
You'll never begin to understand the scriptures without it. This is why 2x2ism and other denominations were invented....... that is what the Holy Spirit is for, to bad you've rejected him you'll(obviously)never understand scripture without him...not a good place to be either... Another thing you don't understand is "Holy". The mere fact that your bound to 2x2ism is contradictory to the meaning of "Holy". If something is "Holy" it does not enslave you. You are enslaved to 2x2ism religion.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 0:57:33 GMT -5
that is what the Holy Spirit is for, to bad you've rejected him you'll(obviously)never understand scripture without him...not a good place to be either... Another thing you don't understand is "Holy". The mere fact that your bound to 2x2ism is contradictory to the meaning of "Holy". If something is "Holy" it does not enslave you. You are enslaved to 2x2ism religion. i'm bound to Christ and a willing slave to him. so better to be a slave to him than a slave to the beast which you are.... Matthew 10:24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. 1 Corinthians 7:22 For he who was called in the Lord while a slave, is the Lord’s freedman; likewise he who was called while free, is Christ’s slave. good try though chuck(false god) preaching a false gospel...
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Post by nathan on May 27, 2021 1:00:00 GMT -5
It's quite disturbing both yourself and wally cannot understand how someone could begin to understand these people without actually being one themselves...... we are not the ones promoting that, its you with your "hebraic only perspective" to understanding anything biblical...good try though...disturbing indeed... Chuck is a very confusing guy! he is on another plain of his own with his need to be Greeks and Hebrews/minds to understand the Bible when he isn't born as a Greek and a Hebrew... How is he expecting to understand the Bible? He had accused us for NOT understanding the Scriptures because you, me and most of the posters on TMB aren't Greeks or Hebrews either. What a crack pot.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 27, 2021 2:24:28 GMT -5
You'll never begin to understand the scriptures without it. This is why 2x2ism and other denominations were invented....... that is what the Holy Spirit is for, to bad you've rejected him you'll(obviously)never understand scripture without him...not a good place to be either... Oh so you are God now are you @wally !!! How do you know chuck has rejected the Holy Spirit ? Are you really in the place to judge others?
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Post by Roselyn T on May 27, 2021 2:27:14 GMT -5
Another thing you don't understand is "Holy". The mere fact that your bound to 2x2ism is contradictory to the meaning of "Holy". If something is "Holy" it does not enslave you. You are enslaved to 2x2ism religion. i'm bound to Christ and a willing slave to him. so better to be a slave to him than a slave to the beast which you are.... Matthew 10:24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. 1 Corinthians 7:22 For he who was called in the Lord while a slave, is the Lord’s freedman; likewise he who was called while free, is Christ’s slave. good try though chuck(false god) preaching a false gospel... You seem to be a bit mixed up @wally...its your mate nathan that is preaching a "false gospel" with all his Venus, hollow earth BS !
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Post by Roselyn T on May 27, 2021 2:28:44 GMT -5
we are not the ones promoting that, its you with your "hebraic only perspective" to understanding anything biblical...good try though...disturbing indeed... Chuck is a very confusing guy! he is on another plain of his own with his need to be Greeks and Hebrews/minds to understand the Bible when he isn't born as a Greek and a Hebrew... How is he expecting to understand the Bible? He had accused us for NOT understanding the Scriptures because you, me and most of the posters on TMB aren't Greeks or Hebrews either. What a crack pot.
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Post by Roselyn T on May 27, 2021 2:39:57 GMT -5
Oh...so is that why you keep repeating the same thing over and over again @wally ? "Nice try though...." It seems that it is only you and nathan that feel some of us repeat ourselves....I wonder why that is ? If you and nathan are the only people on TMB that "have the capacity to understand English" ...we are in a bad way !! i don't even come close to repeating the same questions over and over again that you do. repeating answers is a given as true answers are always repeatable and some people including you need it repeated especially as it seems to take a while to sink into a thicker skull...good try though Where would us "thick skulled" people be with out the great @wally and nathan !!! We are so grateful to you both, as you seem to have all the answers and surely must be closer to your God than others. You would have made a great Worker @wally !!!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 2:57:32 GMT -5
that is what the Holy Spirit is for, to bad you've rejected him you'll(obviously)never understand scripture without him...not a good place to be either... Oh so you are God now are you @wally !!! How do you know chuck has rejected the Holy Spirit ? Are you really in the place to judge others? who said i was God? have you not been following along with what Chuck has said here about everything in the bible? try again sunshine....
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