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Post by nathan on May 17, 2021 21:39:33 GMT -5
Like Joanna it makes me sad that 43 people are entering into an abnormal lifestyle, needlessly. It could be so different for them if commonsense prevailed. They will have health issues, breakdowns, etc, caused by living in an unnatural way. There biggest problem will be enforced celibacy, due to some unreasonable man made rule. Times have changed, rules need to be changed. I have been there and done that! It was amazing life and experience... You exes or the friends have no experience what the worker's life are like, for me it's worth every minute of it. Yes, there were challenges, stress but the JOY of helping people, seeing them receiving new life are awesome NOT only in this life but the joy continues on the next life after death.
If you were to ask Jesus, right now.... was the unnatural way of life/celibacy that he lived worth it? He would have said I will DO it again, and again!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 17, 2021 21:42:06 GMT -5
Like Joanna it makes me sad that 43 people are entering into an abnormal lifestyle, needlessly. It could be so different for them if commonsense prevailed. They will have health issues, breakdowns, etc, caused by living in an unnatural way. There biggest problem will be enforced celibacy, due to some unreasonable man made rule. Times have changed, rules need to be changed. Yes, glad I dodged that bullet. Like a lot of young people at that age often felt, I also felt "called" to go into the work.
In my time they usually went right into the work with no further education than high school, -if even that much education
Then when they realized the inner workings of it all they were too old to leave because they was no way to make a living without an education.
I was only after many years that I realized that just because I had wanted to go to nurses training first before going into the work that elder of the church along with head worker of our state gave me all kinds of grief for no reason that I could ever determine.
In fact I never understood any of it until much later when my husband told me of how that same head worker had treated one of his sisters.
I learned that "head" worker was really nothing more than a bully because he loved being able to throw his weight around.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 21:54:37 GMT -5
There were a lot like that in the early days of 2x2ism. It is hard to understand why they became like that, certainly not normal behaviour. And of course that is why all the man made rules got put in place. Not so much like that now, which has to be some improvement.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 17, 2021 22:11:41 GMT -5
There were a lot like that in the early days of 2x2ism. It is hard to understand why they became like that, certainly not normal behaviour. And of course that is why all the man made rules got put in place. Not so much like that now, which has to be some improvement. Probably because many of those the early workers simply like having that power and of course those with power were the ones who succeeded in winnowing out any rivals. The alpha male thing .
But never-the-less, the whole system seemed to be sit up in the form of a pyramid of power.
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Post by openingact34 on May 17, 2021 23:12:10 GMT -5
So he told them & they repeated it. I'm Santa Claus, go figure. Jesus said He is the Almighty God in Rev. 1 and the apostle Thomas addressed Jesus as , "My Lord and My God." and Jesus did NOT correct Thomas, but accepted the titles as his God and his LORD/Yahweh.
Just imagine if one of the disciples was on record as exclaiming: "HOLY SH!T JESUS!" The official Canon of the Catholic Church would insist that Jesus had been created by God taking a poop and making it come to life just like he made Eve out of a rib bone. All the rest of you braindead Trinitarians would agree, because Jesus did not correct the statement. And you would have to celebrate Christmas every year by smearing feces on your face.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 17, 2021 23:26:52 GMT -5
Jesus said He is the Almighty God in Rev. 1 and the apostle Thomas addressed Jesus as , "My Lord and My God." and Jesus did NOT correct Thomas, but accepted the titles as his God and his LORD/Yahweh.
Just imagine if one of the disciples was on record as exclaiming: "HOLY SH!T JESUS!" The official Canon of the Catholic Church would insist that Jesus had been created by God taking a poop and making it come to life just like he made Eve out of a rib bone. All the rest of you braindead Trinitarians would agree, because Jesus did not correct the statement. And you would have to celebrate Christmas every year by smearing feces on your face.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 23:29:28 GMT -5
the pen is mightier than the sword -bulwer-lytton 1839 no more sword to be feared than the pen -proverb 1571 the pen is worse than the sword -burton 1621 by the stroke of a pen more death, injury and suffering have happened than by any sword -wally sometime in the early 2000's The pen is mightier than the sword, meaning. Writing is more effective than Military power or violence. "The pen is mightier than the sword" is a metonymic adage, penned by English author Edward Bulwer-Lytton in 1839, indicating that communication (particularly written language), or in some interpretations, administrative power or advocacy of an independent press, is a more effective tool than direct violence.
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Post by fixit on May 17, 2021 23:37:45 GMT -5
there is no one here "with authority" anymore and any workers that might be lurking won't say a peep... non authority opinion here: it comes down to following God or following mankind for things about behavior/actions. the bible implies following God in all things like that not mankind. I set the "authority" bit deliberately, and you demonstrated what I expected. There is no authority or leadership it somehow just slides along with everybody doing God's will & leaving it all to God. Its a credit to you guys that the whole thing hasn't imploded yet, but the history of cults suggests it won't take more than a couple more generations for that to happen. The Catholic cult has been going for a long time.
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Post by Dan on May 17, 2021 23:50:58 GMT -5
To any young (or older) person who is considering offering for the work, or other ministry, I would encourage them to prove that the words they will be preaching are factual and evidenced. If they cannot prove this using verifiable methods, then to ask themselves "Do they want to be part of spreading untruth?"
You fail to understand that they are called by faith and not factual verifiable evidence. When one believes Jesus was and is the Truth, they don't believe they are spreading an untruth.
A lie can be proven false, the truth cannot.
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Post by Dan on May 17, 2021 23:55:58 GMT -5
the pen is mightier than the sword -bulwer-lytton 1839 no more sword to be feared than the pen -proverb 1571 the pen is worse than the sword -burton 1621 by the stroke of a pen more death, injury and suffering have happened than by any sword -wally sometime in the early 2000's
I agree, we saw that happen when with a stoke of a pen Biden signed a bill that put thousands of oil workers on the unemployment line.
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2021 0:23:58 GMT -5
Jesus said He is the Almighty God in Rev. 1 and the apostle Thomas addressed Jesus as , "My Lord and My God." and Jesus did NOT correct Thomas, but accepted the titles as his God and his LORD/Yahweh.
Just imagine if one of the disciples was on record as exclaiming: "HOLY SH!T JESUS!" The official Canon of the Catholic Church would insist that Jesus had been created by God taking a poop and making it come to life just like he made Eve out of a rib bone. All the rest of you braindead Trinitarians would agree, because Jesus did not correct the statement. And you would have to celebrate Christmas every year by smearing feces on your face. You atheists are talking CRAP/B.S again. When will you guys and gals ever submit to God and Jesus? who can SAVE your poor souls from Hades. STOP kicking against the sharp stick! You only get bloodier than hell each time you kick against it.
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2021 0:37:55 GMT -5
the pen is mightier than the sword -bulwer-lytton 1839 no more sword to be feared than the pen -proverb 1571 the pen is worse than the sword -burton 1621 by the stroke of a pen more death, injury and suffering have happened than by any sword -wally sometime in the early 2000's
I agree, we saw that happen when with a stoke of a pen Biden signed a bill that put thousands of oil workers on the unemployment line.
Dan and Wally..... the Chinese commie wants the U.S. government to pay the 30 Trillions dollars interest debts with our OIL in the ground! They want U.S. to STOP pumping their OIL, and we will pay them with Federal lands, steel, lumbers, precious minerals, and so on.... they are coming soon to take most of it BACK to China and Joe B. Administration knows it.
The Chinese did that in Africa and many other countries already! U.S.A. is next...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 0:44:48 GMT -5
I agree, we saw that happen when with a stoke of a pen Biden signed a bill that put thousands of oil workers on the unemployment line.
Dan and Wally..... the Chinese commie wants the U.S. government to pay the 30 Trillions dollars interest debts with our OIL in the ground! They want U.S. to STOP pumping their OIL, and we will pay them with Federal lands, steel, lumbers, precious minerals, and so on.... they are coming soon to take most of it BACK to China and Joe B. Administration knows it.
The Chinese did that in Africa and many other countries already! U.S.A. is next...
i've no doubt the commies have nefarious plans for us, what those exact plans are though is anyone's guess...
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Post by BobWilliston on May 18, 2021 0:57:12 GMT -5
Just imagine if one of the disciples was on record as exclaiming: "HOLY SH!T JESUS!" The official Canon of the Catholic Church would insist that Jesus had been created by God taking a poop and making it come to life just like he made Eve out of a rib bone. All the rest of you braindead Trinitarians would agree, because Jesus did not correct the statement. And you would have to celebrate Christmas every year by smearing feces on your face. You atheists are talking CRAP/B.S again. When will you guys and gals ever submit to God and Jesus? who can SAVE your poor souls from Hades. STOP kicking against the sharp stick! You only get bloodier than hell each time you kick against it.
I thought I was kicking at pricks.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 18, 2021 0:57:40 GMT -5
Curious to know why there is such a vehement opposition to giving workers any training whatsoever. The idea seems completely outdated, and unfair to all parties. Sure, God can guide them, but there's absolutely no doubt that people with a little training perform their jobs so much better than those with none, regardless. I appreciate that this is an inconvenient question, but could someone in a position of authority actually give me an answer that dosent go along the lines of "God is the best teacher"
There's no school (seminary) or training facilities, that would cost a ton of money. A new Worker is generally placed with an older experienced Worker, so consider it on-the-job training.
There are convention grounds everywhere, what would be wrong with using them a couple of weeks a year for worker training and re training so everybody is singing from the same hymn book so to speak? The workers would certainly come back from them feeling a sense of empowerment and mutual support. Or is that not what is wanted? Is the school of hard knocks and tough surprises the preffered route? And you can leave the money bit out. Your chums have plenty of that for things they deem worthy.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 18, 2021 0:59:45 GMT -5
You atheists are talking CRAP/B.S again. When will you guys and gals ever submit to God and Jesus? who can SAVE your poor souls from Hades. STOP kicking against the sharp stick! You only get bloodier than hell each time you kick against it.
I thought I was kicking at pricks. That one always made me chuckle.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 18, 2021 1:01:39 GMT -5
I thought I was kicking at pricks. That one always made me chuckle. There were a couple on my patio yesterday morning that got what they deserved.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 18, 2021 1:04:28 GMT -5
Like Joanna it makes me sad that 43 people are entering into an abnormal lifestyle, needlessly. It could be so different for them if commonsense prevailed. They will have health issues, breakdowns, etc, caused by living in an unnatural way. There biggest problem will be enforced celibacy, due to some unreasonable man made rule. Times have changed, rules need to be changed. I have been there and done that! It was amazing life and experience... You exes or the friends have no experience what the worker's life are like, for me it's worth every minute of it. Yes, there were challenges, stress but the JOY of helping people, seeing them receiving new life are awesome NOT only in this life but the joy continues on the next life after death.
If you were to ask Jesus, right now.... was the unnatural way of life/celibacy that he lived worth it? He would have said I will DO it again, and again! I've had some incredible and amazing life experiences without needing to becoming a Worker.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 1:06:32 GMT -5
Acts 9:5 King James Version 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
You can get a T-shirt with the message "Watch out for Pricks". Maybe an idea for us non-believers to get one.
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2021 1:09:16 GMT -5
Dan and Wally..... the Chinese commie wants the U.S. government to pay the 30 Trillions dollars interest debts with our OIL in the ground! They want U.S. to STOP pumping their OIL, and we will pay them with Federal lands, steel, lumbers, precious minerals, and so on.... they are coming soon to take most of it BACK to China and Joe B. Administration knows it.
The Chinese did that in Africa and many other countries already! U.S.A. is next...
i've no doubt the commies have nefarious plans for us, what those exact plans are though is anyone's guess... I believe Commie China wants U.S. government to join with to go AFTER Russia later on for world #1 Supremacy domination. They try to blame Russia for the Oil disruption back east last week. Obama/Biden Adm. wants to take on Puttin/Russia.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 18, 2021 1:09:51 GMT -5
Acts 9:5 King James Version 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Dare I ask if Jesus was speaking about himself?
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Post by mrdobalina on May 18, 2021 1:10:28 GMT -5
Acts 9:5 King James Version 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said unto Darren, " could you pass the ten mil ring spanner" and Darren said, "sure mate, ratcheting or normal type" and i said unto Darren, "just the regular type for this little bugger mate, there's a bit of room to swing it under here" And Darren did rebuke me saying "somebody has lost the regular one, he must have his hand cut off to show him that it is not acceptable to be losing the tools, and show him no mercy" And I did say unto Darren, "well throw us the ratcheting one for now & we can deal with that once I get this damn starter motor out"
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2021 1:14:05 GMT -5
Acts 9:5 King James Version 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:5 (KJV) The English word pricks comes from the root Greek word kentron. Kentron is sometimes also translated as goads. This word has the idea of a “sharp, pointed projection used in stinging.”[1] The prick or goad was a pointed stick that was used to urge some stubborn animal to move. The stick was made of wood or metal (Judges 3:31; 1 Samuel 13:21). Sometimes the animal refused to move and would kick back at the pointed object and as a result stab itself on the goad or prick.The word kick is translated from the root Greek word laktizo which has the basic meaning of “to hurt by resistance” or “to kick.”[2] Simply put – “to kick against the pricks” implies someone is resisting and in the process is hitting a sharp object. Ouch! A goad was typically a sharp stick or prod used to drive cattle. In the ancient Greek and Roman times, the phrase was a well-known expression indicating that someone was opposing a deity.[3] If we put it all together, we discover that God told Paul that he was only hurting himself in his effort to eliminate Christians. He was unknowingly opposing God.
www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/what-is-meant-by-it-is-hard-for-thee-to-kick-against-the-pricks/
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Post by BobWilliston on May 18, 2021 1:16:04 GMT -5
Acts 9:5 King James Version 5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:5 (KJV) The English word pricks comes from the root Greek word kentron. Kentron is sometimes also translated as goads. This word has the idea of a “sharp, pointed projection used in stinging.”[1] The prick or goad was a pointed stick that was used to urge some stubborn animal to move. The stick was made of wood or metal (Judges 3:31; 1 Samuel 13:21). Sometimes the animal refused to move and would kick back at the pointed object and as a result stab itself on the goad or prick. The word kick is translated from the root Greek word laktizo which has the basic meaning of “to hurt by resistance” or “to kick.”[2] Simply put – “to kick against the pricks” implies someone is resisting and in the process is hitting a sharp object. Ouch! A goad was typically a sharp stick or prod used to drive cattle. In the ancient Greek and Roman times, the phrase was a well-known expression indicating that someone was opposing a deity.[3] If we put it all together, we discover that God told Paul that he was only hurting himself in his effort to eliminate Christians. He was unknowingly opposing God.
www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/what-is-meant-by-it-is-hard-for-thee-to-kick-against-the-pricks/
That never occurred to me. I must not understand metaphors.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 1:17:28 GMT -5
i've no doubt the commies have nefarious plans for us, what those exact plans are though is anyone's guess... I believe Commie China wants U.S. government to join with to go AFTER Russia later on for world #1 Supremacy domination. They try to blame Russia for the Oil disruption back east last week. Obama/Biden Adm. wants to take on Puttin/Russia.
its a messy little web of cat and mouse for sure...
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2021 1:22:24 GMT -5
I have been there and done that! It was amazing life and experience... You exes or the friends have no experience what the worker's life are like, for me it's worth every minute of it. Yes, there were challenges, stress but the JOY of helping people, seeing them receiving new life are awesome NOT only in this life but the joy continues on the next life after death.
If you were to ask Jesus, right now.... was the unnatural way of life/celibacy that he lived worth it? He would have said I will DO it again, and again! I've had some incredible and amazing life experiences without needing to becoming a Worker. Well, all of your amazing life here on earth without God and Christ end at the GRAVE or it doesn't count in the next life. So, you better think again how you want to spent your life here on earth. God will call you standing before Him in the great judgment day to be accountable how you spent your life that He loan it to you? I hope God doesn't say to You, "Depart from me forever, you evil doer!" who wants to LIVE just for yourself, selfishly.Nobody has to be a worker to live amazing life. I have an amazing life where I am, helping people, sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ with people at work and those I come in contact with here on TMB and many places for over 40 years. It's the most rewarding life and experience.
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Post by nathan on May 18, 2021 1:25:24 GMT -5
I believe Commie China wants U.S. government to join with to go AFTER Russia later on for world #1 Supremacy domination. They try to blame Russia for the Oil disruption back east last week. Obama/Biden Adm. wants to take on Puttin/Russia.
its a messy little web of cat and mouse for sure... Yep! When Trump was the President, he did NOT want to fight China and Russia at the same time. He concentrated on China first and leave Russia for later on. It seems Obama/Biden Adm. wants to take BOTH of them/China and Russia at the same time right now! I believe that is a dangerous game plan.
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Post by Dan on May 18, 2021 1:25:47 GMT -5
There's no school (seminary) or training facilities, that would cost a ton of money. A new Worker is generally placed with an older experienced Worker, so consider it on-the-job training.
There are convention grounds everywhere, what would be wrong with using them a couple of weeks a year for worker training and re training so everybody is singing from the same hymn book so to speak? The workers would certainly come back from them feeling a sense of empowerment and mutual support. Or is that not what is wanted? Is the school of hard knocks and tough surprises the preffered route? And you can leave the money bit out. Your chums have plenty of that for things they deem worthy.
They actually do have Worker meetings at conventions. I'm not privy to what they're about though?
You don't need training to be a Worker, most all grew-up in the Truth and are already singing from the same hymn book. The life is the training ground, they aren't sociologist, no preacher is really geared to counsel people on matters outside of biblical instructions. Although, wisdom and experience always count for something.
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