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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 16, 2021 13:23:41 GMT -5
There ought to be a requirement for a police check on these characters. How many of them will go on to offend against the innocent or shag your wife or husband given a chance.
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Post by Dan on May 16, 2021 14:06:49 GMT -5
How do you become a Catholic priest? In the United States, priests must have a four-year university degree in philosophy plus an additional four to five years of graduate-level seminary formation in theology with a focus on Biblical research. A Master of Divinity is the most common degree.
Is that the type of education that assures biblical adherence and no CSA?
Most religious education is about indoctrination into a specific denomination, whether its the LDS or SDA, its all about the teaching and acceptance of non-bliblical prophets like Joseph Smith or Ellen White. Imo, the scripture lawyers with doctorates in theology add confusion and unnecessary complexity to the simple Truth. And you don't need a degree in psychology or counseling to spread the gospel message.
(1) Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) - the church that had forsaken its first love (2:4).
(2) Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) - the church that would suffer persecution (2:10).
(3) Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) - the church that needed to repent (2:16).
(4) Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) - the church that had a false prophetess (2:20).
(5) Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) - the church that had fallen asleep (3:2).
(6) Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) - the church that had endured patiently (3:10).
(7) Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22) - the church with the lukewarm faith (3:16).
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Post by openingact34 on May 16, 2021 14:25:14 GMT -5
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Post by CherieKropp on May 16, 2021 17:07:37 GMT -5
[NORTH AMERICA total: 23]
HAITI - 2 Wanchine Lormé Germaine Desgranges
CANADA - 7 Cindy Lynn Harper - British Columbia Sarah Barclay - British Columbia Edward Emberton - British Columbia - NOTE: Edward Emberton isn't from BC--he's English. He also isn’t a "new" worker. He left the work for a while and re-entered in British Columbia. Ben Collyer - Alberta Kel Olson - Alberta Lyndsey Schroeder - Alberta Tyrone Munro - Saskatchewan
USA - 14 Ted Foster - California / AZ Oralea Shannon - CA / Arizona Molly Benjamin - Oregon Tristen Locke - Oregon Alexis Carrier - Oregon Miranda Quick - Minnesota Jenna Pfingsten - Montana / Wyoming Claire Klepzig - Georgia / Florida Lyle Fisher - Nebraska / Kansas Emily Jo Behrend - Iowa Kirstin Jakobus - Michigan Nyana Thompson - South Carolina Antonia Reynolds - New Hampshire Leah Klepzig - Illinois / Indiana
Alexis Beecham - Montana. She had volunteered for the work and was waiting, when her life was suddenly taken away in November 2020 by a car accident on a snowy road near Kalispell, Montana. She was 20 years old, and she was keeping her life available for His calling. This family moved from Colorado to Montana about 15 years ago.
CENTRAL AMERICA - 1 Ana Laura Olivares - Mexico
SOUTH AMERICA - 1 Lourdes Macas Pindo - Ecuador
ASIA - 4 Yeon-shil Jo - Korea Riza Romez - Philippines Roxy - Far East Reisa Supit - Indonesia
EUROPE- 4 Carla Brits - Germany Rachel Landen - Ireland Eirunn Bardal - Norway Taras Tokarchuk - Ukraine
AFRICA - 1 Nonthokozo Shongwe - South Africa
AUSTRALIA - 7 Harry Fiddymont - Western Australia Kaitlin Blanch - Queensland Kyle Oxenbridge - Queensland Alice Melville - Queensland Susanna Melville - Queensland Emily Staples - Victoria Zoe Rohrlach - Victoria
NEW ZEALAND - 2 Jacob Stewart Amanda Roberts
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Post by mountain on May 16, 2021 17:10:33 GMT -5
A Minister needs to be more than an Evangelist. Proper Missionaries have special training. IMO Workers are not trained to be Pastor, Sociologist, Teacher/Professor, Writer, Chaplain, or Counsellor. They are very important qualifications in caring for people. These qualifications can only be obtained by attending a Theological College, they cannot be obtained by reading the Bible. The way it was done in the first century, is not suitable for our time. Completely different life style. We no longer get around on our Ass. If you want to become a Sociologist, get a degree in Sociology. If you want to become a Teacher, get a degree in Education. If you want to become a Writer, get a degree in Communications or Literature or something similar. If you want to become a Counsellor, get a degree in Counseling and Psychology. "Education" in religious mumbo-jumbo is not an acceptable substitute for those in a real field. Can we let doctors go to skip Medical School and go to Theological College because Jesus is supposedly the "Great Physician"? Can we let marine engineers skip engineering school and just study Noah's ark for a while in their "Bible College"? The Holy Spirit teaches the preachers and followers of Christ. The Holy Ghost does not issue diplomas or other educational certificates, BUT the Holy Ghost does ensure those who meet the required standard have their names entered in the great register of qualified servants.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 17:17:42 GMT -5
[NORTH AMERICA total: 23] Haiti - 2 Wanchine Lormé Germaine Desgranges Canada - 7 Cindy Lynn Harper - British Columbia Sarah Barclay - British Columbia Edward Emberton - British Columbia - NOTE: Edward Emberton isn't from BC--he's English. He also isn’t a "new" worker. He left the work for a while and re-entered in British Columbia. Ben Collyer - Alberta Kel Olson - Alberta Lyndsey Schroeder - Alberta Tyrone Munro - Saskatchewan USA - 14 Ted Foster - California / AZ Oralea Shannon - CA / Arizona Molly Benjamin - Oregon Tristen Locke - Oregon Alexis Carrier - Oregon Miranda Quick - Minnesota Jenna Pfingsten - Montana / Wyoming Claire Klepzig - Georgia / Florida Lyle Fisher - Nebraska / Kansas Emily Jo Behrend - Iowa Kirstin Jakobus - Michigan Nyana Thompson - South Carolina Antonia Reynolds - New Hampshire Leah Klepzig - Illinois / Indiana Alexis Beecham - Montana She had volunteered for the work and was waiting, when her life was suddenly taken away in November 2020 by a car accident on a snowy road near Kalispell, Montana. She was 20 years old, and she was keeping her life available for His calling. This family moved from Colorado to Montana about 15 years ago. CENTRAL AMERICA - 1 Ana Laura Olivares - Mexico SOUTH AMERICA - 1 Lourdes Macas Pindo - Ecuador ASIA - 4 Yeon-shil Jo - Korea Riza Romez - Philippines Roxy - Far East Reisa Supit - Indonesia EUROPE- 4 Carla Brits - Germany Rachel Landen - Ireland Eirunn Bardal - Norway Taras Tokarchuk - Ukraine AFRICA - 1 Nonthokozo Shongwe - South Africa AUSTRALIA - 7 Harry Fiddymont - Western Australia Kaitlin Blanch - Queensland Kyle Oxenbridge - Queensland Alice Melville - Queensland Susanna Melville - Queensland Emily Staples - Victoria Zoe Rohrlach - Victoria NEW ZEALAND - 2 Jacob Stewart Amanda Roberts interesting, i asked the source(M)of the list for permission to post the names publicly and got a NO, so i know you didn't get permission from them to post this...what was it that drove you to do it anyways?
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Post by speak on May 16, 2021 17:35:34 GMT -5
Christ is the best teacher. Thats got to win some kind of prize for the most vacuous, face palm post in the history of the internet. I tried it in a number of voices, putting the emphasis on different words, so don't think I'm not putting in some effort here. weird
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Post by speak on May 16, 2021 17:39:47 GMT -5
If you want to become a Sociologist, get a degree in Sociology. If you want to become a Teacher, get a degree in Education. If you want to become a Writer, get a degree in Communications or Literature or something similar. If you want to become a Counsellor, get a degree in Counseling and Psychology. "Education" in religious mumbo-jumbo is not an acceptable substitute for those in a real field. Can we let doctors go to skip Medical School and go to Theological College because Jesus is supposedly the "Great Physician"? Can we let marine engineers skip engineering school and just study Noah's ark for a while in their "Bible College"? The Holy Spirit teaches the preachers and followers of Christ. The Holy Ghost does not issue diplomas or other educational certificates, BUT the Holy Ghost does ensure those who meet the required standard have their names entered in the great register of qualified servants. Some just don't understand that the Holy Spirit has more knowledge and understanding than of all mankind put together.
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Post by speak on May 16, 2021 17:42:06 GMT -5
in 2020 43 new people went into the work across the world. apparently that is 30% more than in the previous year... i'll see if i can get permission to post the names and places they all went out from... For context there are about 4,100,000 Christian congregations in the world They are only Christian if they do as God says.
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Post by mrdobalina on May 16, 2021 18:17:09 GMT -5
Thats got to win some kind of prize for the most vacuous, face palm post in the history of the internet. I tried it in a number of voices, putting the emphasis on different words, so don't think I'm not putting in some effort here. weird Not as weird as trusting an imaginary teacher. I think you need to read my last post on the previous page to get an idea of what i think of leaving it all up to Jesus. Going in cold & expecting Jesus to pick up the pieces is fairly hard on jesus too. Take some personal responsibility guys.
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Post by intelchips on May 16, 2021 18:25:52 GMT -5
The Holy Spirit teaches the preachers and followers of Christ. The Holy Ghost does not issue diplomas or other educational certificates, BUT the Holy Ghost does ensure those who meet the required standard have their names entered in the great register of qualified servants. Some just don't understand that the Holy Spirit has more knowledge and understanding than of all mankind put together. I'm rather slow at understanding things so help me out here please. The word spirit is from the Latin spiritus meaning "breath." Thus we have "exalted breath" hum I'm no better off then when I started out. Come on some of you deep thinkers help me out please.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 16, 2021 19:03:53 GMT -5
Some just don't understand that the Holy Spirit has more knowledge and understanding than of all mankind put together. I'm rather slow at understanding things so help me out here please. The word spirit is from the Latin spiritus meaning "breath." Thus we have "exalted breath" hum I'm no better off then when I started out. Come on some of you deep thinkers help me out please. Exalted breath is when you have not brushed, or gargled for a month or three.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 19:29:55 GMT -5
I don't get that any Human can have the Holy Spirit. If there is a God that Spirit would only belong to God, no mortal could possess it, that would make them equal to God. Not possible.
The Holy Spirit is referred to as the Lord and Giver of Life in the Nicene creed. God is The Creator Spirit, present before the creation of the Universe and through God's power everything was made in Jesus Christ, by God the Father. Christian hymns such as Veni Creator Spiritus reflect this belief.
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Post by speak on May 16, 2021 20:03:13 GMT -5
Not as weird as trusting an imaginary teacher. I think you need to read my last post on the previous page to get an idea of what i think of leaving it all up to Jesus. Going in cold & expecting Jesus to pick up the pieces is fairly hard on jesus too. Take some personal responsibility guys. Not imaginary to me.
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Post by speak on May 16, 2021 20:04:09 GMT -5
I don't get that any Human can have the Holy Spirit. If there is a God that Spirit would only belong to God, no mortal could possess it, that would make them equal to God. Not possible. The Holy Spirit is referred to as the Lord and Giver of Life in the Nicene creed. God is The Creator Spirit, present before the creation of the Universe and through God's power everything was made in Jesus Christ, by God the Father. Christian hymns such as Veni Creator Spiritus reflect this belief. Absolutely not possible with human thinking.
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Post by speak on May 16, 2021 20:06:04 GMT -5
Some just don't understand that the Holy Spirit has more knowledge and understanding than of all mankind put together. I'm rather slow at understanding things so help me out here please. The word spirit is from the Latin spiritus meaning "breath." Thus we have "exalted breath" hum I'm no better off then when I started out. Come on some of you deep thinkers help me out please. Nothing to do deep thinking it will only you into a maze. Think about having a childlike spirit and then you might start getting somewhere.
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Post by speak on May 16, 2021 20:06:53 GMT -5
I'm rather slow at understanding things so help me out here please. The word spirit is from the Latin spiritus meaning "breath." Thus we have "exalted breath" hum I'm no better off then when I started out. Come on some of you deep thinkers help me out please. Exalted breath is when you have not brushed, or gargled for a month or three. Bromley
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Post by intelchips on May 16, 2021 20:12:37 GMT -5
I'm rather slow at understanding things so help me out here please. The word spirit is from the Latin spiritus meaning "breath." Thus we have "exalted breath" hum I'm no better off then when I started out. Come on some of you deep thinkers help me out please. Nothing to do deep thinking it will only you into a maze. Think about having a childlike spirit and then you might start getting somewhere. oh oh you just got trapped in your own trap. When I was a child I did childish things . . . . and so on.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 20:31:19 GMT -5
I don't get that any Human can have the Holy Spirit. If there is a God that Spirit would only belong to God, no mortal could possess it, that would make them equal to God. Not possible. The Holy Spirit is referred to as the Lord and Giver of Life in the Nicene creed. God is The Creator Spirit, present before the creation of the Universe and through God's power everything was made in Jesus Christ, by God the Father. Christian hymns such as Veni Creator Spiritus reflect this belief. Absolutely not possible with human thinking. I am glad you agree, Humans could never have the mind of God, if there is one. We are restricted to the mind we have been given and the extent of our IQ. In Jewish culture for example, God is not defined as an entity (i.e. having properties). God is 'defined' as what transcends time and space and all limited human paradigms and categorizations, and in that way God transcends definition altogether. In that sense we are left with no property that can be given.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 21:00:27 GMT -5
I don't get that any Human can have the Holy Spirit. If there is a God that Spirit would only belong to God, no mortal could possess it, that would make them equal to God. Not possible. The Holy Spirit is referred to as the Lord and Giver of Life in the Nicene creed. God is The Creator Spirit, present before the creation of the Universe and through God's power everything was made in Jesus Christ, by God the Father. Christian hymns such as Veni Creator Spiritus reflect this belief. being possessed or filled with the Holy Spirit doesn't actually mean YOU ARE the Holy Spirit. acts 2, acts 13, rom 8, gal 5, eph. 3, eph. 5, 1 pe. 4.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on May 16, 2021 21:05:37 GMT -5
Exalted breath is when you have not brushed, or gargled for a month or three. Bromley Yep, without a doubt.
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Post by speak on May 16, 2021 21:11:53 GMT -5
Absolutely not possible with human thinking. I am glad you agree, Humans could never have the mind of God, if there is one. We are restricted to the mind we have been given and the extent of our IQ. In Jewish culture for example, God is not defined as an entity (i.e. having properties). God is 'defined' as what transcends time and space and all limited human paradigms and categorizations, and in that way God transcends definition altogether. In that sense we are left with no property that can be given. 1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
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Post by speak on May 16, 2021 21:14:36 GMT -5
Nothing to do deep thinking it will only you into a maze. Think about having a childlike spirit and then you might start getting somewhere. oh oh you just got trapped in your own trap. When I was a child I did childish things . . . . and so on. Childlike and childish are not the same thing.
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Post by chuck on May 16, 2021 21:39:15 GMT -5
A Minister usually needs extensive training. Most churches require their Ministers to earn at least a bachelor's or master's degree in divinity, usually from a divinity school. Some Churches now require their ministers to earn a doctoral degree. Careers for Christian Ministers. Pastor. Sociologist. Teacher/Professor. Writer. Chaplain. Counselor. Missionary. Evangelist. that is not how it went in the 1st century for either the 12 or the 70.... Were do you think Jesus was between the age of 12-30. They didn't just slap a Rabbi tag on anyone, particularly one with authority. Edit, and to add to that I bet 99%+ of workers would never have met the standards of a Rabbi or his student.
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Post by xna on May 16, 2021 21:44:35 GMT -5
For context there are about 4,100,000 Christian congregations in the world They are only Christian if they do as God says. I suspect most of those 4,100,000 Christian congregations also think those other congregations are not true Christians either because they don’t do as god says.
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Post by BobWilliston on May 16, 2021 21:52:33 GMT -5
How are we to know? After he got himself lost in the temple they never told anyone what he did. The episode is described in Luke 2:41–52. Jesus at the age of twelve accompanies Mary and Joseph, and a large group of their relatives and friends to Jerusalem on pilgrimage, "according to the custom" – that is, Passover. On the day of their return, Jesus "lingered" /stayed in the Temple, but Mary and Joseph thought that he was among their group when he wasn't. Mary and Joseph headed back home and after a day of travel realised Jesus was missing, so they returned to Jerusalem, finding Jesus three days later.[2] He was found in The Temple in discussion with the elders. They were amazed at his learning, especially given his young age. When admonished by Mary, Jesus replied: "How is it that you sought me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finding_in_the_TempleYoung brat.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 16, 2021 21:54:09 GMT -5
There are a number of issues that I would not be averse to the Workers having some formal training in. This is because "learn from the older companion" system can also be learning of bad habits.
For example, the subject of death. I have seen appalling behaviour around a dying professing person, with absolutely no comfort given to the dying person, who was taking his last breaths. When the workers were offered the chance to have some quiet time, pray with the person, offer comfort etc, they declined. They were far more comfortable with "meeting stories" such as, who was going where for conventions.
Some form of training in protocols on this subject would not go amiss. (In saying, you would also think it would be common sense, but, in some people, it is sadly lacking)
I would also point out, that in my own father's death a few weeks ago, the sister workers were exemplary in what they did, and I could not have wished for anyone or anything better.
Marriage issues, dealing with transgender and gay issues etc, are domains for the professionals, but because many folk in their misplaced ideals seek the workers' input, then some form of professional training would also not go amiss.
Saying "the Holy Spirit is the best teacher" does not cut it with me, and is more often than not a cop-out for doing nothing, or simply reinforcing a bias, or preconceived position, or worse still, continuing a bad habit that has been ill-advisedly taught.
I am not suggesting that workers should be professionally trained and used in place of professionals, but that some form of proper training might help some to be more useful, and be able to contribute usefully to any of the situations where they would otherwise fall short.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 21:55:26 GMT -5
The Mind, The Brain, and God. www.rickhanson.net/articles/positive-neuroplasticity/mind-brain-god/© Rick Hanson, Ph.D. 2010 With all the research on mind/brain connections these days – Your brain in lust or love! While gambling or feeling envious! While meditating, praying, or having an out-of-body experience! – it’s natural to wonder about Big Questions about the relationships among the mind, the brain, and God. For instance, some people have taken the findings that some spiritual experiences have neural correlates to mean that the hand of God is at work in the brain. Others have interpreted the same research to mean that spiritual experiences are “just” neural, and thus evidence against the existence of God or other supernatural forces. These debates are updated versions of longstanding philosophical and religious wrestlings with how God and nature might or might not intertwine. What’s your own gut view, right now, as a kind of snapshot: Do you think that God is involved in some way in your thoughts and feelings? In your most intimate sense of being? In this essay, we’ll explore what mind, brain, and God could be, how they might interact, and what studies on the neuropsychology of spiritual experiences can – and cannot – tell us. Summing Up To be clear: I am not asserting that there is or is not God; nor am I asserting that, if God exists, he/she/it/none-of-the-above plays a role in mind, consciousness, or morality. I am asserting that attempts to draw inferences from neuropsychology about God’s existence or role in human affairs are usually a waste of time. At most such inferences can refute a particular theory about God’s role in life – such as God is necessary for human morality, or for the existence of our species altogether. But that leaves all sorts of other theories about God that are not yet disproved – as well as the fundamental matter that God is by definition categorically outside the realm of proofs or disproofs within the material universe. God may or may not exist. You have to find your own beliefs in that regard – and brain science will not help you.
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