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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 20:00:50 GMT -5
I told you already, Witch. You don't know, or understand and can't SEE the WHOLE picture of God and Christ plan for my life. I didn't fail but according to you I did, I've succeeded beyond my expectation and wildest dreams. God is wiser than men, He knows the future so, people must learn to TRUST Him and His leading.
DON'T judge the book by its cover. The English idiom "don't judge a book by its cover" is a metaphorical phrase that means one shouldn't prejudge the worth or value of something by its outward appearance alone. For example, "That man may look very small/Paul and insignificant, but don't judge a book by its cover – he's a very powerful man in God's circle".
I have accomplished a lot of God's work AFTER I left the work, than when I was a worker. God has blessed me so much, the 100 folds gain that Jesus talked about in Matthew 19.
It's true that we shouldn't judge a book by the cover. The cover of one respected overseer wouldn't ever give a hint of the sister worker he got pregnant, sent to another country, reported she'd been raped shortly after arriving, and left the work to care for her child. Nor would the cover show the elder of the meeting who was excommunicated after observing a strong resemblance between the child and said overseer. The cover shows what the friends need to see. A respected, wise and of course celibate senior worker. That overseer should have stepped down from the ministry and settled down and care for his family and there is NOTHING wrong with that. We have married workers own convention grounds, become church elders, and have open homes for the workers, and be lights where they are.
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 20:07:27 GMT -5
26 times dung is mentioned in the OT and the NT. we all know what process creates that right?...look it up mat 15 and mar 7 Christ give a brief synopsis of taking a "dump"... read your bible atheist... I did wally, Jesus never said he took a dump. He was not talking about himself. Just like he never said he was married or had a wife ect. I really don't see what the issue is if he did had a wife or whatever.....but it matters because religion......
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Post by janj on Feb 12, 2021 20:26:07 GMT -5
Nothing, nada , so far from scripture or otherwise that would be evidence to make a persuasive “argument “ to change anybody’s belief bias on Jesus marital status . Fair enough Reminds me of a conversation I had with a priest , a friend , who has high position , (very similar to overseer in F&w church group) in the Catholic Church , who of course is “celibate “ I challenged him to show me verses in the Bible to “prove” why celibacy is a requirement for him , as a priest . Oh , he said , there is NO scripture that would require me to not be married . It is simply a discipline of the church and I’m willing to comply with that discipline . That , for myself , was a fair and honest answer , satisfying my question. He , with his original career goal and understanding of being a lawyer , had my respect in that honesty, and interpretation of “the law” he was subjecting himself to - the Catholic Church . I think that would be , likewise , an honest answer for workers . It is not a scriptural “law “ or pattern of discipleship at all, but simply a discipline of out particular church and we feel it has some advantages . Alvin I was present when an overseer was asked that question. He said "obviously it's not doctrine, because we have had some wonderful married workers, but it is practical" He went on to elaborate and it sounded pretty sensible to me. As for workers not being celibate when they should be?Just because someone is something-,a worker, a priest, a policeman, a lawyer....doesn't mean they are all going to behave like they should. As long as there's humans there'll be people doing what they shouldn't,including lying to cover their wrong. Its not right but it's life.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 20:31:03 GMT -5
26 times dung is mentioned in the OT and the NT. we all know what process creates that right?...look it up mat 15 and mar 7 Christ give a brief synopsis of taking a "dump"... read your bible atheist... I did wally, Jesus never said he took a dump. He was not talking about himself. Just like he never said he was married or had a wife ect. I really don't see what the issue is if he did had a wife or whatever.....but it matters because religion...... Jesus didn't say he had a wife because he NEVER did! In the gospels it mention of Jesus family and they NEVER mention of his wife was ever with them, NOT once... If Jesus had a wife, don't you think his wife would have been accompanying with them or stand by the Cross with Mary, the mother of Jesus.Mark 3:31-35 31Then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you." "Who are my mother and my brothers?" he asked. Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother." Matthew 12:46-50 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 20:41:15 GMT -5
26 times dung is mentioned in the OT and the NT. we all know what process creates that right?...look it up mat 15 and mar 7 Christ give a brief synopsis of taking a "dump"... read your bible atheist... I did wally, Jesus never said he took a dump. He was not talking about himself. Just like he never said he was married or had a wife ect. I really don't see what the issue is if he did had a wife or whatever.....but it matters because religion...... i never said it said HE took a dump. I said HE talked about the PROCESS of taking a dump. but if one were einstein one might draw some conclusions that if he talked about it he must have been familiar with it...good try though atheist...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 22:36:06 GMT -5
It's true that we shouldn't judge a book by the cover. The cover of one respected overseer wouldn't ever give a hint of the sister worker he got pregnant, sent to another country, reported she'd been raped shortly after arriving, and left the work to care for her child. Nor would the cover show the elder of the meeting who was excommunicated after observing a strong resemblance between the child and said overseer. The cover shows what the friends need to see. A respected, wise and of course celibate senior worker. That overseer should have stepped down from the ministry and settled down and care for his family and there is NOTHING wrong with that. We have married workers own convention grounds, become church elders, and have open homes for the workers, and be lights where they are.
I agree. As it is, there's a grown child who has never known his father, and a deadbeat dad who is idolized and respected. Better that than bringing shame to the true sent ministry though.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 22:41:20 GMT -5
That overseer should have stepped down from the ministry and settled down and care for his family and there is NOTHING wrong with that. We have married workers own convention grounds, become church elders, and have open homes for the workers, and be lights where they are.
I agree. As it is, there's a grown child who has never known his father, and a deadbeat dad who is idolized and respected. Better that than bringing shame to the true sent ministry though. Were you thinking of William Irvine's son who he had BEFORE he became a 2x2 Faith Mission preacher? I agree, I hope WI got in touch with his son while he was a worker! and I hope he did after he left the 2x2s in 1917.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 12, 2021 23:20:37 GMT -5
I told you already, Witch. You don't know, or understand and can't SEE the WHOLE picture of God and Christ plan for my life. I didn't fail but according to you I did, I've succeeded beyond my expectation and wildest dreams. God is wiser than men, He knows the future so, people must learn to TRUST Him and His leading.
DON'T judge the book by its cover. The English idiom "don't judge a book by its cover" is a metaphorical phrase that means one shouldn't prejudge the worth or value of something by its outward appearance alone. For example, "That man may look very small/Paul and insignificant, but don't judge a book by its cover – he's a very powerful man in God's circle".
I have accomplished a lot of God's work AFTER I left the work, than when I was a worker. God has blessed me so much, the 100 folds gain that Jesus talked about in Matthew 19.
It's true that we shouldn't judge a book by the cover. The cover of one respected overseer wouldn't ever give a hint of the sister worker he got pregnant, sent to another country, reported she'd been raped shortly after arriving, and left the work to care for her child. Nor would the cover show the elder of the meeting who was excommunicated after observing a strong resemblance between the child and said overseer. The cover shows what the friends need to see. A respected, wise and of course celibate senior worker. I know one just like that.
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 23:48:12 GMT -5
I did wally, Jesus never said he took a dump. He was not talking about himself. Just like he never said he was married or had a wife ect. I really don't see what the issue is if he did had a wife or whatever.....but it matters because religion...... Jesus didn't say he had a wife because he NEVER did! In the gospels it mention of Jesus family and they NEVER mention of his wife was ever with them, NOT once... If Jesus had a wife, don't you think his wife would have been accompanying with them or stand by the Cross with Mary, the mother of Jesus.Mark 3:31-35 31Then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you." "Who are my mother and my brothers?" he asked. Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother." Matthew 12:46-50 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." Thanks for making my point, he also doesn't say once that he took a dump.... does that mean he didn't take a dump.... He might have been casual with Mary Magdaline. I know that will blow your circuitry but only because religion. Im not sure what it matters...... Oh that's right, it matters because those that dont see it like you will burn.......
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 23:52:06 GMT -5
Jesus didn't say he had a wife because he NEVER did! In the gospels it mention of Jesus family and they NEVER mention of his wife was ever with them, NOT once... If Jesus had a wife, don't you think his wife would have been accompanying with them or stand by the Cross with Mary, the mother of Jesus.Mark 3:31-35 31Then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you." "Who are my mother and my brothers?" he asked. Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother." Matthew 12:46-50 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." Thanks for making my point, he also doesn't say once that he took a dump.... does that mean he didn't take a dump.... He might have been casual with Mary Magdaline. I know that will blow your circuitry but only because religion. Im not sure what it matters...... Oh that's right, it matters because those that dont see it like you will burn....... Oh, that is a nasty thing to say about your God and Savior Jesus Christ there, Chuck. You are an atheist for sure! Only an atheist think of that, Chuck.
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 23:54:49 GMT -5
I did wally, Jesus never said he took a dump. He was not talking about himself. Just like he never said he was married or had a wife ect. I really don't see what the issue is if he did had a wife or whatever.....but it matters because religion...... i never said it said HE took a dump. I said HE talked about the PROCESS of taking a dump. but if one were einstein one might draw some conclusions that if he talked about it he must have been familiar with it...good try though atheist... You and Nathan are making my point obvious. Just because the text does or does not say he had a wife ect, dont make crap up to fit your religious agenda. Paul actually called your style of religion dung!. Only in his day he could and did send people to the grave, today yourself and Nathan can luckily only think us to the burning hot place. Luckily Paul woke up to what he was doing, when will you....
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 23:59:39 GMT -5
i never said it said HE took a dump. I said HE talked about the PROCESS of taking a dump. but if one were einstein one might draw some conclusions that if he talked about it he must have been familiar with it...good try though atheist... You and Nathan are making my point obvious. Just because the text does or does not say he had a wife ect, dont make crap up to fit your religious agenda. Paul actually called your style of religion dung!. Only in his day he could and did send people to the grave, today yourself and Nathan can luckily only think us to the burning hot place. Luckily Paul woke up to what he was doing, when will you.... Jesus wife doesn't mentioned in the New Testament then don't say he had a wife/Mary Magdalene in secret. Prove it, where does it say Jesus had a wife? Can you do that.
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Post by chuck on Feb 13, 2021 0:00:15 GMT -5
Thanks for making my point, he also doesn't say once that he took a dump.... does that mean he didn't take a dump.... He might have been casual with Mary Magdaline. I know that will blow your circuitry but only because religion. Im not sure what it matters...... Oh that's right, it matters because those that dont see it like you will burn....... Oh, that is a nasty thing to say about your God and Savior Jesus Christ there, Chuck. You are an atheist for sure! Only an atheist think of that, Chuck.
What is so offensive about mutal affection between 2 adults that haven't adhered to your standards!....... Your whole problem is no one is worthy of your acceptance unless they see it like you. Jesus went about wrecking that way of life, it was bringing hell...... Its always about you Nathan..... Christ come to save you from yourself, why dont you trust in Christ, the Character of Christ lived out in your life doesn't blow a fuse at the idea of 2 adults enjoying intimacy that haven't performed your rituals/traditions/standards!
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Post by chuck on Feb 13, 2021 0:01:31 GMT -5
You and Nathan are making my point obvious. Just because the text does or does not say he had a wife ect, dont make crap up to fit your religious agenda. Paul actually called your style of religion dung!. Only in his day he could and did send people to the grave, today yourself and Nathan can luckily only think us to the burning hot place. Luckily Paul woke up to what he was doing, when will you.... Jesus wife doesn't mentioned in the New Testament then don't say he had a wife.I didn't say he did, Geez what is it with you and wally. Can't you understand anything. It also doesn't say he didn't......
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 0:05:54 GMT -5
Jesus wife doesn't mentioned in the New Testament then don't say he had a wife. I didn't say he did, Geez what is it with you and wally. Can't you understand anything. It also doesn't say he didn't...... Then why don't you leave it alone, when the scriptures he did NOT and Jesus didn't say he had a wife either.
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Post by chuck on Feb 13, 2021 0:26:05 GMT -5
I didn't say he did, Geez what is it with you and wally. Can't you understand anything. It also doesn't say he didn't...... Then why don't you leave it alone, when the scriptures he did NOT and Jesus didn't say he had a wife either.Ill leave it alone when you stop using unscriptual things as filling for your argument. FWIW I think it was unlikely he had a wife, but that was never the point or issue. And if he did it still wouldn't make any difference and I still wouldn't think any different about Christ. You and wally on the other hand........it would ruin your life literally if Christ and Mary Magdalene did anything outside YOUR standards.......that my friend is religion.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 13, 2021 0:44:39 GMT -5
Jesus didn't say he had a wife because he NEVER did! In the gospels it mention of Jesus family and they NEVER mention of his wife was ever with them, NOT once... If Jesus had a wife, don't you think his wife would have been accompanying with them or stand by the Cross with Mary, the mother of Jesus.Mark 3:31-35 31Then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you." "Who are my mother and my brothers?" he asked. Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother." Matthew 12:46-50 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." Thanks for making my point, he also doesn't say once that he took a dump.... does that mean he didn't take a dump.... He might have been casual with Mary Magdaline. I know that will blow your circuitry but only because religion. Im not sure what it matters...... Oh that's right, it matters because those that dont see it like you will burn....... There are some people who actually believe that Jesus never did take a dump -- because he was "holy". I didn't bother to learn anything more about it because I thought they were freaky fanatics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 0:51:06 GMT -5
i never said it said HE took a dump. I said HE talked about the PROCESS of taking a dump. but if one were einstein one might draw some conclusions that if he talked about it he must have been familiar with it...good try though atheist... You and Nathan are making my point obvious. Just because the text does or does not say he had a wife ect, dont make crap up to fit your religious agenda. Paul actually called your style of religion dung!. Only in his day he could and did send people to the grave, today yourself and Nathan can luckily only think us to the burning hot place. Luckily Paul woke up to what he was doing, when will you.... i see you can't refute what i said on "dump" so you babble...good luck with that you are gonna need it... it doesn't matter if you have a point when your points are corrupt and false. Christ almost mentioned you by name when he said "ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.". i've never used the term "if you don't see it like me you will burn". you are the non-believer here. hopefully you will have a "road to damascus" wake up moment that actually sticks before its too late...continue to do your atheistic proselytizing all you want(hopefully no one falls for it) good try though atheist...
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 0:51:34 GMT -5
Then why don't you leave it alone, when the scriptures he did NOT and Jesus didn't say he had a wife either. Ill leave it alone when you stop using unscriptual things as filling for your argument. FWIW I think it was unlikely he had a wife, but that was never the point or issue. And if he did it still wouldn't make any difference and I still wouldn't think any different about Christ. You and wally on the other hand........it would ruin your life literally if Christ and Mary Magdalene did anything outside YOUR standards.......that my friend is religion. Jesus was NOT married for a good reason as an Itinerant preacher of the gospel to be an example to His men and woman apostles, to follow His example for the sake of the kingdom of God! for the next 2000 years. Here you come along and said he had casual relationship with Mary Magdalene that is blasphemy!
Chuck, you just like to argue with your nonsense!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 0:54:08 GMT -5
Thanks for making my point, he also doesn't say once that he took a dump.... does that mean he didn't take a dump.... He might have been casual with Mary Magdaline. I know that will blow your circuitry but only because religion. Im not sure what it matters...... Oh that's right, it matters because those that dont see it like you will burn....... Oh, that is a nasty thing to say about your God and Savior Jesus Christ there, Chuck. You are an atheist for sure! Only an atheist think of that, Chuck.
the more he speaks the bigger hole he digs for himself. pretty sad...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 0:58:09 GMT -5
Ill leave it alone when you stop using unscriptual things as filling for your argument. FWIW I think it was unlikely he had a wife, but that was never the point or issue. And if he did it still wouldn't make any difference and I still wouldn't think any different about Christ. You and wally on the other hand........it would ruin your life literally if Christ and Mary Magdalene did anything outside YOUR standards.......that my friend is religion. Jesus was NOT married for a good reason as an Itinerant preacher of the gospel to be an example to His men and woman apostles, to follow His example for the sake of the kingdom of God! for the next 2000 years. Here you come along and said he had casual relationship with Mary Magdalene that is blasphemy!
Chuck, you just like to argue with your nonsense!
does he even offer anything that could be remotely considered valuable anymore about christianty or judaism? he should stick to politics he actually seems to know a few good things about that...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 1:03:40 GMT -5
I agree. As it is, there's a grown child who has never known his father, and a deadbeat dad who is idolized and respected. Better that than bringing shame to the true sent ministry though. Were you thinking of William Irvine's son who he had BEFORE he became a 2x2 Faith Mission preacher? I agree, I hope WI got in touch with his son while he was a worker! and I hope he did after he left the 2x2s in 1917.
nope. These folks are still alive and well.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 13, 2021 1:04:08 GMT -5
Oh, that is a nasty thing to say about your God and Savior Jesus Christ there, Chuck. You are an atheist for sure! Only an atheist think of that, Chuck.
the more he speaks the bigger hole he digs for himself. pretty sad... You mean like the holes you and nathan dig, @wally ? You are both so "full of your own self righteosness" !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 1:11:16 GMT -5
the more he speaks the bigger hole he digs for himself. pretty sad... You mean like the holes you and nathan dig, @wally ? You are both so "full of your own self righteosness" ! you need to update your comebacks. they are not all that good since you just seem to parrot back what was already said....good try though
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 13, 2021 1:15:03 GMT -5
You mean like the holes you and nathan dig, @wally ? You are both so "full of your own self righteosness" ! you need to update your comebacks. they are not all that good since you just seem to parrot back what was already said....good try though Well maybe I having been reading too many of your posts...that keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again, "good try though" ! But that doesn't change the fact that you have dug your own hole @wally !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 1:23:35 GMT -5
you need to update your comebacks. they are not all that good since you just seem to parrot back what was already said....good try though Well maybe I having been reading too many of your posts...that keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again, "good try though" ! But that doesn't change the fact that you have dug your own hole @wally ! which hole is that? as a believer it couldn't even come close to the hole that you and chuck have dug for yourselves....good try though
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Post by nathan on Feb 13, 2021 1:40:26 GMT -5
You mean like the holes you and nathan dig, @wally ? You are both so "full of your own self righteosness" ! you need to update your comebacks. they are not all that good since you just seem to parrot back what was already said....good try though RT, stays in the dark then she comes out to jabs, and stabs at us, Wally... then go back in her black hole, wait and wait then Pokes, here and there again.
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Post by Roselyn T on Feb 13, 2021 1:41:20 GMT -5
Well maybe I having been reading too many of your posts...that keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again, "good try though" ! But that doesn't change the fact that you have dug your own hole @wally ! which hole is that? as a believer it couldn't even come close to the hole that you and chuck have dug for yourselves....good try though OMG...talk about a broken record ! Try harder next time @wally !
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