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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 1:19:02 GMT -5
Do you KNOW what a Eunuch is? A eunuch is a man who has been castrated, especially (in the past) one employed to guard China Emperor's queen and many of his concubines living in the king's court. So, the eunuch couldn't have any sexual intercourse with his wives or any of the concubines.
Jesus and His apostles/workers are spiritually castrated their own desires for having families of their own so they can put God's kingdom first. Jesus said, "SEEK ye first the kingdom of God and all these things such as foods, clothing, places to sleep shall be provided for you."Matthew 19: 16-26 Jesus offered the Rich young Ruler a place in the ministry but he didn't want to let go of his wealth so, he refused to become one of his apostles by walking away. Then this is what Peter said Matthew 19:27-29 Then answered Peter and said unto Jesus, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. So... we're going with the "spiritually castrated", "literally celibate and unmarried"? Spiritual castration sounds rather unpleasant. No doubt it takes balls.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 1:22:35 GMT -5
You lost me now , on the spiritual castration . When , where , how was Jesus “spiritually castrated “ ? What is the procedure ? Alvin Eunuch/Celibacy... Jesus was NOT married for the sake of the Kingdom to become Itinerant preacher of the gospel. He wanted to Seek the kingdom of God FIRST for NOT getting married and having his own family and children! You were a 2x2 for many years and didn't understand this?
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 1:24:19 GMT -5
So... we're going with the "spiritually castrated", "literally celibate and unmarried"? Spiritual castration sounds rather unpleasant. No doubt it takes balls. You were a 2x2 and didn't understand this about Jesus and the workers celibacy? Has God taken away you exes your understanding and revelation? and replace you exes with doubting Thomas spirits?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 2:54:15 GMT -5
We were lied to. We thought they were celibate, but unaware what was going on behind closed doors.
But then it is all very natural as intended. Men will be Men, if Woman let them. The precedent was set by the founder WI, who was getting his share all over the World.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 3:28:52 GMT -5
We were lied to. We thought they were celibate, but unaware what was going on behind closed doors. Most of the workers are still stay true to their God's given callings/celibate to SEEK the kingdom of God first than their own careers, having their own families of their own... MANY of the brothers and sisters workers died and stayed unmarried for Christ's sake and God's peopel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 3:32:09 GMT -5
Not true Nathan, just another pretence. You do a survey, the result will surprise you.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 7:42:51 GMT -5
Not true Nathan, just another pretense. You do a survey, the result will surprise you. I have seen the results before my eyes on and off TMB for over 40 years and it was VERY bad in 1990s- 2015 but now it has mellowed out or calmed down because people see the bigger picture than just William Irvine the man, myth and legend as the founder of the 2x2s.
God, Christ and Holy Spirit have been purifying or exposing the tares/CSA, teaching false doctrine Jesus is NOT just a man and smaller god in the ministry. The ministry teaches the people of God around the world that Trinity is the devil doctrine and heresy! Before the returns of Jesus Christ to establish His eternal kingdom with His true believers on earth 1000 years reign. God the Father is the Most High God, the Creator and Christ/God is His Co-Creator of all things! and He is not god with a smaller god either.In Matthew 13 Jesus states the Parable of the Sower and the Parable of the Tares and the Wheat, that in the last days, the separation of the Wheat from the Tares will occur. It appears to indicate that this sifting occurs (Paul foretold the great fallen away! II Thess. 2:9-11) during the judgment period. Paul wrote Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received NOT the love of the TRUTH, that they might be SAVED. And for this cause God shall send them STRONG delusion, that they should believe a lie: Jesus separating the wheat from the tare and those who stand with Him and remain faithful to His Word. Judgment as a harvest, where the wheat and tares are separated and the tares burned, evokes both a message of patience and a reminder of justice. Harvest is a joyful time because for most of human history food was scarce.L.W. explained:
1. The FIELD = WORLD But in this parable, the seed changes. The seed isn't the word, the seed is Jesus' people. The kingdom doesn't advance by the planted word but by the planted people.
2. the SEED = “PEOPLE” i.e. the “SONS of the kingdom.” (Mt 13:38) Meaning? * In the Last Days of Harvest JESUS PLANTS HIS WORD IN KEY PEOPLE, THEN PLANTS PEOPLE IN KEY PLACES! However… * BECAUSE HIS PEOPLE ARE SPIRITUALLY “ASLEEP” TO THE DEVIL'S ACTIVITY, THEY FAIL TO POLICE THEIR OWN TERRITORY.
* AS A RESULT “WRONG PEOPLE” GET INTO THE FIELD ASSIGNED TO THEM!
*THE “SONS” PAY A PRICE FOR BEING ASLEEP TO THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES. AT THE TIME OF THE END THEY HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH THESE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE PLANTED IN THEIR FIELD. PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDER DEMONIC INFLUENCE.
According to this parable the KINGDOM is a PEOPLE PLANTING MOVEMENT! See that? We made it a word or church planting movement. But all that is one step short of what is needed for a harvest of nations. God plants people to advance His will and the devil plants people who will hinder Gods people. They are planted in every sphere where God can be glorified. In the 7 mountains, for instance. MY GOSH! Tell me this isn’t a parable about America and the harvest of your nation in the last days!? Notice, where Christian influence was once planted, the enemy has gotten in and planted his own people and a culture of values driven by whatever makes you the most happy… even if it enslaves a nation in darkness and debt.
What makes the Last Days so stressful in some places is that the wheat and the tares grow up “together” within the loins of potential “sheep nations”. These sheep nations are choked with internal “tares v. wheat” divisions. (Hello!) The ANSWER? God will plant people TOGETHER in KEY PLACES of influence in the seven mountains. The “AWAKENING” we need and the awakening we seek are two DIFFERENT things. I HEAR THE LORD SAYING… “The cry of heaven is ‘Advance' – ‘Don't back down' – ‘OCCUPY TILL I COME' – The harvest of nations is upon you.” “The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares”
Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but WHILE MEN SLEPT, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.”
The Parable of the Tares Explained And His disciples came to Him, saying, “EXPLAIN TO US THE PARABLE of the tares of the field.” He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The FIELD IS THE WORLD, the GOOD SEEDS ARE the SONS of the kingdom, but the tares are the SONS OF THE WICKED ONE. The enemy who sowed them is the DEVIL, the harvest is the END OF THE AGE, and the reapers are the angels.”
(Mathew 13:24-39)
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Post by Annan on Feb 12, 2021 7:56:53 GMT -5
We were lied to. We thought they were celibate, but unaware what was going on behind closed doors. Most of the workers are still stay true to their God's given callings/celibate to SEEK the kingdom of God first than their own careers, having their own families of their own... MANY of the brothers and sisters workers died and stayed unmarried for Christ's sake and God's peopel. *** Except you, failed worker.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 8:03:31 GMT -5
Most of the workers are still stay true to their God's given callings/celibate to SEEK the kingdom of God first than their own careers, having their own families of their own... MANY of the brothers and sisters workers died and stayed unmarried for Christ's sake and God's people. *** Except you, failed worker. I told you already, Witch. You don't know, or understand and can't SEE the WHOLE picture of God and Christ plan for my life. I didn't fail but according to you I did, I've succeeded beyond my expectation and wildest dreams. God is wiser than men, He knows the future so, people must learn to TRUST Him and His leading.
DON'T judge the book by its cover. The English idiom "don't judge a book by its cover" is a metaphorical phrase that means one shouldn't prejudge the worth or value of something by its outward appearance alone. For example, "That man may look very small/Paul and insignificant, but don't judge a book by its cover – he's a very powerful man in God's circle".
I have accomplished a lot of God's work AFTER I left the work, than when I was a worker. God has blessed me so much, the 100 folds gain that Jesus talked about in Matthew 19.
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Post by Annan on Feb 12, 2021 9:57:52 GMT -5
*** Except you, failed worker. I told you already, Witch. You don't know, or understand and can't SEE the WHOLE picture of God and Christ plan for my life. I didn't fail but according to you I did, I've succeeded beyond my expectation and wildest dreams. God is wiser than men, He knows the future so, people must learn to TRUST Him and His leading.
DON'T judge the book by its cover. The English idiom "don't judge a book by its cover" is a metaphorical phrase that means one shouldn't prejudge the worth or value of something by its outward appearance alone. For example, "That man may look very small/Paul and insignificant, but don't judge a book by its cover – he's a very powerful man in God's circle".
I have accomplished a lot of God's work AFTER I left the work, than when I was a worker. God has blessed me so much, the 100 folds gain that Jesus talked about in Matthew 19.
I'm that's how you see it.
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 11:38:22 GMT -5
So NO scripture or ANY evidence whatsoever , but only our own personal biased beliefs , on whether Jesus was married or not ? Alvin So, can you show me Three places; either in the Old New Testament scriptures, or in the gospels, the epistles of the apostles, the book of Acts that he is married and had children. Thanks.
You Can't do it because Jesus was NEVER a married man!It never say's he took a "dump" either 😲.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 13:16:28 GMT -5
So, can you show me Three places; either in the Old New Testament scriptures, or in the gospels, the epistles of the apostles, the book of Acts that he is married and had children. Thanks.
You Can't do it because Jesus was NEVER a married man! It never say's he took a "dump" either 😲. Christ spoke about the process of taking a "dump" in the bible and we all know what the word "dung" means in the bible right? read your bible atheist...
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 13:24:59 GMT -5
Nothing, nada , so far from scripture or otherwise that would be evidence to make a persuasive “argument “ to change anybody’s belief bias on Jesus marital status . Fair enough Reminds me of a conversation I had with a priest , a friend , who has high position , (very similar to overseer in F&w church group) in the Catholic Church , who of course is “celibate “ I challenged him to show me verses in the Bible to “prove” why celibacy is a requirement for him , as a priest . Oh , he said , there is NO scripture that would require me to not be married . It is simply a discipline of the church and I’m willing to comply with that discipline . That , for myself , was a fair and honest answer , satisfying my question. He , with his original career goal and understanding of being a lawyer , had my respect in that honesty, and interpretation of “the law” he was subjecting himself to - the Catholic Church . I think that would be , likewise , an honest answer for workers . It is not a scriptural “law “ or pattern of discipleship at all, but simply a discipline of out particular church and we feel it has some advantages . Alvin Here is early church fathers teaching on Celibacy: A dictionary of early Christians beliefs by David W. Bercot ~~ (Methodius A.D. 290) Let us inquire as to the reason that none of the patriarchs, prophets, and righteous men, either praised or chose the state of virginity. The reason that is was reserved for the Lord alone to be the first to teach this doctrine. It was fitting that Jesus who was the first and chief of priests, prophets, and angels should also be hailed as the FIRST and chief of VIRGINS. For in the old times, man was not yet perfect. And for this reason, he was unable to receive perfection which is VIRGINITY.~~ (Pierius A.D. 275) " I wish that all men were even as I am." Pierius, when he was expounding and unfolding the meaning of the apostle Paul and purposed to explain these words, added this remark: "In saying this, Paul clearly preaches Celibacy." concerning virginity, we received no commandments. Rather, we have leave it to the power of those who are willing to maintain it as a VOW. It is clear to all, without any doubt, that to care for the things of the Lord and to please God is much better than to please one's wife. (Methoditus A.D. 290) In the Song of songs, to any who is willing to see it, Christ Himself praises those who are firmly established in Virginity, saying, "As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters."Virginity is something supernaturally great, wonderful, and glorious. To speak plainly and in accordance with the Holy Scriptures, this best and noble manner of life is alone the root of immorality-- as well as its flower and first fruits. And for this reason, the Lord promises that those who have made themselves ENUNUCHS shall enter the kingdoms of heaven. Celibacy among humans is a very rare thing and difficult to attain.
It is NOT enough to merely keep the body undefiled but we must care for the souls of men as being the divinities of their bodies. For all of the irrational appetites of a virgin are banished from the body by divine teaching.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 13:27:47 GMT -5
I told you already, Witch. You don't know, or understand and can't SEE the WHOLE picture of God and Christ plan for my life. I didn't fail but according to you I did, I've succeeded beyond my expectation and wildest dreams. God is wiser than men, He knows the future so, people must learn to TRUST Him and His leading.
DON'T judge the book by its cover. The English idiom "don't judge a book by its cover" is a metaphorical phrase that means one shouldn't prejudge the worth or value of something by its outward appearance alone. For example, "That man may look very small/Paul and insignificant, but don't judge a book by its cover – he's a very powerful man in God's circle".
I have accomplished a lot of God's work AFTER I left the work, than when I was a worker. God has blessed me so much, the 100 folds gain that Jesus talked about in Matthew 19.
I'm that's how you see it. How you see is NOT correct and TRUE, as I have given you many examples of it in the past.
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 15:03:13 GMT -5
I'm that's how you see it. How you see is NOT correct and TRUE, as I have given you many examples of it in the past.
I believe Annan sees well enough. You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend.You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. - James 2:20-26 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:20-26&version=NIV
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Post by chuck on Feb 12, 2021 15:04:10 GMT -5
It never say's he took a "dump" either 😲. Christ spoke about the process of taking a "dump" in the bible and we all know what the word "dung" means in the bible right? read your bible atheist... Where wally?.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 15:44:03 GMT -5
How you see is NOT correct and TRUE, as I have given you many examples of it in the past.
I believe Annan sees well enough. You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. - James 2:20-26 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:20-26&version=NIV Do you think you and the Witch KNOW my Testimony and what God has done in my life better than me? You are dreaming, atheist/JW, ex-2x2 or 2x2 non-exclusive.
You know how to post verses but you take them out of context.
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 15:49:24 GMT -5
Christ spoke about the process of taking a "dump" in the bible and we all know what the word "dung" means in the bible right? read your bible atheist... Where wally?. Maybe he is going to the "Dump" but he will be RIGHT back soon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 16:28:21 GMT -5
Christ spoke about the process of taking a "dump" in the bible and we all know what the word "dung" means in the bible right? read your bible atheist... Where wally?. 26 times dung is mentioned in the OT and the NT. we all know what process creates that right?...look it up mat 15 and mar 7 Christ give a brief synopsis of taking a "dump"... read your bible atheist...
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Post by Annan on Feb 12, 2021 16:34:59 GMT -5
I believe Annan sees well enough. You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. - James 2:20-26 www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James2:20-26&version=NIV Do you think you and the Witch KNOW my Testimony and what God has done in my life better than me? You are dreaming, atheist/JW, ex-2x2 or 2x2 non-exclusive.
You know how to post verses but you take them out of context.
I know your testimony here, Nate. Not practicing what you preach negates all the scripture you spout.
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Post by Annan on Feb 12, 2021 16:35:58 GMT -5
26 times dung is mentioned in the OT and the NT. we all know what process creates that right?...look it up mat 15 and mar 7 Christ give a brief synopsis of taking a "dump"... read your bible atheist... It amazes me the things you obsess over.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 16:39:35 GMT -5
26 times dung is mentioned in the OT and the NT. we all know what process creates that right?...look it up mat 15 and mar 7 Christ give a brief synopsis of taking a "dump"... read your bible atheist... It amazes me the things you obsess over. chuck asked a question, should we ignore chuck? or even questions? good try though witch...
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Post by Annan on Feb 12, 2021 16:41:20 GMT -5
It amazes me the things you obsess over. chuck asked a question, should we ignore chuck? or even questions? good try though witch... I love getting under your skin.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 16:45:26 GMT -5
chuck asked a question, should we ignore chuck? or even questions? good try though witch... I love getting under your skin. likewise when atheists and socialist start squirming there is nothing more funny...
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Post by nathan on Feb 12, 2021 16:51:14 GMT -5
Do you think you and the Witch KNOW my Testimony and what God has done in my life better than me? You are dreaming, atheist/JW, ex-2x2 or 2x2 non-exclusive.
You know how to post verses but you take them out of context.
I know your testimony here, Nate. Not practicing what you preach negates all the scripture you spout. You are a lying, socialist/commy witch... we know your testimony too. Casting your evil spell and say I didn't say it so, Prove it.... and I proved to you that you had lied, Witch.
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Post by Annan on Feb 12, 2021 17:05:19 GMT -5
I know your testimony here, Nate. Not practicing what you preach negates all the scripture you spout. You are a lying, socialist/commy witch... we know your testimony too. Casting your evil spell and say I didn't say it so, Prove it.... and I proved you had lied, Witch.
Hahaha... Nope.
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Post by Annan on Feb 12, 2021 17:09:51 GMT -5
I love getting under your skin. likewise when atheists and socialist start squirming there is nothing more funny... I must have selective amnesia as I don't remember those posts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 19:11:15 GMT -5
*** Except you, failed worker. I told you already, Witch. You don't know, or understand and can't SEE the WHOLE picture of God and Christ plan for my life. I didn't fail but according to you I did, I've succeeded beyond my expectation and wildest dreams. God is wiser than men, He knows the future so, people must learn to TRUST Him and His leading.
DON'T judge the book by its cover. The English idiom "don't judge a book by its cover" is a metaphorical phrase that means one shouldn't prejudge the worth or value of something by its outward appearance alone. For example, "That man may look very small/Paul and insignificant, but don't judge a book by its cover – he's a very powerful man in God's circle".
I have accomplished a lot of God's work AFTER I left the work, than when I was a worker. God has blessed me so much, the 100 folds gain that Jesus talked about in Matthew 19.
It's true that we shouldn't judge a book by the cover. The cover of one respected overseer wouldn't ever give a hint of the sister worker he got pregnant, sent to another country, reported she'd been raped shortly after arriving, and left the work to care for her child. Nor would the cover show the elder of the meeting who was excommunicated after observing a strong resemblance between the child and said overseer. The cover shows what the friends need to see. A respected, wise and of course celibate senior worker.
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