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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 0:44:41 GMT -5
its getting close
Buffalo Bills VS Kansas City Chiefs for the AFC title
Tampa Bay Buccaneers VS Green Bay Packers
then after that the Super Bowl...
i'm probably gonna go with Buffalo and Tampa Bay
in 1978 i became a Dallas Cowboys fan(still am, my fav team)so asked my mom for a jacket with their logo on it. something got lost in translation and she bought me a Buffalo Bills jacket instead much to my disappointment. anywho since they were my first official team jacket to ever have i'll probably favor them in the Super Bowl(if they can win the AFC title).
your trivia for the day...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 2:16:47 GMT -5
here we go...
Kansas City 38 Buffalo 24 it really wasn't that close buffalo got smacked...
Tampa Bay 31 Green Bay 26 this was a much more exciting game cause it did look like Green Bay was gonna come back for a brief moment....
so SUPER BOWL 2021 FEB 7th
Kansas City VS Tampa Bay
i'll be rooting for Tampa Bay...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 23:20:17 GMT -5
2021 Super Bowl finish
Tampa Bay 31 Kansas City 9
Tampa Crushed them like a bug...woohoo!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 4:34:41 GMT -5
I cannot understand how Wally can get so enthusiastic about a Football match played on the Lord's day. I do hope he did not watch it on TV, otherwise he will be on his way to Hell with us. Hell no.
How things have changed since our day. Football was evil, never mentioned. I can remember our main daily News Paper used to run a competition during the Football season. They used to print a photo of players during the game and blank out the ball. You used to have to place a cross where you thought the ball was. Us kids used to try and guess where it was and wait to see the result in the next weeks paper. We got caught doing it by a Worker and told not to do it anymore, how sinful it was.
I think it is good that rules have been relaxed, but so much for the same yesterday, today and forever.
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Post by Annan on Feb 8, 2021 6:47:03 GMT -5
I cannot understand how Wally can get so enthusiastic about a Football match played on the Lord's day. I do hope he did not watch it on TV, otherwise he will be on his way to Hell with us. Hell no. How things have changed since our day. Football was evil, never mentioned. I can remember our main daily News Paper used to run a competition during the Football season. They used to print a photo of players during the game and blank out the ball. You used to have to place a cross where you thought the ball was. Us kids used to try and guess where it was and wait to see the result in the next weeks paper. We got caught doing it by a Worker and told not to do it anymore, how sinful it was. I think it is good that rules have been relaxed, but so much for the same yesterday, today and forever. You been around long enough to know that what Waldo says and what Waldo does are two different things. All his posts about movie stars dying make me howl. Like it makes a difference if you get your news on your phone, laptop, or TV. Poor guy needs something to do to fill his lonely hours.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 13:12:55 GMT -5
I cannot understand how Wally can get so enthusiastic about a Football match played on the Lord's day. I do hope he did not watch it on TV, otherwise he will be on his way to Hell with us. Hell no. How things have changed since our day. Football was evil, never mentioned. I can remember our main daily News Paper used to run a competition during the Football season. They used to print a photo of players during the game and blank out the ball. You used to have to place a cross where you thought the ball was. Us kids used to try and guess where it was and wait to see the result in the next weeks paper. We got caught doing it by a Worker and told not to do it anymore, how sinful it was. I think it is good that rules have been relaxed, but so much for the same yesterday, today and forever. well like i've said before the truth down under is one screwed up enterprise and appears to have been that way for a very long time. my mothers parents families came into the truth around 1908ish and 1916ish respectively. they were known for doing the following on the Lords day. carriage rides later car drives, going out to eat, reading a worldly newspaper or a favorite book, doing a favorite hobby, working their farms or jobs, listening to worldly music and later radio, fishing, playing board games, kids would go outside and play sports games and last but not least(hold on to your hairnets)going down to the local park and watching a public movie in the late 40's early 50's. We are not under any OT Sabbath like restrictions of doing absolutely nothing. its been that way since the beginning of the truth in america no rules relaxing required. i listened on the radio and caught the highlights on youtube if you must know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 13:14:23 GMT -5
I cannot understand how Wally can get so enthusiastic about a Football match played on the Lord's day. I do hope he did not watch it on TV, otherwise he will be on his way to Hell with us. Hell no. How things have changed since our day. Football was evil, never mentioned. I can remember our main daily News Paper used to run a competition during the Football season. They used to print a photo of players during the game and blank out the ball. You used to have to place a cross where you thought the ball was. Us kids used to try and guess where it was and wait to see the result in the next weeks paper. We got caught doing it by a Worker and told not to do it anymore, how sinful it was. I think it is good that rules have been relaxed, but so much for the same yesterday, today and forever. You been around long enough to know that what Waldo says and what Waldo does are two different things. All his posts about movie stars dying make me howl. Like it makes a difference if you get your news on your phone, laptop, or TV. Poor guy needs something to do to fill his lonely hours. projection must be your only friend...good try though
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 15:15:46 GMT -5
Think Wally needs to read the rules. They can be found on TTT.
This was Jack Carroll's take on how Sunday should be spent and he was an Overseer in America.
Workers urged, "Don't make Sunday a fun day." Jack Carroll said, "The child of God should spend Sunday in quietness and in rest. Not running around." Jack Carroll asked, "What would you think of a child of God who, on the first day of the week, went fishing or hunting, or to a baseball game, or engaged in other games? Such behavior 'becometh not the Gospel of Christ' " (Hayden Lake, Idaho Convention, June, 1949).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 16:20:50 GMT -5
Think Wally needs to read the rules. They can be found on TTT. This was Jack Carroll's take on how Sunday should be spent and he was an Overseer in America. Workers urged, "Don't make Sunday a fun day." Jack Carroll said, "The child of God should spend Sunday in quietness and in rest. Not running around." Jack Carroll asked, "What would you think of a child of God who, on the first day of the week, went fishing or hunting, or to a baseball game, or engaged in other games? Such behavior 'becometh not the Gospel of Christ' " (Hayden Lake, Idaho Convention, June, 1949). well at first glance it appears he came up with "his take" a bit late, like 44 years late, well after the truth got started in america. meanwhile during those 44 years and after that those in the truth worshipped on the Lords day in the morning did some fun and not so fun things till meeting at night then finished up with some fun and not so fun things later on in the evening. it sounds like to me he attempted to reinstate the OT Sabbath restrictions. we are under no such bondage. i wonder if old Jack ever walked more than 1/2 mile on a sunday at anytime as that was the OT sabbath restriction and using a vehicle instead to get around the "walking restriction" seems a play on a technicality rather than a working of the Spirit.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 8, 2021 19:02:09 GMT -5
Think Wally needs to read the rules. They can be found on TTT. This was Jack Carroll's take on how Sunday should be spent and he was an Overseer in America. Workers urged, "Don't make Sunday a fun day." Jack Carroll said, "The child of God should spend Sunday in quietness and in rest. Not running around." Jack Carroll asked, "What would you think of a child of God who, on the first day of the week, went fishing or hunting, or to a baseball game, or engaged in other games? Such behavior 'becometh not the Gospel of Christ' " (Hayden Lake, Idaho Convention, June, 1949). well at first glance it appears he came up with "his take" a bit late, like 44 years late, well after the truth got started in america. meanwhile during those 44 years and after that those in the truth worshipped on the Lords day in the morning did some fun and not so fun things till meeting at night then finished up with some fun and not so fun things later on in the evening. it sounds like to me he attempted to reinstate the OT Sabbath restrictions. we are under no such bondage. i wonder if old Jack ever walked more than 1/2 mile on a sunday at anytime as that was the OT sabbath restriction and using a vehicle instead to get around the "walking restriction" seems a play on a technicality rather than a working of the Spirit. Wally missed out on a lot of the early-day stuff. It was like that in Washington state too, when the workers got on your case about such things.
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Post by Gene on Feb 8, 2021 20:18:56 GMT -5
I cannot understand how Wally can get so enthusiastic about a Football match played on the Lord's day. I do hope he did not watch it on TV, otherwise he will be on his way to Hell with us. Hell no. How things have changed since our day. Football was evil, never mentioned. I can remember our main daily News Paper used to run a competition during the Football season. They used to print a photo of players during the game and blank out the ball. You used to have to place a cross where you thought the ball was. Us kids used to try and guess where it was and wait to see the result in the next weeks paper. We got caught doing it by a Worker and told not to do it anymore, how sinful it was. I think it is good that rules have been relaxed, but so much for the same yesterday, today and forever. well like i've said before the truth down under is one screwed up enterprise and appears to have been that way for a very long time. my mothers parents families came into the truth around 1908ish and 1916ish respectively. they were known for doing the following on the Lords day. carriage rides later car drives, going out to eat, reading a worldly newspaper or a favorite book, doing a favorite hobby, working their farms or jobs, listening to worldly music and later radio, fishing, playing board games, kids would go outside and play sports games and last but not least(hold on to your hairnets)going down to the local park and watching a public movie in the late 40's early 50's. We are not under any OT Sabbath like restrictions of doing absolutely nothing. its been that way since the beginning of the truth in america no rules relaxing required. i listened on the radio and caught the highlights on youtube if you must know. That family always were weak Saints. Just kidding . I knew them - they were bedrock, salt of the Earth people. Joann was one of my favorite workers when I was a kid. Henry, too, although we only knew him from convention or special meeting home visits. He seemed to have a lot of class. Not to mention I'm related to some of them
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 20:28:40 GMT -5
That is what confuses me about Wally. Most of the time he comes across as an exclusive 2x2 1900 style. With his abstinence of TV, Sex, Drink, etc he fits that mould. Then he posts about Football, Films, Music Legends, etc, which of course an exclusive 2x2 would never mention. Their take would be Jesus never done that, nor will we.
As you say Bob Wally missed out on some of that early day stuff that we had to endure. We left in 1967 and rules were starting to be relaxed and we saw non-exclusives starting to emerge. And that is to be expected, Religion evolves the same as everything else. It has to because of Social change, which has a big influence on it. There is no way you could keep it going the way it was 2000 years ago. That is just a nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 20:51:50 GMT -5
That is what confuses me about Wally. Most of the time he comes across as an exclusive 2x2 1900 style. With his abstinence of TV, Sex, Drink, etc he fits that mould. Then he posts about Football, Films, Music Legends, etc, which of course an exclusive 2x2 would never mention. Their take would be Jesus never done that, nor will we. As you say Bob Wally missed out on some of that early day stuff that we had to endure. We left in 1967 and rules were starting to be relaxed and we saw non-exclusives starting to emerge. And that is to be expected, Religion evolves the same as everything else. It has to because of Social change, which has a big influence on it. There is no way you could keep it going the way it was 2000 years ago. That is just a nonsense. i've never heard of relating knowledge about things or past experiences with things were verboten in the truth AKA a testimony or part of a testimony, when and where pray tell did that happen/get handed down and do you have a verse for that? i do know that in the SE US sports were forbidden but it was not so in the PNW, so i am good...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 21:16:42 GMT -5
Well aware that the rules are very flexible now. Not so in our day, it was straight down the line, or you were out the door. Better not to have rules, only confuses. Our management just used the tough ones that made life miserable for us. Much better to make your own rules.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 21:40:05 GMT -5
Well aware that the rules are very flexible now. Not so in our day, it was straight down the line, or you were out the door. Better not to have rules, only confuses. Our management just used the tough ones that made life miserable for us. Much better to make your own rules. well i am not sure that is the point either nor a desired outcome lest we have 2.2 billion Christian denominations instead of the current 50,000 if implemented. in my 41 years in and out of the truth i really haven't seen many official rule changes. i can really only think of 2 off the top of my head cell phones and laptops for workers...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 22:59:39 GMT -5
Us older ones do know the rules introduced by William Irvine and his 12 cohort mates have changed whether you want to accept it or not. Not a bad thing, allows people to live normal lives. But you have to wonder why the rules were put there in the first place. If your spiritual attitude is moral, then your day to day behaviour will also be upright.
Be at peace with God, whatever YOU conceive God to be. Once you find that, everything else takes care of itself.
To refresh Wally's memory the rules we had to adhere to.
Unwritten Rules for the Friends
1. HAIR FEMALES: Women/girls shall wear their hair long. Women to wear their hair up on their heads, and not hanging down loose, preferably with no bangs/fringes. Some do not ever cut/trim their hair. MEN: Shall wear their hair short (no pony tails tolerated) and ideally, will not wear facial hair. AREA VARIANCES: More and more men are wearing mustaches and beards; some women are wearing their hair down and adopting short hairstyles regardless of the unwritten rule.
2. JEWELRY PROHIBITED: Necklaces, bracelets, earrings, rings--except wedding bands PERMISSIBLE: watches, wedding bands, hair jewelry, tie tacks, cuff links AREA VARIANCES: Class rings, engagements rings; pins/brooches allowed in some areas.
3. COSMETICS & TATTOOS IDEALLY: No artificial means of any kind to enhance appearance, ESPECIALLY colored eye shadow, colored nail polish, lipstick, hair coloring. No tatoos. AREA VARIANCES: Some wear clear nail polish; french manicures, light make-up. NOTE: Some had tattoos before they professed.
4. APPAREL TABOOS FEMALES: Not to wear slacks/shorts; sleeveless dresses/blouses; short skirts, low necklines, or sundresses. Not to follow fashion trends, and stay a good distance behind the styles “of the world.” IDEAL: Dress modestly MALES: No articles of clothing prohibited. Many men do not wear shorts. AREA VARIANCES: Slacks semi-OK when required to protect modesty in a special activity. Some old-timers believe any activity that would render a woman in a dress to be immodest should be avoided. Women on horseback permitted to wear slacks. Some areas: no red or white shoes; no sandals; no bare legs
5. DANCING and MOVIES AREA VARIANCES: Many rent movies and see them through their Computer monitors or VCRS; Some areas permit attending musicals, plays
6. RECREATION & SWIMMING: PREFERRED: Mixed sex bathing/swimming once discouraged, now becoming more common. AREA VARIANCES: In some places, women are prohibited from wearing swimsuits, and pin their dresses between their legs and only swim in very private waters. Some Hawaiian, Australian and New Zealand friends wear bikinis. GAMES: Ggames using playing cards or games with dice, which could be mistaken for gambling are discouraged.
7. PARTICIPATION IN SPORTS & BANDS PREFERRED: No participation in or attendance at organized sports events. AREA VARIANCES: Soccer participation allowed in some areas. Golf frowned upon in some areas.
8. SMOKING PREFERRED: No tobacco/pot smoking of any kinds; no cigarettes, cigars, pipes or chewing tobacco AREA VARIANCES: NONE!
9. DRINKING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IDEAL: No alcoholic beverages imbibed (including wine) in the USA, however, some American friends serve/drink wine with some meals. AREA VARIANCES: In Europe, beer and wine are drunk, but never spirits; however, that even varies from country to country. Wine is even served at Special Meetings by the workers.
10. TELEVISION PREFERRED: Not to own or allow a TV in one’s home AREA VARIANCES: Divided homes given leeway. If workers learn a TV is in the homes, a meeting will not be placed there; or a meeting may be removed for this reason.
11. MUSIC (radios, stereos, concerts) PREFERRED: No recorded music of any kind, but playing of instruments encouraged. AREA VARIANCES: Radios and stereos used in many places. Some areas only permitted to play hymns on instruments (especially on Sundays)
12. HOLIDAYS (Christmas & Easter) PREFERRED: Christmas and Easter are not observed as religious holidays. Many friends do not observe the standard, traditional customs of their culture associated with these holidays (no gifts, cards, decorations, special meals, etc.) AREA VARIANCES: Many exchange gifts and Christmas cards. Some put up decorations and trees (Xmas trees used in New Zealand) Many parents of small children decorate trees, hold Easter egg hunts. Practices vary considerably. Recommended that parents "be wise" with children in this regard.
13. VOTING IN NATION'S ELECTIONS PREFERRED IN SOME AREAS: Not to Vote. (God is in charge of who becomes a leader/ruler) AREA VARIANCES: Lenience or no instructions given either way in some areas
14. GAMBLING - TABOO AREA VARIANCES: Many friends have visited Reno or Las Vegas and participated in gambling, usually as a one-time fun activity. Avoid using word "lucky," as its a gambling term.
15. OCCUPATIONS DISCOURAGED: Professions requiring carrying armed weapons; involving entertainment world, such as playing a musical instrument or in a band; sports; hairdressers for women; cosmetologists; vocalists, broadcasters.
16. SERVING IN ARMED SERVICES: IN WAR TIME: Choose Status of Conscientious Objector where one does not bear arms. IN PEACE: Some join armed services as a profession--some to obtain special training and education they offer, who could not otherwise afford same.
17. SWEARING PROHIBITED: Not to take the Lord's Name in Vain AREA VARIANCES: Slang, even "darn" or "gosh" are considered foul language by some.
18. CHRISTIAN SYMBOLS PROHIBITED: Christian symbols are not to be displayed on one's body or in one's home, such as the cross, dove, fish, or pictures of Jesus or Scripture, large coffee-table Bibles. Religious greeting cards are not used.
19. MARRIAGE: Going into the work is the highest choice for one's life. Highly discourage marriage to Outsiders. Expected to marry someone within the group. NO SEX before or outside of marriage. AREA VARIANCES: Some are asked to quit taking part if they marry an outsider. A marriage between and Insider and outsider is termed a "divided home."
20. REMARRIAGE: Permissible when prior spouse is deceased. AFTER DIVORCE: PROHIBITED--considered adultery. AREA VARIANCES: In some areas after remarriage, participation in meetings and emblems denied to parties. In some cases, participation allowed, provided divorce took place BEFORE the person professed; allowed in some cases/areas AFTER some amount of time has elapsed. Customs VARY CONSIDERABLY in the USA, largely depending on the Overseer's preferences. Colorado takes a non-judgmental stand. Other countries tend to be more strict.
21. SUNDAY To be Day of Rest. No working on Sunday. Many recreational activities curtailed on Sunday. NO swimming, fishing, attending recreational parks, working of any kind, sewing, washing hair, clothes or cars, gardening, mowing lawn, changing oil in car, housecleaning, shopping, etc. AREA VARIANCES: Some essential occupations exempted, such as dairy farming, nursing, etc.
22. BAPTISM REQUIRED in order to go to Heaven. Failure to observe some of the above Rules has caused some to be denied the rite of Baptism and Communion.
23. MEETINGS and CONVENTIONS IDEAL: Attend all meetings in your area unless ill. Attend one full convention in your area per year; attending several conventions encouraged. Use King James Version of the Bible primarily; use of other translations becoming more common. Do not read/use any outside Christian books/material, except for a Concordance and Bible Atlas. AREA VARIANCES: Men to wear ties to Sunday morning meetings.
EXCOMMUNICATION: . The regional Overseers of an area maintain absolute authority over all under their jurisdiction. Decisions made by that Overseer regarding those under his jurisdiction are neither reviewable nor changeable by any other Overseer; unless that Overseer has an Overseer over him. For the excommunicated person, there is no means of appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 23:14:41 GMT -5
Us older ones do know the rules introduced by William Irvine and his 12 cohort mates have changed whether you want to accept it or not. Not a bad thing, allows people to live normal lives. But you have to wonder why the rules were put there in the first place. If your spiritual attitude is moral, then your day to day behaviour will also be upright. Be at peace with God, whatever YOU conceive God to be. Once you find that, everything else takes care of itself. this may be an australia version vs america version thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 0:11:16 GMT -5
Sorry Wally the other way round. More American than Australian, from the TTT site. They are pretty much the original rules made by WI and his mates. From their origination in Scotland they were taken to the rest of the World. Very hard to change History, you are stuck with it.
Also remember that Jack and Bill Carroll were very close Brothers and they were part of the original team. They took with them from Scotland the same set of rules, Jack to America, Bill to Australia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 4:18:25 GMT -5
Sorry Wally the other way round. More American than Australian, from the TTT site. They are pretty much the original rules made by WI and his mates. From their origination in Scotland they were taken to the rest of the World. Very hard to change History, you are stuck with it. Also remember that Jack and Bill Carroll were very close Brothers and they were part of the original team. They took with them from Scotland the same set of rules, Jack to America, Bill to Australia. i think i will go with the very real history of my mothers people testimonies who were almost at the beginning of the truths start in america and what they did or didn't do by the "rules" and my 41 year observations rather than your interpretations or the TTT website...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 4:38:33 GMT -5
Good on you Wally, you are the spin King on TMB. An OB like me is no match for your skills. I think you will find a lot of good effort has gone into TTT, the content is pretty accurate. It is the best reference source we have, because 2x2's have always been notorious for failing to document anything. That way they can't be held accountable. Good way to dodge any issues.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 4:46:43 GMT -5
Good on you Wally, you are the spin King on TMB. An OB like me is no match for your skills. I think you will find a lot of good effort has gone into TTT, the content is pretty accurate. It is the best reference source we have, because 2x2's have always been notorious for failing to document anything. That way they can't be held accountable. Good way to dodge any issues. sorry that title belongs to bob or dmmichgood or you i'll never be able to overtake all of you at the pace you all are going...
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Post by shushy on Feb 9, 2021 15:18:43 GMT -5
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Post by fred on Feb 9, 2021 19:37:50 GMT -5
Good on you Wally, you are the spin King on TMB. An OB like me is no match for your skills. I think you will find a lot of good effort has gone into TTT, the content is pretty accurate. It is the best reference source we have, because 2x2's have always been notorious for failing to document anything. That way they can't be held accountable. Good way to dodge any issues. You nailed it with that list RB. There is nothing there that I could disagree with, perhaps even adding some more. The interesting part is in the response to those suggestions (rules) by different families - there must have been considerable cognitive dissonance in some households. I have heard some more recently say that this was only guidance / advice, yet when there are consequences involved I would beg to differ.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 20:01:01 GMT -5
wow i don't get surprised that often. who would have thought mentioning the super bowl would bring a CSA response... after reading the ugly article though i am quite relieved to find that no one was actually CSA'd AT the super bowl. the article appears to be calling out CSA worldwide going on WHILE the super bowl was happening...
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 9, 2021 21:09:18 GMT -5
Good on you Wally, you are the spin King on TMB. An OB like me is no match for your skills. I think you will find a lot of good effort has gone into TTT, the content is pretty accurate. It is the best reference source we have, because 2x2's have always been notorious for failing to document anything. That way they can't be held accountable. Good way to dodge any issues. sorry that title belongs to bob or dmmichgood or you i'll never be able to overtake all of you at the pace you all are going... I hope there isn't too much dust in our wake.
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Post by shushy on Feb 10, 2021 4:18:30 GMT -5
wow i don't get surprised that often. who would have thought mentioning the super bowl would bring a CSA response... after reading the ugly article though i am quite relieved to find that no one was actually CSA'd AT the super bowl. the article appears to be calling out CSA worldwide going on WHILE the super bowl was happening... Prior to the superbowl I was told there would be the military fly over Afterwards I was shown as series of videos using subluminal messaging Did you see it Wally..I am unable to send it here
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 11:36:50 GMT -5
wow i don't get surprised that often. who would have thought mentioning the super bowl would bring a CSA response... after reading the ugly article though i am quite relieved to find that no one was actually CSA'd AT the super bowl. the article appears to be calling out CSA worldwide going on WHILE the super bowl was happening... Prior to the superbowl I was told there would be the military fly over Afterwards I was shown as series of videos using subluminal messaging Did you see it Wally..I am unable to send it here i listened on the radio and caught some youtube replays, so no...
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